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Explain how asking a perfectly legitimate question is "trolling."

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My opinion.

(For some reason, the most popular Google Image results are all Anti-ACLU stickers! ;))

I disagree with some of their views regarding the separation of church and state. I feel that many times they take it too far and forget that the idea behind this important part of the constitution is only to establish that there shall be no official state religion. Oftentimes they lose sight of that goal and seem to think that the idea was that government money should be scrutinized to make sure it never makes it into the hands of religious groups.

Other than that, however, I support the vast majority of what they do. They fill an important role in the US political spectrum and Im glad that there is a group willing to defend the civil liberties of everyone and not just those they agree with.

I don't really think too much about the ACLU. I'm more concerned about supporting the wife and kids. I actually have priorities and the ACLU or politics in general rank right around getting my septic pumped out.

My contributions to the ACLU are some of my fondest purchases.

They do their small part to purchase continued liberty and the rule of law for all americans, including my future children.

Explain how asking a perfectly legitimate question is "trolling."

A nation called 'The Anti-ACLU' post for the very first time in the NationStates General Forum in a new thread entitled; "What's your opinion of the ACLU?"

We don't need Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out. :)

In fact, I'm willing to bet a taco that you have at least one other nation that has posted on this forum. Am I right?

Explain how asking a perfectly legitimate question is "trolling."
I'm going to go with "Brand new nation named 'The Anti-ACLU' asking the question." Smacks of someone creating an account they're not afraid to burn gearing up for some trollin'. Certainly doesn't advertise 'reasoned debate' at the very least.

Prove me wrong, but my money is on LGs assesment.

A nation called 'The Anti-ACLU' post for the very first time in the NationStates General Forum in a new thread entitled; "What's your opinion of the ACLU?"

We don't need Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out. :)

In fact, I'm willing to bet a taco that you have at least one other nation that has posted on this forum. Am I right?

You are right, but still, I don't see how this is trolling. I'm genuinely curious as to what people think. I'm not flaming anyone who says they do like the ACLU. So, what seems to be the problem?

*Snatches taco, eats it*

You are right, but still, I don't see how this is trolling. I'm genuinely curious as to what people think. I'm not flaming anyone who says they do like the ACLU. So, what seems to be the problem?

*Snatches taco, eats it*

*has plenty more where they came from*

Cool picture though, eh? :)

*has plenty more where they came from*

Cool picture though, eh? :)
Kinda looks like something from Shadowrun...

d'oh, showed my geek hand. rats. So, who do I give this lunch money to, then?

What's wrong with the ACLU? I don't get it? :confused:







*smirk*






*giggle*






MWAHAHAHAHA!!! Falls over Busting a nut, LOL... Okay, nevermind, :p I know I know.

Kinda looks like something from Shadowrun...

d'oh, showed my geek hand. rats. So, who do I give this lunch money to, then?

*gives you a wedgie and stuffs you in a locker*

*gives you a wedgie and stuffs you in a locker*
Crap, well I saw it coming. Thats why I wear boxers and carry a pillow...

If it had to be somebody, at least it was LG...

Crap, well I saw it coming. Thats why I wear boxers and carry a pillow...

If it had to be somebody, at least it was LG...

Who else? :D

The only reason why I wasn't considered a bully in high school was because I also screwed with the larger older kids. And occasionally got my ass kicked for it.

Back to the topic:

The ACLU serves a vital role in the U.S: It provides free or low cost legal aid to those that have had their civil liberties denied to them. But like most organizations in the U.S., they tend to lean toward a political extreme. Similar to the NRA. They also serve a vital role; protect our right to bear arms. But they also drift toward a political pole that brings them somewhat beyond mainstream. There is no Happy Medium Arbitrators' Union. But if there was, I'd join in a millisecond. :)

Even for me, somebody committed to civil liberties, I don't like the ACLU very much. Plus, I don't like their opposition (though it be unofficial, to my knowledge) to economic liberty.

The ACLU is about as useful as the UN and just as dangerous. :D

The ACLU is about as useful as the UN and just as dangerous. :D


If not for the ACLU, who would provide low-cost or free defense to people and organizations that have had their civil liberties violated?

Also, what danger does the ACLU pose to anyone?

The American Civil Liberties Union is, on the whole, an excellent organization.

I think there are more important causes than several of the ones they have taken up, though.

The American Civil Liberties Union is, on the whole, an excellent organization.

I think there are more important causes than several of the ones they have taken up, though.


One must always choose his battles, though.

I like the ACLU, and respect and admire what they try and do.

However... they occasionally go too far in their persuit for what they believe is right, and, in one way or another, shorthand their mission by infringing on what cna be percieved as another groups' rights, and/or crippling the group of people they are trying to help.

Overall, however, the ACLU is good, and organizations such as theirs are essential beyond words to the preservation and protection of various individual rights.

If not for the ACLU, who would provide low-cost or free defense to people and organizations that have had their civil liberties violated?

Also, what danger does the ACLU pose to anyone?

The ACLU supports the dangerous myth that people are entitled to say whatever they want or to keep secrets from the government. If people go pointing out flaws with the US they just give propaganda to our enemies that they can use in their recruitment drives against us.

