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What I mean is that both homosexuals and heterosexuals have this distrust of bisexuals...this antipathy towards their refusal to settle down on one side of the spectrum. I was at a pride party this Saturday, and heard one very loud gay man espousing on the 'evils' of bisexuality, and how he just didn't 'buy' it.

His argument was this. Bisexuals are sluts. This is evidenced by the fact of their undiscriminating taste in sexual partners, gender wise. They are fakes who want to be accepted by the gay and straight communities, and "you can't have your cake and eat it too!" Many bisexuals settle down into straight marriages, and this is proof positive that they aren't really into the same sex. They are opportunists who masquerade as gay once in a while just to 'try something new'.

I was bristling at this loud little commentary...and at the fact that he'd attracted quite a crowd of people who clearly agreed with him. Being the shit-disturber I am, (and fueled by about seven gin and tonics, which for me if the equivalent of 'enough liquor to drop an elephant'), I jumped up on a picnic table and,

"Happy fucking pride everyone! Happy pride to the gays and lesbians and transgenders and transsexuals, but not to those fucking dirty bisexuals! Hey, you can have as many partners as you want, and it's no ones business, but everyone knows that the second you sleep with more than one gender, your hormones go completely out of wack, and you become and uber-slut! We all know who spread the diseases around here...don't we, folks? Those undiscriminating, fuck-alls, the bis, that's who! They want to be gay, but suffer none of the prejudices gays face, so they go and "hide" in straight relationships, sneaking out once in a while to get a 'gay fix'. I mean, make a choice, already! Gay or straight! You can't be both! We're all about celebrating differences, but you have to DECIDE what 'difference' you want to belong to first! You can't just waffle back and forth all your life! So up with the homos, the drag queens, the straights, the butches, the bitches, the tops, the bottoms, but down with those dirty, fake, slutty bis!"

Well, just like in NS, sometimes people don't get sarcasm...but luckily for me, most people in this case did. I got swept onto some broad, sequined shoulders and paraded around the patio:) The guy I'd aimed my little rant at gave me the finger, and toasted me with a grin, though I doubt I really changed his mind.

Point being...bisexuality is legitimate. In my mind, it's MORE legitimate than purely homo or heterosexual. It varies...a man may be 70/30 in favour of women...but he isn't straight, and he isn't homosexual. I would argue (without any actual proof of course:)) that 100% straight or gay people are in the minority. What do you think?

Sinuhue, you rant about sex and love so often that I am getting the impression that you don't get enough of either somehow.

Sinuhue, you rant about sex and love so often that I am getting the impression that you don't get enough of either somehow.
I laughed. :D

Kinsey Report.

Dr. Kinsey determined that sexuality is kind of like a bell curve. Very few people are 100% heterosexual, and very few people are 100% homosexual. Most people fall somewhere in the middle.

You kiddin me? England seems to be obssessed with bisexual women right now, although bisexual men dont get much of a look in.

I see we arn't discussing females, or there would be no rant

Ihatevacations']I see we arn't discussing females, or there would be no rant
Oh and why do you say that?

You really are on a sexuality kick, aren't you Sin?

=)

Anyways, I agree. I think the mistrust that many heteros have for bisexuals is the fact that they still just don't understand attraction to the same sex. The distrust from homosexuals, I think, is often due to the fact that many of them come out of the closet gradually, first declaring themselves bisexual and then eventually telling everyone that they are only attracted to the same sex. Thus, they feel that all bisexuals must be in that boat.

Anyways, I really don't think that many, if any people are 100% one way or the other. I think that many fall in the 90/10 range and thus interpret the 10% as something like "just noticing how attractive they are", rather than actually being attracted to them.

Oh and why do you say that?
since when do bisexual women get no love?

Ihatevacations']since when do bisexual women get no love?
Oh lol I was confused :p

You really are on a sexuality kick, aren't you Sin?


You just noticed this?

IMHO hardly any, if any are 100% either way.

Point being...bisexuality is legitimate. In my mind, it's MORE legitimate than purely homo or heterosexual.

Oh, so first you lambaste others for it, and then you go all "holier than thou" yourself. :rolleyes:

IMHO hardly any, if any are 100% either way.

I am.

You kiddin me? England seems to be obssessed with bisexual women right now, although bisexual men dont get much of a look in.

I have noticed the same in Norway, my home country, and particularly among people 14-19 (i'm 17): female bisexuals are looked upon as modern-age fertility goddesses while male bisexuals are thought of as gay. unfair.

Well, I dunno. I have a habit of falling for bisexual guys and then having my heart broken when they go off with some bloody woman.

EDIT: Oh, and apparently bisexual men don't really exist - it's more likely that they're simply confused gays, whereas bisexual woman probably are actually bisexual.

You'd be supprised how hard it is for Bisexual people to find relationships. If fits with a man they are paranoid you might "go to to the other side".
If its a woman they are not trusting and constantly think your going to want to have a threesome but hey.

Well, I dunno. I have a habit of falling for bisexual guys and then having my heart broken when they go off with some bloody woman.

EDIT: Oh, and apparently bisexual men don't really exist - it's more likely that they're simply confused gays, whereas bisexual woman probably are actually bisexual.

Does it really matter who they go off with? In order for your heart to break?

Well, I dunno. I have a habit of falling for bisexual guys and then having my heart broken when they go off with some bloody woman.

I've yet to see a bisexual man in a stable, gay relationship. It's as if their gay side were some sort of fetish...

as long as you don't rub it in my face i don't care who you love! :cool:

I've yet to see a bisexual man in a stable, gay relationship. It's as if their gay side were some sort of fetish...
I have ... I am one ... with a girl now but was in one for 2 years (and the breakup was due to location changes that were not practicaly avoidable and we grew apart)

Point being...bisexuality is legitimate. In my mind, it's MORE legitimate than purely homo or heterosexual. It varies...a man may be 70/30 in favour of women...but he isn't straight, and he isn't homosexual. I would argue (without any actual proof of course:)) that 100% straight or gay people are in the minority. What do you think?

I completely understand what you mean. I have had plenty of hostility from both straight and gay people because I am bisexual, and in a relationship with a man. normally perfectly nice lesbian once told me that people who labelled themselves as bi were 'lying to themselves'.
My argument is, I fancy men and I fancy women. If I labelled myself as gay or straight, then I would be lying to myself. As it is, I am perfectly honest, and perfectly happy with things.

I wouldn't say that being bi is any more valid than being gay or straight however. I you are a man and you fancy men, but not women, then you are gay. The fact that there is the possibility that a time may come when there is one woman that you are sexually attracted to, does not change the fact that you are gay. One swallow does not make a summer and all that.

Blessings
Cyber

as long as you don't rub it in my face i don't care who you love! :cool:

Yeah, heterosexual people should stop doing that.

I completely understand what you mean. I have had plenty of hostility from both straight and gay people because I am bisexual, and in a relationship with a man. normally perfectly nice lesbian once told me that people who labelled themselves as bi were 'lying to themselves'.
My argument is, I fancy men and I fancy women. If I labelled myself as gay or straight, then I would be lying to myself. As it is, I am perfectly honest, and perfectly happy with things.

I wouldn't say that being bi is any more valid than being gay or straight however. I you are a man and you fancy men, but not women, then you are gay. The fact that there is the possibility that a time may come when there is one woman that you are sexually attracted to, does not change the fact that you are gay. One swallow does not make a summer and all that.

Blessings
Cyber
Same ... at least for the hostility part

Nice parties you go to. :)

Well done!

Why do we make a big fuss over what people like in their private life?

Big deal, they like men only, they like women only. I consider myself straight, but not 100% straight. Sure, I get disgusted by gay love, but hey, they may get disgusted by my girlfriend and I loving each other. But really, who cares what they do with each other?

Way I see it, bisexuals can put their hands down anyone's pants and like what they see.

and fyi, bisexuals do get all the love. Go watch an adult video, I guarruntee they'll be a WWM or a MMW scene. =P

I am.Really? Like not even 99.99%? If your 100% strait then, when you get dressed, how do you tell what looks hot on you or not?

I've yet to see a bisexual man in a stable, gay relationship. It's as if their gay side were some sort of fetish...
I have yet to see many stable gay relationships. Face it, promiscuity is very much more widespread among homosexual men than in any other group. Another reason why bisexual men might seek a relationship with a woman to settle down is the possibility to found a family of ones own. At least that is why i feel more attracted to women for a life-time partner.
I avoid the vast gay scene in my town and aint open to all of my friends, because i have experienced that "we dont want your kind here"-feeling from both sides and rather have my peace than be flamboyant about it. But i cant help finding certain people attractive and try to have sex with them, whatever is attached to them. That is my main point here, i do not fall in love with men or women but personalities.

I've yet to see a bisexual man in a stable, gay relationship. It's as if their gay side were some sort of fetish...

I've been with my bisexual boyfriend for three years, I have never had any trouble with him in the way of unfaithfulness and it does not look like we will be breaking up any time soon. Of course, you will probably never see him, but it shows that it does happen.
I think it should be noted that bisexuals also face pressure from heterosexuals (mostly their families) to have only heterosexual relationships, and those lacking in backbone will leave their boyfriends, which probably accounts for some of the mistrust of gay men towards bisexuals who are otherwise completely trustworthy. My boyfriend does have a backbone and his parents no longer speak to him because of it.

Really? Like not even 99.99%? If your 100% strait then, when you get dressed, how do you tell what looks hot on you or not?
What "looks hot" on me? Ooook. Must be a girl thing because I just wear what looks cool, literally and figuratively, its hot in alabama damnit

You just noticed this?

Well, no, but she seems to be making even more threads on it of late. =)

Really? Like not even 99.99%? If your 100% strait then, when you get dressed, how do you tell what looks hot on you or not?

I'm not straight.

I've yet to see a bisexual man in a stable, gay relationship. It's as if their gay side were some sort of fetish...

I have a bisexual male friend currently in one - so they do exist. =)

We were thinking of getting him the t-shirt "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is." =)

[QUOTE=Sinuhue]
His argument was this. Bisexuals are sluts. This is evidenced by the fact of their undiscriminating taste in sexual partners, gender wise. They are fakes who want to be accepted by the gay and straight communities, and "you can't have your cake and eat it too!" Many bisexuals settle down into straight marriages, and this is proof positive that they aren't really into the same sex. They are opportunists who masquerade as gay once in a while just to 'try something new'.



