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Yeah, I'm pretty sure quite a few of us are familiar with those commercials.

So, what is your antidrug?

Mine is insanity.

Mastering debating :D

Though it STRANGELY has nothing to do with debating at all!

Drugs...no wait....

My inability to buy drugs. Seriously though, it's just that I'm messed up as it is. If I tried drugs I would probably envision my leg turning into a cheetah and mauling me, then I'd shoot my leg. Doesn't sound fun.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure quite a few of us are familiar with those commercials.

So, what is your antidrug?

Mine is insanity.

My "antidrug" is sleeping in the next room. Before her, I used "Conspiracy Theory Collection" as an antidrug, and Amatuer Punditry.

the Downtown Eastside...

(Vancouverites will get it).

heh how about my job, and knowing better

Drugs...no wait....

Bastard! Stole my line from my brain!

sorry! I'm British, and have absolutly no idea what you are on about! so i guess my drug is ecstacy . . . .
only on special occasions tho.

I still remain high on life, dammit!

the Downtown Eastside...

(Vancouverites will get it).


Hehehehe... ;)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure quite a few of us are familiar with those commercials.

So, what is your antidrug?

Mine is insanity.
commercials... antidrug? what? :confused:

What keeps me from doing drugs...

Books. Lots of books.
I'm a freakin' bibliophile (& proud of it).

I don't need to steenkin' antidrug.

Scotch Whiskey.

Scotch Whiskey.
:rolleyes:

What is an anti-drug though?

:rolleyes:

What is an anti-drug though?
Not that.
Alcohol IS a drug, a harmful, addictive, mind-altering drug. I take ecstasy, no more than once a month, which is enough time for your brain to completely recover, and gives you 1 or 2 weeks of a completely normal frame of mind.
I hate alcohol. People treat it with such abandon. They abuse it, hence abusing their bodies, their brains and their families. People think that just because it's legal they can have as much as they want without worrying about their health.
With me and ecstasy, I have read so much about brain chemistry, body chemistry, nutrition, everything. I know what to eat lots of the week/day before and after taking it, suppliments that aid the effect as well as preventing neurotoxicity and tolerance, and just general things to be aware of and consider. Alcohol users, most of the time, have absolutely no idea what it is doing to them, what kinds of foods/suppliments they should take to help their bodies repair from the damage it does to them, and the optimum time frame between drinking.
Eh, sorry for the rant, but the whole elitism associated with alcohol pisses me off. Some people go all the way and scold me heavily about taking ectasy when they binge drink every weekend, as well as drinking throughout the week. And yes, I do realise there was irony in you saying alcohol is your anti-drug, it isn't lost on me, I'm just reacting to the general anti-drug hypocracy out there.

An anti-drug is something you do in your life to keep you from taking drugs. Most public health campaigns use examples such as contact sports, interests & hobbies, and other such activities that keep your life interesting rather than resorting to drugs as an escape. I agree with it to an extent - taking drugs isn't improving your life but rather escaping it, you need to make your life good by itself, and use drugs for fun every so often.
My anti-drug is reading - I love feeling educated and informed.

With me and ecstasy, I have read so much about brain chemistry, body chemistry, nutrition, everything. I know what to eat lots of the week/day before and after taking it, suppliments that aid the effect as well as preventing neurotoxicity and tolerance, and just general things to be aware of and consider.
What should I eat after MDMA?

Alcohol users, most of the time, have absolutely no idea what it is doing to them, what kinds of foods/suppliments they should take to help their bodies repair from the damage it does to them, and the optimum time frame between drinking.
People think that because other drugs are illegal, then they must be much more dangerous than alcohol. Which is not true.

To be fair though, most users of more illegal drugs don't know what it's doing to them either.

What should I eat after MDMA?


People think that because other drugs are illegal, then they must be much more dangerous than alcohol. Which is not true.

To be fair though, most users of more illegal drugs don't know what it's doing to them either.
True dat... *looks at some of my raver friends

Erm, in the days leading up to and after taking MDMA, have lots of anti-oxidants. This can be from tea, vitamins A, C and E, etc. Have heaps of this on scat day.
Also, in the two weeks following, consume lots of tryptophan-rich foods, such as bananas, chocolate and oats. Tryptophan converts to 5-HTP in your body, which is then converted into serotonin, to help replenish your stockpiles of serotonin. With eating bananas - the outside layer of the inside edible bit, as well as the layer on the inside of the skin has all the good stuff in it, so maybe get a spoon and scrape that inner layer of food on the inside of the skin.
5-HTP suppliments can help - but eating said foods also helps restock energy and nutrient levels that are lost in the whole process.
Generally, with all this, your serotonin levels should be back to normal in 1 to 1.5 weeks. Your brain isn't designed to make a lot of it quickly, so all you can do is ensure there is enough 5-HTP there as it stockpiles.
Before you go out and pop again as soon as that time frame is up - there is another factor. Your serotonin receptors need a break after being bombarded and given a far workout on MDMA. They retract, and when they do they can't receive serotonin. Only after your brain determines that they are healed and your brain can survive another onslaught do they come out again and are able to receive the serotonin.
This is one of the factors of tolerance - it isn't clear how long it takes for those receptors to become active again - but if they aren't then you simply cannot get the full effect of MDMA. A month between popping ensures that these mechanisms are working again, and allows for a week or so of normal brain activity.
Another factor of tolerance relates to the antioxidants. Through a bunch of kind of complex chemical reactions resulting from taking MDMA, certain chemicals damage the parts of the brain that are involved in the serotonin production and reception process. If they are damaged, MDMA cannot do its magic quite as well. These chemicals do this through oxidation - a process that is fought by the body through anti-oxidants. The brain isn't used to having to defend itself so vigorously, and hence runs out of its normal supply of anti-oxidants. Keeping your stocks of anti-oxidants really high (and remembering that most of them are water-soluble, and need to be replaced regularly) can completely eliminate any damage caused by these oxidants in the brain, allowing healthy serotonin production, transportation and reception that will be able to deal with an MDMA hit well.



