NationStates Jolt Archive

What're the requirements to being a soveirgn nation? Could I simply plant myself in the ground, stick a flag on me, and declare independence from the United States?

Try it. Then we'll see.
You might have to fight a war of independence though to capture some American territory.

Try it. Then we'll see.
You might have to fight a war of independence though to capture some American territory.
My backyard will do quite nicely.

I wish.

Unfortunatly, you can't. It has something to do with A. You need a plot of land and B. All plots of land technically belong to the United States. You'd have to declare independence, and then you'd prolly get hauled off to jail for passing out your countries illegal tender, or not paying Taxes to the U.S. government.

Generally you have to be recognized by other nations to be considered sovereign. But I think that's BS. Freedom, I say! I salute you, comrade!

I wonder if Rand McNally will recognize my sponsorship of your nation. I should write them an angry letter demanding to know why I can't find you on the map!

Come to Texas. Supposedly we're the only state that can leagally secede from the union, or something.

I'm sure you could find enough crazy people to support you. After all, we did crank out our current President.

I wish.

Unfortunatly, you can't. It has something to do with A. You need a plot of land and B. All plots of land technically belong to the United States. You'd have to declare independence, and then you'd prolly get hauled off to jail for passing out your countries illegal tender, or not paying Taxes to the U.S. government.
Define land.

*buries self into ground with only head sticking out*

I'm the nation of Colodia! I declare independence from the United States and the State of California!

Define land.

*buries self into ground with only head sticking out*

I'm the nation of Colodia! I declare independence from the United States and the State of California!
Governator says: "Asta la vista, Baby!"

*runs you over with a Hummer*

Governator says: "Asta la vista, Baby!"

*runs you over with a Hummer*
States aren't allowed to declare war. Ha, Governor just asked for his own impeachment and a visit from President Bush and the entire armed forces of the United States!

Just for running Colodia over!

-snip-
But then again, he is a cybernetic super robot and good at killing things.

Good luck. I hope you suceed like Peter Griffin in Family Guy. Then you can Invade your neighbor's land. I wish I could do that, but I'm afraid that the US wil be stupid enough to launch and ICBM.

States aren't allowed to declare war. Ha, Governor just asked for his own impeachment and a visit from President Bush and the entire armed forces of the United States!

Just for running Colodia over!

You could "accidentally" find a omission of your home in the recognized map of your territory.

Ah, Family Guy. What won't you teach us in your infinite wisdom?

PS--name it Petoria and I shall fund your attempts.

Good luck. I hope you suceed like Peter Griffin in Family Guy. Then you can Invade your neighbor's land. I wish I could do that, but I'm afraid that the US wil be stupid enough to launch and ICBM.
*ponders that*

But my neighbors are black so it could be considered genocide. Last thing I need on my record is to be condemned by the United Nations at age 15.

I think I read somewhere that the Civil war was fought not because the South ceceded (sp?), but because they did so in an improper way other than the one allowed by the Constitution. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? If it's true, then what's the legal way?

I'll contribute to you weapons stockpiles:

3 sticks
1 butterknife
1 pencil
2 waterguns


Nothing scares the military more than semi- sharp pointy objects and water.

*ponders that*

But my neighbors are black so it could be considered genocide. Last thing I need on my record is to be condemned by the United Nations at age 15.

*blink* Woah. You're fifteen? I must say, you act quite mature for one of your age. Kudos for your unintentional(?) attempt at fooling me into believing otherwise.
*gives cookie and gives a gentleman's bow*

I think I read somewhere that the Civil war was fought not because the South ceceded (sp?), but because they did so in an improper way other than the one allowed by the Constitution. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? If it's true, then what's the legal way?
Disproved. See: Slavery, States Rights, Random Redneck Southerner.

This is making me laugh quite heartily.

*blink* Woah. You're fifteen? I must say, you act quite mature for one of your age. Kudos for your unintentional(?) attempt at fooling me into believing otherwise.
*gives cookie and gives a gentleman's bow*
Actually I'm 14, I'll be 15 next month. I just figured by the time I get around to declaring independence, I'd be about 15.

