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I've been thinking about this for quite some time, and when I saw this post by General JC Christian, Patriot (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_06_19_patriotboy_archive.html#111924907437313848), I decided it was time for Operation Yellow Elephant to come to Nationstates.

I should state up front that I've already expressed these sentiments to one poster directly, and that now I'm expanding them to include the following group--US citizens who are of the appropriate age and physical condition to serve in the US Army who support the current war in Iraq and yet are not serving.

You're a bunch of fucking cowards, and I hereby bestow the order of the Yellow Elephant upon you.

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The longer this war continues, and the more it becomes absolutely clear that there was no justification for the war, the more responsible that war supporters become for the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi soldiers and civilians. So for those of you who howled that it was necessary to go to war, and who to this day suggest that the war is not only necessary, but that it's going well, it's time to put up or shut up. Your country needs you.

And it doesn't need you in the Navy or the Air Force--they're filling their quotas quite nicely, thank you, mainly because they're not lying when they tell their recruits they won't be toting a rifle down the streets of Baghdad. You're needed in the Army, and you're needed there far more than you're needed here. Don't give me any crap about how you've got a family or a job or that you're in college--there are Guardsmen and Reservists who are dying over there right now who have all those things as well.

So if you support the war and you're able to serve--male or female--then it's you're duty to sign up. If you don't, you're a coward and a disgrace to the US.

It should go without saying, but if I don't say it, I'll be accused of some sort of soldier-hating, so here it is--if you support the war and you're serving, then I respect what you're doing, because you're walking the talk. I don't agree with you, but I respect your willingness to put your ass on the line for your beliefs.

The rest of you who type tough and wuss out in real life, you all suck, and it's time someone told you so

Hey Nazz, did you steal that from me? LOL

I've been using the pic for the last two days in THIS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426821&page=17&pp=10) thread.. You should read from that page to the end, it has a great ending..lol :)

good stuff Nazz

Given the current recruiting crisis, I consider any able-bodied war supporter who hasn't signed up to be a hypocrite and a coward. I have no respect for them whatsoever.

Hey Nazz, did you steal that from me? LOL

I've been using the pic for the last two days in THIS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=426821&page=17&pp=10) thread.. You should read from that page to the end, it has a great ending..lol :)
No, I didn't. Guess I'm just a touch behind the times. Nice work on Corneliu, by the way.

No, I didn't. Guess I'm just a touch behind the times. Nice work on Corneliu, by the way.

Yeah, It's just a guess, but I'm going to assume we might not see him for a day or so..lol

hmmm i wonder who on here fits that description

age 18-25, highschool diploma, american, physically fit, loves the war.

Speaking of which, I like to nominate Corneliu for membership in Operation Yellow Elephant!

:D

I don't support the war. I think it was started for moronic reasons and the only reason the insurgents keep coming in is because we're there. If we leave now, the insurgents will leave. Let the Iraqis sort out their own problems, they shouldn't be much of our concern. If I supported a war and was of qualifiable age and physical condition to join the army and they needed help I would probably join the Navy or Air Force.

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I've never hid the fact that I didn't enlist because I lacked the courage to do so. I however do Support our troops in any and all branches of the Service. Not one being Greater than the rest. I've seen many friend go, and met many friends here who did go. and I salute them all and mourn for those who made the ultimate sacrifice.

and when they return, I will be here to support you still.

so While I may still be of elegible age (doubt it) and Physical Shape (even More Doubt) I will accept this for I will admit, I do (or did) fit the shoe.

It would indeed do the United States and even the world a great favor if all the supporters of the Iraq war took up arms and went to war. Maybe if they came back, they'd know the cost isn't worth the "gains" we're "seeing" from the war. It just kills me to hear of a veteran to come back from Iraq (at least that's what they say, and with the recent pwnage of Corneliu and his lies, it's probably not true, but anyway) and say it was worth it, even after watching their friends die right beside them.

hmmm very interesting idea you got there

I've been thinking about this for quite some time, and when I saw this post by General JC Christian, Patriot (http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/2005_06_19_patriotboy_archive.html#111924907437313848), I decided it was time for Operation Yellow Elephant to come to Nationstates.

