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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/16/serial.molestation.ap/

A 63-year-old has recently been arrested for child molestation. He had been convicted of child molestation before and although he hasn't been charged with 36,000 cases of child molestation, they found notebooks in his house with 36,000 names (mostly boys) and codes to indicate how he molested them.

So, potentially, this guy is the worst child molester in history.

I just hope they don't give him the death penalty. That would be too easy.

That...is...just...sick!

If he molested one child per day, it would take 98 years to molest that many children... and he's supposed to have written all 36.000 down?

This smells fishy.

The best part is that a good chunk of those boys will become child molestors themselves and most of them will develop bipolar disorder.

Wow. 36,000? How does one even have enough time for that many victims?
Is that even possible?

Also, look at the guy...
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/US/06/16/serial.molestation.ap/story.vert.dean.ap.jpg
I swear the guy is a zombie.

Look at that number: 36,000. If he committed one molestation a day, he could do around 1 thousand in 3 years...lets say he started this around age...18? So, for 45 years lets say he's been molesting children every day. That number only adds up to 15 thousand. Which means...he'd have to have molested about two people EVERY SINGLE DAY since he turned 18. What the hell? That's...really...sick.

2 people every day for 45 years...

However, even if this number is not accurate, just the molestation alone is sick.

Drat, ya'll beat me to it! With all those numbers, it seems I was a bit late. haha, no worries.

Gotta love that Left Coast justice. :)

oh yeah, I heard about this. I also heard that when they went to his house they found that there was a gateway to HADES in his basement that had opened up due to the pure concentrated levels of EVIL he exuded just be existing. The evil was so powerful that independent scientists have PROVEN that it actually causes cancer of the fluff in all kittens, puppies, and miscelanious cute animals that come within 20 miles of the house. There's no evidence to back this up of course, but it's still scientific FACT. he also votes Democrat, but you probably guessed that already.

Maybe he committed an overhead perversion from a helicopter?

/obscure reference

Hey Shrub, it sounds like you've been busy. How'd you have the time to diddle all of them kids?

I think that the best punishment would be a sudden prison guard strike, when he's in prison and out with the other inmates. Prisoners are hard on child molesters, and if the guards aren't there, he'll be flayed alive.

Even when guards were there, one molester was made to sit on the sauna stove by other inmates.

It's times like these that 'no cruel and unusual punishment' should conveniently be overlooked. :sniper:

Obviously this figure is not correct. Even if we assume he began molesting and keeping notes at 14, we still have to account for the fact that he spent 12 years in prison throughout his life, during which of course he cannot molest anyone, which leaves him with 37 years to molest 36,000 children, in other words he would have to molest an average of 3 new children every single day. Obviously, this did not happen. So, what is a reasonable explenation? well, the notebooks are written in code, authorities are guessing that the codes stand for certain sexual acts and those are all children he has molested. Obviously, they are guessing wrong. The codes mean something else and the names in the note book are not victims.

36,000 kids in at best 37 years? thats a busy man

id have to agree that is it impossible to perform that many acts of molestation on children who dont live with you. so unless he was running a foster home no way.

even wilt chamberlain only claimed to have had 20,000 women

Hey Shrub, it sounds like you've been busy. How'd you have the time to diddle all of them kids?

Talk like that will net you a forumban quick.

well let's mix this up a little,even if he didn't molest anyone in his prison years, I doubt very much this really was a sex free time of this man's life. It takes time to work up the right relationship with kids, where did he get the time to cultivate his victims? I suspect he may have been useing commerical sources here. It's the only way it could have all happened fast enough for high numbers. I doubt the numbers are accurate. Codes are designed to confuse people you don't want reading your stuff. What I don't get is keeping records when doing something illegal. Why do people do that? That's just stupid!
Yeah he looks creepy too. Still that could just be the ageing process, which isn't necessarily a kind process.

well let's mix this up a little,even if he didn't molest anyone in his prison years, I doubt very much this really was a sex free time of this man's life. It takes time to work up the right relationship with kids, where did he get the time to cultivate his victims? I suspect he may have been useing commerical sources here. It's the only way it could have all happened fast enough for high numbers. I doubt the numbers are accurate. Codes are designed to confuse people you don't want reading your stuff. What I don't get is keeping records when doing something illegal. Why do people do that? That's just stupid!
Yeah he looks creepy too. Still that could just be the ageing process, which isn't necessarily a kind process.

He may have used commercial sources on occasion, but there is still no way he couldve reached 36,000. What I think is more likely is that the list is composed not of actual victims, but of children he found attractive and would like to have sex with. We know he was a coach for some time, among other things. It is conceivable that he met 36,000 children he found attractive in 37 years, it is not concievable that he had sex with all of them.