... I hate to say it, but I understand this guys point of view. I think many of us get burned by so-called bisexuals who use that title as any easy way to get thier rocks off with someone of the same sex. It has happened to me more than I would care to admit. I also know 6 bisexuals who are in heterosexual relationships. In my personal experiance I have not met someone who is bi and in a gay relationship. And, I am ashamed to say, I was bi-phobic for many years. But, after thinking about it I realized that such a phobia was stupid, and the reasons had little to do with bisexuals and more to do with people who were afraid that they had a same sex sexual experiance. So while this guy may have hit a nerve with folks who have been burned, he was full of it.

Thanks for telling him off

im bisexual. im getting married nxt yr but i have g/f's. my fiance has no prob wiv this situation. i am blessed to have found a man like him. he does like 2 watch etc but if the g/f im wiv @ that time doesnt want him there or whatever then he respects her views and leaves us alone. i guess i have the ideal situation, plus i get my cake and eat it. I have gay and lesbian friends wo dont think what i do is right but they just dont talk about it. i also have gay and lesbian friends who think its gr8, i can talk wiv them bout ppl we fancy of both genders. + if we're pissed enough i get 2 sleep wiv my lesbian (and bi) friends!!!!

That is my main point here, i do not fall in love with men or women but personalities.

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.

im bisexual. im getting married nxt yr but i have g/f's. my fiance has no prob wiv this situation. i am blessed to have found a man like him. he does like 2 watch etc but if the g/f im wiv @ that time doesnt want him there or whatever then he respects her views and leaves us alone. i guess i have the ideal situation, plus i get my cake and eat it. I have gay and lesbian friends wo dont think what i do is right but they just dont talk about it. i also have gay and lesbian friends who think its gr8, i can talk wiv them bout ppl we fancy of both genders. + if we're pissed enough i get 2 sleep wiv my lesbian (and bi) friends!!!!

God damn the modern English language education system.

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.
Yay!

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.
Ok WTF? where did that come from

Really? Like not even 99.99%? If your 100% strait then, when you get dressed, how do you tell what looks hot on you or not?
I consider myself to be 100%, and honestly, I don't have a clue what looks hot on me. I have to ask a girl, and try to remember the things she says.

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.

I don't think that's what was meant, only that while gay people will only fall for 'personalities' of the same sex, or straight people will only fall for 'personalities' of the opposite sex, bi people can fall for 'personalities' of any sex, and that the sex of that specific personality doesn't actually tend to matter...

Not supremacism, just the honest truth.

</bastard>

I have a bisexual male friend currently in one - so they do exist. =)

We were thinking of getting him the t-shirt "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is." =)

That might be good enough for my sig lol

God damn the modern English language education system.

sorry but i always type in IM. my spelling is so attrocias (c, i cant even spell that) that its the only way i can type etc!!

My GF is bisexual, I'm the first guy she's ever dated. Not sure how I feel about it really, on one hand it's kind of nice, but on the other I have sort of a feeling of dread. I feel like I can't completely satisfy here, as it were, and I kind of feel like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. But oh well.

They are fakes who want to be accepted by the gay and straight communities, and "you can't have your cake and eat it too!"

I've always wondered about that.

What's the point in having cake if you can't eat it?

I've always wondered about that.

What's the point in having cake if you can't eat it?

*nods head in agreement* whats the point otherwise?!?!?!

sorry but i always type in IM. my spelling is so attrocias (c, i cant even spell that) that its the only way i can type etc!!

I'd sooner read poorly spelled sentances than yards of overly-familiar shorthand.

My spelling is also poor on occasion, that's why I have a spellchecker open in the background when composing posts to boards as a common courtesy to the readers.

I've always wondered about that.

What's the point in having cake if you can't eat it?

It means you can't eat a cake then still have one, obviously cos youv'e eaten it :)

I seem to recall Woody Allen once said something along these lines:


Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances of having a date on Saturday night

I don't think that's what was meant, only that while gay people will only fall for 'personalities' of the same sex, or straight people will only fall for 'personalities' of the opposite sex, bi people can fall for 'personalities' of any sex, and that the sex of that specific personality doesn't actually tend to matter...

That was not what was written, and that most certainly wasn't what was implied.

But you're right, it isn't bi-supremacism as much as it is fake-bisexual supremacism. I've noticed that most of the time, fake bisexuals are the ones who spout such nonsense, because they need to validate themselves. They need so much to believe that they are better, that they fall in love with "personalities" while the rest of us apparently don't, which is of course shame on us.

I don't know were you get the impression that gays and bis don't get along well. In the group I hang out with the gay, lesbian, and bi all get along pretty well. Mabey even better because they can relate about being different from everyone else.

So the guy wanted to be gay AND a bigot? Certainly, unusual. But fucking stupid.

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.
:upyours:
No, but you are a) unable to get what concept i was hinting at, that i fall for someones mind/psyche without checking gender-compatibility first or b) a walking, talking moron trying to push his point via making wild assumptions to other peoples motives.

Theres nothing wrong with bi-sexuals. Most men are more likely to be atrracted to other men. But women are more likely to come out about it. Any bi-sexuals here?

Any bi-sexuals here?
Me

I'd sooner read poorly spelled sentances than yards of overly-familiar shorthand.

My spelling is also poor on occasion, that's why I have a spellchecker open in the background when composing posts to boards as a common courtesy to the readers.

well i appologise but my style is my style and i shall carry on i that vein.

while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.

Disturbing mental images... Go away...

Personally, as far as my oppinions go, I prefer people who are Streight, followed by BiSexuals, then Gays

but my oppinion could be slightly Biased since I'm Streight

but still I beleive people have a right to be what they are without being critisized for it

:upyours:
No, but you are a) unable to get what concept i was hinting at, that i fall for someones mind/psyche without checking gender-compatibility first

Yeah, sure, that's what you meant, and you that that's less offensive to non-bisexuals in what sense? That the first thing we do is make sure that it is a walking cock before we fall in love with it?

b) a walking, talking moron trying to push his point via making wild assumptions to other peoples motives.

Flames aren't allowed in this forum. Calm down before the mods spot you.

im bisexual. im getting married nxt yr but i have g/f's. my fiance has no prob wiv this situation. i am blessed to have found a man like him. he does like 2 watch etc but if the g/f im wiv @ that time doesnt want him there or whatever then he respects her views and leaves us alone. i guess i have the ideal situation, plus i get my cake and eat it. I have gay and lesbian friends wo dont think what i do is right but they just dont talk about it. i also have gay and lesbian friends who think its gr8, i can talk wiv them bout ppl we fancy of both genders. + if we're pissed enough i get 2 sleep wiv my lesbian (and bi) friends!!!!

You have one stange relationship in my opinion. I dont think I could stand being in a relationship like that.

What I mean is that both homosexuals and heterosexuals have this distrust of bisexuals...this antipathy towards their refusal to settle down on one side of the spectrum. I was at a pride party this Saturday, and heard one very loud gay man espousing on the 'evils' of bisexuality, and how he just didn't 'buy' it...

*snippy*

... What do you think?


Thanks for sticking up for me Sinner! <3 :fluffle:

Bisexuality is legitimate, I agree, but around here it's not that the people are bi, it's more that bi people around here tend to have this stupid mindset that they can date a guy and a girl at the same time and not be cheating on anyone.

As a gay guy, I can admit that I stray from bisexual guys because I don't think we can ever sit down in the same living room watching tv and me having to endure the "oooh she's hot" like I'm sitting with a straight buddy. And I did have an ex that sometimes did that. ~_~ But yeah, I don't mind being friends with bi people, but it's fear of cheating and some other things that make them less than attractive on a relationship perspective.

Yeah, sure, that's what you meant, and you that that's less offensive to non-bisexuals in what sense? That the first thing we do is make sure that it is a walking cock before we fall in love with it?



Flames aren't allowed in this forum. Calm down before the mods spot you.
I don’t get it all he was trying to say (at least what I got out of the statement) that because we are attracted to both sides personality is paramount to making a relational decision, attraction (at least attraction spawned by a specific gender) is less of an issue so it is whoever we feel like being with

I don’t know what happened in the translation to cause you to go off on it (and then for him to return fire) but I don’t see what the problem is

I don’t think he was trying to say that you don’t decide on personality just that with bisexual that is the BIGGEST factor … even bigger then what gender they happen to be (or sex or whatever) because that does not really matter to us

I totally agree!!! It's always interesting how a group that has been targeted by hate can so easily discriminate against others.
Kinsey was right on, but I think one must also understand that gender and sexuality are fluid. Picture yinyangs that come in various proportions. We are not all man or woman or homosexual or heterosexual. I know lesbians who date men and straight women who date other women. It's all subject to change. People need to open up a bit, and be a little more honest with themselves.
I think also, bisexuality has been commercialized as this girls gone wild package that portrays it as not a real sexuality but as a drunken performance controled by and created for horny straight men.

:fluffle:

You have one stange relationship in my opinion. I dont think I could stand being in a relationship like that.

Less a relationship and more an addiction eh?

I have noticed the same in Norway, my home country, and particularly among people 14-19 (i'm 17): female bisexuals are looked upon as modern-age fertility goddesses while male bisexuals are thought of as gay. unfair.

Well the media has gone crazy for bi women the last couple of years or so I get the impression its now seen as acceptable for women to be bi much more than it is for men.

Human sexuality is an extremely complex thing, involving biological develompent, psycho/social development, and probably more. Each of those variables by itself is acted on by thousands of other variables during a person's development. This therefore gives almost countless ideas, events, and images that make up a person's paradigm.

So much for pinning sexuality on one variable.

I believe that people can do what they want, with whatever they want. But what people do is what makes them who they are. If the inhibitions that your social development placed on you are strong enough to make you avoid getting jiggy with someone of the same gender, society has rendered you a heterosexual. If you feel no genereal qualms about the whole shebang and bounce into bed with your good buddy from the bar who happens to share the same anatomical structure as you, that's fine, too.
(forgive the rant, I swear, it's almost over)

Human sexuality is about people. Therefore, like people, it can change over time. I'm just not cozy with the thought of something never changing over the course of some 60+ years, and not even the more basic things (like the mountains, or the sea and sky) go without changing.

Anyway, those are my opinions on sexuality. So, like them or not, it's all good. Let's all go get cuddly with something. :fluffle:

IMHO hardly any, if any are 100% either way.I can safely say I have NO sexual attraction to females.

It means you can't eat a cake then still have one, obviously cos youv'e eaten it :)

Thak you, Sherlock. :rolleyes:

Remember kids, pay your bills or the Repo men will take your sense of humour too!!

Thak you, Sherlock. :rolleyes:

Remember kids, pay your bills or the Repo men will take your sense of humour too!!

