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Which is the better band?

Of course, this was Rage with Zach, now Chris Cornell and the guys just don't seem to have that edge, and seem much less political.

great topic!!!

I only know what one of the sets of letters stands for :( I probably know the other band but I don't know what the letters RATM stand for. So im oging to say SOAD! They rule anyway!

I'm guessing SOAD means System of a Down.

But I don't know the other one.

I'm guessing SOAD means System of a Down.

But I don't know the other one.
RATM = Rage Against The Machine.

I think SOAD is better. Their songs don't sound all the same and even contain emotions!

RATM = Rage Against The Machine.

Then I vote SOAD.

They both annoy me.

Politics do not make for good music, sorry.

I think SOAD is better. Their songs don't sound all the same and even contain emotions!
Dude..... know what you are talking about :rolleyes:

RATM. No question.

R-R-R-RATM! :eek:

That was hard... I like SOAD but RATM wins it for me, just because of Bombtrack, I love that song so much. :)

I am going to have to agree with the legless one on this... RATM is awesome!!

Of course, this was Rage with Zach, now Chris Cornell and the guys just don't seem to have that edge, and seem much less political.
Maybe that's why the name of that band is Audioslave? :rolleyes:

System of a Down. I don't like RATM.

Race against the Machine? Are people serious??! Definately SOAD now.

Without the Machine, RATM wouldn't exist. Besides, RATM is now PART of the Machine.

So yeah, pretentious, pseudo-rebellious, no-talent ass-rock sucks. And if I must suck to announce this fact, then so be it. They both suck. It's called talent. Look into it.

Rage Against the Machine. Easy.

So yeah, pretentious, pseudo-rebellious, no-talent ass-rock sucks. And if I must suck to announce this fact, then so be it. They both suck. It's called talent. Look into it.


Agreed.

Rage. I got into SOAD first, then I watched a movie called "School of Rock." Totaly changed my opinion of music. I got into Rage then, and since then, they have become my favoute band. 4 years after they broke up. Lol.


Jesus, I hate people who say political music sucks. Does Imagine suck? Does Rockin the Free World suck? Does Fortune Son suck? If you answered Yes to any of these rhetorical questions, your opinion has just become void.

Erm, why did 'School of Rock' change your taste of music??

Erm, why did 'School of Rock' change your taste of music??


The whole damn movie was about great music not just having smooth sounds, or a cool look, but soul. Music that has meaning beyond trying to make it rich, but, as the movie put it, "Sticking it to the Man."

Erm, why did 'School of Rock' change your taste of music??

His taste in music changed because of a bad movie, do you really care?

SOAD are the better band because its less about the politics more about the metal especially there first album

I have 2 RATM albums (from a collectors package) and its safe to say there collecting dust because I just can't listen to it without getting bored

His taste in music changed because of a bad movie, do you really care?

Please, just go away. You have stated your opinion on this issue, and all that you can do now is flame the people here who actually like this music.

Please, just go away. You have stated your opinion on this issue, and all that you can do now is flame the people here who actually like this music.

I'd have to say that saying someone's opinion is void isn't a very nice thing to say because they don't agree with you.

There's nothing wrong with political music when it's more than just "omg i h8 teh guvinmunt".

SOAD is t3h, and you know it.

Dude..... know what you are talking about

I have two albums by both bands. RATM's songwriting is extremely formulaic.

His taste in music changed because of a bad movie, do you really care?
I actually liked School of Rock.

Does Fortune Son suck? If you answered Yes to any of these rhetorical questions, your opinion has just become void.
CCR is t3h, better than RATM and SOAD combined!

Im fans of both bands, but both are GREATLY over rated.

if i had to pick, SOAD no doubt.

Probably would have been RATM a while ago, but SOAD last longer so they tipped the balance for me. And subsequently I tip the balance of the poll for now. I feel special :cool:

I'd have to say that saying someone's opinion is void isn't a very nice thing to say because they don't agree with you.




Yes, yes. Alright, I apologize...For being an ass. Your opinion is not void.


I just really like Rage.