I should state up front that I've already expressed these sentiments to one poster directly, and that now I'm expanding them to include the following group--US citizens who are of the appropriate age and physical condition to serve in the US Army who support the current war in Iraq and yet are not serving.

You're a bunch of fucking cowards, and I hereby bestow the order of the Yellow Elephant upon you.

http://webpages.charter.net/micah/sticker.gif

The longer this war continues, and the more it becomes absolutely clear that there was no justification for the war, the more responsible that war supporters become for the deaths of US soldiers and Iraqi soldiers and civilians. So for those of you who howled that it was necessary to go to war, and who to this day suggest that the war is not only necessary, but that it's going well, it's time to put up or shut up. Your country needs you.

And it doesn't need you in the Navy or the Air Force--they're filling their quotas quite nicely, thank you, mainly because they're not lying when they tell their recruits they won't be toting a rifle down the streets of Baghdad. You're needed in the Army, and you're needed there far more than you're needed here. Don't give me any crap about how you've got a family or a job or that you're in college--there are Guardsmen and Reservists who are dying over there right now who have all those things as well.

So if you support the war and you're able to serve--male or female--then it's you're duty to sign up. If you don't, you're a coward and a disgrace to the US.

It should go without saying, but if I don't say it, I'll be accused of some sort of soldier-hating, so here it is--if you support the war and you're serving, then I respect what you're doing, because you're walking the talk. I don't agree with you, but I respect your willingness to put your ass on the line for your beliefs.

The rest of you who type tough and wuss out in real life, you all suck, and it's time someone told you so
I served in the Army, you South end of a North-bound horse, and I reserve the right to pass among you with a baseball bat!

Its easy to be armchair generals/world leaders isnt it. The war is justified. Bush really screwed the pooch on how he started it. But years down the road i believe it will be viewed as a turning point.
Yes I have been in harms way in the military. Its scary as hell to boot to get shot at. But I wouldnt trade those experiences for anything. It made me grow up real fast and realize what life is about. There is such a thing as a noble cause in life. I feel I have contributed far more than any peace demonstrator ever will.
Its not fun to find out ones mate has been killed combat. Neither is it fun to hear about ones mate killed in a car wreck. You just have to realize its life sometimes.
Anyway I believe most of you online here dont have enough life experience to really judge what the magnitude of war is. The ones that are old enough to know should give respect to the ones that are brave enough to step up and be in harms way. Even if you dont believe how or why the conflict started.
Lastly we are there and have promised to stay there until the situation is in hand for the new Iraqi government. We cannot bail out now and turn tail. That is not the American way. That is the way of cowards and weaklings. Enough said for now.

1. Not everyone can join up. Think of the logistical nightmare! You serve the war just as much by making the economy stronger. When the economy is strong we can support more men.

2. I'm only 13 :p.

3. I support the war, but I'm going to join the Foreign Service(in other words, become a diplomat). The unsung hero's of the world. They're the ones that prevent wars, and ,providing they fall that,the ones that end them.

I served in the Army, you South-bound end of a North-bound horse, and I reserve the right to pass among you with a baseball bat!
That's the most obscure bit of an insult that I've ever seen on this board. My hat (if I wore one :-/) is off.


Now honestly people, this thread is flamebait of the highest order. You can support a war without enlisting, there are other ways of supporting the troops, and it isn't as if we are facing a massive crisis (yet). Let people decide to do what they want to do, if they choose not to enlist, let them not enlist. Hell, you should be cheering them on because if there is a massive crisis with a lack of enlistment the withdrawl from Iraq will have to be accelerated.

Oddly enough, the marines are filling their quotas quite nicely too, and they tend to see even more combat then the army units. Also, if you're a navy corpsman you might very well see combat alongside marines and if you're in the seabees you very well might be in Iraq doing construction.

It's a matter of advertising. Look at the Navy commercials and their kick ass motto "Accelerate Your Life", of course the commercials fail to show that most who join the navy end up with one of the most boring jobs in America, since not everyone goes into the SEALs or fires missiles from an AEGIS cruiser...Then examine the Army commercials, "I can because I am an Army of One," I mean come on, that's a lame ass slogan compared to the Navy's. That, and the Navy's got a action packed commericals with SEALs rolling out of the boats and dudes firing missiles into the air, the Army again is in the lame ad department, showing a guy climbing a rope saying "You can see my strength". And then the Marine ads are good to, with the guy flashing a cool sword while wearing a kickin fancy uniform. The Army's adds are so lame it makes the Navy look straight...Who wouldn't choose the Navy over the Army after seeing those commercials?