I forgot that we all know what goes on in your brain :rolleyes:

Because when someone makes a plain question we all know that they are trying to be funny :rolleyes:

That the first thing we do is make sure that it is a walking cock before we fall in love with it?
Everyone checks gender first. That is completely natural SOP. But while straights/gays categorise people into "potential bedpartner" and "the other gender" bisexuals dont have such a second category. Everything else, looks, personality etc come after that first, splitsecond impression. I do feel in no way superiour for having a brain that is wired that way, its an automatism. There is no thought of "i am superiour" behind that and if you still claim i think that you deserve a most heartfelt Fuck you.

Flames aren't allowed in this forum. Calm down before the mods spot you.
I give a flying fuck about that. According to my book people who assume things about others to have them be seen in a bad light, "supremacist" comes to mind, are the worst flame-baiters. Look, i dont make any guesses at what you might think and speculate about that in public and expect the same politeness from you.

Insert back-peddling and pointless flaming here

Yeah, by flaming me, you're not swaying me to listen to what you have to say. So, I shan't waste any more time on you. Shoo, flamer, I have a walking cock to talk to!

Any bi-sexuals here?

*raises hand* But on more of a 70/30 basis than a 50/50.

I guess I'm technically bi, but that's more because gender has no meaning to me when it comes to relationships...

And I don't see how someone being attracted to both genders makes anyone inherently 'bad' or whatever stereotype bisexuals are being placed with. I mean, bisexuality is as much a non-choice as homosexuality and heterosexuality. And people are just people. So apart from who they find attractive a person who is bisexual is no different from a person who is heterosexual. When people are asses or sluts, it's because they're asses or sluts, whether they be straight, bi, gay, a politician, or like dogs.

Yeah, by flaming me, you're not swaying me to listen to what you have to say. So, I shan't waste any more time on you. Shoo, flamer, I have a walking cock to talk to!
Like your blindly calling him a supremest was much better when he was trying to allude to what essentially is “skipping” the first step and moving on to the personality portion

Like your blindly calling him a supremest was much better when he was trying to allude to what essentially is “skipping” the first step and moving on to the personality portion

Where did I call anyone a supremacist? Please, learn to tell the difference between people and the things they say.

Yeah, by flaming me, you're not swaying me to listen to what you have to say. So, I shan't waste any more time on you. Shoo, flamer, I have a walking cock to talk to!
Did someone lose the argument and use the old escape routine? Show me flaming, show me backpeddling! Oh, i forgot, you cant and thus i am no longer worthy of your attention.

Sorry, other readers, but i get riled up about people wanting to paint me a certain way which doesnt fit me.

As a straight man... sometimes I do say this with a bit of chagrin towards bisexuals....

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! The talent pool in the dating game is limited enough as is. ;)

Seriously, being bisexual has to suck IMHO. If you're stuck in a monogamous relationship, you have to pick one (unless you somehow got a hermaphrodite). After that... you're screwed. You're stuck with that choice there. No scratching that 'urge'... unless you REALLY are a slut and go sleeping around with other people in a relationship.

i don't know what u are arguing 'bout.
to get a solution is about inpossible. so forget it.

Ihatevacations']What "looks hot" on me? Ooook. Must be a girl thing because I just wear what looks cool, literally and figuratively, its hot in alabama damnit
Not all the time. SEXWITHWHATEVERGENDERISSOAWESOMEITMAKESMYBRAINBLOWUPLIKEAKOALACRAPPEDINIT!

The above statement shows my opinion on this matter.

Everyone checks gender first. That is completely natural SOP. But while straights/gays categorise people into "potential bedpartner" and "the other gender" bisexuals dont have such a second category. Everything else, looks, personality etc come after that first, splitsecond impression. I do feel in no way superiour for having a brain that is wired that way, its an automatism. There is no thought of "i am superiour" behind that and if you still claim i think that you deserve a most heartfelt Fuck you.

THis isn't necessarily true, and isn't a conscious decision anyways.

First of all, if categorization is going on, bisexuals categorize people as "potential bedfellows" and "other people." I highly doubt that there is anyone who considers every single person in their life to be a "potential bedfellow".

Secondly, I think what Fass was trying to get at was that personality is no more a decision-maker in bisexuals than in any other group. Bisexuals feel physical attraction just as much as hetero- or homosexuals, we just feel it towards members of either sex, while they feel that attraction only towards one or the other.

Finally, even someone who has always considered themselves 100% gay or straight can end up, if they find an incredibly compatible personality in the sex they have not previously been attracted to, end up in the opposite sort of relationship. Often, that initial physical attraction isn't really there, but it grows over time as the person in question gets to know their potential soulmate.

First of all, you are awesome, sinuhue XD and I tend to agree. Bisexuality is legitimate, and imo, as someone else said... it isn't bisexuality or all bisexuals, so much as the individuals people have dealt with who weren't being legitimate in that relationship. It's also unfortunate that so many people just presume. I think part of it may also simply be how people develop their views of sexuality in accordance with their own, really ^^; especially with the tendancy that's been mentioned: if a bisexual person partakes in a heterosexual relationship, or homosexual relationship, they seem to have an expectation placed on them to stay that way. People in general don't have a very good reputation for staying in stable relationships XD but I guess having had both boyfriends -and- girlfriends just seems even more unstable.

Not quite so relevant, but you see this a lot in fandom, too. Bisexuality is a myth! Just like dinosaurs ;_;

Point being...bisexuality is legitimate. In my mind, it's MORE legitimate than purely homo or heterosexual.

I really don't think legitimacy is an issue ^^; the only way something wouldn't be legitimate is if it wasn't so for the individual professing that they are het/bi/gay/pan/whatever.

Though, I think I know what you mean to say. Imo, It would just be nice if people could just love instead of getting so hung up on the sex and gender. But I realize it's not so simple.

As a straight man... sometimes I do say this with a bit of chagrin towards bisexuals....

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! The talent pool in the dating game is limited enough as is.

Seriously, being bisexual has to suck IMHO. If you're stuck in a monogamous relationship, you have to pick one (unless you somehow got a hermaphrodite). After that... you're screwed. You're stuck with that choice there. No scratching that 'urge'... unless you REALLY are a slut and go sleeping around with other people in a relationship.


Well my fiance and I are both bi and maybe once or twice a year (at the very most) we will include someone in our activities; sometimes a girl or sometimes a guy (who is also bisexual so we can both enjoy them) - once we included a couple (okay twice).

WHen we are married we will still do the same thing. I Don't see anything wrong with it and I don't think that makes us sluts. Keeps us both from cheating I think because we don't need to since we can get in other peoples pants without having to do so.

IT"S FUN!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Maybe we are sexually supreme :p

Show me flaming

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"Fuck you"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9099988&postcount=53
"walking, talking moron"

show me backpeddling!

First claiming by inference that non-bisexuals don't fall in love with personalities but with genitals, and then, after realising how stupid a thing it was to write, you started softening your tone on that, in a feeble attempt at trying to fool anyone that you didn't write what you wrote. Backpedal, anyone?

Oh, i forgot, you cant and thus i am no longer worthy of your attention.

You just got served.

Like your blindly calling him a supremest was much better when he was trying to allude to what essentially is “skipping” the first step and moving on to the personality portion

I think the problem is that Fass looks at things differently.

Meanwhile, a bisexual does not skip the first step. We all notice whether or not we find someone physically attractive before we get to know them (this view can, of course, change with time, but we get a split-second attraction/non-attraction). This is no different with anyone, regardless of sexual orientation. It's not like a homosexual male looks at a woman and decides he can't be attracted to her because she is a woman. He just isn't attracted to her. Just like some straight males or lesbians won't really be attracted to her.

Sinuhue, you rant about sex and love so often that I am getting the impression that you don't get enough of either somehow.
Damn, I start a thread, promptly have to leave, and then come back to more replies than I think I can address...

And WL...hush you. I revisit many of my favourite topics because...they are my favourite topics:). Sinuhue gets much love :fluffle:

well i appologise but my style is my style and i shall carry on i that vein.

I must say that for me who is not raised with English as my first language it is really difficult to understand what you are trying to say. Correct spelling allows me to look up words I'm not familiar with. This is not only a US community, is it?

You really are on a sexuality kick, aren't you Sin?
Don't worry...by next week I'll be back on feminism!

Secondly, I think what Fass was trying to get at was that personality is no more a decision-maker in bisexuals than in any other group. Bisexuals feel physical attraction just as much as hetero- or homosexuals, we just feel it towards members of either sex, while they feel that attraction only towards one or the other.

Thank you! I should think more bisexuals should be annoyed at bisexuals who depict themselves as eunuchs who only go off on personality, and I know many who are annoyed!

Oh, so first you lambaste others for it, and then you go all "holier than thou" yourself. :rolleyes:
Ah, welcome Fass.

No...I'm simply suggesting that more people are on that "bell curve" than they are at either extreme end. You Fass. :p

as long as you don't rub it in my face i don't care who you love! :cool:
Except when you're the one they love, and you love it when they rub 'it' in your face :eek:

Well, Sinuhue, if you're not getting enough love and sex, you need to find it then. Otherwise, we'll have to hear this type of ranting every day.

I wouldn't say that being bi is any more valid than being gay or straight however.
Valid and legitimate were poor word choices on my part. Apologies.

Ah, welcome Fass.

I didn't know that was necessary.

No...I'm simply suggesting that more people are on that "bell curve" than they are at either extreme end. You Fass. :p

By using "legitimacy" as a method of doing that?

Well, no, but she seems to be making even more threads on it of late. =)
What do you expect? Last week was Pride week, and I was involved in planning for it a few weeks before...

...can I help it that I have sex on the mind? :D

THis isn't necessarily true, and isn't a conscious decision anyways.

First of all, if categorization is going on, bisexuals categorize people as "potential bedfellows" and "other people." I highly doubt that there is anyone who considers every single person in their life to be a "potential bedfellow".
Never said anything about it being a conscious decision. Its very much unconscious, a reflex, like a flee or fight alternative. I would never consider everyone a partner for sex, there are too many restricting factors. All of those are personal and most of them conscious. But there is no "wrong gender, cant mate" automatism setting in, sorting them out before i can make any conscious decision. Gender simply is not a restricting factor.

Well my fiance and I are both bi and maybe once or twice a year (at the very most) we will include someone in our activities; sometimes a girl or sometimes a guy (who is also bisexual so we can both enjoy them) - once we included a couple (okay twice).

WHen we are married we will still do the same thing. I Don't see anything wrong with it and I don't think that makes us sluts. Keeps us both from cheating I think because we don't need to since we can get in other peoples pants without having to do so.

IT"S FUN!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Maybe we are sexually supreme :p

so basically u 2 r swingers!! im wit u on that 1. my fiance and i r 2. maybe we should meet up. actually no, not a gd idea, my fiance is straight. doesnt find other men attractive @ all (which i think is a pity coz 2 men is a sexy site IMHO). but neway, gd on u both.