In any case, what we can be sure on about this case is that it illustrates how the media sensationalizes things. Do you really think the investigators and people in the media cant do the simple math to realize this is impossible? Of course they can, what they are counting on is that their viewers cant.

forewarning - I can't hlep myself

I think he had some Michael Jackson juice and his face is melting off

He should be castrated with a butter knife, without being given anesthesia.

Somehow I doubt that number is accurate. Just because he can write names in a book doesn't mean it actually all happened. I mean I could write in a book the names of 10 hot supermodels and detail, in code, how I would, ahem, molest them. But that didn't mean I actually did it. Besides, whatever happened to innocent before proven guilty? Or hell, until at least charged with 36,000. I think we all better take a breather and realize just cuz some cop pulls a big number out of his ass, doesn't mean we have the Worst Child Molestor in History.

(What's up with this anyway? By giving each child molestor who has books filled with names the dubious honor of 'worst in history' and trumping the number around, you're actually catering to these guys' fantasies. But hey let's make them famous as if they're actually achieving accomplishments worthy of a new thread about each week. Who's the child molestor of THIS week, Bob? let's give him lots of fame and attention. That won't incourage anyone ELSE who molests kids and desires power. No sir.)

Whispering Legs made a thread about this earlier in the week.

It's times like these that 'no cruel and unusual punishment' should conveniently be overlooked. :sniper:


Not in civilization, it shouldnt.

notice

there was already a thread exactly like this.

end.

Just plain repulsive. People like him deserve the book thrown at them.

Obviously this figure is not correct. Even if we assume he began molesting and keeping notes at 14, we still have to account for the fact that he spent 12 years in prison throughout his life, during which of course he cannot molest anyone, which leaves him with 37 years to molest 36,000 children, in other words he would have to molest an average of 3 new children every single day. Obviously, this did not happen. So, what is a reasonable explenation? well, the notebooks are written in code, authorities are guessing that the codes stand for certain sexual acts and those are all children he has molested. Obviously, they are guessing wrong. The codes mean something else and the names in the note book are not victims.

I wouldn't be surprised if the code was actually some ancient language still being used in the underworld. In my personal opinion, Child molesters are a few notches LOWER than minions of satan (Considering the criminals have free will and the servants do not).

The authorities have yet to break his code for the entries. As has already been suggested, many of these may have just been plans/wishful thinking/fatansies on his part.

And yes, Whispering legs did already have a thread about the same guy.

Gotta love that Left Coast justice. :)


Wow you made a funny! :rolleyes:

Obviously this figure is not correct. Even if we assume he began molesting and keeping notes at 14, we still have to account for the fact that he spent 12 years in prison throughout his life, during which of course he cannot molest anyone, which leaves him with 37 years to molest 36,000 children, in other words he would have to molest an average of 3 new children every single day. Obviously, this did not happen. So, what is a reasonable explenation? well, the notebooks are written in code, authorities are guessing that the codes stand for certain sexual acts and those are all children he has molested. Obviously, they are guessing wrong. The codes mean something else and the names in the note book are not victims.

Well, if you're going to bring common sense into the equation...*guffaws*...I mean, really - what's it take to get a lynch-mob fever burning these days?

Evidence?

Well, if you're going to bring common sense into the equation...*guffaws*...I mean, really - what's it take to get a lynch-mob fever burning these days?

Evidence?

They have solid evidence on several children, including one 12-yr old boy.

One is enough for me to get a rope.

Even if the names are wishful thinking, we're still talking about 1,000 a year. Even as a coach, he's highly unlikely to have seen 1,000 new people each year and to have wanted them all and remember their names. If there are 36,000 names in these books, as suggested, then they are almost certainly overwhelmingly made up. Think about your school (there were around 1,000 students at mine), for example, did you know every single student there? Now imagine meeting that many new people every year for 30 odd years?

Of course, even if one's real, that's enough to try and convict him.

He should be castrated with a butter knife, without being given anesthesia.
And then quartered and boiled in oil and hung from the highest tree, that will show 'em damn sickos!
Does anyone take into consideration that a child molestor of this proportions who even writes down his crimes might be simply mentally ill? Insane?
Im all for chemical castration and locking him in an mental institute for life, but the primitive mob mentality looking to overdo themselves in coming up with the most cruel and unusual punishment really gets my goat. How do you think you are better than the criminals when dreaming on how to get a as inhumane as possible revenge for a crime that did not even hurt one of your loved ones? On a man who is positively sick but not necessarily able to grasp what he is doing?

And then quartered and boiled in oil and hung from the highest tree, that will show 'em damn sickos!
Does anyone take into consideration that a child molestor of this proportions who even writes down his crimes might be simply mentally ill? Insane?
Im all for chemical castration and locking him in an mental institute for life, but the primitive mob mentality looking to overdo themselves in coming up with the most cruel and unusual punishment really gets my goat. How do you think you are better than the criminals when dreaming on how to get a as inhumane as possible revenge for a crime that did not even hurt one of your loved ones? On a man who is positively sick but not necessarily able to grasp what he is doing?