RATM Never beacme part of the machine. I fear most of you are jst taing bold shots in the dark to get a reaction. Rage against the machine has always been conterversial, and lyrically are far more mature than system of a down. System is ggod and all that, but never really get out there. And of course rage needs the machine. If there was no machine they wouldn't be ragein and everything would be fine and dandy. obviosly no thought went into most of these posts.

And to all those fans bitching about talent; Go write some music yourself, suckasses. It's easy to complain about how they have no talent, but the most you do is sit on your ass and post. So shut up.

And of course rage needs the machine. If there was no machine they wouldn't be ragein and everything would be fine and dandy.



Yes! This reminds me of a time when I was on Fark, and I saw an add for a tee shirt that said: "Imagine No Liberals." The more I thought about it, the more I thought Lennon would actualy agree with that statement.

I like SOAD better. I just think they have a more unique sound. Rage kind of got on my nerves after awhile. I like the Middle Eastern sound that some of the songs of SOAD has. Especially on Toxicity. This new album sounds kind of good.

Well, this is coming from a country whose theme is RATM, and the theme of the Region that this country is in is RATM. So frankly, i'm gonna have to go with RATM.

To all of you that say RATM sucks now or Chris Cornell is bad or whatever, pelase note: that's not rage. That's Audioslave, and Cornell needs to die. RATM is talking about pre-Audioslave, before Zach left, before or during Grand Olympic Stadium CONCERT (my name ;) ).

SOAD is good, but their songs are just yelling to a fast beat. Yes, RATM has some of it, but the lyrics are inspiring at least. After watchign a DVD of one of their concerts, i wanted to overthrow every single corporation within a 20 mile radius. SOAD just burns my ears after a while and gives me a headache.

PS: For all you RATM fans, come join Guerrilla Territories. And take a look at my country, you'll like.

oops...stupid slowass internet.

oops...stupid slowass internet.


Better then my 56K that runs at half speed. :(

BTW, the DVD your refering to, is it the Battle of Mexico City?

RATM is considered Alternative While SOAD is now considered metal which is kind of true in a sence but i will have to say RATM b/c with out them i would have never discovered my communist ways

RATM is considered Alternative While SOAD is now considered metal which is kind of true in a sence but i will have to say RATM b/c with out them i would have never discovered my communist ways


RATM is Socialist/Anarcho-Communist...

Politics do not make for good music, sorry.

So you only listen to classical?

Fucking RAGE

RAGE!!!

Saw System last week at Download, and they were really really poor. I like their music, but live it was just disappointing.

So you only listen to classical?
Even classical has politics in it if you look at the music history.

To be honest, I don't like either of them. My personal favorite political band is either Bad Religion, or Dropkick Murphys. They helped me discover my inner socialist, anyway.

System kick ass! Everybodies goin to the party...

I prefer soad. Ratm are boring. I think trivium will probably best both of them

BTW, the DVD your refering to, is it the Battle of Mexico City?


Nah, i'm talking about the "Live at Grand Olympic Stadium One."

Hey Unbelievers, if you're looking to be educated or at least open minded, go pick up a copy of that DVD. Watch "Killing in the Name" ONCE. THEN tell me SOAD is better. Zach De La Rocha is absolutely invigorating, and SOAD does not have that energy.

Move to Guerrilla Territories for RATM fans. If you're an Audioslavist, don't bother.

Nah, i'm talking about the "Live at Grand Olympic Stadium One."

Hey Unbelievers, if you're looking to be educated or at least open minded, go pick up a copy of that DVD. Watch "Killing in the Name" ONCE. THEN tell me SOAD is better. Zach De La Rocha is absolutely invigorating, and SOAD does not have that energy.