That was not what was written, and that most certainly wasn't what was implied.

But you're right, it isn't bi-supremacism as much as it is fake-bisexual supremacism. I've noticed that most of the time, fake bisexuals are the ones who spout such nonsense, because they need to validate themselves. They need so much to believe that they are better, that they fall in love with "personalities" while the rest of us apparently don't, which is of course shame on us.
What the heck is a fake bisexual? Someone who PRETENDS to be attracted to the same sex sometimes? Ewww! This is exactly what I mean...the idea that bisexuality is not 'for real', but being straight or gay is. So, if a guy is 80/20 in favour of women, he's not REALLY bisexual...just 'questioning'? Does there have to be a 50/50 split for it to be REAL bisexuality? Of course bisexuals have the need to validate themselves...just like gay people do...just like EVERYONE does when it comes to their own sexuality. Why is that okay for everyone else, but not the bis?

You have one stange relationship in my opinion. I dont think I could stand being in a relationship like that.
Which is why you aren't...and this person is.

What you consider to be a 'strange' relationship is based on a personal viewpoint. Do you have a reason for bringing up your viewpoint, other than just to bring up your viewpoint?

As a straight man... sometimes I do say this with a bit of chagrin towards bisexuals....

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! The talent pool in the dating game is limited enough as is. ;)

Seriously, being bisexual has to suck IMHO. If you're stuck in a monogamous relationship, you have to pick one (unless you somehow got a hermaphrodite). After that... you're screwed. You're stuck with that choice there. No scratching that 'urge'... unless you REALLY are a slut and go sleeping around with other people in a relationship.
Polyamory? Triads? There are always solutions to problems, whether you particularly like them or not. :)

Bisexuality is legitimate, I agree, but around here it's not that the people are bi, it's more that bi people around here tend to have this stupid mindset that they can date a guy and a girl at the same time and not be cheating on anyone.

As a gay guy, I can admit that I stray from bisexual guys because I don't think we can ever sit down in the same living room watching tv and me having to endure the "oooh she's hot" like I'm sitting with a straight buddy. And I did have an ex that sometimes did that. ~_~ But yeah, I don't mind being friends with bi people, but it's fear of cheating and some other things that make them less than attractive on a relationship perspective.
Sure, some bis treat their sexuality as an opportunity to get down at anytime, with anyone. But cheaters abound regardless of sexuality. Do bis REALLY cheat more? Or is that just the perception? Is it a fair perception?

I totally agree!!! It's always interesting how a group that has been targeted by hate can so easily discriminate against others.
Kinsey was right on, but I think one must also understand that gender and sexuality are fluid. Picture yinyangs that come in various proportions. We are not all man or woman or homosexual or heterosexual. I know lesbians who date men and straight women who date other women. It's all subject to change. People need to open up a bit, and be a little more honest with themselves.
I think also, bisexuality has been commercialized as this girls gone wild package that portrays it as not a real sexuality but as a drunken performance controled by and created for horny straight men.

:fluffle:
Agreed...on the fluidity of sexuality and on the bolded passage, which in my mind is what FAKE bisexuality is.

What the heck is a fake bisexual?

A fake bisexual is usually a teenage girl, but can be a guy too, who says she is bisexual, while not being so really (they often have "girlfriends" with whom they make out, but nothing more) just to be different or cool. It's quite the phenom in schools nowadays. Can be faked to please straight men, also, in an attention-whore sort of way.

Of course bisexuals have the need to validate themselves...just like gay people do...just like EVERYONE does when it comes to their own sexuality. Why is that okay for everyone else, but not the bis?

It's not okay when it's done in such a manner as to demean others, for instance by alluding that we don't fall in love with personalities.

Yeah, by flaming me, you're not swaying me to listen to what you have to say. So, I shan't waste any more time on you. Shoo, flamer, I have a walking cock to talk to!
Ay Fass, cut it out. You're projecting an argument onto someone who didn't actually make the argument you so gleefully are arguing with. If you want an argument, pick one that exists.

Which is why you aren't...and this person is.

What you consider to be a 'strange' relationship is based on a personal viewpoint. Do you have a reason for bringing up your viewpoint, other than just to bring up your viewpoint?

ty Sinuhue. other ppl have said that they cant understand the way we live but it works for us. my fiance knows he has 2 comprimise and so do i. the minute he says he's no longer comfortable wiv the situation, thats when the g/f's stop.

*raises hand* But on more of a 70/30 basis than a 50/50.
80/20.
Ish.

Ay Fass, cut it out. You're projecting an argument onto someone who didn't actually make the argument you so gleefully are arguing with. If you want an argument, pick one that exists.

Well Sinuhue, we all know that if you're really a man, at least you would have the common courtesy to give a reacharound.

Ay Fass, cut it out. You're projecting an argument onto someone who didn't actually make the argument you so gleefully are arguing with. If you want an argument, pick one that exists.

Did you even read what he wrote. "I don't fall in love with men or women, I fall in love with personalities" (paraphrase) clearly implying that non-bisexuals don't.

I guess I'm technically bi, but that's more because gender has no meaning to me when it comes to relationships...

And I don't see how someone being attracted to both genders makes anyone inherently 'bad' or whatever stereotype bisexuals are being placed with. I mean, bisexuality is as much a non-choice as homosexuality and heterosexuality. And people are just people. So apart from who they find attractive a person who is bisexual is no different from a person who is heterosexual. When people are asses or sluts, it's because they're asses or sluts, whether they be straight, bi, gay, a politician, or like dogs.
I agree...I can't imagine NOT being attracted to someone based on their gender. It's hard for me to imagine the 100% pure homosexual or heterosexual viewpoint. However, I don't imagine that it doesn't exist, or is a put on, or is fake. So why are bis targeted as such?

so basically u 2 r swingers!! im wit u on that 1. my fiance and i r 2. maybe we should meet up. actually no, not a gd idea, my fiance is straight. doesnt find other men attractive @ all (which i think is a pity coz 2 men is a sexy site IMHO). but neway, gd on u both.


I guess, we are but not very promiscuous ones. Once in a great while for a little adventure is all we attempt.

As to the discussion about the range of sexualities peopel can have, labels do not help clarify them at all. There is this one guy that considers himself straight as he isn't attracted to any other guys at all but me. He has never done anything with any other guys but me. He has been curious but I am teh only one he says he has ever wanted to do anything sexual with. I kept pressing him because I thought that maybe he was lying in an attempt to keep up a certain view of him, but I honestly believe him now. I am somewhat of a feminine guy - although he isn't attacted to other femme guys or trannies or androgenous goth guys or anythign liek that. Wierd.

Did someone lose the argument and use the old escape routine? Show me flaming, show me backpeddling! Oh, i forgot, you cant and thus i am no longer worthy of your attention.

Sorry, other readers, but i get riled up about people wanting to paint me a certain way which doesnt fit me.
Understood. I think we all get pissed by that.

It's hard to ignore...but I suggest you do that for now. He's misread you, and that's not going to change right now. Don't worry about it to much...it happens.

As a straight man... sometimes I do say this with a bit of chagrin towards bisexuals....

MAKE UP YOUR MIND! The talent pool in the dating game is limited enough as is. ;)

Seriously, being bisexual has to suck IMHO. If you're stuck in a monogamous relationship, you have to pick one (unless you somehow got a hermaphrodite). After that... you're screwed. You're stuck with that choice there. No scratching that 'urge'... unless you REALLY are a slut and go sleeping around with other people in a relationship.
I don't see it as any more of a problem in terms of 'temptation' for bis as it is for homosexuals or heterosexuals. We ALL have temptation...being bi doesn't necessarily mean there will be more, or that they are more likely to give in.

Sure, some bis treat their sexuality as an opportunity to get down at anytime, with anyone. But cheaters abound regardless of sexuality. Do bis REALLY cheat more? Or is that just the perception? Is it a fair perception?

I don't think so XD I think it's just more stigmatized. Just seems to be that when a vocal bisexual acts like that, it's perhaps still a part of that 'make up your mind!' mentality--it's just seen more vividly by a lot of people for some reason.

Stereotypes are there for a reason, but it's hardly a good standard to generalize by @_@

I guess, we are but not very promiscuous ones. Once in a great while for a little adventure is all we attempt.

As to the discussion about the range of sexualities peopel can have, labels do not help clarify them at all. There is this one guy that considers himself straight as he isn't attracted to any other guys at all but me. He has never done anything with any other guys but me. He has been curious but I am teh only one he says he has ever wanted to do anything sexual with. I kept pressing him because I thought that maybe he was lying in an attempt to keep up a certain view of him, but I honestly believe him now. I am somewhat of a feminine guy - although he isn't attacted to other femme guys or trannies or androgenous goth guys or anythign liek that. Wierd.

hmmm. i know sum1 like that. yeah my fiance and i arent that promiscuous, we've had maybe two or three "encounters" in about 2 yrs.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9100100&postcount=71
"Fuck you"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9099988&postcount=53
"walking, talking moron"

You did read the qualifiers, did you? If the shoe fits you, well than those are flames, yes. Well deserved ones, i might add. But not per se.

First claiming by inference that non-bisexuals don't fall in love with personalities but with genitals, and then, after realising how stupid a thing it was to write, you started softening your tone on that, in a feeble attempt at trying to fool anyone that you didn't write what you wrote. Backpedal, anyone?

You are the one fond of picking out the delectable bits of post, did you not want to quote now? Or is it hard to quote what you read into something instead of taking it at face value? Besides, its not backpeddling if you explain in more detail. Please show me inconsistency, not from what you perceive as such, but by analysing using semantics and logic. Accept that i did not infere anything but that it is only you who wants to see it that way.

Well my fiance and I are both bi and maybe once or twice a year (at the very most) we will include someone in our activities; sometimes a girl or sometimes a guy (who is also bisexual so we can both enjoy them) - once we included a couple (okay twice).

WHen we are married we will still do the same thing. I Don't see anything wrong with it and I don't think that makes us sluts. Keeps us both from cheating I think because we don't need to since we can get in other peoples pants without having to do so.

IT"S FUN!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Maybe we are sexually supreme :p
As long as both partners are willing to have an open relationship, and are clear on the boundaries, life is good. Some people are going to make value judgements about this sort of relationship, but who cares? There is no cookie-cutter 'this is how the relationship should be' mould that we have to fit into.

