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What do you guys think? Turkey In or out?

I don't hope Turkey joins, but for its own good.
The EU is one huge bureaucracy that would just siphon off the country's soveriegnty. It wouldn't be worth the advantages.

Isn't Turkey kinda in Asia for a start?

Turkish men look a bit like neanderthal men, I don't think them muslims are civilized enough to join.

Turkish men look a bit like neanderthal men, I don't think them muslims are civilized enough to join.
As opposed to Europe? Europeans are *so* much more civilized :rolleyes:

Technically Turkey is in both Asia and Europe. The Dardenelles serve as one of the official dividing lines between Europe and Asia, Turkey as land west of the Dardenelles, making part of it Europe. Also, Turkey has a strong European tradition (Byzantium, etc.), and is one of the cradles of civilization. Turkey would be an important voice in the EU, but I agree that the EU might destroy Turkey.

Should Turkey enter the EU? And if so how would it effect the EU if it was to join?

Well it all depends on the EU's personal prefrence.

I mean, if the majority of the EU likes chicken, then no, turkey should not join, but if they like turkey more, then yes they should.

However one problem with turkey joining is the potential for it to split the EU into two factions, one that likes dark meat, and the other who likes white meat.

As for the effect, I think it will fill the EU up good enough, but make them tired soon afterwards.

As opposed to Europe? Europeans are *so* much more civilized :rolleyes:

We don't kill Kurds!

Europe needs to get it's house in order first. Chirac&co are ignoring this and blaming the British...what a surprise. :rolleyes:

For everyones sake Turkey should wait.

Turkish men look a bit like neanderthal men, I don't think them muslims are civilized enough to join.

please tell me this is a joke

Europe needs to get it's house in order first. Chirac&co are ignoring this and blaming the British...what a surprise. :rolleyes:

For everyones sake Turkey should wait.

Turkey have only been in negotiations with the EU for a few months, they prob will join 2008 at the earliest, this would have blown over by then.

If they all flood into Europe well have lots of problems with drug trafficing criminals. I think we should block Turkey from joining they are not ready.

europe doesn't want turkey to join E.U. because USA is a reaaly close friend of Turkey

Turkish men all have mustaches but their not really that bad even though their muslims. I know a Turkish man called Akbar and he is really funny. but he is really dumb. I was stood next to him for half an hour, and all he kept saying was burger.

If they all flood into Europe well have lots of problems with drug trafficing criminals. I think we should block Turkey from joining they are not ready.

They said that about the acession (sp) countries joing that we would have a "mass invasion" of imigrants, It hasn't happened. So whats different with Turkey and supposed drug trafficing?
Now there are reasons for not letting Turkey in and some of them are even genuine but this sort of reason is the sort of reason someone gives when they don't want a prodominantly Muslim country gaining power in the EU. Thats all I see when I look at that post and the previous ones you have made

europe doesn't want turkey to join E.U. because USA is a reaaly close friend of Turkey


Which is of course why Turkey let the US stage troops there in preparation for invading Iraq... wait, they didn't :rolleyes:

I think Turkey could be a good addition to the EU. Although not until issues like torture and other human rights violations within Turkey has been addressed.

They said that about the acession (sp) countries joing that we would have a "mass invasion" of imigrants, It hasn't happened. So whats different with Turkey and supposed drug trafficing?
Now there are reasons for not letting Turkey in and some of them are even genuine but this sort of reason is the sort of reason someone gives when they don't want a prodominantly Muslim country gaining power in the EU. Thats all I see when I look at that post and the previous ones you have made

Muslims are great people, I am not a racist person, but we don't want drug lords over here or bomber men do we?

Muslims are great people, I am not a racist person, but we don't want drug lords over here or bomber men do we?

So when Turkey joins the EU they are going to flood into the EU to bomb countries and export drugs?

Do you live in Europe?

Muslims are great people, I am not a racist person, but we don't want drug lords over here or bomber men do we?