Move to Guerrilla Territories for RATM fans. If you're an Audioslavist, don't bother.

well I've seen your DVD...and I must disagree...RATM/Zach De La Rocha/Killing in the Name of live are all some of the most badass stuff I can ever imagine...I will agree with you there...and I'm definitely not dissing RATM cuz I love them (10 minutes previous to me typing this I will admit I was air guitaring to Kick Out The Jams) but, SOAD, I think has more talent...Tom Morello is unrivaled by himself...and the energy that Zach De La Rocha gives is also unrivaled and I can't think of a better front man but as a band/team I think that SOAD work better together...Some bands you can take certain people out and replace them and their fans wouldn't know the difference like most mainstream angsty nu-metal...but bands like RHCP...you'd know if they replaced Flea...SOAD has not one badass singer (like RATM) but two ,less badass but more talented (IMO), singers who's voices are such that they work together like instruments (anyone who has heard Roulette will agree)...But for the record, I don't think anyone can match rages unique style/sound or put a more abraisive political message out...I say rock on to both

I don't see the point of comparing these bands, which are (really) from differents centuries!!!
RATM was very popular while I was still a student, for god's sake. That's about 8-9 years ago.
As for SOAD, only History will tell if they leave their mark. Will freshmen make serious comparisons between SOAD and that cool new kickass band in 2015? LOL

Yeah, you may as well compare John Lennon with Noel Gallagher, Weezer with Wilco, Yo Yo Ma with Aunt Jemima, or Jim Morrison with your lizard, if you want to make it funny!!!!!!

I prefer SOAD because it music with a bit of politics, unless RATM, which is politics to a musical beat
SOAD shits on them msucially.
All Zack de La Rocha does is shout socialist, communist or anachist crap over the top of the band playing.
Serj and Daron actually sing, or if they just shout crap, it at least works with the song.
Despite liking Audioslave, any one that has anything to do with Guerilla Radio deseves a horrible, painful death.

[QUOTE=Sarkasis]I don't see the point of comparing these bands, which are (really) from differents centuries!!!
RATM was very popular while I was still a student, for god's sake. That's about 8-9 years ago.
[QUOTE]

Dude the selftitle came out 1998, which was 7 years ago. Admittedly, I did not hear it first, I heard Toxicity first, but Australia is pretty much mainstream all the way. It's indie/alternative/underground/metal scene is bloody tiny compared to the US and Europe

SOAD is good, but their songs are just yelling to a fast beat.

Ok, so you've not listened to much SOAD then? Maybe some of their songs are, but the majority certainly aren't. And rather than just yelling because it's the done thing in metal (a feeling I get with a lot of metal I've heard), there's a reason for it in their songs. Listen to War? and you'll see what I mean. Oh, and Chop Suey! is one of the best songs of the last 10 years.
New album's kinda crap though. Cigaro, This Cocaine..., Sad Statue, Old School Hollywood and Lost In Hollywood are good, but I reckon only Statue, and Lost In Hollywood would've made it onto Toxicity, and probably neither onto their first. Let's hope Hypnotize is better.

Meh, neither is that good. I wouldn't go so far as to say they *suck,* but they aren't very inspired, and I personally don't like their music all that much.

Rage are better, just, although I do agree that Chop Suey is one hell of a good song.

System of a Down is much better, imo.

i disagree almost entirely with their politics but LOVE their music.

Both bands are awesome, but I'd say I prefer System of a Down at the moment, because their new album must be one of the best albums of the new millenium.


btw,
Rage Against The Machine + Soundgarden = Audioslave
but:
Rage Against The Machine > Audioslave
Soundgarden > Audioslave

Both bands are awesome, but I'd say I prefer System of a Down at the moment, because their new album must be one of the best albums of the new millenium.


btw,
Rage Against The Machine + Soundgarden = Audioslave
but:
Rage Against The Machine > Audioslave
Soundgarden > Audioslave

a combination of the weakest elements from both! Chris Cornell's a Seattle native, so the rock stations out here play Audioslave's most recent single beyond the point of inducing nausea.

SOAD had some promise when they made their breakthrough, but (sorry to say it), the new album sucks ass. Some artists can do the "Political Music" thing effectively, some should stick to things they're good at.

RATM always sounded more like "Rap" than "Rock", but neither SOAD or RATM are "Metal" beyond the use of certain metal techniques ("Heavy" guitar-work).

But... RATM >SOAD's most recent album. I tried to listen to that piece of shit and wound up being irritable for the rest of the night. It probably doesn't help that "BYOB" gets played on KISW (which is the radio station played at work most of the time) about every half-hour between 1530 and 0200. Lyrically, it loses a lot compared to other efforts at antiwar protest-songs, and just sounds like incoherent whining. (Nonetheless, it's better than , say, Green Day, but two kids banging on tin cans and hooting is better than Green Day's Suburban-californian-teenager whining.)