Well, Sinuhue, if you're not getting enough love and sex, you need to find it then. Otherwise, we'll have to hear this type of ranting every day.
Don't be silly! It's precisely because I DO get exactly the type of love and sex I want that I enjoy talking about love and sex. Goofball. :D

Well Sinuhue, we all know that if you're really a man, at least you would have the common courtesy to give a reacharound.
#3 in the weird conspiracy that Sinuhue is actually her transgendered brother. :rolleyes:
My womb would argue with you on that one...but it's mute.

As long as both partners are willing to have an open relationship, and are clear on the boundaries, life is good. Some people are going to make value judgements about this sort of relationship, but who cares? There is no cookie-cutter 'this is how the relationship should be' mould that we have to fit into.

mmmm cookies ;)

yeah we are happy with our lifestyle

Did you even read what he wrote. "I don't fall in love with men or women, I fall in love with personalities" (paraphrase) clearly implying that non-bisexuals don't.
It may CLEARLY imply that to you. It didn't to me. I read it as, gender aside, bis pick their partners based on attraction to personality/looks/whatever. So do straights and gays...but they are gender specific.

I agree...I can't imagine NOT being attracted to someone based on their gender. It's hard for me to imagine the 100% pure homosexual or heterosexual viewpoint. However, I don't imagine that it doesn't exist, or is a put on, or is fake. So why are bis targeted as such?

Well, for me it's less being attracted despite gender and more I'm not sexually attracted to people... at which point gender stops having real meaning to me in that way. But yeah, if people can understand that there are people that only like males, or only like females, despite whether or not they like this view, I don't understand why its so hard to grasp that people can like all genders. It's like cat-lovers and dog-lovers shunning people that like both cats and dogs.

Everybody needs to quit worryng about who everybody else is fucking.

That is so high-school.

I'll sleep with who I want. Then you sleep with who you want. And it'll be between whoever we slept with and not each other, mmmkay?

Thanks!

:)

It may CLEARLY imply that to you. It didn't to me. I read it as, gender aside, bis pick their partners based on attraction to personality/looks/whatever. So do straights and gays...but they are gender specific.

I just read it as a personal statement without any blanket statements inherently attatched. But maybe discussing things in Pagan communities has conditioned me to that XD;

/commentwhoreage

Well, for me it's less being attracted despite gender and more I'm not sexually attracted to people... at which point gender stops having real meaning to me in that way. But yeah, if people can understand that there are people that only like males, or only like females, despite whether or not they like this view, I don't understand why its so hard to grasp that people can like all genders. It's like cat-lovers and dog-lovers shunning people that like both cats and dogs.
Hehehehee...but they're so FUN to shun!

Well, for me it's less being attracted despite gender and more I'm not sexually attracted to people... at which point gender stops having real meaning to me in that way. But yeah, if people can understand that there are people that only like males, or only like females, despite whether or not they like this view, I don't understand why its so hard to grasp that people can like all genders. It's like cat-lovers and dog-lovers shunning people that like both cats and dogs.
good analogy :)

It may CLEARLY imply that to you. It didn't to me. I read it as, gender aside, bis pick their partners based on attraction to personality/looks/whatever. So do straights and gays...but they are gender specific.
Exactly. Thanks for getting it the way i meant it.

Exactly. Thanks for getting it the way i meant it.
I did too ... I dont know why he freaked out so much It was like ... normal progression of who you seek for a partner

1) sex
2) personality
3) atributes
4) history

(order can be change)
and being bisexual just makes 1 irrelevent and skip to step 2

He seemed like he was thinking you were saying step 1 was the ONLY step for gays and straits and that bi's are the only one that move to step 2 which you were NOT saying

and as for the title - Bisexuals actually get double the love :D

Theres nothing wrong with being bi-sexual. Men are more likely to be arracted to other men. Women are more likely to tell people about being bi-sexual. Every ones bi-sexual, most people are 70/30. Its just if you are comfatable with it or not. Are there any bi-sexuals here?

What I mean is that both homosexuals and heterosexuals have this distrust of bisexuals...this antipathy towards their refusal to settle down on one side of the spectrum. I was at a pride party this Saturday, and heard one very loud gay man espousing on the 'evils' of bisexuality, and how he just didn't 'buy' it.

*snips*



Oh sweetie - you've hit the nail on the head yet again. Bisexuals get no respect, not from the gay or the straight crowd. I'm living proof.

Oh sweetie - you've hit the nail on the head yet again. Bisexuals get no respect, not from the gay or the straight crowd. I'm living proof.

Dobbs, you know I respect you.

Dobbs, you know I respect you.
As do I.

But we aren't the crowd.

As do I.

But we aren't the crowd.


I learned a long time ago.

1. Not everyone who wants to fuck you is your friend.
2. Most people will at least say they hate you, given the chance.
3. The number of true friends - people willing to sacrifice something valuable for you without hope of repayment - you'll be able to count on one hand.

I'm someone who believes in friendship, and there are so few people who actually do.

I'm someone who believes in friendship, and there are so few people who actually do.
Do you really think so? I don't know...I make a clear distinction between friends, and acquaintances...and you're right, the friends aren't large in numbers...but I guess I just assumed everyone did that. Have a few real friends, and some water-cooler buddies?

Ahh, it's okay. I don't like fucking crowds anyway.

Hee hee.

Do you really think so? I don't know...I make a clear distinction between friends, and acquaintances...and you're right, the friends aren't large in numbers...but I guess I just assumed everyone did that. Have a few real friends, and some water-cooler buddies?

For years, I was under the misguided perception that a number of people I grew up with were "friends".

For years, I was under the misguided perception that a number of people I grew up with were "friends".
Oh.

Didn't we all?

You realise who your friends are when things get rough. Until that, you can't really be sure who's going to stick by you.

Which is why you aren't...and this person is.

What you consider to be a 'strange' relationship is based on a personal viewpoint. Do you have a reason for bringing up your viewpoint, other than just to bring up your viewpoint?

From reading her first post i got the idea that only she slept around (albeit only with other women) and that her partner didnt. In that situation I wold have thought it inevitable that he get jealous eventually which is why i stated it was strange but from reading a couple more of her posts it seems I got the wrong impression and that they were both swimgers as she put it.

From reading her first post i got the idea that only she slept around (albeit only with other women) and that her partner didnt. In that situation I wold have thought it inevitable that he get jealous eventually which is why i stated it was strange but from reading a couple more of her posts it seems I got the wrong impression and that they were both swimgers as she put it.

we are both swingers. i would never go wiv sum1 unless my fiance agrees 2 it.

we are both swingers. i would never go wiv sum1 unless my fiance agrees 2 it.
Okay, I'm totally willing to back you up on this, since I have a pretty open relationship too...but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPELL YOUR WORDS OUT!!! Please?

Okay, I'm totally willing to back you up on this, since I have a pretty open relationship too...but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPELL YOUR WORDS OUT!!! Please?

ok seeing how it's for you. but only for you!!

we are both swingers. i would never go wiv sum1 unless my fiance agrees 2 it.

Yeah, thats what i said. I misunderstood you the first time.

Yeah...apparently I talk 'gay' too much, and it causes some posters to assume I must be gay...because no one else would ever discuss this sort of stuff willingly, right? *eye roll*

Yeah...apparently I talk 'gay' too much, and it causes some posters to assume I must be gay...because no one else would ever discuss this sort of stuff willingly, right? *eye roll*

a little bird told me that you were half gay

a little bird told me that you were half gay

isnt that Bi?!

a little bird told me that you were half gay
Hardly half.

20%

Yeah...apparently I talk 'gay' too much, and it causes some posters to assume I must be gay...because no one else would ever discuss this sort of stuff willingly, right? *eye roll*

You homo.

You homo.
Hahahahahahhahahaha.

My husband is going to be surprised by this 'outing'! :D

well birds are bad at math I think

lol @ 20% though :p
I'm actually 23.2259% Gay and whatever the rest is Straight.

Hahahahahahhahahaha.

My husband is going to be surprised by this 'outing'! :D

I don't think he'll be that surprised. :D

I don't think he'll be that surprised. :D
Where I to leave him for a woman (being a homo and all, suddenly finding myself not interested in men), I think he WOULD be surprised.

Of course, I don't really think all this 'gay' talk is going to turn me 'gay' and make me leave my hubby after all.

well birds are bad at math I think

lol @ 20% though :p
I'm actually 23.2259% Gay and whatever the rest is Straight.
hehehehe

Yeah, it's just that I'm not EQUALLY attracted to men and women. I think 20% is pretty accurate in terms of levels of attraction.

I feel no dislike of any person based on their sexuality. Chicks don't do it for me, no matter what their sexual orientation may be. I tolerate straight men. Gay guys rock my socks. They are pretty cool people in general in my experience, and they are men who like to have sex with other men. That's hot.
Unfortunatly, they don't like chicas. Not at all. I have some good gay guy friends, but none of them love me enough to let me watch....
Therego... Though I may not feel dislike of anyone, I feel a LOT of love for bisexual men.
They do get love.
Mine. Trust me, I've got enough love of guys who swing both ways to go around.
mmmmmmm
Maggie sandwich, bisexual bread....

Oh, there it is, the bi-supremacism! Take note people! Bisexuals' partners are "personalities", while the rest of us have partners who are walking, talking cocks or pussies.
Fass, many of the things you are saying in this thread are just as bad as many of the homophobic rants I have read on this site.

I think that many gays are bi-phobic because they see them as unfair competition or something.

I have no problem whatsoever with bisexuals. What I do have a problem with is straight girls pretending to be bisexual in order to get male attention. It's often tricky to tell the difference though, unless you know them well.

I have no problem whatsoever with bisexuals. What I do have a problem with is straight girls pretending to be bisexual in order to get male attention. It's often tricky to tell the difference though, unless you know them well.
Most chicks grow out of this once they realise that they actually find sex with women to be icky, or that the guys only want her because of her feigned sexuality.

Most chicks grow out of this once they realise that they actually find sex with women to be icky, or that the guys only want her because of her feigned sexuality.

Oh, I hope they will. It's not something that I encounter that often personally(thank goodness), but it disturbs me because I do know a lot of guys with a bit of a fixation with lesbian/bisexual girls, and the fact that people are willing to lie about themselves in order to pander to what these guys want is... not good.

Of course, I can't really talk because I'm equally messed up myself and still half-hoping that I'll wake up one day with a romantic interest in men, and at least be attracted enough to not be squicked at the thought of having sex with them. I think I'm just clinging on to the remaining vestiges of my denial though.

And that rambling brings me to another thing that bugs me about "fake" bisexuals... they can leave their sexuality behind at any point, because it's not real. It's just a game to them, whereas to many people who are *actually* bisexual or gay, it's a challenging and difficult part of their identity. Colour me bitter, but I resent that.

80/20.
Ish.
Alright, Sinu, if this is a bell curve let's do it properly.