Turkish men look a bit like neanderthal men, I don't think them muslims are civilized enough to join.

No course you not :rolleyes:

Its a shame Turkey is so backwards, then the EU would let them join. What do you guys think? If we educate the muslims in Turkey and make them more like us (civilized) perhaps one day they will join.

Turkish people are not as clever as europeans they would not fit in I watched a programe about their mosques and how they sit on magic carpits with cumpases in them so they know where they are. If was really funny.

Its a shame Turkey is so backwards, then the EU would let them join. What do you guys think? If we educate the muslims in Turkey and make them more like us (civilized) perhaps one day they will join.

Turkish people are not as clever as europeans they would not fit in I watched a programe about their mosques and how they sit on magic carpits with cumpases in them so they know where they are. If was really funny.

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Its a shame Turkey is so backwards, then the EU would let them join. What do you guys think? If we educate the muslims in Turkey and make them more like us (civilized) perhaps one day they will join.

Turkish people are not as clever as europeans they would not fit in I watched a programe about their mosques and how they sit on magic carpits with cumpases in them so they know where they are. If was really funny.

I would insult your grammar, but I decided not to. Instead I will ask you: How much do you know about turkish culture? Because it seems I know more than you, yet I know about 0.01% Are you really fit to talk about whether Turkey is civilized or not?

And no, I don't think Turkey is ready to join just yet. Besides, we've yet to integrate the new member states into the EU. Until that is achieved (though what it really means, i'm not sure of) I think it would be best to wait. For them and for us. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it of course.

I would insult your grammar, but I decided not to. Instead I will ask you: How much do you know about turkish culture? Because it seems I know more than you, yet I know about 0.01% Are you really fit to talk about whether Turkey is civilized or not?

And no, I don't think Turkey is ready to join just yet. Besides, we've yet to integrate the new member states into the EU. Until that is achieved (though what it really means, i'm not sure of) I think it would be best to wait. For them and for us. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it of course.

Well-said.

Its a shame Turkey is so backwards, then the EU would let them join. What do you guys think? If we educate the muslims in Turkey and make them more like us (civilized) perhaps one day they will join.

Turkish people are not as clever as europeans they would not fit in I watched a programe about their mosques and how they sit on magic carpits with cumpases in them so they know where they are. If was really funny.

more proof that ignorance is bliss. I don't know where to start, the EU are going to let them join once certain requirements are met, and before you say it no it isn't an IQ test.
Define civilised, I'll give help on this you can't, its all relative to one's perspective so basically you don't want them to be more civilised you want them to be more like you which is a scary thought alone.

Theres no basis for saying Turkish people are as clever as Europeans thats just a xenophobic statement. And by the way learn how to string a sentence together before you try and call other people stupid.

I will ask you: How much do you know about turkish culture?

I don't know that much thats why I done this thread to learn. I don't know why you're getting funny with me I hav'nt said anything to you!

I would insult your grammar, but I decided not to. Instead I will ask you: How much do you know about turkish culture? Because it seems I know more than you, yet I know about 0.01% Are you really fit to talk about whether Turkey is civilized or not?

And no, I don't think Turkey is ready to join just yet. Besides, we've yet to integrate the new member states into the EU. Until that is achieved (though what it really means, i'm not sure of) I think it would be best to wait. For them and for us. Doesn't mean we can't talk about it of course.

Basically it means getting proper infastucture in these countries aswel as building their economies to a viable level so we can benefit Turkey and Turkey benefit us. This is a REAL reason for Turkey not joining

I don't know that much thats why I done this thread to learn. I don't know why you're getting funny with me I hav'nt said anything to you!

Stupid comments about another country and people you know nothing about tend to piss people off.

I don't know that much thats why I done this thread to learn. I don't know why you're getting funny with me I hav'nt said anything to you!