Thanks for the cookie though! *munches*

This is making me laugh quite heartily.
Made it worth it.

I'll contribute to you weapons stockpiles:

3 sticks
1 butterknife
1 pencil
2 waterguns


Nothing scares the military more than semi- sharp pointy objects and water.

I thought stuffed animals would do quite nicely also...

Nothing to scare the enemy into surrendering like an incoming plushie.

Disproved. See: Slavery, States Rights, Random Redneck Southerner.
I did a paper on the Civil war in 7th grade. It was definitely not about slavery, because slaves were legal in the North too. Random Redneck Southerner is not relevant. States Rights maybe, but if so, I'd like to see some reputable source(s) and/or elaboration. If you don't know what you're talking about, just ignore my posts.

Irishman's contribution:

2 overstuffed plushies. :fluffle:

I thought stuffed animals would do quite nicely also...

Nothing to scare the enemy into surrendering like an incoming plushie.
I have a Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD I could chuck at any radio-controlled airplane.

I think you need 300 acres of land and at least 70 people.

I would be more than willing to join you in your quest for independence.

I thought you said you were leaving and never coming back three months ago?

Actually I'm 14, I'll be 15 next month. I just figured by the time I get around to declaring independence, I'd be about 15.

Thanks for the cookie though! *munches*

I must say that you have impeccable grammar for a 14 year-old internet user. In a time when "1 4M U83R 7331!!111!!!One!" is rampant everwhere. You are a gentlemen and a scholar. I salute you. You make America proud! Except for the whole ceceding thing and all.

I think you need 300 acres of land and at least 70 people.

I would be more than willing to join you in your quest for independence.

I thought you said you were leaving and never coming back three months ago?
Didn't we have this talk earlier? I got BORED over Spring Break! :)

I have a Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD I could chuck at any radio-controlled airplane.
Oddly enough, I have a friend who is building a large remote controlled airplane, and he plans to make it able to launch a model rocket while in flight. I'm not sure how he plans to keep the plane in the air after launching the rocket, but he says he has a plan.

There are seriously plots of land on the moon for sale. I forget what the website was where you can buy them, but buy a bunch of land and when science advances to the point where people can live on the moon you can move there and begin your country.

Actually I'm 14, I'll be 15 next month. I just figured by the time I get around to declaring independence, I'd be about 15.

Thanks for the cookie though! *munches*

Then all the more respect to you.

Although, I do admit I received some of the same kinds of comments at your age. I'm still getting some people believing me to be older--although I think it may be more my appearance than anything else. I'm 19 (just today--Happy Birthday me!) and I've been mistaken for my professor one time. O.o

I must say that you have impeccable grammar for a 14 year-old internet user. In a time when "1 4M U83R 7331!!111!!!One!" is rampant everwhere. You are a gentlemen and a scholar. I salute you. You make America proud! Except for the whole ceceding thing and all.
Ha, thanks. I didn't even know I was doing that well.

I wish.

Unfortunatly, you can't. It has something to do with A. You need a plot of land and B. All plots of land technically belong to the United States. You'd have to declare independence, and then you'd prolly get hauled off to jail for passing out your countries illegal tender, or not paying Taxes to the U.S. government.

Didn't that actually happen with one of those survivalist militias a few years back? They tried to pay their electric bill with their own currency and got arrested.

What you can do is get obscenely rich and buy an island from some developing nation with a loose cessation policy. Whenever you hear about some rich guys "private island" that's what he did.

Didn't we have this talk earlier? I got BORED over Spring Break! :)
but is it still spring break? :D

but is it still spring break? :D

Besides, it's summer break now! (And they cancelled waterpolo practice)

but is it still spring break? :D
It's June 21, the first day of Summer. Any school that is still on spring break should be burned to the ground.

Besides, it's summer break now! (And they cancelled waterpolo practice)
heh, well you still got my support

I can see it now...