Let's use 0 for 100% gay and 100 for 100% straight.

Dividing the curve into three equal tritiles, gay land is between 0 and 33.33. Those people who favour the opposite sex between 0/100 and 33.33/66.67 (i.e. prefer the same sex) reside in gay land (homosexistan? :D ).

Following, bisexual land is between 33.33 and 66.67. Those who favour the opposite sex between 33.33/66.67 and 66.67/33.33 (i.e. could prefer either sex, or even be 50/50) reside in bi land (bisexistan?).

Finally, the third tritile, straight land. Those who favour the opposite sex between 66.67/33.33 and 100/0 (i.e. prefer the opposite sex) reside in straight land (heterosexistan?).

Thus, by the given ratios, you live in straight land. Dempublicents1 lives in straight land, but is quite close to the border with bi-land.

Alright, none of it is as clear cut as that, but I disagree that a 20% preference for the same sex makes you "bisexual".

*barrage of stats that fly completely over my head*
Thus, by the given ratios, you live in straight land. Dempublicents1 lives in straight land, but is quite close to the border with bi-land.

Alright, none of it is as clear cut as that, but I disagree that a 20% preference for the same sex makes you "bisexual".
So do I.

But with many people it's an either or proposition. Gay, straight or bi.

I'm MOSTLY heterosexual. When it comes down to it, that's what I consider myself. That doesn't mean I don't ever like women though. So, my sexuality, the naming of it, depends on what other people consider to be straight, gay, or bi.

I just visit 'gay' land:)

I just visit 'gay' land:)
Please, it's Homosexistan. You don't see the rest of us calling Iran "Persia" anymore, do you? :D

If the stats fly over your head, maybe you should not have mentioned the bell curve in the first place!

Please, it's Homosexistan. You don't see the rest of us calling Iran "Persia" anymore, do you? :D

If the stats fly over your head, maybe you should not have mentioned the bell curve in the first place!
Was that me? Are you sure?

I think that bisexuals scare monogomous people within the context of a relationship; myself included. Its not the same as believing your partner will cheat on you JUST BECAUSE they find both sexes attractive, but on a more basic level it feels as though your partner is telling you "You're nice, but..."

Having had that experience I can tell you its rather distrubing to have one person commited to a relationship and the other telling them that they occasionally feel like having someone else. To "Get their fix" of the opposite gender. It was very difficult to communicate on the subject, because it felt like we were on very different levels, in different places.

For me to listen to her; I always hear her insisting that she was totally commited to me, but she wanted to sleep with someone else. That made VERY little sense to me; I simply couldn't identify with it, because at heart I'm not open to the idea of having a swinger or an open relationship. I don't feel that if I had a few "on the side" affairs that I could consider myself faithful to her.

Though it didn't end the relationship by itself, it probably did contribute to our eventual breakup. Because of that experience I must admit that I have regulated bisexuals to the same catagory as gay women; nice, but not for me. Its a shame, but I simply cannot find a way to rationalize going out with someone and getting into that situation again.

I think that bisexuals scare monogomous people within the context of a relationship; myself included. Its not the same as believing your partner will cheat on you JUST BECAUSE they find both sexes attractive, but on a more basic level it feels as though your partner is telling you "You're nice, but..."

Having had that experience I can tell you its rather distrubing to have one person commited to a relationship and the other telling them that they occasionally feel like having someone else. To "Get their fix" of the opposite gender. It was very difficult to communicate on the subject, because it felt like we were on very different levels, in different places.

For me to listen to her; I always hear her insisting that she was totally commited to me, but she wanted to sleep with someone else. That made VERY little sense to me; I simply couldn't identify with it, because at heart I'm not open to the idea of having a swinger or an open relationship. I don't feel that if I had a few "on the side" affairs that I could consider myself faithful to her.

Though it didn't end the relationship by itself, it probably did contribute to our eventual breakup. Because of that experience I must admit that I have regulated bisexuals to the same catagory as gay women; nice, but not for me. Its a shame, but I simply cannot find a way to rationalize going out with someone and getting into that situation again.
Bisexuals are no less capable of monogamy than anyone else.

I'm sorry about your particular experience...but it does't mean that bis are inherently 'seeking' outside of a relationship.

I think that bisexuals scare monogomous people within the context of a relationship; myself included. Its not the same as believing your partner will cheat on you JUST BECAUSE they find both sexes attractive, but on a more basic level it feels as though your partner is telling you "You're nice, but..."

Having had that experience I can tell you its rather distrubing to have one person commited to a relationship and the other telling them that they occasionally feel like having someone else. To "Get their fix" of the opposite gender. It was very difficult to communicate on the subject, because it felt like we were on very different levels, in different places.

For me to listen to her; I always hear her insisting that she was totally commited to me, but she wanted to sleep with someone else. That made VERY little sense to me; I simply couldn't identify with it, because at heart I'm not open to the idea of having a swinger or an open relationship. I don't feel that if I had a few "on the side" affairs that I could consider myself faithful to her.

Though it didn't end the relationship by itself, it probably did contribute to our eventual breakup. Because of that experience I must admit that I have regulated bisexuals to the same catagory as gay women; nice, but not for me. Its a shame, but I simply cannot find a way to rationalize going out with someone and getting into that situation again.

Those aren't necessarily traits of bisexual people, however. Strictly heterosexual women are just as capable of infidelity as bisexual women, and sleeping with members of the same sex is just as unfaithful to a partner as sleeping with members of opposite sex.

I'm so sick of straight teenage girls running around going "Oooh look at me I'm bi-" and then hooking up with a chick in front of a guy to get the guy. STupid fucking whores.

I'm so sick of straight teenage girls running around going "Oooh look at me I'm bi-" and then hooking up with a chick in front of a guy to get the guy. STupid fucking whores.
So much anger

(And I like how upset you are at the girls when they are doing a behavior a lot of guys encourage)

Bisexuals are no less capable of monogamy than anyone else.

I'm sorry about your particular experience...but it does't mean that bis are inherently 'seeking' outside of a relationship.

Indeed they are not. Perhaps there is a perfectly lovely bisexual woman out there who will eventually settle down with me into a monogamous relationship. Perhaps I am too hasty in declaring myself unavailable to bisexual women as well. Time will tell.

The simple fact of the matter is that I am hesitant to start a relationship with a bisexual for the reasons previously stated. I thought perhaps that my experience and mindset could help explain why "bisexuals get no love", because of such miscommunications, bad experiences, and the like.

Thus helping us all understand why both gay and straight people seem to rationalize dogging on bisexuals. Bitter ex-lovers make poor rational desicions, perhaps the assh*le you got the finger from in your first post had a similar experience to mine (perhaps not).

I'm so sick of straight teenage girls running around going "Oooh look at me I'm bi-" and then hooking up with a chick in front of a guy to get the guy. STupid fucking whores.


Shit why doesn't this happen to me? So many people, on this thread, claim that this happens to them.

Although I would think that girls doing this are hurting other bi/lesbian girls by playign with their feelings than they are hurting guys. I know plenty of guys who would love for some girl to be bi just for them.

Shit why doesn't this happen to me? So many people, on this thread, claim that this happens to them.

Although I would think that girls doing this are hurting other bi/lesbian girls by playign with their feelings than they are hurting guys. I know plenty of guys who would love for some girl to be bi just for them.
No kidding ... Some guys would kill for that

i believe that bisexuality exists, and i don't think that it is dirty.

i am not bi - i'm straight- but i have friends who are. i have a friend who has truly been in love with a girl, and truly been in love with a guy. i do not feel like this disqualifies her at all or lessens either of her loves.

i think that bisexuals are secretly envied (at least all my straight friends think that being bi would be cool, but then again i don't have that many straight friends), and that jealousy is translated as fear or reproach.

also, whereas i feel that some people truly are bisexual, i get angry when i see people who aren't bisexual running around for the attention of it. like when girls will flip out with eachother just to grab the attention of a guy. it's cool when it's actually the way the person is and is genuine, but when it's an attention-grabbing technique.. well... that just degrades everyone involved, and sort of puts down the people who are really bi.

Where I to leave him for a woman (being a homo and all, suddenly finding myself not interested in men), I think he WOULD be surprised.

Of course, I don't really think all this 'gay' talk is going to turn me 'gay' and make me leave my hubby after all.

being gay isn't something you can catch... it's genetic.

Alright, Sinu, if this is a bell curve let's do it properly.

Let's use 0 for 100% gay and 100 for 100% straight.

Dividing the curve into three equal tritiles, gay land is between 0 and 33.33. Those people who favour the opposite sex between 0/100 and 33.33/66.67 (i.e. prefer the same sex) reside in gay land (homosexistan? :D ).

Following, bisexual land is between 33.33 and 66.67. Those who favour the opposite sex between 33.33/66.67 and 66.67/33.33 (i.e. could prefer either sex, or even be 50/50) reside in bi land (bisexistan?).

Finally, the third tritile, straight land. Those who favour the opposite sex between 66.67/33.33 and 100/0 (i.e. prefer the opposite sex) reside in straight land (heterosexistan?).

Thus, by the given ratios, you live in straight land. Dempublicents1 lives in straight land, but is quite close to the border with bi-land.

Alright, none of it is as clear cut as that, but I disagree that a 20% preference for the same sex makes you "bisexual".


Well, I doubt it is a bell curve. I think it is more of a biphasic. With a bell curve, the vast majority would have to be near the 50/50 mark, and from what I've seen, that's not how it lies. So it's probably more of a bactrian camel than a dromedary =). The people at the extreme ends (0 or 100%) are certainly gay or straight. The people at the tops of the humps most likely are as well. Then the wide but not so tall valley in the middle are bisexual. Of course, where exactly the humps come down and become the valley is debateable. =)

Well, I doubt it is a bell curve. I think it is more of a biphasic. With a bell curve, the vast majority would have to be near the 50/50 mark, and from what I've seen, that's not how it lies. So it's probably more of a bactrian camel than a dromedary =). The people at the extreme ends (0 or 100%) are certainly gay or straight. The people at the tops of the humps most likely are as well. Then the wide but not so tall valley in the middle are bisexual. Of course, where exactly the humps come down and become the valley is debateable. =)
Oh shit. I'm baffled.

Why, oh, why can't I marry Sinuhue?!? All the good ones are taken.

Oh shit. I'm baffled.

Hehe, it would be easier if I could draw it and send it.

Why is everybody spending so much time trying to calculate who is "homosexual" or "heterosexual" or "bisexual"? Is there a reason we need these distinctions at all?