SOAD had some promise when they made their breakthrough, but (sorry to say it), the new album sucks ass. Some artists can do the "Political Music" thing effectively, some should stick to things they're good at.

RATM always sounded more like "Rap" than "Rock", but neither SOAD or RATM are "Metal" beyond the use of certain metal techniques ("Heavy" guitar-work).

But... RATM >SOAD's most recent album. I tried to listen to that piece of shit and wound up being irritable for the rest of the night. It probably doesn't help that "BYOB" gets played on KISW (which is the radio station played at work most of the time) about every half-hour between 1530 and 0200. Lyrically, it loses a lot compared to other efforts at antiwar protest-songs, and just sounds like incoherent whining. (Nonetheless, it's better than , say, Green Day, but two kids banging on tin cans and hooting is better than Green Day's Suburban-californian-teenager whining.)


compared to their previous works, SOAD's new album sucks I will definitely say that...I was disapointed...but they definitely do political music effectively from their view. Metal definitely isn't what either band is, that doesn't make them any less talented though...BYOB is a great song though! But any song overplayed can get sucky...it's like a modern version of War Pigs by Black Sabbath (my favorite Sabbath song) but incoherent whining it is not! Obviously you understand the song therefore it can't be incoherent but, I guess if you support the war then it could be seen as whining...w/e...like I said before, both bands rule....

Like some who have voted here, I am a fan of both bands. When I listen to music I listen to it in two ways.

The first way, is to listen to the lyrics and how they flow. For both bands the lyrics are awesome, and done well. They know what they're singing and how to get it just right. However, Rage flows so much better. System is all over the place, its tempo lyrically is crazy, but they make it work which is good. Both are also very political (which is why Tom Morello of Rage and Serj Tankian of System of a Down both created the Axis of Justice (http://www.axisofjustice.org/) ). However, Rage acctually touches on hard subjects (freedom for Mumia Abu-Jamal and Leonard Pelter, the Zapatistas of Mexico, the problems of the media and governments world wide). System for the most part doesn't, and when it does its mostly about problems with the US government or media (Their song Boom, which with the music video really got me to really like the band, was one that didn't follow this).

The second way, and how I mostly listen to the music is to listen to the sound and the rhythm. How the song flows, how the beats go, and how I can let myself move to the song. If the songs flow I can listen to them all day long. If not, I can get in a few before it starts to bug me. With Rage, their songs all flow along, and are easy to listen to and rock out to (mostly due to the Rap aspect that Zach brings). As for System, their songs are too convolted to get a good beat or rhythm going. Their songs will go reall fast, then move to a near stop, then speed up a little, go crazy and the stop and go at crazy speeds. If someone was driving a car like that and you were a passenger, you'd get out.

My vote goes to Rage, a band that ended to early, and is sorely needed on the music sceen today. Their rap rock is great enough that it draws rap fans, rock fans, metal fans, and the politically active. They were a center to the dissident left, which is now scattered again.

"Forget about your history and just buy, just buy....

Your anger is a gift!"

"And Orwell's hell, a terror era comin true. But this little brother's watching you too."

"Empty ya pockets son; they got you thinkin that
What ya need is what they sellin
Make you think that buyin is rebellin
From the theaters to malls on every shore
Tha thin line between entertainment and war
The frontline is everywhere, there be no shelter here"

My vote is for Rage.

People who think that SOAD is just a bunch of shouting need to wake up and listen to more than just the songs played on the radio. There are only six songs that I know of regularly played on most radio stations out of over 50 songs.

For people who don't know SOAD very well and want to see a little more variety, may I recommend the following songs:
(in no particular order)

Roulette
Mr. Jack
War?
X
Streamline
Suggestions
Nuguns
Sad Statue
Thetawaves
Suite-Pee
A.D.D (American Dream Denial)


Was it the riches, of the land,
Powers of bright darkness,
That lead the noble, to the East,
To fight the heathens


We fought your wars with all our hearts,
You sent us back in body parts,
You took our wills with the truth you stole,
We offer prayers for you long lost soul.


