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Sec. of State Condoleeza Rice gives stern challenge to Saudis, Eqypt.

Eutrusca
21-06-2005, 15:02
NOTE: A number of people on here have criticized the Bush Administration for not pressing some of our ... less democratic allies to move toward democracy. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice has now done so, as the article below indicates. What now are your criticisms?


Rice Urges Egyptians and Saudis to Democratize (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/international/middleeast/21rice.html?th&emc=th)


By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
Published: June 21, 2005

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, Tuesday, June 21 - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, delivering a challenge to the United States' closest allies in the Arab world, called on Egypt and Saudi Arabia on Monday to embrace democracy by holding fair elections, releasing political prisoners and allowing free expression and rights for women.

"For 60 years, my country, the United States, pursued stability at the expense of democracy in this region here in the Middle East, and we achieved neither," Ms. Rice declared at the American University in Cairo. "Now we are taking a different course. We are supporting the democratic aspirations of all people."

Praising President Hosni Mubarak for taking some "encouraging" first steps toward democracy, she said Egypt's elections "must meet objective standards that define every free election," including freedom of assembly, speech and press.

As for Saudi Arabia, where Ms. Rice flew after speaking in Egypt, she said that "brave citizens are demanding accountability from their government" and that "many people pay an unfair price for exercising their basic rights."

She praised "some first steps toward openness" in the holding of municipal elections. But she condemned depriving women of the right to vote and the arrests of some dissidents.

Ms. Rice's appeal, some of the toughest talk in the Arab world from a secretary of state, drew a mixed reaction, including criticism from Egyptian opposition groups demanding an even harder line. On the other hand, the Egyptian foreign minister, dismissing her comments, said Egypt's planned elections were already going to be free and fair.

Some of the 600 listeners at the university complained that her call for freedom was undercut by American indifference to Israeli "war crimes," mistreatment of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and Abu Ghraib and the continuing violence in Iraq.

The criticism was similar to what erupted last month after Laura Bush praised Mr. Mubarak for taking a "bold step" in planning multiparty elections, even as protesters were being arrested and opposition groups complained about election requirements barring independent candidates.

"We were shocked at the statements made," Hany Enan, one of the founders of an Egyptian movement demanding that Mr. Mubarak step down, said of Ms. Rice's remarks. She added, "I don't think the content of her remarks met the expectations of the people or the opposition."

Officials traveling with Ms. Rice said they were prepared for such criticism. "Most of the region's leaders won't like what they hear, and most people will resent it," one American official said on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to prejudge Arab reaction. "But in the long run, her speech will make people think about the problem."

The reaction illustrated the quandary that the Bush administration faced in navigating the demands for sweeping changes and a desire not to offend close allies or to apply separate benchmarks to different countries, depending on their status as friends.

Ms. Rice criticized Egypt and Saudi Arabia for intimidating or locking up protesters, for example. She also met with Ayman Nour, a Parliament member whose arrest this year prompted the secretary to cancel a visit to Egypt. But she did not meet with leaders of the outlawed Islamist organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood, though it is probably the most popular opposition group.

"Egypt has its laws, it has its rule of law, and I'll respect that," Ms. Rice said, explaining the decision not to meet with the Brotherhood.

In her speech, she assailed Syria as a police state, and then Iran, where the election for president on Friday got no praise even though it has been more competitive than Egypt's is likely to be. "The appearance of elections does not mask the organized cruelty of Iran's theocratic state," she said.

Her criticism of Egypt, by contrast, came in a conciliatory tone, accompanied by reminders that the United States has its own history of slavery and racism. "The United States has no cause for false pride, and we have every reason for humility," she added.

In Riyadh, her remarks in Cairo received a curt reaction from Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, who dismissed her appeal for the release of the dissidents. "They have broken the law," Prince Saud said at a post-midnight news conference with Ms. Rice, adding that Saudi Arabia would use its own judgment of what changes were best.

Ms. Rice's speech had been billed in advance as a bold change for the United States. "This is a great region of the world, the cradle of civilization," she implored her audience. Noting that the entire region of 22 countries had a collective economy the size of Spain's, she added:

"How can that be the case? It certainly isn't anything about the intelligence of the Arab people. It certainly isn't anything about their aspirations. It's about the absence of freedom and the absence of liberty."

Even critics of the American administration say the increasing calls by President Bush for democracy have helped inspire the Egyptian movement known as Kifaya, or Enough, which calls for Mr. Mubarak to step down. He has served since 1981 without ever being challenged in an election.

Under pressure, Mr. Mubarak in February announced the first Egyptian election for president in which candidates will be able to run, but the National Assembly dominated by his National Democratic Party has been moving toward erecting an array of barriers against candidates outside its influence.

When Ms. Rice raised those problems at a news conference with the Egyptian foreign minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, she got what appeared to be an airy rebuff.

"Who would object to fair, transparent elections?" Mr. Gheit said, turning to the secretary. "Everybody wants fair, transparent elections. And it will be so, I assure you."