I've interpreted a lot of this myself from various sources - do some research yourself. Everything I said in regards to anti-oxidants and such is in the grey area a little - there are many interesting debates surrounding MDMA and neurotoxicity on the net. If what I've said isn't enough information, give these two sources (for starters) a go:
Erowid MDMA vault: MDMA and antioxidants (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_article3.shtml)
Your brain on Ecstasy (http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/)

Also, in the two weeks following, consume lots of tryptophan-rich foods, such as bananas, chocolate and oats. Tryptophan converts to 5-HTP in your body, which is then converted into serotonin, to help replenish your stockpiles of serotonin.
Thanks for that post. I had my first ecstasy pill about two weeks ago. Despite what my friends told me the day after I had taken it, I felt no depression in the next few days. I even felt slightly happier, I would say. Maybe my serotonin levels were naturally higher than the average?

My anti-drug is alcohol.

Not that.
Alcohol IS a drug, a harmful, addictive, mind-altering drug. I take ecstasy, no more than once a month, which is enough time for your brain to completely recover, and gives you 1 or 2 weeks of a completely normal frame of mind.
I hate alcohol. People treat it with such abandon. They abuse it, hence abusing their bodies, their brains and their families. People think that just because it's legal they can have as much as they want without worrying about their health.
With me and ecstasy, I have read so much about brain chemistry, body chemistry, nutrition, everything. I know what to eat lots of the week/day before and after taking it, suppliments that aid the effect as well as preventing neurotoxicity and tolerance, and just general things to be aware of and consider. Alcohol users, most of the time, have absolutely no idea what it is doing to them, what kinds of foods/suppliments they should take to help their bodies repair from the damage it does to them, and the optimum time frame between drinking.
Eh, sorry for the rant, but the whole elitism associated with alcohol pisses me off. Some people go all the way and scold me heavily about taking ectasy when they binge drink every weekend, as well as drinking throughout the week. And yes, I do realise there was irony in you saying alcohol is your anti-drug, it isn't lost on me, I'm just reacting to the general anti-drug hypocracy out there.

An anti-drug is something you do in your life to keep you from taking drugs. Most public health campaigns use examples such as contact sports, interests & hobbies, and other such activities that keep your life interesting rather than resorting to drugs as an escape. I agree with it to an extent - taking drugs isn't improving your life but rather escaping it, you need to make your life good by itself, and use drugs for fun every so often.
My anti-drug is reading - I love feeling educated and informed.

I think it's fantastic that you inform yourself completely before using a drug. That will work with X, but no matter how much you inform yourself about cocaine, narcotics, etc., it's not likely you're going to do it once a month. It draws you in despite your knowledge of neurology, etc. I'm not saying a few people can't do coke on special occasions, but the addiction potential is enormous.

Also, you make a great point about alcohol. It IS a drug, always has been. It's mind altering, affects the brain and body, causes bodily (and brain) damage after a point. It's just a legal, liquid drug. I think they should legalize pot because it's very similar, but put the same restrictions on it as on alcohol. (I don't want my airline pilot stoned!) That has always amazed me that pot is illegal and alcohol is legal. Makes no sense. And that whole idea of it being a 'gateway drug' is ludicrous. As stupid as alcohol being a gateway drug.

I've never seen the anti-drug commercial, but I get the concept. What's mine? People, reading, my new hobby :D , and maybe more school... Also, keeping myself where access isn't easy. That's always been helpful. :)

Anti-Drug? Ugh. I suppose next we'll be calling warfare, Anti-War.

I'm glad I don't watch TV. You know what ELSE is a dangerous escape besides 'drugs'? Watching television to learn your lifes lessons.

Scotch Whiskey.
Tsk! Scotch Whisky never has an E, that's the Irish spelling.

Can common sense count as an anti-drug?

Marijuana! :p (yes I know...)

Tsk! Scotch Whisky never has an E, that's the Irish spelling.

Can common sense count as an anti-drug?

NO. Common sense has nothing to do with someone becoming addicted even if they try it one time.