You and me will all go down in history,
With a sad Statue of Liberty,
And a Generation that didn't agree


Your prospect of living gone,
You ran the light at dawn,
Protectors on your back,
Lights are on their track,
You must now face authority.


The National debt is at times ally,
Leaving the people to fend for them selves,
The people collect undeniable data,
About high pulse weapons and microwaves,
The National debt is at times an ally,
Leaving the people to fend for them selves,
The the people found out the lie.

I wouldnt compare the two bands, they arent even in the same genre.

While I like both bands, were the poll open ( :p ) I would definetly have to cast my vote for SOAD.

I have only listened to the new SOAD album twice, and I am a little dissapointed, mostly with the fact that the whole album is only 34 minutes long more than any other reason.

If I might elaborate on Squornshelous' post, there are plenty of great songs by SOAD that some people never hear. Some of them don't even have anything to do with politics...imagine that!

Some other great songs...

Soil
Deer Dance
ATWA
Highway Song
Cubert
Forest
Bubbles
Mind
P.L.U.C.K. - (In my opinion, SOAD's best song)

Both bands are good, however, I enjoy something a bit heavier such as Pantera or Metallica (earlier Metallica is better).

System by a kazillion miles.
Toxicity is nothing but sheer f*** brilliance.
Their new stuff I havent really listened to yet, except their new single, which is starting to grow fast on me.
I hate their politics, but the musics great.

compared to their previous works, SOAD's new album sucks I will definitely say that...I was disapointed...but they definitely do political music effectively from their view. Metal definitely isn't what either band is, that doesn't make them any less talented though...BYOB is a great song though! But any song overplayed can get sucky...it's like a modern version of War Pigs by Black Sabbath (my favorite Sabbath song) but incoherent whining it is not! Obviously you understand the song therefore it can't be incoherent but, I guess if you support the war then it could be seen as whining...w/e...like I said before, both bands rule....

You're right-up to a point. See, after the 100th time, you can pick out the words of almost anything that was originally written in english.
My irritation, is that the song (in particular) plays to certain stupid stereotypes about the Military in general, and asks a question with an obvious answer that anyone over the age of 15 should know.

It's neither thought-provoking, nor good music. there are bits that are reminiscent of Jello-Biafra's (Former lead singer of the Dead Kennedys) side project in the late 1980s (Lard), done with members of Ministry-particularly the alternating rough/smooth tempo changes, which reminded me of "Pineapple Face", but where most Metal bands and many rock bands make time-changes to build and relieve tension, this is just "patterned" to irritate.

Mainly, though, the attempt at clever JB'ing fails, because the songwriter isn't a deep-thinker. I despise Jello Biafra's politics, but his poetry was well-thought-out, the Anger was genuine, and the wording is witty. SOAD just sounds to me like someone hoping to capitalize on the "Kewl" factor of being Anti-War.

Back to the subject at hand: Rage, OTOH, championed causes that were little-publicized during a time of contented "Peace", their songs took Controversial stands that were actually controversial rather than the accepted and recieved wisdom of College Professors and other Media Starlets.
Like DK, and Lard, the Anger was real, palpable, the writing was street-wise and Witty, the tone was far from condescending, and the beliefs were Authentic, rather than smelling and looking like the sewage ginned up in a brainstorming session with an Image Consultant and a couple of pollsters.

Id say Rage against the MAchine when they wernt Hip Hopping it up.

Their last real album was pure Genius.

But ill tell you what you can do with the renegades of funk!

Although Toxicity is Amazing which is funny cause its like the only Album of theirs i dont have.

RATM vs Audioslave is a different question RATM asks the questions and Audioslave gives the answers...

Personally I'd go for Rage. Their lyrics are more original, flow better and are more thought provoking, and I prefer Zach's voice over serges. The rage basslines are better, and I think the neither drummer outdoes the other. Live, RATM kick system's ass. SOAD are not very tight at all, and the vocals usually sound pretty dire. Still, both bands self titled albums are amazing.