But you know enough that they are stupid and backward. That drug trafficing will be a major problem and the "Bomber men" will come and get us :rolleyes:

Stupid comments about another country and people you know nothing about tend to piss people off.

I'm not stupid, you're bang out of order you come into my thread and start having ago at me for what? asking questions (HELLO) I'm trying to learn.
Thats why I started this thread.

is everyone on this thread 14 years old?? i hope for the world's sake that you're all either not out of school yet, or you never have a position in which you affect people's lives. or both.

in answer to the question, turkey should most definitely be allowed EU membership. please recall (brussels, 16-17 december 2004):


"The European Council recalled its previous conclusions regarding Turkey, in which, at Helsinki, it agreed that Turkey was a candidate State destined to join the Union on the basis of the same criteria as applied to the other candidate States and, subsequently, concluded that, if it were to decide at its December 2004 meeting, on the basis of a report and recommendation from the Commission, that Turkey fulfils the Copenhagen political criteria, the European Union will open accession negotiations with Turkey without delay.

The European Council welcomed the decisive progress made by Turkey in its farreaching reform process and expressed its confidence that Turkey will sustain that process of reform. Furthermore, it expects Turkey to actively pursue its efforts to bring into force the six specific items of legislation identified by the Commission. To ensure the irreversibility of the political reform process and its full, effective and comprehensive implementation, notably with regard to fundamental freedoms and to full respect of human rights, that process will continue to be closely monitored by the Commission, which is invited to continue to report regularly on it to the Council, addressing all points of concern identified in the Commission's 2004 report and recommendation, including the implementation of the zero-tolerance policy relating to torture and ill-treatment. The European Union will continue to monitor closely progress of the political reforms on the basis of an Accession Partnership setting out priorities for the reform process.

The European Council welcomed Turkey's decision to sign the Protocol regarding the adaptation of the Ankara Agreement, taking account of the accession of the ten new Member States. In this light, it welcomed the declaration of Turkey that 'the Turkish Government confirms that it is ready to sign the Protocol on the adaptation of the Ankara Agreement prior to the actual start of accession negotiations and after reaching agreement on and finalising the adaptations which are necessary in view of the current membership of the European Union'.

The European Council, while underlining the need for unequivocal commitment to good neighbourly relations welcomed the improvement in Turkey's relations with its neighbours and its readiness to continue to work with the Member States concerned towards resolution of outstanding border disputes in conformity with the principle of peaceful settlement of disputes in accordance with the United Nations Charter. In accordance with its previous conclusions, notably those of Helsinki on this matter, the European Council reviewed the situation relating to outstanding disputes and welcomed the exploratory contacts to this end. In this connection it reaffirmed its view that unresolved disputes having repercussions on the accession process should if necessary be brought to the International Court of Justice for settlement."


turkey is doing a better job implementing the EU-required reforms than some of the countries who have made it further in the process (e.g. bulgaria and romania). i think turkish foreign minister abdullah gul said it best: "The start of negotiations is in our hands...What would prevent Turkey starting EU negotiations is doing things contrary to EU standards or not fulfilling the things it has promised to do." the go-ahead has already been given, and talks will begin in october. does turkey still have problems? sure. but the best way to help those is by LETTING them join the EU, not holding out until they're "finished." after all, if anyone lives in or has visited any of the 10 countries that just joined the EU in 2004, you know they have a LONG way to go themselves.

so in conclusion, turkey should and will join the EU. now go run along home. i think i hear your mother calling.

No.. not until the sort out their human right issues and stop attacking female tourists.. Turkey's not even in Europe for christ's sake, its in the middle east..

I'm not stupid, you're bang out of order you come into my thread and start having ago at me for what? asking questions (HELLO) I'm trying to learn.
Thats why I started this thread.

report it then see what a mod says about this thread

Does anyone know the population of Turkey?

I never set up this thread to argu, so lets forget about it and start debating.

Does anyone know the population of Turkey?

68,109,469 as of 2003.