CNN logo, annoying music:

Today, the United States was forced to surrender to Colodia. At first the United States was forecast to crush Colodia into the dirt, and spit on it's grave, but after the first plane went down to Fahrenheit 9/11, and the first ten men taken out by a brigade of Care Bear dolls armed with Supersoakers and spoons; the U.S. decided that Operation:Take Out the Teenager wasn't feasable, economically speaking. The War cost three band-aids and a bolt, along with the mental anguish caused by watching our brave fighting men and women being "spooned" into submission by plushies.

The U.S. now officially recognizes Colodia's sovereignity. Peace talks are expected to conclude on Thursday, after which trade agreements will be made.

I can see it now...

CNN logo, annoying music:

Today, the United States was forced to surrender to Colodia. At first the United States was forecast to crush Colodia into the dirt, and spit on it's grave, but after the first plane went down to Fahrenheit 9/11, and the first ten men taken out by a brigade of Care Bear dolls armed with Supersoakers and spoons; the U.S. decided that Operation:Take Out the Teenager wasn't feasable, economically speaking. The War cost three band-aids and a bolt, along with the mental anguish caused by watching our brave fighting men and women being "spooned" into submission by plushies.

The U.S. now officially recognizes Colodia's sovereignity. Peace talks are expected to conclude on Thursday, after which trade agreements will be made.
I had a good laugh. :D

Well, I am planning on doing this. I figure that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island would be interesting to take over in the name of House Onamatutopia.

Well, I am planning on doing this. I figure that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island would be interesting to take over in the name of House Onamatutopia.
If you were trying to say Onamatopoeia, it's spelled either "onamatopoeia" or "onomatopoeia". I've seen both. If you weren't, then I'm sorry I bothered you.

It worked for those Florida Islands with the big bridge.

It worked for the Confederacy.........Oh woops

It worked for Peter Griffen! :p

The website to buy land on the moon is http://www.lunarregistry.com/?source=gmoon
Maybe I'll buy an acre myself. 20 bucks isn't bad.

What're the requirements to being a soveirgn nation? Could I simply plant myself in the ground, stick a flag on me, and declare independence from the United States?
You're already sovereign, insofar as you choose, every minute of your life, whether to obey or disobey the laws that society applies to you. However, just as larger sovereign nations do, you belong to a community that has it's own opinions about what you should and should not be allowed to do with your sovereignty, and will use force to get you to comply if you step out of line enough.
As for being a nation, well, that's just a matter of having land that isn't owned by some other nation. Antarctica, the Moon, or Mars would be good places to start.

The website to buy land on the moon is http://www.lunarregistry.com/?source=gmoon
Maybe I'll buy an acre myself. 20 bucks isn't bad.
Wow! That thing actually looks credible! I think I'll buy some land too. By the time I retire, it might even be conceivable for me to actually go to my property and retire there. That would be much better than staying here on Earth.

Good luck enforcing your claims though. There are currently no property laws regarding the moon other than the one that prevents nations/individuals/corporations from claiming it.

And as far as I know, that act hasn't been repealed yet.

Good luck enforcing your claims though. There are currently no property laws regarding the moon other than the one that prevents nations/individuals/corporations from claiming it.

And as far as I know, that act hasn't been repealed yet.
The website claims to have authority either directly or indirectly granted by the UN, and they cite official UN documents whose veracity is fairly easily to corroborate. Anyway, if I can't enforce my claim, it's only about $20-$30 that I would have lost, and I can sue the website for false advertisement of their "product".

Good luck enforcing your claims though. There are currently no property laws regarding the moon other than the one that prevents nations/individuals/corporations from claiming it.

And as far as I know, that act hasn't been repealed yet.

There are many international treaties that say that the Moon belongs to everyone - thus, no-one.

And no matter how many peices of paper you own down here that say you own so and so plot up there, it wouldn't hold air up on the moon. Finders keepers, Homestead Act all over again.

I think I read somewhere that the Civil war was fought not because the South ceceded (sp?), but because they did so in an improper way other than the one allowed by the Constitution. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? If it's true, then what's the legal way?

There IS no legal way for a state of remove itself from the United States. Except Texas, because it was its own Republic prior to being annexed.

That was the final straw in the battle between States Rights and Federal Authority, which was the main reason for the civil war - which can be traced back to the Revolutionary War (In which the war was mainly a Northern thing), and the fact that originally, the SOUTH was dominating the early US due to its larger (Slave-based) population. The North tried to seccede, but failed.

