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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050620/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_s_guards;_ylt=AvNzPeXHrUswAvO9myrms8ys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2MTQ3MTFjBHNlYwN0cw--

Interesting article from the guards who got to know Saddam. Just thought I'd send it out.

Not such a bad guy when you get to know him. (whatever)

He's such an interesting rascal, huh?

Hes one of those guys that if you didnt know about the genocide and stuff, he might be a nice guy (sarcasim)

What a great guy that Saddam is. I'd invite him over for a game of Vice City anyday

then I would poison his drink.

:sniper: He looks even better through a scope. imagine that, a guy responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civilians is a clean freak... he is used to sweeping things under the rug. Nice to see Sadam likes his daily dose of fiber with Raisin Bran, good to know this generations psycho genocidal killer has regular bowel movements...

Many of the world's biggest monsters have been very urbane and sophisticated people. The kind of person you'd sit down to dinner with and have absolutely charming conversation if you didn't know what they were up to. Many of them have also considered themselves so superior to everyone else, and so committed to their vision of a "better" world that no number of human lives would be to many to expend in achieving it - after all, it's for our own good. In other words, they're sociopaths.

Many of the world's biggest monsters have been very urbane and sophisticated people. The kind of person you'd sit down to dinner with and have absolutely charming conversation if you didn't know what they were up to. Many of them have also considered themselves so superior to everyone else, and so committed to their vision of a "better" world that no number of human lives would be to many to expend in achieving it - after all, it's for our own good. In other words, they're sociopaths.


Yeah I've heard Bush Jr. is a pleasant person to hang out with.

Yeah, the GIs guarding fat man Goering also said he was quite a nice guy, a bit like a uncle, dealing out fatherly advice.

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I wonder how long it'll take until one of those guards smuggles a "sleeping pill" for Saddam?

The article says that if Saddam knew the statue of himself in Baghdad's Firdos Square was toppled on April 9, 2003, he never mentioned it to the GI guards. He insisted that everything he did, including the 1990 invasion of Kuwait, was for the good of his people, and invited his guards to return to Iraq and stay at his palace after he was restored to power.

"Ah, Mr. American guard, once I'm reinstalled to power you all can come and stay at my palace." [thinking: I got some nice wet and dark prison for you - bwahahahahahaha!]

:D

I think the most interesting thing about the article was what they didn't say. Why would the FBI choose a National Guard Mech unit with zero 95C trainning for guarding a high value prisioner? Hmmmm!

Liverbreath']I think the most interesting thing about the article was what they didn't say. Why would the FBI choose a National Guard Mech unit with zero 95C trainning for guarding a high value prisioner? Hmmmm!

I'm missing your point. I dont know what you mean.

I'm missing your point. I dont know what you mean.
These guys are cannon cockers without experience in or trainning in handling prisoners at all, except for taking them and holding them until MP's can move them to the rear. They have no law enforcement trainning, nothing at all on prisoner rights, nothing on ethics or proper escorting procedures, nothing on anything someone should know to do that job, including the things they need to know for their own protection (legally)
They literally and intentionally chose a unit that had no knowledge or experience in the proper way to do the job they were choosen for. Alarm bells should be going off everywhere over that.

Liverbreath']These guys are cannon cockers without experience in or trainning in handling prisoners at all, except for taking them and holding them until MP's can move them to the rear. They have no law enforcement trainning, nothing at all on prisoner rights, nothing on ethics or proper escorting procedures, nothing on anything someone should know to do that job, including the things they need to know for their own protection (legally)
They literally and intentionally chose a unit that had no knowledge or experience in the proper way to do the job they were choosen for. Alarm bells should be going off everywhere over that.

You've got me interested. What are your thoughts on this and why was this unit assigned this duty?

:sniper: He looks even better through a scope. imagine that, a guy responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civilians is a clean freak... he is used to sweeping things under the rug. Nice to see Sadam likes his daily dose of fiber with Raisin Bran, good to know this generations psycho genocidal killer has regular bowel movements...
But, he would make one hell of a Kellogs spokesperson....

the doritos people need to hire a saddam impersonator immediately. turns out he cant get enough doritos. they are his current favorite snack food

cant you kinda imagine the funny commercials they could come up with??

the doritos people need to hire a saddam impersonator immediately. turns out he cant get enough doritos. they are his current favorite snack food

cant you kinda imagine the funny commercials they could come up with??