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I served in the Army, you South end of a North-bound horse, and I reserve the right to pass among you with a baseball bat!
Hey Eutrusca--read the post a bit more carefully before you get your panties in a twist. I saw in the other thread where you noted that you attempted to serve again, and I respect that. I specifically singled out war supporters who are of age and are physically able to serve. You don't fall into that category, so there's no insult directed at you.

That's the most obscure bit of an insult that I've ever seen on this board. My hat (if I wore one :-/) is off.


Now honestly people, this thread is flamebait of the highest order. You can support a war without enlisting, there are other ways of supporting the troops, and it isn't as if we are facing a massive crisis (yet). Let people decide to do what they want to do, if they choose not to enlist, let them not enlist. Hell, you should be cheering them on because if there is a massive crisis with a lack of enlistment the withdrawl from Iraq will have to be accelerated.
I respectfully disagree. The way I understand flaming, it involves groundless personal attacks directed at individuals. These attacks are neither groundless, nor are they directed at any particular players--they're directed at a group of people who would have to self-identify in order to be offended publicly.

As to the notion that we're not yet facing a massive crisis, I have to wonder what planet you're living on. Any honest look at the current state of the US Army shows critical problems, and that's not going to change any time soon.

It's more complex than that (aka the cop out answer)
Shouldn't the cop out be "Yes, but I don't support any war."?

[edit #1: messed up quotes...]

Oddly enough, the marines are filling their quotas quite nicely too, and they tend to see even more combat then the army units. Also, if you're a navy corpsman you might very well see combat alongside marines and if you're in the seabees you very well might be in Iraq doing construction.


Well, you statement on recruiting is debatable...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050611-9999-1n11recruits.html

After missing its targets for signing up new recruits for four straight months, the Marine Corps exceeded its goal for May, joining the Navy and the Air Force in filling the monthly recruiting quotas.

The Army failed again, missing its May enlistment quota by 25 percent.

All of the services except the Air Force fell short of recruiting goals for their reserve forces in May, with the Army Reserve and Army National Guard continuing to have the hardest time.



One out of five months meeting quota this year is hardly indicitive of them having "no problems" in that regard

Well that's the Army's problem. They need to redefine their recruiting tactics. As for the USAF, USMC, USN, good work on meeting recruiting goals.

BTW: re-enlistment numbers are also up.

As for me, I support our troops and I can have more of an impact at home. In less than 2 hours, I'm leaving for a save our base rally. To those that say I'm yellow, I will meet you anytime anywhere.

A few years ago a friend of mine. who joined the marines. said he'll be a better man than me when he graduated. He got a rude awakening when I promptly shot down that assertion.

So to those that think I'm yellow, I'll meet you anytime anywhere. I am planning on doing this country's business, not on the front lines as a soldier but on the real front lines in the Halls of Congress or as a Diplomat overseas. I am not afraid to tell it as it is and I will fight to keep our military the best in the world by giving them the tools to defend our rights.

Well, you statement on recruiting is debatable...

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20050611-9999-1n11recruits.html



One out of five months meeting quota this year is hardly indicitive of them having "no problems" in that regard

GO Air Force. :D

Ah, so this is why you lied to everyone in the other post? I'm confused. But the one thing I'm not confused about is that you Corneliu are a liar.

Ah, so this is why you lied to everyone in the other post? I'm confused. But the one thing I'm not confused about is that you Corneliu are a liar.

Say what you will. I know the restrictions that I will be under so its not worth it.

Say what you will. I know the restrictions that I will be under so its not worth it.

You'd be under NO restrictions! Why do you keep lying after being caught?

The proof is right HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9103154&postcount=266) that you're lying.

You'd be under NO restrictions! Why do you keep lying after being caught?

I know full well what the military regs have to say on this issue. I am my father's only son. I can't legally serve in combat. End of story.

I know full well what the military regs have to say on this issue. I am my father's only son. I can't legally serve in combat. End of story.

That's a lie and everyone knows it now.. why do you keep going? You're only making yourself look worse. You don't know anything apparently.