If someone is so sick that he doesn't know right from wrong, then he won't hide his crime. If the compulsion is so strong that he can't control it, then I'm sure that if he ran into a 10 year old girl in front of the police station, the mere presence of police would not stop him from stripping her and molesting her right there.

I don't really care if he knows right from wrong. If we know he did it, and we know that molesters ALWAYS will do it again if given an opportunity, then we need to do something to make sure he can't harm anyone ever again.

Personally, I think a reusable rope is a good idea. Hang him by the neck until he dies, the body rots, and the bones finally fall apart. He won't be molesting anyone ever again.

And how does a prison-level mental institute not make sure he is locked away for public safety? No, going barbaric is the only way, right?

And how does a prison-level mental institute not make sure he is locked away for public safety? No, going barbaric is the only way, right?

If he's alive, he can escape or be released by some future government.

If he's alive, he can escape or be released by some future government.


"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."


You can move to somalia if you want to act like a barbarian.

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

You can move to somalia if you want to act like a barbarian.

You can move there if you don't agree with the Supreme Court.

The death penalty so far is not "cruel and unusual" punishment.

You can move there if you don't agree with the Supreme Court.

The death penalty so far is not "cruel and unusual" punishment.
Surely it's every American's right to disagree with the Supreme Court?

Surely it's every American's right to disagree with the Supreme Court?

You can disagree all you like. You just can't insist that just because I want to lethally inject convicted criminals (and they DO in Virginia) that I should move to Somalia.

I'm not a barbarian - I'm following the law. And the law says we execute certain convicted criminals using lawful procedures.

I fail to see how that makes me a barbarian.

I love how someone's opinion to execute this piece of shit becomes the problem and question.

We somehow need some verification of the 36,000 acts. Everyone gets out their scientific pedophile calculator from Texas Instruments to calculate if its possible.

Maybe someone exaggerated and this scumbag ONLY violated 3,600 children. Maybe ONLY 360.

Put the MF'er down. Dont gibber about the minutia. Chop his head off and cremate the corpse. No memorial, no ceremony no marker no pine box. Flush the ashes down a toilet and move on to the next sociopath that abused his right to be a part of society.

End of story.

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."


You can move to somalia if you want to act like a barbarian.


This might be a good idea for those who think the death penalty is wrong- send the pedophile to Somalia. Its the perfect place.

This might be a good idea for those who think the death penalty is wrong- send the pedophile to Somalia. Its the perfect place.

No, I think that for all those who oppose the death penalty for child molesters should be required to have one live in their house with no restraints - around their children.

Then we'll see how well rehabilitation works.

Oh, and I almost forgot - the parents should have NO access to weapons of any kind. They should, as is their desire, rely completely on a 911 call to summon police in case of danger or trouble.

I love how someone's opinion to execute this piece of shit becomes the problem and question.

We somehow need some verification of the 36,000 acts. Everyone gets out their scientific pedophile calculator from Texas Instruments to calculate if its possible.

Maybe someone exaggerated and this scumbag ONLY violated 3,600 children. Maybe ONLY 360.

Put the MF'er down. Dont gibber about the minutia. Chop his head off and cremate the corpse. No memorial, no ceremony no marker no pine box. Flush the ashes down a toilet and move on to the next sociopath that abused his right to be a part of society.

End of story.

And maybe it was zero. That's why the law is predicated on the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven - and why lynch-mobs are criminals.

No, I think that for all those who oppose the death penalty for child molesters should be required to have one live in their house with no restraints - around their children.

Then we'll see how well rehabilitation works.

Oh, and I almost forgot - the parents should have NO access to weapons of any kind. They should, as is their desire, rely completely on a 911 call to summon police in case of danger or trouble.

You've conflated two unrelated issues. Gun ownership and the death penalty have nothing to do with one another. Personally, I'm anti gun ownership, but then I live in a country with a far lower crime rate than you and we don't need them. However, I can see why someone might shoot someone who interfered with his kids but be politically opposed to a death penalty. They're just not the same issue.

And, incidentally, I never said I was against the death penalty - I said it was the right of everyone to disagree with the ruling of the Supreme Court and, if that's how they feel, to oppose the death penalty in their own state too. Just because the Court has made a decision does not mean everyone has to agree with it immediately - that's not the idea your country is founded on.

No, I think that for all those who oppose the death penalty for child molesters should be required to have one live in their house with no restraints - around their children.

Then we'll see how well rehabilitation works.

Oh, and I almost forgot - the parents should have NO access to weapons of any kind. They should, as is their desire, rely completely on a 911 call to summon police in case of danger or trouble.