Now how many of them want to leave Turkey I bet a lot do we will be flooded.

Does anyone know the population of Turkey?

I never set up this thread to argu, so lets forget about it and start debating.

Close to 70 million people. Google is nice.

And no, I wasn't trying to insult you, I was trying to point out that you were making odd and insulting comments. The reason why they have a compass is probably in order to be able to pray towards Mecca, since as Muslims, that is what they do five times every day. Hmm, of course, they only really need one compass and a map and then somebody to go around and tell everyone in which direction Mecca is.

:mp5: :sniper: I sink Turkey Should be allowed, end of discussion :P :sniper: :gundge: :sniper: :gundge: :headbang:

Does anyone know the population of Turkey?

I never set up this thread to argu, so lets forget about it and start debating.
62.7 million

Why do Turkish people kill Kurds?

Now how many of them want to leave Turkey I bet a lot do we will be flooded.

This is what was said when we had the accesion states and it hasn't happened

Now how many of them want to leave Turkey I bet a lot do we will be flooded.

Not that many. In fact, a good number of those currently living in Germany (Berlin being the city with the 2nd largest Trukish population on the planet) are planing on returning home, as the Turkish economy has been growing rapidly in the past few years.

I was in North cyprus last month.

I happen to have some quite weel connected aquaintences who told me that neither turkey nor cyprus should be admitted to the EU under any circumstances.

a) the beauracracy would stiffle any strong economic growth
b) free passage of men and women would create chaos as millions of turks would float to the better economic countries such as the UK, Italy (even though its in some difficulty) Germany and France.
c) its human right record is atrocious, if admitted the EU might as well admitt Iran

those are only three reasons, but there are many more. I'm personally not a great know-all of the situation but from what these people told me its really not worth the EU admitting Turkey.

I don't think Turkey should ever, under any circumstances be allowed to join the EU. I'm against them joining is on cultural grounds. I think that multiculturalism is a load of bullshit that creates fractures and divisions in society. A Muslim country with a population of nearly 70 million being given complete freedom of movement across Europe would be a copmlete disaster for Europe, and especially for us in the UK. We always find ourselves being no. 1 destinations for any immigrants.

Secondly, the required democratisation of the country is something that worries me. The current Prime Minister of Turkey is an Islamic extremist (He says he isn't but a lot of people know better). The only reason he's being a good boy now is because of the secular military influence in government, he fears going up against a firing squad if he gets too troublesome. Without the military boot in full swing Erdogan could lead Turkey down a path which isn't in our interests. All you have to do is look at the way he wants to introduce presidential government in Turkey, something which has often been used worldwide as a step towards full on dictatorship.

Also, their behaviour in Cyprus is enough to reject Turkey on that basis alone. They still hold a military garisson courtesy of Northern Cyprus' puppet government. A 'country' which was founded on the basis of an armed mob displacing the Greek population still enjoys the benefits of Turkish diplomatic recognition.

Thankfully it's not looking hopeful for Turkey being let in. The centre-right Christian Democrats look set to win the next election in Germany, and that party is largely anti-Turk. In France, Chirac's position in favour of Turkish entry has been badly damaged after the defeat on the Eu constitution (Something which was partly motivated by the prospect of Turkish entry).

We always find ourselves being no. 1 destinations for any immigrants.


The no 1 destination for Turks is Germany. I don't think you are going to see too many of them, even if Turkey joins the EU, the traditional bonds to Germany are to close.
I very much doubt that you are no 1 destination for immigrants for the new EU republics, either, as they would traditionally go for Germany and Austria as well.

Just to correct that point there.

I don't generally object Turkey joining the EU, as it is a country with a growing economy and large potential, but I do agree that it has to straighten out its human rights issues first.
I would fiercly object denying Turkey EU membership on religious or cultural grounds. It is a secular country without a state religion. On the same grounds the EU could have denied Poland the membership, as it still has a large communist party and people there are more likely to follow communist belief