NationStates Jolt Archive

The Democratic Party of the USA has been described as a lot of things, so here it is- a big ass poll to decide finally what they are

Should have been a multiple choice poll. :)

Anyway: it depends on where you are, I'd say. Some are pro-union, others are pro-environment, some are ABG (Anybody But GOP)... just like any big group, they can't really be given one description...

That's why I added the "diverse group" option. Ha, I'm a jeenyus

Other.....

I voted conservative. From a German point of view, the Democrats and the Republicans are about as different as our Conservative Party and its Bavavarian sister-party.

Not sure what they are, but I know they're not Liberal (newer meaning) or Socialist. Might be Liberal in the classical sense though...

some are ABG (Anybody But GOP).
:eek:

Is that an Acronym within an Acronym.

I voted conservative. From a German point of view, the Democrats and the Republicans are about as different as our Conservative Party and its Bavavarian sister-party.


I concur. Looking at american politics from a danish perspective, but reps and dems seem pretty conservative.

Personally, I'm a socially liberal, economically responsible, populist Democrat. Specific enough? But that particular segment of the overall party is just one of many. In broad general terms, I'm not as liberal as some of my San Francisco brethren (among whom I recently resided), but I'm a raging leftist compared to my one-time Arkansas neighbors. I haven't been in my new place long enough to know how I fit in yet. We're still all in the same party, however, even though we might have disagreements on individual issues. We really are the big tent party.

Not sure what they are, but I know they're not Liberal (newer meaning) or Socialist. Might be Liberal in the classical sense though...
Hah - the Democrats, classic liberals?
Classic liberalism is most represented by our Libertarian Party

Personally, I'm a socially liberal, economically responsible, populist Democrat. Specific enough? But that particular segment of the overall party is just one of many. In broad general terms, I'm not as liberal as some of my San Francisco brethren (among whom I recently resided), but I'm a raging leftist compared to my one-time Arkansas neighbors. I haven't been in my new place long enough to know how I fit in yet. We're still all in the same party, however, even though we might have disagreements on individual issues. We really are the big tent party.

San Francisco is a total leftist paradise... Though it is quite expensive.

Classic liberalism is most represented by our Libertarian Party
Fair, but they're closer to that than they are Socialist or (modern) Liberal.

Fair, but they're closer to that than they are Socialist or (modern) Liberal.
Exactly

By the standards of Europe they are lousily conservative. That goes for most US politics actually. When the only real party difference seems to be who's gurning for the cameras come election time it's rather worrying.

San Francisco is a total leftist paradise... Though it is quite expensive.
Most fascinating place I ever lived. The only thing I didn't like was the weather, and that only because it never got hot--I grew up in the south and I like to be hot, so now I'm in south Florida, where it never gets cold. :D

And even with the weather, I'd move back in a heartbeat.

Most fascinating place I ever lived. The only thing I didn't like was the weather, and that only because it never got hot--I grew up in the south and I like to be hot, so now I'm in south Florida, where it never gets cold. :D

And even with the weather, I'd move back in a heartbeat.

I love cool/cold weather. Then again, I also like warm/hot weather, so I could live in virtually any place and not mind :D.

That said about 'Frisco and other "liberal strongholds"... Democrats are a diverse group. However, by other nations' standards, they're disgustingly conservative overall.

Some people think the Democrats are conservative because they are like the Republicans.

But the Republicans aren't conservative, so thats not correct.

Seriously, I have no idea how people can take the DNP or GOP as conservative. Both are basically a bunch of raving lunatics who want to destroy the USA and remake it in their own image.

I would see it as most of them are liberal, but here's the thing: They won't say that because they've allowed the word liberal to become a "dirty word" in a sense. I once discussed this with a wise math instructor hehe :D But it's true! Being liberal is NOT bad, but whenever people accuse someone of being liberal you get the idea they're also saying they're incompetent morons who can't take action. Simply untrue. Simply sad and untrue...

I voted conservative. From a German point of view, the Democrats and the Republicans are about as different as our Conservative Party and its Bavavarian sister-party.

Well unfortunately our Democratic party is mainly a conglomeration of labor, socialists and marxists and losing support on a permanent basis rapidly. The traditional democrats which were the basic middle class working stiffs just trying to have a decent life have left in disgust to become either Republican or Independent.
Anymore our voting choices are now based what we believe will be the least damaging of the few bad choices avaliable.

Liverbreath']Well unfortunately our Democratic party is mainly a conglomeration of labor, socialists and marxists and losing support on a permanent basis rapidly. The traditional democrats which were the basic middle class working stiffs just trying to have a decent life have left in disgust to become either Republican or Independent.
Anymore our voting choices are now based what we believe will be the least damaging of the few bad choices avaliable.