Hmmm-Like some "Quartering Act" for pedophiles? This may just work!!

Just think how the rehab would work-instead of being in the harsh and hostile confines of the prison-where they could fall victim to unspeakable acts, they could flourish and bask in a sense of well being, in an atmosphere of acceptance and support.
maybe they could make a "Nanny 911" type show, where counselors visit the home to see how the surrogate family is doing with their adopted felon. If they do well, maybe the Nanny's would send them to Sesame Place or Disney World.

And maybe it was zero. That's why the law is predicated on the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven - and why lynch-mobs are criminals.

Currently, the evidence they have against him is not just the notebooks. There are several children - one of whom was a 12 year old with "DNA evidence".

Yes, there will be a trial. But don't get your hopes up thinking that he's innocent.

Hmmm-Like some "Quartering Act" for pedophiles? This may just work!!

Just think how the rehab would work-instead of being in the harsh and hostile confines of the prison-where they could fall victim to unspeakable acts, they could flourish and bask in a sense of well being, in an atmosphere of acceptance and support.
maybe they could make a "Nanny 911" type show, where counselors visit the home to see how the surrogate family is doing with their adopted felon. If they do well, maybe the Nanny's would send them to Sesame Place or Disney World.


Yes, I'm all for this idea. I also think that if the pedophile leaves the house and victimizes someone else in the neighborhood, the surrogate family should be subjected to unlimited damages in lawsuits.

Yes, if they are for "rehabilitation" (which has been proven so many times in the US not to work at all), then they should suffer the immediate consequences of its failure - and I mean immediate.

And maybe it was zero. That's why the law is predicated on the assumption of innocence until guilt is proven - and why lynch-mobs are criminals.


I never said to carry out any punishment before he's proven guilty-So dont waste your breath trying to make it look like I'm unreasonable.

And I havent suggested a lynch mob. We havent seen any of those in these parts in a 100 yrs.

Try to stay on track.

Currently, the evidence they have against him is not just the notebooks. There are several children - one of whom was a 12 year old with "DNA evidence".

Yes, there will be a trial. But don't get your hopes up thinking that he's innocent.

Way to misinterpret. Thanks for representing me as someone who hopes a paedophile is acquitted. My statement was nothing of the sort, but if he's been judged already then your system of justice is a joke. All I said was that he was entitled to a fair trial, you seem to disagree, fair enough, just pray you're never falsely accused.

I never said to carry out any punishment before he's proven guilty-So dont waste your breath trying to make it look like I'm unreasonable.

And I havent suggested a lynch mob. We havent seen any of those in these parts in a 100 yrs.

Try to stay on track.

I didn't suggest you were! I said that was WHY lynching is a crime - even if he did it and even if it's 100% clear he did it, he's entitled to a fair trial. Mob justice is wrong, you don't know the full details, so you're judging him on your gut and that is wrong too.

Yes, I'm all for this idea. I also think that if the pedophile leaves the house and victimizes someone else in the neighborhood, the surrogate family should be subjected to unlimited damages in lawsuits.



Hopefully, they could add a rider to their insurance policy to cover their guest.

I cant wait till this passes- think of the burden taken off the system!!

I can see the volvo station wagon on the road now-with a "Dont tailgate -rehabbing Pedophile on board" yellow caution sign in the back window.

Maybe, they'll get a special parking spot at the supermarket too!

I didn't suggest you were! I said that was WHY lynching is a crime - even if he did it and even if it's 100% clear he did it, he's entitled to a fair trial. Mob justice is wrong, you don't know the full details, so you're judging him on your gut and that is wrong too.


Why is it that we're assuming I want this guy killed before he is tried?

Why is it that we're assuming I want this guy killed before he is tried?

I'm not! That is in no way what I said.

Why is it that we're assuming I want this guy killed before he is tried?

Apparently he's not aware of the conviction rates for felonies in the US. For clients who aren't Michael Jackson, or Robert Blake, or OJ Simpson, the conviction rates for felonies are really high. Depending on location, between 80 and 85 percent.

That's because the DA is very selective - he or she isn't going to prosecute a case unless they think they have you.

There seems to be the odd perception that somehow, half or more of the people tried for felonies walk - that the police make so many mistakes that more than half the time, the wrong person is arrested.

Yes, there is the assumption of innocence. But the probable cause landed your criminal in jail. And the DA has a pretty good feeling about frying the criminal - or they would find a way for you to walk.

Only the really rich have a good chance - and then, even if they ARE guilty, there's a good chance they'll walk.

Yes, there is the assumption of innocence. But the probable cause landed your criminal in jail. And the DA has a pretty good feeling about frying the criminal - or they would find a way for you to walk.