Addiction can be to prescription drugs also. Taking it as prescribed, then more, etc. Once someone knows they're addicted, it's too late. Common sense won't do shit once your neurotransmitters have had the drug, if you are a person predisposed to addiction.

People take narcotics every day, as prescribed, in large quantities over large periods of time (say for cancer), their body is dependent on the drug but they aren't addicted. There's a difference. I thought I'd throw that in there.

Done ranting. :D

old age

its just not that attractive any more.

Lack of money. I just can't afford them, really.

NO. Common sense has nothing to do with someone becoming addicted even if they try it one time.

I've misunderstood anti-drug then, I assumed it was what stops you tkaing drugs in the first place. Obviously common sense won't cure an addiction.

My inability to buy drugs. Seriously though, it's just that I'm messed up as it is. If I tried drugs I would probably envision my leg turning into a cheetah and mauling me, then I'd shoot my leg. Doesn't sound fun.
Wtf?

I sincerely doubt you have that to fear. Just get a trip sitter and hide all your guns beforehand.

I dont' really have an anti-drug.

My bf woudl be disappointed/freaked out if I moved to anything other than pot and booze though. He went down that path and isn't too keen on others taking it.

Pain is the only true drug. Hurting yourself releases hormones in your brain and it has an effect similar to cocaine. You just have to remember to stop before you make holes in your skin 'cause that's a sure way to get all sorts of weird diseases.
I usually punish myself by warming up the sauna +100 degrees (C). Somewhere around 120 degrees is nice 'cause that's when the heat really starts to hurt.

Otherwise music is the best antidrug.

Only NS can turn a fun-begging topic into a drug debate.

Marijuana.

Seconding the marijuana thing.

Though I'm in Japan now, so I guess "not wanting to go to fucking no-human-rights-having prison and get deported just for possessing an herb" is my antidrug for the time being.

Caffeine: with it, I don't need anything else ^.^

Crack Cocaine...*twitches*...jk

Chocolate...

Syd Barret,Nick Mason,& Brain & David Gilmore

Not that.
Alcohol IS a drug, a harmful, addictive, mind-altering drug. I take ecstasy, no more than once a month, which is enough time for your brain to completely recover, and gives you 1 or 2 weeks of a completely normal frame of mind.
I hate alcohol. People treat it with such abandon. They abuse it, hence abusing their bodies, their brains and their families. People think that just because it's legal they can have as much as they want without worrying about their health.
With me and ecstasy, I have read so much about brain chemistry, body chemistry, nutrition, everything. I know what to eat lots of the week/day before and after taking it, suppliments that aid the effect as well as preventing neurotoxicity and tolerance, and just general things to be aware of and consider. Alcohol users, most of the time, have absolutely no idea what it is doing to them, what kinds of foods/suppliments they should take to help their bodies repair from the damage it does to them, and the optimum time frame between drinking.
Eh, sorry for the rant, but the whole elitism associated with alcohol pisses me off. Some people go all the way and scold me heavily about taking ectasy when they binge drink every weekend, as well as drinking throughout the week. And yes, I do realise there was irony in you saying alcohol is your anti-drug, it isn't lost on me, I'm just reacting to the general anti-drug hypocracy out there.

An anti-drug is something you do in your life to keep you from taking drugs. Most public health campaigns use examples such as contact sports, interests & hobbies, and other such activities that keep your life interesting rather than resorting to drugs as an escape. I agree with it to an extent - taking drugs isn't improving your life but rather escaping it, you need to make your life good by itself, and use drugs for fun every so often.
My anti-drug is reading - I love feeling educated and informed.

Alchol is also good for the heart and if I remember correctly can help reduce the risk of certain cancers (depending on the type)

I need no antidrug. I have no use for drugs either. I also don't need many things.

Anticrack. :P

It's kinda like Antimatter...don't mix it with regular Coke, whatever you do.

Anticrack. :P

It's kinda like Antimatter...don't mix it with regular Coke, whatever you do.

HA HA HA I get it, but it would kindof leave you, what is that wordm oh yeah, dead.

I never found a point to taking (illegal) drugs--especially those with lasting harmful effects.

I make it a point not to resort to an altering of my state of mind in order to achieve happiness. I can be rather content as I am. *shrug*

An antidrug is something that stops one from doing drugs? Then the obvious answer is:

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/images/Brain.jpg

My anti-drug is years of experience with damned near every drug known to mankind and being an alcoholic...and realizing exactly how much it F**KED UP my life.

Photoshop CS2.

*sigh*

Photoshop CS2.

*sigh*
Wow.

Why wow?

Why wow?
Um...uh...
*throws blue pellet on the ground and opens a wormhole to 1912.*

Dammit, wrong one!

*throws a NAVY BLUE pellet on the ground and smoke covers the entire room, allowing Colodia to make his exit*

Photoshop CS2.

*sigh*
You suck. :p I only have CS1...and I *paid* for it.

Caffeine, it's too much of a jealous bitch to let me try any other drugs except it's cousins, taurine and theobromine.

Alchol is also good for the heart and if I remember correctly
It's not the alcohol in wine that makes it good for you.

Dirty dirty sex. :)