Yeah but after they made commercials like that, wouldn't a lot of anti-saddam and patriotic people (like myself) at least try to boycott them?

I mean if they knew Adolf Hitler used ex-lax or something, (not that he did... :D ) if they made a commercial with him in it, wouldn't all of the jewish people and family members of people in the war, etc. not buy ex-lax?

the doritos people need to hire a saddam impersonator immediately. turns out he cant get enough doritos. they are his current favorite snack food

cant you kinda imagine the funny commercials they could come up with??
Well he supposedly had dozens of lookalikes, they're all basically unemployed now, I'm sure they'd jump at the chance.

You've got me interested. What are your thoughts on this and why was this unit assigned this duty?

I have friends that used to be 95c's at Ft Leavenworth and they are as surprised as I was. One said it may be a case where the military is short handed on active duty in that MOS and simply drew that unit out of a hat to fill the gap. Another thought it may have been a case of not wanting personel that knew the legalities and proper procedures for handling such prisoners, and may be obligated to take exception to the arrangements.
I guess there is some speculation that he was being held in somewhat more comfortable conditions than would have been consided by many as acceptable. Perhaps a state side hospital according to one individual who suggested, that, was the reason the military was mad about the pictures of him in his underwear. Apparently the pictures showed he had multiple rooms avaliable for his use. Also, there was mention of using baby wipes to clean his stainless steel items. These are items that an ordinary prisoner would never have been able to get.

Liverbreath']These guys are cannon cockers without experience in or trainning in handling prisoners at all, except for taking them and holding them until MP's can move them to the rear. They have no law enforcement trainning, nothing at all on prisoner rights, nothing on ethics or proper escorting procedures, nothing on anything someone should know to do that job, including the things they need to know for their own protection (legally)
They literally and intentionally chose a unit that had no knowledge or experience in the proper way to do the job they were choosen for. Alarm bells should be going off everywhere over that.

And you know these folks did not have the training because?????

Liverbreath'] These are items that an ordinary prisoner would never have been able to get.

In case you have not heard, Saddam is not an "ordinary prisoner." :eek:

And you know these folks did not have the training because?????

Thier MOS was an unrelated field. It was an armored unit according to the article.

He gets grumpy when they run out of Cheetos, I know this man's frustration. That's enough to turn any leader into a psycopathic killer.

In case you have not heard, Saddam is not an "ordinary prisoner." :eek:

But without a doubt there are many that would go off the deep end if they were to find he was being treated to accomodations more luxurious than the ordinary prisoner.

This is typical; also the guards of Göring during the Nürnberg Process were fascinated by him, at the point that one of them gave him a vial of poison to suicide before the execution to avoid the shame.
It's usual that in a "friendly" and "close" situation men with strong character have influence over other people.

He gets grumpy when they run out of Cheetos, I know this man's frustration. That's enough to turn any leader into a psycopathic killer.

haha I can imagine. All them billions and not a cheeto to be had at any price.

This is typical; also the guards of Göring during the Nürnberg Process were fascinated by him, at the point that one of them gave him a vial of poison to suicide before the execution to avoid the shame.
It's usual that in a "friendly" and "close" situation men with strong character have influence over other people.

Do you by chance know if his guards were trained in handling prisoners or just troops pulled for the duty? I do know that now days 95C's recieve extensive trainning in avoiding these relationships from ever starting.

Liverbreath']Thier MOS was an unrelated field. It was an armored unit according to the article.

That does not mean they were not give the proper training prior to being deployed. People in the military are almost always given training before being assigned to jobs outside their primary specialty. In the Air Force we called it cross training or lateral training. I'm sure these folks were given lots of training before being assigned to guard high profile prisoners.

Liverbreath']But without a doubt there are many that would go off the deep end if they were to find he was being treated to accomodations more luxurious than the ordinary prisoner.

The only ones who would "go off the deep end" would or should be the "ordinary prisoners." Officers are usually accorded better accommodations in POW camps and pre-trial confinement than enlisted, and Saddam is classified as an officer (General Officer) as he was the head of the military and president of the country.

Liverbreath']Do you by chance know if his guards were trained in handling prisoners or just troops pulled for the duty? I do know that now days 95C's recieve extensive trainning in avoiding these relationships from ever starting.