In every system the public prosecutor makes decisions on which cases to try and which not, you're not unique and I'm not ignorant. But in every legal system in the world mistakes have been made and innocent men and women convicted. That's why a trial is important and why people whould not be quick to judge when not in possession of all the evidence. I'll happily grant that this guy is likely guilty, but he still must get due process or you destroy the very foundation of your system of law. That's all I'm saying.

Now, Carnivorous_Licker try to understand that when I say "you", I don't necessarily mean you personally, I might well mean you as a nation. I'm not having a pop at you.

In this case, I think it will be rather like watching the Ferrari team parade around the track...

If he molested one child per day, it would take 98 years to molest that many children... and he's supposed to have written all 36.000 down?

This smells fishy.
Imagine a newborn rapist! :eek:

In this case, I think it will be rather like watching the Ferrari team parade around the track...
And if he is convicted, fair enough, he can expect no less than the harshest penalty allowed under the law in his jurisdiction. It's still no cause for malicious glee, at least not in a civilized country.

oh yeah, I heard about this. I also heard that when they went to his house they found that there was a gateway to HADES in his basement that had opened up due to the pure concentrated levels of EVIL he exuded just be existing. The evil was so powerful that independent scientists have PROVEN that it actually causes cancer of the fluff in all kittens, puppies, and miscelanious cute animals that come within 20 miles of the house. There's no evidence to back this up of course, but it's still scientific FACT. he also votes Democrat, but you probably guessed that already.

Why don't you start a witch burning for liberals... Geeze...

When it comes to the word molest, there is a little problem of definition. If it means he took 36,000 children into a private place, and screwed them, then, yes, he would be a busy man. But molestation can also include inappropriate touching, meaning he could have gone to a public place, touched a hundred of their asses and gone back home to write about it in those notebooks without the victims ever having known anything.
If my math is correct, and assuming he began at 23 (40 years of molesting children) that would mean 900 children a year or 2 or 3 per day.
Even if he never actually raped a single child (although I would guess he probably did) he would still be a sick bastard, and I would kill him if he came near any of my younger relatives. I hope they gang-rape him every day in prison.

He's certainly a future Guiness Book entry!!! :eek:

Way to misinterpret. Thanks for representing me as someone who hopes a paedophile is acquitted. My statement was nothing of the sort, but if he's been judged already then your system of justice is a joke. All I said was that he was entitled to a fair trial, you seem to disagree, fair enough, just pray you're never falsely accused.


Americans are no longer "wired" that evidence or and sort of rational investigation needs to take place. They wants to attack and seems completely out for blood. Unfortunately their state mades them like this, so its not their fault.

A perfect example is the Newfoundland child in Massachusetts currently on trial for attempting to "blow up his school". He made model rockets, and although he may have threatened, it's certainly not tenable. Model rockets, no bombs were in the house and no plans to make any. He's a 13 year old boy from Newfoundland. You can "joke" in other countries, but in the US, they are much to wired to understand the irrationality of their actions. But they are scared and indoctrinated into it. We can't really blame them.

They don't have anyone to help them, no one assists them like in the democratic nations, like... France, or Germany, or Netherlands or Canada. They have no medicare, so they have to get their own insurance. Can you imagine going to a hospital and being DENIED help? Americans know... Americans think it happens on the basis of religion, or colour or money. They are programmed to chase money from over 1000 advertising signals per person per week. Thats alot of advertising, giving conflicting signals to them all the time through a preprogrammed media focused on forcing more consumption.

Remember that Americans are being attacked by their government all the time. The government is basically reducing the economy to the "Gilded Age" of the 1880s. Where worker rights and unions are pretty much non-existant. And they threaten to pull a factory as leverage against the workers to make them more compliant. They are constantly being duped and they are constantly told to trust the people duping them.

Their corporations pretty much rule them. there is no more free market, The idea of competition between these giants has been removed. They are pretty fine with splitting us all into one of 6 corporations. Eventually there will really be nothing left that is even "America" anymore. Just a giant working manufacturing plant constructing more war machine parts and luxuries for rich people.

The average American also has no idea how much blood as been split in their name. Its the only country condemned for "unlawful force" (international terrorism) by the world court. Subsequently after that ruling the US doesn't deal with the UN except to veto resolutions that potentially slow it or Israel down. Thats systematic and complict action which amount to the deaths of over 5 million, once you including the 4 million killed by US sponsored Indonesia's war on the tribal villiages of East Timor.

The Americans are not aware of this because they are not allowed to be, and the intellectuals know full well these actions are illegal, immoral and compltely unjust, but they still clap and such when George Bush spills his lies and his corporate buddies get ever more money.

I recommend strongly that you assist them in overcoming the horrible indoctrination they have and help them find the truth about their country and perhaps we can assist in starting the resistance movement before the actual declaration of World War 3.

Americans are no longer "wired" that evidence or and sort of rational investigation needs to take place. They wants to attack and seems completely out for blood. Unfortunately their state mades them like this, so its not their fault.