Funny how conservatives call civil rights activism, unionism, and environmentalism "bad choices".

I love cool/cold weather. Then again, I also like warm/hot weather, so I could live in virtually any place and not mind :D.

That said about 'Frisco and other "liberal strongholds"... Democrats are a diverse group. However, by other nations' standards, they're disgustingly conservative overall.
Very true--only in the US would the idea of a single payer health insurance plan or a mandatory living wage be considered on the far left of the political spectrum.

Funny how conservatives call civil rights activism, unionism, and environmentalism "bad choices".
Also funny how anybody who supports government intevention to help people are "Marxists".

Funny, I thought Marxism had something to do with Marx. Apparently not, though.

Also funny how anybody who supports government intevention to help people are "Marxists".

Funny, I thought Marxism had something to do with Marx. Apparently not, though.

Yeah, people really should get their facts straight.

Funny how conservatives call civil rights activism, unionism, and environmentalism "bad choices".

Also funny how anybody who supports government intevention to help people are "Marxists".

Funny, I thought Marxism had something to do with Marx. Apparently not, though.

So do either of these little "rules" that supposedly "conservatives" lay down have any basis in reality, or are they the strawmen they so clearly sound like?

And no Potaria, thats not what [NS]Liverbreath was saying. He basically said the American system is now not voting for who is best for the job, but who is considered least-bad. Which is a good point, but hey let's make up general terms about the behavior of so-called "conservatives" instead eh?

I would see it as most of them are liberal, but here's the thing: They won't say that because they've allowed the word liberal to become a "dirty word" in a sense. I once discussed this with a wise math instructor hehe :D But it's true! Being liberal is NOT bad, but whenever people accuse someone of being liberal you get the idea they're also saying they're incompetent morons who can't take action. Simply untrue. Simply sad and untrue...

True liberals didn't allow the word liberal to become a dirty word. The "New Democratic Party" leadership allowed it to become diluted by every single nutcase fringe group of loons that would give them a buck. It became a dirty word based solely on who they allowed to speak for them. I was a democrat for 30 years, but the nutjobs they kept sending out saying they represented our beliefs just became to embarrassing to tolerate. I think the final straw was some wacked out NOW fanatic saying that men should be rendered impotent and only allowed to have children if they deemed him fit. They represented this as a good healthy progressive liberal policy. This is just one of a boatload of crazy crap allowed in the name of liberalism.

So do either of these little "rules" that supposedly "conservatives" lay down have any basis in reality, or are they the strawmen they so clearly sound like?
Meh, I hadn't noticed that Potaria had made a generalization about all conservatives. I certainly didn't mean to, I was trying to refer to what Liverbreath had said.

So do either of these little "rules" that supposedly "conservatives" lay down have any basis in reality, or are they the strawmen they so clearly sound like?

And no Potaria, thats not what [NS]Liverbreath was saying. He basically said the American system is now not voting for who is best for the job, but who is considered least-bad. Which is a good point, but hey let's make up general terms about the behavior of so-called "conservatives" instead eh?

Well, we live in separate places, and that's what it's like where I live.

But, whatever works for you, eh? Fuck all else.

Funny how conservatives call civil rights activism, unionism, and environmentalism "bad choices".

Potaria, civil rights, unions and the enviroment are all important and good things. My refrence to "bad choices" was directed strictly toward the individual politicians which we are allowed to choose from. Both Republican and Democrat. It's not very nice to twist my words like that.

Liverbreath']Potaria, civil rights, unions and the enviroment are all important and good things. My refrence to "bad choices" was directed strictly toward the individual politicians which we are allowed to choose from. Both Republican and Democrat. It's not very nice to twist my words like that.


I hear that. I'm sick of voting for the "least worst candidate". :rolleyes:

Liverbreath']Potaria, civil rights, unions and the enviroment are all important and good things. My refrence to "bad choices" was directed strictly toward the individual politicians which we are allowed to choose from. Both Republican and Democrat. It's not very nice to twist my words like that.

The way I read it, you were saying that the far-left was the problem. Reading it again, however, that's not the case.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. But, you must realise that where I live, people *do* think that way. It's not a good thing at all.

The way I read it, you were saying that the far-left was the problem. Reading it again, however, that's not the case.

Sorry about the misunderstanding. But, you must realise that where I live, people *do* think that way. It's not a good thing at all.

No harm and I am glad it was a misunderstanding. Actually I do realize how people think where you live. I graduated from South Houston High School and worked for the Houston Chronicle for about 10 years.
My belief is that without the left there cannot be a right. We need them both or we are all screwed.

:eek:

Is that an Acronym within an Acronym.

:D

(shhhh.... don't let them know you know...)