PROOF (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9103154&postcount=266)

That's a lie and everyone knows it now.. why do you keep going? You're only making yourself look worse. You don't know anything apparently.

PROOF (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9103154&postcount=266)

And I guess you haven't figured out the fact that i'm an AIR FORCE brat and not an army one? :rolleyes:

And I guess you haven't figured out the fact that i'm an AIR FORCE brat and not an army one? :rolleyes:

Doesn't matter what branch of the service, I asked. They can also fill you in on the "Go Army" site.. still lying.. :rolleyes:

PROOF (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9103154&postcount=266)

I know full well what the military regs have to say on this issue. I am my father's only son. I can't legally serve in combat. End of story.
I believe (and will confirm later this morning.) that being the only son is exscuse for the DRAFT. You can still sign up and serve in a NON-Combat role. You MAY not be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, but there are alot of other places you can be stationed.

I believe (and will confirm later this morning.) that being the only son is exscuse for the DRAFT. You can still sign up and serve in a NON-Combat role. You MAY not be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, but there are alot of other places you can be stationed.

Nope, he's lying.. check this out.. right from the government website.

CLICK (http://www.sss.gov/FSsurviv.htm)

I support the war, but I'm going to join the Foreign Service(in other words, become a diplomat). The unsung hero's of the world. They're the ones that prevent wars, and ,providing they fall that,the ones that end them.

For the sake of our great nation, please review your correspondences with foreign nations longer that you did that post. :D

I’m too young to serve.
Question to those knowledgeable in such things: If one has an eye stigma that would prevent said person from accurately aiming a gun, is that person barred from service in the military?

I believe (and will confirm later this morning.) that being the only son is exscuse for the DRAFT. You can still sign up and serve in a NON-Combat role. You MAY not be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, but there are alot of other places you can be stationed.

*my last post for now*

I know there are other places I could be stationed and that my job would be non-combat. However, I don't want a non-combat role. :(

Anyway, I'm off for now.

*my last post for now*

I know there are other places I could be stationed and that my job would be non-combat. However, I don't want a non-combat role. :(

Anyway, I'm off for now.

No worries Corneliu, you can have a combat role.. you just lied and thought no one would call you on it. TISK, TISK!

I believe (and will confirm later this morning.) that being the only son is exscuse for the DRAFT. You can still sign up and serve in a NON-Combat role. You MAY not be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan, but there are alot of other places you can be stationed.

The present law provides a peacetime exemption for anyone whose parent or sibling was killed in action, died in line of duty, or died later as a result of disease or injury incurred in line of duty while serving in the armed forces of the United States. Also included are those whose parent or sibling is in a captured or missing status as a result of service in the armed forces during any period of time. This is known as the "surviving son or brother" provision. A man does not have to be the only surviving son in order to qualify; if there are four sons in a family and one dies in the line of duty, the remaining three would qualify for surviving son or brother status under the present law.
http://www.sss.gov/FSsurviv.htm

Sole surviving sons or daughters, upon request (or request from member’s immediate family) for noncombat duty may not be assigned to duties normally involving actual combat or to duty where the member might be subjected to hostile fire. In the Air Force, the deferment request must come from the member, not the immediate family.

Members may waive entitlement to the assignment limitation, whether entitlement was based on the member's own application or the request of the member's immediate family.

Unless entitlement is waived, "sole survivor" military members will not be assigned to:

* Combat and hostile fire areas.

* Duties that require travel within the limits of the hostile fire zone.

* A command where combat conditions exist, unless the area is not physically located in the geographical limits of the hostile fire zone.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/deploymentsconflicts/a/solesurviving_2.htm

So if Corneliu's father has made the ultimate sacrifice in the last 24 hours (having been alive when he left for Iraq), and he so requested, Corneliu would be exempted from serving in a combat zone.

Even if, as Corneliu claims, citing an unsubstantiated military regulation, he were not permited to serve in a combat zone, his attitude towards the non-combat branches of military service is poor, at best.

As for myself, I am well beyond both health (sever myopia and asthma) and age limitations, otherwise I might very well be in uniform at this moment. (And I will admit that not having tried when I might have had the opprotunity is one of my biggest regrets. I come from a military family, on my mothers side, and no-one in my generation has served. :( )

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