They don't have anyone to help them, no one assists them like in the democratic nations, like... France, or Germany, or Netherlands or Canada. They have no medicare, so they have to get their own insurance. Can you imagine going to a hospital and being DENIED help? Americans know... Americans think it happens on the basis of religion, or colour or money. They are programmed to chase money from over 1000 advertising signals per person per week. Thats alot of advertising, giving conflicting signals to them all the time through a preprogrammed media focused on forcing more consumption.

Remember that Americans are being attacked by their government all the time. The government is basically reducing the economy to the "Gilded Age" of the 1880s. Where worker rights and unions are pretty much non-existant. And they threaten to pull a factory as leverage against the workers to make them more compliant. They are constantly being duped and they are constantly told to trust the people duping them.

Their corporations pretty much rule them. there is no more free market, The idea of competition between these giants has been removed. They are pretty fine with splitting us all into one of 6 corporations. Eventually there will really be nothing left that is even "America" anymore. Just a giant working manufacturing plant constructing more war machine parts and luxuries for rich people.

The average American also has no idea how much blood as been split in their name. Its the only country condemned for "unlawful force" (international terrorism) by the world court. Subsequently after that ruling the US doesn't deal with the UN except to veto resolutions that potentially slow it or Israel down. Thats systematic and complict action which amount to the deaths of over 5 million, once you including the 4 million killed by US sponsored Indonesia's war on the tribal villiages of East Timor.

The Americans are not aware of this because they are not allowed to be, and the intellectuals know full well these actions are illegal, immoral and compltely unjust, but they still clap and such when George Bush spills his lies and his corporate buddies get ever more money.

I recommend strongly that you assist them in overcoming the horrible indoctrination they have and help them find the truth about their country and perhaps we can assist in starting the resistance movement before the actual declaration of World War 3.

Wow-you couldnt really be more misguided and incorrect. Is it deliberate? You have a lot of learning to do before gushing this amount of cock-eyed blather.

Wow-you couldnt really be more misguided and incorrect. Is it deliberate? You have a lot of learning to do before gushing this amount of cock-eyed blather.

It always fascinates to see the judgment of non-Americans on what actually might be going on over here.

I had my relatives from Austria over last summer. They were quite shocked that a) I carried a gun all the time, and b) they never saw any gunplay.

I think they were expecting a cross between NYPD Blue and some action movie, but nothing ever happened. They looked disappointed that I didn't have an accident with my pistol, nor did my children get hold of it and shoot up the block.

Americans are no longer "wired" that evidence or and sort of rational investigation needs to take place. They wants to attack and seems completely out for blood. Unfortunately their state mades them like this, so its not their fault.

A perfect example is the Newfoundland child in Massachusetts currently on trial for attempting to "blow up his school". He made model rockets, and although he may have threatened, it's certainly not tenable. Model rockets, no bombs were in the house and no plans to make any. He's a 13 year old boy from Newfoundland. You can "joke" in other countries, but in the US, they are much to wired to understand the irrationality of their actions. But they are scared and indoctrinated into it. We can't really blame them.

They don't have anyone to help them, no one assists them like in the democratic nations, like... France, or Germany, or Netherlands or Canada. They have no medicare, so they have to get their own insurance. Can you imagine going to a hospital and being DENIED help? Americans know... Americans think it happens on the basis of religion, or colour or money. They are programmed to chase money from over 1000 advertising signals per person per week. Thats alot of advertising, giving conflicting signals to them all the time through a preprogrammed media focused on forcing more consumption.

Remember that Americans are being attacked by their government all the time. The government is basically reducing the economy to the "Gilded Age" of the 1880s. Where worker rights and unions are pretty much non-existant. And they threaten to pull a factory as leverage against the workers to make them more compliant. They are constantly being duped and they are constantly told to trust the people duping them.

Their corporations pretty much rule them. there is no more free market, The idea of competition between these giants has been removed. They are pretty fine with splitting us all into one of 6 corporations. Eventually there will really be nothing left that is even "America" anymore. Just a giant working manufacturing plant constructing more war machine parts and luxuries for rich people.

The average American also has no idea how much blood as been split in their name. Its the only country condemned for "unlawful force" (international terrorism) by the world court. Subsequently after that ruling the US doesn't deal with the UN except to veto resolutions that potentially slow it or Israel down. Thats systematic and complict action which amount to the deaths of over 5 million, once you including the 4 million killed by US sponsored Indonesia's war on the tribal villiages of East Timor.

The Americans are not aware of this because they are not allowed to be, and the intellectuals know full well these actions are illegal, immoral and compltely unjust, but they still clap and such when George Bush spills his lies and his corporate buddies get ever more money.