And Slavery wasn't legal in the North. That was a big problem for admiting new states, because they had to maintain an even ratio between Slave and Free states. Look up 'Bloody Kansas' somtime.

However, the leaders of the South were idiots who didn't realise that Lincoln was a freaking MODERATE. Sure, we know him as the Great Emancipator, but the Emancipation Proclomation only applied to states in Rebellion (Thus, not threatening Maryland and the other 'Southern' state that stayed with the North) and was issued after (Gettysburg?) to gain the moral upper hand in the war, and help keep England and France (who both almost got involved in the Civil War) out of it - they were dealing with their own slavery issues.

There is no mention of Redneck Hick.

But, except for maybe Texas, any State that tries to leave the Union is officially in Rebellion against the Federal Government, and thus in a state of civil war.

There are many international treaties that say that the Moon belongs to everyone - thus, no-one.

And no matter how many peices of paper you own down here that say you own so and so plot up there, it wouldn't hold air up on the moon. Finders keepers, Homestead Act all over again.
The only treaty I know of says the moon can not be owned by any nation. That says nothing about private property. Also, the website claims to be selling only 100,000,000 acres out of the available 9,000,000,000 acres of regolith. There would be plenty of room left for the homesteaders.

The only treaty I know of says the moon can not be owned by any nation. That says nothing about private property. Also, the website claims to be selling only 100,000,000 acres out of the available 9,000,000,000 acres of regolith. There would be plenty of room left for the homesteaders.

They have no authority.

Every website claiming to sell land on the moon is a bogus thing. Its for kicks, shits and giggles only, and no court in the WORLD would uphold any claim by those companies.

By Homestead Act, I mean whoever lives on the land and works the land, owns the land, unless they go as specific proxy for someone else who supplies them with transportation and starting resources. Like feudalism.

The website claims to have authority either directly or indirectly granted by the UN, and they cite official UN documents whose veracity is fairly easily to corroborate. Anyway, if I can't enforce my claim, it's only about $20-$30 that I would have lost, and I can sue the website for false advertisement of their "product".

How much would you wager on the oft chance that by the time affordable commercial inter-planetary flight becomes possible and the dream of lunar colonization becomes reality, said websites would close up and the people vanish?

Besides, I do believe those UN documents which do verify as genuine will not mention said company in any explicit format.

What the Moon Land Sale thing is, its like the International Star Registry. You can spend money to 'name' a star, but that doesn't actually go into the actual cataloge.

You get a certificate with the star's name, its catalogue number, and its exactish location. You don't really own that star system, and the name still stays what it was before you bought it.

Its just a nice, nifty little chatchka-y thing to hang on your wall.

What're the requirements to being a soveirgn nation? Could I simply plant myself in the ground, stick a flag on me, and declare independence from the United States?

To answer the original question of this thread, you can start your own nation, but you will only be recognised by other micronations. I suggest you Google "micronation", and read up on the concept. You can start here (http://www.geocities.com/micronations).

Finding a plot of land that's not claimed by any nation will be extra-ordinarily difficult, but you don't actually need a territory to start a micronation.

The most successful micronation ever is probably the Principality of Sealand (http://www.sealandgov.com/), but you'd need to tone down your ambitions to something much less glorious. ;)

As for those who say you can buy land on the moon: You can't. I studied space law a little a few years ago, and nothing beyond the Earth can be bought or sold. Even if you were to build something on the moon, the building would belong to you, but the land it's built on would not.

As for those who say you can buy land on the moon: You can't. I studied space law a little a few years ago, and nothing beyond the Earth can be bought or sold. Even if you were to build something on the moon, the building would belong to you, but the land it's built on would not.
There is that guy who sells land on the moon to people though. With nice certificates and all. It's not actually real, but people still pay him money.
He's apparently lobbying to change space law, cuz he reckons it's all socialist.

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14? And here I was, thinking you were doing Political Science at University. No, just junior high school (or how does that work in the US?).
My little dreamworld is shattered....
How old is CH then?