I agree, they sure now have a specific training, but as I see it is not working properly :P

That does not mean they were not give the proper training prior to being deployed. People in the military are almost always given training before being assigned to jobs outside their primary specialty. In the Air Force we called it cross training or lateral training. I'm sure these folks were given lots of training before being assigned to guard high profile prisoners.

Cross training and lateral training from my experience are 2 or 3 weeks at the most. You're talking about an entire military speciality which is at least 13 weeks. One way or another it will probably be in someone's book well after he's dead and buried.

I agree, they sure now have a specific training, but as I see it is not working properly :P

Come now! You must admit, there has not been a single complaint from any special interest group that the guards were making friends with the inmates!

According to them, he's a clean freak and still thinks he's President of Iraq.

According to them, he's a clean freak and still thinks he's President of Iraq.

Not to defend him in any way at all, but that has to be one hell of a culture shock. From dictator for life in an incredible palace on one day to hiding like a rat underground the next.

It is also surely for propagandistic reasons

Yeah but after they made commercials like that, wouldn't a lot of anti-saddam and patriotic people (like myself) at least try to boycott them?

I mean if they knew Adolf Hitler used ex-lax or something, (not that he did... :D ) if they made a commercial with him in it, wouldn't all of the jewish people and family members of people in the war, etc. not buy ex-lax?
oh i dont think so. wasnt the tv show "hogan's heros" a very popular tv show set in a german prisoner of war camp?

as long as they made saddam look like a fool they would be very popular ads.

But, he would make one hell of a Kellogs spokesperson....
http://fapfap.org/eatraisinbran.jpg

http://fapfap.org/eatraisinbran.jpg

I'm so saving this pic to my hard drive.

You make it or find it elsewhere?

Well what will Saddam do to keep himself not getting bored. Only if the US government will let Saddam watch the news or cartoons.

http://fapfap.org/eatraisinbran.jpg

Wow. I may not like you, but damn that was hilarious.

Okay, this is kind of scary, but Saddam looks like my English 12 teacher from last year, almost exactly. Down to the white collar shirt and brown jacket!

:sniper: He looks even better through a scope. imagine that, a guy responsible for the death of thousands of innocent civilians is a clean freak... he is used to sweeping things under the rug. Nice to see Sadam likes his daily dose of fiber with Raisin Bran, good to know this generations psycho genocidal killer has regular bowel movements...

Saddam Hussein is this generations "psycho genocidal killer?" I must have missed the part where it was suspected, by American intelligence (no less), that Iran may have been responsible for the gassing of the Kurds.

During the Iran-Iraq war, of course.

Which the US helped to initiate (and supported both sides during.)

Don't get me wrong; as an American and former soldier, I am as pro-American as they come----but not blindly so. I cannot and will not accept that this war was justified as a means to oust Hussein from power. If that is the sole remaining rationale, there never was a legitimate rationale for this war.

Saddam Hussein is this generations "psycho genocidal killer?" I must have missed the part where it was suspected, by American intelligence (no less), that Iran may have been responsible for the gassing of the Kurds.

During the Iran-Iraq war, of course.

Which the US helped to initiate (and supported both sides during.)

Don't get me wrong; as an American and former soldier, I am as pro-American as they come----but not blindly so. I cannot and will not accept that this war was justified as a means to oust Hussein from power. If that is the sole remaining rationale, there never was a legitimate rationale for this war.

http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/09/iraq-000918.htm

Okay, this is kind of scary, but Saddam looks like my English 12 teacher from last year, almost exactly. Down to the white collar shirt and brown jacket!

I always thought he looked like Dennis Miller

http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics4/dennismillerlive0.jpg

I always thought he looked like Dennis Miller

http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics4/dennismillerlive0.jpg

:eek:

Maybe it's not Saddam at all that they captured!!!

:eek:

Maybe it's not Saddam at all that they captured!!!

Oh dear... this means I have to go bail out my English teacher from a Military Tribunal... again. Third time this year. Well, it's off to Iraq I go, I guess.

Liverbreath']Not to defend him in any way at all, but that has to be one hell of a culture shock. From dictator for life in an incredible palace on one day to hiding like a rat underground the next.

Here's another one, he did his own laundry.