I recommend strongly that you assist them in overcoming the horrible indoctrination they have and help them find the truth about their country and perhaps we can assist in starting the resistance movement before the actual declaration of World War 3.


You really put the "Krack" in Krackonis. Maybe leave a rock or two out next time.

When it comes to the word molest, there is a little problem of definition. If it means he took 36,000 children into a private place, and screwed them, then, yes, he would be a busy man. But molestation can also include inappropriate touching, meaning he could have gone to a public place, touched a hundred of their asses and gone back home to write about it in those notebooks without the victims ever having known anything.
If my math is correct, and assuming he began at 23 (40 years of molesting children) that would mean 900 children a year or 2 or 3 per day.
Even if he never actually raped a single child (although I would guess he probably did) he would still be a sick bastard, and I would kill him if he came near any of my younger relatives. I hope they gang-rape him every day in prison.

Why not just be normal and say "If he's guilty before a court of law, then he's guilty and they will take him away, and if he's innocent, then he's a a weird old bastard"? Otherwise, whatever moral compass your using is bent in odd ways.

I mean, shouldn't the trial come before the punishment...

Oh, wait, yeah... It's America... they do it differently there... They lock you up, and then torture you, piss on your holy books, flush them down the toilet and deny you access to council for "the rest of time".

Congratulations land of the free, home of the brave!

It always fascinates to see the judgment of non-Americans on what actually might be going on over here.

I had my relatives from Austria over last summer. They were quite shocked that a) I carried a gun all the time, and b) they never saw any gunplay.

I think they were expecting a cross between NYPD Blue and some action movie, but nothing ever happened. They looked disappointed that I didn't have an accident with my pistol, nor did my children get hold of it and shoot up the block.


Sheds a little light on what their media reports to them. And what they are willing to swallow-hook, line and sinker.

I'm confused though- dont you tell someone to "Go ahead-make my day" at least once a day? Dont all those one liners come with the owner's manual to every new gun in the US?

It always fascinates to see the judgment of non-Americans on what actually might be going on over here.

I had my relatives from Austria over last summer. They were quite shocked that a) I carried a gun all the time, and b) they never saw any gunplay.

I think they were expecting a cross between NYPD Blue and some action movie, but nothing ever happened. They looked disappointed that I didn't have an accident with my pistol, nor did my children get hold of it and shoot up the block.


Ummm... That's a right of your constitution... I am complaining about things AGAINST your constitution. Carry a gun or don't. in your country... We don't do that, but, we don't have a culture of fear either. I doubt there are even any doors locked around here... So you need it.. ok... Protect yourself. Good for you. :fluffle:

Congratulations land of the free, home of the brave!


Thanks! And one more good thing about the USA- your posts seem to indicate you arent here-and thats a plus in my book.

Sheds a little light on what their media reports to them. And what they are willing to swallow-hook, line and sinker.

I'm confused though- dont you tell someone to "Go ahead-make my day" at least once a day? Dont all those one liners come with the owner's manual to every new gun in the US?

No, but I have a Clint Eastwood DVD collection just so I can practice my lines while I practice my draw. :rolleyes:

You really put the "Krack" in Krackonis. Maybe leave a rock or two out next time.

Thanks for the insult. Clever, can I write it down?

Thanks! And one more good thing about the USA- your posts seem to indicate you arent here-and thats a plus in my book.

I am not in your book. I cannot be bought or sold for or to an ideology.

Thanks for the insult. Clever, can I write it down?


You're allowed, but as to wether you can or not-thats up to you.

I am not in your book. I cannot be bought or sold for or to an ideology.


No-the market certainly wouldnt bear that.

Alright, kids, enough. I don't agree with a lot of what Krackonis has posted, but the ad hominem jibes are uncalled for. Let's all play nice.

Ummm... That's a right of your constitution... I am complaining about things AGAINST your constitution. Carry a gun or don't. in your country... We don't do that, but, we don't have a culture of fear either. I doubt there are even any doors locked around here... So you need it.. ok... Protect yourself. Good for you. :fluffle:

The funny part was their fascination with "Indians". By this, they meant the Native Americans (but they meant it in the politically incorrect cowboy and Indian sense). Their children were sorely disappointed that there were no "Indians" present in Virginia (well, they may live around here, but you can't pick them out in a crowd).

There are, however, plenty of people from India, and initially, that's what I thought they meant - they told me they were anxious to see "Indians".

Oh, and if you're wondering it's a doctor and his engineer wife. Go figure what the Austrian education system is teaching people today.

No-the market certainly wouldnt bear that.

A book called "the Truth" with no ideologies or strings attached...

No... It certainly wouldn't be born by the market. It would be hidden and it's secrets tapped, then the parts that fit with the "current administrations" ideology would be placed into part of the rhetoric of the time, and some blacked out version of the book might be circulated.