In another awkward exchange, Mr. Gheit reminded Ms. Rice that he had told her earlier that without "a settlement for the Palestinian problem," little could be done. "That is crucial!" he added.

Ms. Rice, who traveled to Egypt from Jordan and Israel, where she had sought to coax the Israelis and Palestinians toward a solution, retorted with a smile, "That's what we're working on."
Portu Cale MK3
21-06-2005, 15:09
There is none. She has done the right thing, what the US administrations should have done years ago. Offcourse, she has a slight handicap, she belongs to a nation that invaded an arab country, so whatever she says, won't be considered friendly or sincere, to the Arab people.
Greenlander
21-06-2005, 15:11
First, I now understand why Bush picked her, Condoleezza rocks.

Second, you forgot to mention that she finally 'fixed' her hair :p :D
[NS]Ihatevacations
21-06-2005, 15:20
Again, I repeat what I did in the other topic

Rice goes to some country, gives some speech about democracy, people applaud, she shakes hands, people promsie to change, they make an apponitment same time next year, she goes home and everything goes back to the way it was

Just the usual song and dance
Laerod
21-06-2005, 15:22
First, I now understand why Bush picked her, Condoleezza rocks.
She doesn't "rock" she just does exactly what Bush tells her to. I admire that the administration is criticizing its Allies, but I wish it was out of real concern and not to establish international credibility.
Eutrusca
21-06-2005, 15:22
First, I now understand why Bush picked her, Condoleezza rocks.

Second, you forgot to mention that she finally 'fixed' her hair :p :D
Heh! Sorry, I don't usually notice things like that about the Secretary of State. :p
Eutrusca
21-06-2005, 15:23
She doesn't "rock" she just does exactly what Bush tells her to. I admire that the administration is criticizing its Allies, but I wish it was out of real concern and not to establish international credibility.
I think it is out of "real concern," but only history will be able to judge that.
Eutrusca
21-06-2005, 15:24
Ihatevacations']Again, I repeat what I did in the other topic

Rice goes to some country, gives some speech about democracy, people applaud, she shakes hands, people promsie to change, they make an apponitment same time next year, she goes home and everything goes back to the way it was

Just the usual song and dance
That's a rather cynical view, don't you think? Not too surprising though, since politicos are notorious for saying what they think people want to hear. As I indicate above, history will have to judge.
[NS]Ihatevacations
21-06-2005, 15:26
That's a rather cynical view, don't you think?
It has always paid off
Eutrusca
21-06-2005, 15:27
There is none. She has done the right thing, what the US administrations should have done years ago. Of course, she has a slight handicap, she belongs to a nation that invaded an arab country, so whatever she says, won't be considered friendly or sincere, to the Arab people.
Well, the article seems to indicate that they are, in fact, listening and taking heed. And I agree that the US should have been doing this all along, but we were so obsessed with the USSR and communism in general that we adopted the saw about "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and didn't look sufficiently far ahead. Our bad.
Ekland
21-06-2005, 15:31
Ihatevacations']It has always paid off

Cynicism IS the intellectual cripples substitute for intelligence you know.
[NS]Ihatevacations
21-06-2005, 15:34
Cynicism IS the intellectual cripples substitute for intelligence you know.
Next time you want to insult me, learn the use of the apostrophe
Randomlittleisland
21-06-2005, 16:50
To slightly misquote Hans Blix in Team America: "Embrace democracy now or America will be unhappy and will send you a letter saying how unhappy they are." :rolleyes:

Oh and America's involvement has been known to backfire. Before 9/11 Iran was getting more moderate but then Bush accused them of being evil (understandable I guess) and this generated so much resentment that power shifted back towards the hardliners. 'Let freedom reign'?
Dobbsworld
21-06-2005, 17:44
NOTE: A number of people on here have criticized the Bush Administration for not pressing some of our ... less democratic allies to move toward democracy.

Like who? I don't recall a number of people on here criticizing the Bush Administration for not pressing non-democratic regimes to adopt democratic reforms.

Got any links to back up this supposition of yours Eutrusca?
Xanaz
21-06-2005, 17:47
Arggghhhh no more articles please! Or keep it to one a week or something. I'm sure we'd rather read your opinions and use the article to quote from to back up your opinions. But if I want to read the news, I go to a news site.

Not meant as a dig, it's just it seems that's what 99% of your threads are, other people's words, I'd prefer to read yours.
Swimmingpool
21-06-2005, 19:24
Rice's words are good. Let's hope action follows.
Aryavartha
21-06-2005, 19:57
Rice's speech was good.

It was nice to see a Black Woman dressed up in pants and without her head covered (All non-muslim women have to cover their heads in KSA) , shake hands with the Prince and proceed to give that speech.

Arab elites in general (from what I have seen, heard and read) are quite racist towards blacks (ex Darfur ) and misogynistic.


But let's hope that the Bush adm walks the talk.