As far as I am concerned, defining yourself as "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is as silly as defining yourself as a "blondosexual" or a "person-with-good-personal-hygene-osexual." We all have general trends in what/who we are attracted to, including our personal standards for physical attractiveness, but for some reason we feel the need to call particular attention to the shape of the genitals we prefer in our partner. I just don't get why anybody wastes time on this.

I'm so sick of straight teenage girls running around going "Oooh look at me I'm bi-" and then hooking up with a chick in front of a guy to get the guy. STupid fucking whores.
And I'm sick of straight guys assuming that my bisexuality is aimed at satisfying their fetish for girl-on-girl mud wrestling. At least half of the time, when a guy finds out I am bisexual he does that creepy thing with his eyebrows and make some suggestive comment about a threesome...it's just sad.

Why is everybody spending so much time trying to calculate who is "homosexual" or "heterosexual" or "bisexual"? Is there a reason we need these distinctions at all?

As far as I am concerned, defining yourself as "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is as silly as defining yourself as a "blondosexual" or a "person-with-good-personal-hygene-osexual." We all have general trends in what/who we are attracted to, including our personal standards for physical attractiveness, but for some reason we feel the need to call particular attention to the shape of the genitals we prefer in our partner. I just don't get why anybody wastes time on this.


Very well said.

Well, I doubt it is a bell curve. I think it is more of a biphasic. With a bell curve, the vast majority would have to be near the 50/50 mark, and from what I've seen, that's not how it lies. So it's probably more of a bactrian camel than a dromedary =). The people at the extreme ends (0 or 100%) are certainly gay or straight. The people at the tops of the humps most likely are as well. Then the wide but not so tall valley in the middle are bisexual. Of course, where exactly the humps come down and become the valley is debateable. =)
From one stats major to someone who understands thank you :) lol I did not catch that post but you are right with a traditional bell curve the majority of humans would be in the "bisexual" range

Well, I doubt it is a bell curve. I think it is more of a biphasic. With a bell curve, the vast majority would have to be near the 50/50 mark, and from what I've seen, that's not how it lies. So it's probably more of a bactrian camel than a dromedary =). The people at the extreme ends (0 or 100%) are certainly gay or straight. The people at the tops of the humps most likely are as well. Then the wide but not so tall valley in the middle are bisexual. Of course, where exactly the humps come down and become the valley is debateable. =)
Far be it from me to complement you, but I thought you described it well, and I suspect you're correct.

The problem lies in trying to hang a label on everyone. We change. That's what people do. Sexuality is just another aspect of people, it doesn't define us. I was perfectly content with girls until I met the right guy. I have no way of knowing whether the next "Mister Right" will in fact be a "Miss". We'll just have to wait and see.

In my experience, bisexuals are the most accepting people to hang with, everyone can snuggle up in a big ball like kittens in a basket and nobody gets weirded out. UP with bisexuality!

I feel no dislike of any person based on their sexuality. Chicks don't do it for me, no matter what their sexual orientation may be. I tolerate straight men. Gay guys rock my socks. They are pretty cool people in general in my experience, and they are men who like to have sex with other men. That's hot.
Unfortunatly, they don't like chicas. Not at all. I have some good gay guy friends, but none of them love me enough to let me watch....
Therego... Though I may not feel dislike of anyone, I feel a LOT of love for bisexual men.
They do get love.
Mine. Trust me, I've got enough love of guys who swing both ways to go around.
mmmmmmm
Maggie sandwich, bisexual bread....

I've run into the same problem. Though I did have one very close gay friend that was willing to share. Me on one side, bi-guy in the middle, gay guy on the other side of the bed.

Me, I'm mostly straight. While there are rare occasions I find a woman really attractive, I very definitely prefer men. No woman gets my lust up to the "Grr, *drool drool*" level that men do.

I agree...if you can't mix it up a little bit I don't wanna play.

Personally, I think that everyone is Bisexual in some way. I am heterosexual, and have no intention of being Gay.

Far be it from me to complement you,

hehe

Thus helping us all understand why both gay and straight people seem to rationalize dogging on bisexuals. Bitter ex-lovers make poor rational desicions, perhaps the assh*le you got the finger from in your first post had a similar experience to mine (perhaps not).
Could be. But I've had men cheat on me, and I don't blame their heterosexualism for it...I don't know...I just think it's a case of "choose your side or fuck off", and it isn't particularly rational, or fair to expect people to make that 'choice'.

being gay isn't something you can catch... it's genetic.
Are you sure? Wasn't the GAY going around last year?

Are you sure? Wasn't the GAY going around last year?

No, that was SARS. It's a lot less fun, and far less snappily dressed.

As far as I am concerned, defining yourself as "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is as silly as defining yourself as a "blondosexual" or a "person-with-good-personal-hygene-osexual." We all have general trends in what/who we are attracted to, including our personal standards for physical attractiveness, but for some reason we feel the need to call particular attention to the shape of the genitals we prefer in our partner. I just don't get why anybody wastes time on this.
Me neither, but the fact is that they do. And like all things, people like neat categories to fit others into. Which is why the bis piss people off:).

No, that was SARS. It's a lot less fun, and far less snappily dressed.
Oh..yeah:) (I'm so glad that you had the punchline!)

Could be. But I've had men cheat on me, and I don't blame their heterosexualism for it...I don't know...I just think it's a case of "choose your side or fuck off", and it isn't particularly rational, or fair to expect people to make that 'choice'.

I would never cheat on you, lover!!!

Me neither, but the fact is that they do. And like all things, people like neat categories to fit others into. Which is why the bis piss people off:).
I guess so.

Personally, I am attracted to hot people who have personalities compatible with mine. Descriminating based on gender will only serve to reduce the number of potential hot people I can snog...what would be the point?

Me neither, but the fact is that they do. And like all things, people like neat categories to fit others into. Which is why the bis piss people off:).

I have a question. People who say, "gay is genetic" say it as though, "if you're gay, there's no way you would consider a hetero act", and "if you're hetero, there's no way you would consider a gay act".

As though people couldn't, at will, choose to do one or the other. Depending on what strikes them as attractive, or interesting, or fun to do at the time.

As for bisexuals, I sometimes feel they are the only ones who are free. Once you get that label, you don't have to fit into a niche.

I don't resent it - but I believe that at one point or another, most heteros engage in at least one homosexual act in their lives - and few gays have been purely gay their whole lives.

I think anyone who is 100 percent one way or the other is pathological.

I guess so.

Personally, I am attracted to hot people who have personalities compatible with mine. Descriminating based on gender will only serve to reduce the number of potential hot people I can snog...what would be the point?
In my mind? Absolutely none.

I love that word, snog. It's funny:).

I have a question. People who say, "gay is genetic" say it as though, "if you're gay, there's no way you would consider a hetero act", and "if you're hetero, there's no way you would consider a gay act".

As though people couldn't, at will, choose to do one or the other. Depending on what strikes them as attractive, or interesting, or fun to do at the time.

As for bisexuals, I sometimes feel they are the only ones who are free. Once you get that label, you don't have to fit into a niche.

I don't resent it - but I believe that at one point or another, most heteros engage in at least one homosexual act in their lives - and few gays have been purely gay their whole lives.

I think anyone who is 100 percent one way or the other is pathological.
I agree with all of this. But where is the question?

I would never cheat on you, lover!!!
Um...but were I to 'snog' you...I WOULD BE cheating. Sorry.

I just get pissed off with people like this guy I know who went, "I'm bi but I'd never sleep with a man or go out with a man". And this other guy I know who went, "I'm bi-curious" for a bit (though he'd had no sexual experience whatsoever, literally never had a partner or kissed anyone, never even held hands), which consisted of telling me that male members of rock bands were "pretty". Then decided he was straight but reserved the right to say men were pretty.

Maybe I just know jerks :rolleyes:

I think that thinking members of the same sex are "pretty" does not count as being bi. Hell, I find some women sexy and I'd probably kiss a woman (in fact I plan to at uni - I won't kiss boys or my boyfriend might get sad) but I wouldn't call myself bi. If anything the word I'd use is "horny" :p

I agree with all of this. But where is the question?

Why do people place so much importance on the labels?

Labels are restrictive.

*snip*
People say bi, or bi-curious, when they aren't really sure about their sexuality. LOTS of people question their sexuality, and part of that questioning is the gut feeling that you don't neatly fit into hetero or homo, and bi is really all that's left to call yourself. So what if people use the term, then discover it doesn't quite fit them?

By the way...your name is making me hungry.

Why do people place so much importance on the labels?

Labels are restrictive.
Who knows? Fundamental human need to order and place things? I don't get it either...but just think of the row that would ensue were we to say the same thing about unlabelling gender...clearly these labels matter to people in some way.

It would be simpler if anyone could go up to anyone, under most social conditions, and be able to proposition someone without getting:

"No way, I'm no fag! Get away you fag!"

or

"No way, I'm a lesbian! I would never fuck a breeder!"

and so on...

Whatever happened to a polite yes or no? And the confidence that each of us has the ability to do whatever we want sexually?

Whatever happened to a polite yes or no? And the confidence that each of us has the ability to do whatever we want sexually?
That sentence assumes it existed in the first place, and has been lost. I'm not sure it has.

People say bi, or bi-curious, when they aren't really sure about their sexuality. LOTS of people question their sexuality, and part of that questioning is the gut feeling that you don't neatly fit into hetero or homo, and bi is really all that's left to call yourself. So what if people use the term, then discover it doesn't quite fit them?

By the way...your name is making me hungry.

I call myself curious because I actually tried it.

If you're not making at least one attempt, you're not very curious.

That sentence assumes it existed in the first place, and has been lost. I'm not sure it has.

I believe a lot of people don't have that confidence. They feel insulted if someone who isn't a match to their sexual preference shows an interest in them.

I call myself curious because I actually tried it.

If you're not making at least one attempt, you're not very curious.
:D Good point...or not? I don't know...I'm curious about whether or not I could survive a fall from my rooftop...but I'm not all that keen on trying it :eek:

I think you can be curious and PLANNING to try...it's not always that easy to find a willing partner, especially if you're small town. I had to wait until my early twenties, despite a real desire to do it before that.

As a bisexual, I feel that is very un true. I for one am not a slut. Though I'm attracted to both men and women, I've never even thought of dating more then one person at once. I find people on both sides of the gay pride debate offenssive sometimes, and try to seperate myself from them, not be part of both.

Um...but were I to 'snog' you...I WOULD BE cheating. Sorry.

Dammit!

:D Good point...or not? I don't know...I'm curious about whether or not I could survive a fall from my rooftop...but I'm not all that keen on trying it :eek:

I think you can be curious and PLANNING to try...it's not always that easy to find a willing partner, especially if you're small town. I had to wait until my early twenties, despite a real desire to do it before that.