You know if you want to write that book, I recommend you take off your "indoctrination" glasses and your "hypocracy" hat. Then you can look at the world as a set of checks and balances that are moral, sound and have the integrity to actually BE respected.

Considering how much of the Declaration of Human Rights and Geneva Conventions are being "interpreted" and "edited" might suggest that these are the "Book of Truth" and they were regarded by the world as the most important set of rules and words to avoid the scourge of war. These people recognized that they almost destroyed the planet, and no rational human being should live under such fear. It's more than any rational person should tolerate.

Recently, the topic of the ground work of the UN has been investigated. The word "Ultimate Doom" is being revived. As many believe that is the direction in which we headed.

I hope you just look around. If you won't consider that, well, I suspect we have nothing more to say on the subject.

Oh, and if you're wondering it's a doctor and his engineer wife. Go figure what the Austrian education system is teaching people today.

They used Indian instead of Native American? How good's your German? They didn't know which parts of the US still had Native American populations? Shocking! Where would you find most of the Croats in Austria?

And on education systems, your own government acknowledges that only 80% of your population can draft a letter, in Austria that figure is 98%. So what's your education system teaching?

The funny part was their fascination with "Indians". By this, they meant the Native Americans (but they meant it in the politically incorrect cowboy and Indian sense). Their children were sorely disappointed that there were no "Indians" present in Virginia (well, they may live around here, but you can't pick them out in a crowd).

There are, however, plenty of people from India, and initially, that's what I thought they meant - they told me they were anxious to see "Indians".

Oh, and if you're wondering it's a doctor and his engineer wife. Go figure what the Austrian education system is teaching people today.

Well, thats a given. In Germany (I would guess Aurstria is similar) a large majority of the population believe in the conspiracy theories without evidence. But they have seen the amount of stuff that can go on behind closed doors about 60 years ago...

Of course, also, since the amount of American news that is picked up outside its borders is negligible asides maybe Canada and Mexico. Their history of the US might be the last time they were in school. say, the 70s?

It was still Cowboys and Indians right up into the 60s. Remember, in their societies they didn't force their indigenous populations around either. So, if you wanted to see old Bohemians in their native culture, you GO to where they are and you see them. Here Indians have been replaced by a broken red skinned people who live on reserves. They have no culture maybe except what they can recall.

Anyways, I wasn't trying to defend the ignorance of some individuals from Austria, but I see it as understandable. I mean, I would say that I put in over 4-5 hours a day on this stuff. It's a constant barrage of information, but it allows you to see through the overwhelming amount of arguementative BS which I am sure only assists to hamstring the government while a a select group of individuals in the white house and other agencies currently plot corporation driven, fascist takeover of the United States.

I don't think that the vindication of history will let me down. the US have 150 enemies countries and about 18 allies. It used to be better, maybe it can be again, but I think a war will occur first.

This is why I am a bit vocal on the subject.

Remember, in their societies they didn't force their indigenous populations around either.

Oh, like the Roma.

BTW, I wouldn't get too worked up about the US. It looks like the global power struggle will be the haves vs. the have nots.

You can move there if you don't agree with the Supreme Court.

The death penalty so far is not "cruel and unusual" punishment.


I was referring to whatever you'd said about leaving corpses out in the sun to rot and reusing ropes.

You know, genuinely barbaric stuff.

Oh, and if you're wondering it's a doctor and his engineer wife. Go figure what the Austrian education system is teaching people today.


Why in god's name would austrians learn american geography or arcane bits of american history?

???

Why does it matter if the numbers are wrong..? the thing is he molested ATLEAST one kid and thats enough!

Why dont we avoid posting sadistic fantasies, often far worse than anything this guy is accused of doing, and get to real worthwhile discussion? There are child molesters out there, that is nothing new and nothing worth serious discussion. So, what is so unique about this case that makes this one worth discussing and not all the other other child molestation cases? The number that the media has been throwing around is the only unusual thing in this case.

Now, any of us who has a brain (and many of us here have proven we do) has already realized that it is impossible for this person to have had sex with 36,000 children in only 37 years. It is also reasonable to assume that people in law enforcement and in the media can do the simple 3rd grade level division necessary to realize that this could not have possibly happened. It is reasonable to believe that they did do this simple math.

Knowing these things, we are left with the undeniable fact that despite knowing there is no way this could have really happened, they chose to report it anyway. Why? The media chose to report something that they knew or should have known defies all logic and is guaranteed to be untrue. Furthermore, they did this knowing that it is something guaranteed to inflame people. This begs the question, how often does the media do this? Is it a standard practice for them to publish things that they already know could not possibly true? That is the interesting question presented by this story. Why does the media publish something they know is untrue and they know will cause an uproar and maybe even a flurry of hastily put together and poorly thought out laws? If they did it this time, how many times have they done it in the past but with things that are more difficult to identify as untrue?