Get a job that requires you to do a lot of living out of the suitcase, travelling around the country.

You'll meet all kinds of people that way.

Get a job that requires you to do a lot of living out of the suitcase, travelling around the country.

You'll meet all kinds of people that way.
Which is basically what I did:) Up until then though, the prospects were sparse. Thus, the timeframe :(

I think alot of pplz just tend to mix up bisexuality and poligamy..... point in case my mom didnt know that there was such a thing as poligamy today (and yes there so is...they had a booth at Boston Pride) and she likes to call bisexual pplz "greedy" I am bi and although yes in the past I have dated more than on person it was all consentual. But now I look for a partener. I just like to keep my options open. I say that I "fall in love" with pplz and not with a particular sex.

Who cares? What's wrong with being a slut? Sluts probably have a good time and people have a good time with sluts. So long as they know they're sluts (and use a condom).
I'm not very curious, though I'm probably bi. Anyway I've missed out being quite old and with the same female partner for 29 years (who I'm as happy with as one is allowed to be in the modern world). Live and let live

Why is everybody spending so much time trying to calculate who is "homosexual" or "heterosexual" or "bisexual"? Is there a reason we need these distinctions at all?

As far as I am concerned, defining yourself as "heterosexual" or "homosexual" is as silly as defining yourself as a "blondosexual" or a "person-with-good-personal-hygene-osexual." We all have general trends in what/who we are attracted to, including our personal standards for physical attractiveness, but for some reason we feel the need to call particular attention to the shape of the genitals we prefer in our partner. I just don't get why anybody wastes time on this.
Sounds like a good point (I was anticipating your take on this topic!) but the sex of the person is a bit more important than their hair colour. I've found girls of all hair colours attractive, but I've never found another man of any hair colour to be hot.

but I've never found another man of any hair colour to be hot.
NEVER ever? Really? Not even a tiny bit....???

Sounds like a good point (I was anticipating your take on this topic!) but the sex of the person is a bit more important than their hair colour. I've found girls of all hair colours attractive, but I've never found another man of any hair colour to be hot.

Her point is that types are not hard and fast so it's kind of pointless to stress them. I might prefer blondes, but I might sometime be attracted to a girl with red hair. You might prefer women but occasionally be attracted to a man. That's her point.

And I'm sick of straight guys assuming that my bisexuality is aimed at satisfying their fetish for girl-on-girl mud wrestling. At least half of the time, when a guy finds out I am bisexual he does that creepy thing with his eyebrows and make some suggestive comment about a threesome...it's just sad.
It's probably just a joke, possibly motivated by insecurity. But if serious, then yeah that's sad.

No, that was SARS. It's a lot less fun, and far less snappily dressed.
Yeah. SARS was so gay.

Personally, I am attracted to hot people who have personalities compatible with mine. Descriminating based on gender will only serve to reduce the number of potential hot people I can snog...what would be the point?
It's not a choice.

NEVER ever? Really? Not even a tiny bit....???
Well, maybe a little bit. :) I am assuming that noticing his attractiveness doesn't in any way count as "finding him hot".

So, not really.

Original point stands.

Many people in this thread seem to be under the impression that being bisexual automatically entails sexual attraction to both genders (and yes, the word "bisexual" would imply this). However, I dated a girl who was bisexual, and she told me that she never "checked out" girls, but rather became interested in/attracted to them after having known them for a period of time. She specifically said that their personalities were what drew her to them, and that appearance only became a factor after this attraction was established. So...I dunno. It seems that there's a lot more shades of gray in the arena of sexuality than many people would believe.

Who cares? What's wrong with being a slut? Sluts probably have a good time and people have a good time with sluts. So long as they know they're sluts (and use a condom).

That's why all the old cultures had VIRGIN sacrafices, nobody would get rid of the sluts! We like our sluts. And you better believe there was a gaurd next to the altar, telling the poor offering, "You know...I could help you with your little virginity problem."

;)

Sounds like a good point (I was anticipating your take on this topic!) but the sex of the person is a bit more important than their hair colour. I've found girls of all hair colours attractive, but I've never found another man of any hair colour to be hot.
Well, I've never found a leper of either gender to be attractive. I don't view my sexual orientation as "bisexual," really, I just think I have different priorities than most people when it comes to choosing a mate. What a person's got in their shorts or up their skirt isn't as important to me as, for instance, their personal hygene.

Many people in this thread seem to be under the impression that being bisexual automatically entails sexual attraction to both genders (and yes, the word "bisexual" would imply this). However, I dated a girl who was bisexual, and she told me that she never "checked out" girls, but rather became interested in/attracted to them after having known them for a period of time. She specifically said that their personalities were what drew her to them, and that appearance only became a factor after this attraction was established. So...I dunno. It seems that there's a lot more shades of gray in the arena of sexuality than many people would believe.

Yes, but that attraction was still of a sexual nature, or it was just a friendship type of thing. I tend to be the same way. I can look at a girl and determine whether or not I find her physically attractive, but I have never been drawn to a physically attractive woman in the same way as I have been to men. I explained it to a friend of mine once in this way:

I can see a cute guy and think to myself that I might like to get to know him to date him. When I see a cute girl, I just think "she's cute," and that's it. I'm not really thinking about wanting to get together with her in a romantic way. However, as I get to know someone, I can start to fall for someone of either sex, and then sexual attraction grows, and so on...

Of course, I'm not interested in a long-term relationship with anyone until I have gotten to know them very well - and I'm not interested in sex outside of a long-term relationship (although before I was in one, I wasn't above a little kissing every now and then =)

I think you guys are right. Bisexuals get no love. I have had quite a few bisexual buddies (mostly girls) and they have gotten harshness from lesbians in particular. Though I am willing to agree that at present it is probably harder to be a bisexual dude.

Frankly, I am of the opinion that two guys together are HOTT...thus I can't harsh on the dudes for their lesbo fantasy.

I can see the attraction to either gender.

Just because I prefer one over the other, doesn't mean other people have to as well.

That's why all the old cultures had VIRGIN sacrafices, nobody would get rid of the sluts! We like our sluts. And you better believe there was a gaurd next to the altar, telling the poor offering, "You know...I could help you with your little virginity problem."

;)
Wow, now that's the kind of Good Samaritan act I could really get enthusiastic about!

C'mon, guys, let's go save some sacrifices!

Wow, now that's the kind of Good Samaritan act I could really get enthusiastic about!

C'mon, guys, let's go save some sacrifices!
You'd be hard pressed to find virgins of legal age of consent these days...

You'd be hard pressed to find virgins of legal age of consent these days...
Lol then lets go back to the good ol days everyone talks to ….


And lower it to around 12 or so :rolleyes: :p

you know the ancient Greeks and Romans believed that is was unnatural to be attracted to exclusively one gender.

you know the ancient Greeks and Romans believed that is was unnatural to be attracted to exclusively one gender.
And they were happy little catamites! Happy! See!!!???

You'd be hard pressed to find virgins of legal age of consent these days...
Too true, the little sluts. One might even get the impression that they were somehow averse to the idea of being used in human sacrifices...I know that's why I lost my virginity...

Well, I've never found a leper of either gender to be attractive. I don't view my sexual orientation as "bisexual," really, I just think I have different priorities than most people when it comes to choosing a mate. What a person's got in their shorts or up their skirt isn't as important to me as, for instance, their personal hygene.
So what about those of us to whom it does matter what a person's got in their shorts or up their skirt? Obviously that's not the only criteria, but it's pretty damn important.

What I mean is that both homosexuals and heterosexuals have this distrust of bisexuals...this antipathy towards their refusal to settle down on one side of the spectrum. I was at a pride party this Saturday, and heard one very loud gay man espousing on the 'evils' of bisexuality, and how he just didn't 'buy' it.

His argument was this. Bisexuals are sluts. This is evidenced by the fact of their undiscriminating taste in sexual partners, gender wise. They are fakes who want to be accepted by the gay and straight communities, and "you can't have your cake and eat it too!" Many bisexuals settle down into straight marriages, and this is proof positive that they aren't really into the same sex. They are opportunists who masquerade as gay once in a while just to 'try something new'.

I was bristling at this loud little commentary...and at the fact that he'd attracted quite a crowd of people who clearly agreed with him. Being the shit-disturber I am, (and fueled by about seven gin and tonics, which for me if the equivalent of 'enough liquor to drop an elephant'), I jumped up on a picnic table and,

"Happy fucking pride everyone! Happy pride to the gays and lesbians and transgenders and transsexuals, but not to those fucking dirty bisexuals! Hey, you can have as many partners as you want, and it's no ones business, but everyone knows that the second you sleep with more than one gender, your hormones go completely out of wack, and you become and uber-slut! We all know who spread the diseases around here...don't we, folks? Those undiscriminating, fuck-alls, the bis, that's who! They want to be gay, but suffer none of the prejudices gays face, so they go and "hide" in straight relationships, sneaking out once in a while to get a 'gay fix'. I mean, make a choice, already! Gay or straight! You can't be both! We're all about celebrating differences, but you have to DECIDE what 'difference' you want to belong to first! You can't just waffle back and forth all your life! So up with the homos, the drag queens, the straights, the butches, the bitches, the tops, the bottoms, but down with those dirty, fake, slutty bis!"

Well, just like in NS, sometimes people don't get sarcasm...but luckily for me, most people in this case did. I got swept onto some broad, sequined shoulders and paraded around the patio:) The guy I'd aimed my little rant at gave me the finger, and toasted me with a grin, though I doubt I really changed his mind.

Point being...bisexuality is legitimate. In my mind, it's MORE legitimate than purely homo or heterosexual. It varies...a man may be 70/30 in favour of women...but he isn't straight, and he isn't homosexual. I would argue (without any actual proof of course:)) that 100% straight or gay people are in the minority. What do you think?
ROFLOL! :p :fluffle:

So what about those of us to whom it does matter what a person's got in their shorts or up their skirt? Obviously that's not the only criteria, but it's pretty damn important.
I know that it's important to most people, but to me that's like saying that you are going to only become romantically involved with people who have "outie" bellybuttons, or only people who have a ring finger longer than their index finger. I respect that it is a priority for you, just as I respect that some people are simply more attracted to blondes than they are to brunettes, even though I can't help but notice all the really hot brunettes in the world :). The only thing that bothers me is when people try to claim that their preference in genital shape is some how different than preference in belly button shape, or that caring about somebody else's genitals is somehow more important a preference than something "shallow" like choosing based on hair color. They're equally unimportant, in my opinion, and I find it sad when people try to convince me (or themselves) that one is more "shallow" than the other.

And the confidence that each of us has the ability to do whatever we want sexually?
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