As for the so-called "right to privacy" do you want drug dealers and child pornographers to be allowed to lock their stuff up in a closet and then just be allowed to walk free because it was supposed to be hidden?

Our government's job is to protect our freedom, and its biggest obstacle in doing that job is powerful well funded socialist groups like the ACLU that go making the government's job more difficult whenever they need to find evidence of crimes or keep information away from our enemies.

Guantanamo and Abu Garaib would never have been problems if not for the ACLU trying to go and convince people that the military's efforts to protect our freedoms there were a bad thing.

And take a look at all the stories of police corruption in the media. If they wouldn't go reporting stories like that then maybe the people would have a little faith in the police. And the only reason that cops ever make up evidence is because the ACLU makes it so hard to find it in the first place. If the police were just allowed to arrest whoever they wanted and search wherever they wanted then there wouldn't be any corruption. Just like only people who have no money try to mug you for it, only police who have no authority have to intimidate you into obeying them.

... Plus, I don't like their opposition...

Clearly I like the ACLU quite a bit more than you do, but I do agree with you about their opposition. I hate their opposition. Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, the Republican Party, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. The ACLU's opposition are the most corrupt, powermad, and flat out dangerous people in the entire country. I don't see why you wouldn't take that as an indication that the ACLU themselves might be a pretty good group however.

The ACLU supports the dangerous myth that people are entitled to say whatever they want or to keep secrets from the government.

First Amendment Right

If the police were just allowed to arrest whoever they wanted and search wherever they wanted then there wouldn't be any corruption.

Forth Amendment Right

Hmmm... Your other points are equally flawed. But I'm assuming logic won't apply to someone who thinks exposing torture and intimidation tactics is wrong.

And take a look at all the stories of police corruption in the media. If they wouldn't go reporting stories like that then ...

... government could never be held accountable for its corruption.

It's what they do in banana republics and the third world.

Love it? Like it? Hate it? Dislike it? Somewhere in the middle?I'm a member. Whose puppet are you?

Where's the "I'm a member and give them money" option?

Where's the "I'm a member and give them money" option?


I'm a member and give them money, and I thought "I LOVE it" covered that.
;)

First Amendment Right



Forth Amendment Right

Hmmm... Your other points are equally flawed. But I'm assuming logic won't apply to someone who thinks exposing torture and intimidation tactics is wrong.
Maybe it's just benefit of the doubt, but I believe what was posted was satire.

The ACLU supports the dangerous myth that people are entitled to say whatever they want or to keep secrets from the government. If people go pointing out flaws with the US they just give propaganda to our enemies that they can use in their recruitment drives against us.

As for the so-called "right to privacy" do you want drug dealers and child pornographers to be allowed to lock their stuff up in a closet and then just be allowed to walk free because it was supposed to be hidden?

Our government's job is to protect our freedom, and its biggest obstacle in doing that job is powerful well funded socialist groups like the ACLU that go making the government's job more difficult whenever they need to find evidence of crimes or keep information away from our enemies.

Guantanamo and Abu Garaib would never have been problems if not for the ACLU trying to go and convince people that the military's efforts to protect our freedoms there were a bad thing.

And take a look at all the stories of police corruption in the media. If they wouldn't go reporting stories like that then maybe the people would have a little faith in the police. And the only reason that cops ever make up evidence is because the ACLU makes it so hard to find it in the first place. If the police were just allowed to arrest whoever they wanted and search wherever they wanted then there wouldn't be any corruption. Just like only people who have no money try to mug you for it, only police who have no authority have to intimidate you into obeying them.

:D

Satire, right?

:D

Satire, right?

I hope so...

The ACLU supports the dangerous myth that people are entitled to say whatever they want or to keep secrets from the government. If people go pointing out flaws with the US they just give propaganda to our enemies that they can use in their recruitment drives against us.

As for the so-called "right to privacy" do you want drug dealers and child pornographers to be allowed to lock their stuff up in a closet and then just be allowed to walk free because it was supposed to be hidden?

Our government's job is to protect our freedom, and its biggest obstacle in doing that job is powerful well funded socialist groups like the ACLU that go making the government's job more difficult whenever they need to find evidence of crimes or keep information away from our enemies.

Guantanamo and Abu Garaib would never have been problems if not for the ACLU trying to go and convince people that the military's efforts to protect our freedoms there were a bad thing.

And take a look at all the stories of police corruption in the media. If they wouldn't go reporting stories like that then maybe the people would have a little faith in the police. And the only reason that cops ever make up evidence is because the ACLU makes it so hard to find it in the first place. If the police were just allowed to arrest whoever they wanted and search wherever they wanted then there wouldn't be any corruption. Just like only people who have no money try to mug you for it, only police who have no authority have to intimidate you into obeying them.
You know, you might be happier in a country that doesn't claim to worry about things like freedom and equal treatment before the law. Well, just wait for a couple more years and maybe your version of America will come to pass. If it does, you can bet your ass I won't be around to watch it crumble.

On the other hand, I'm starting to wonder if you're not just a clever troll, since you're so outrageous in your assertions.

"Our government's job is to protect our freedom, and its biggest obstacle in doing that job is powerful well funded socialist groups like the ACLU that go making the government's job more difficult whenever they need to find evidence of crimes or keep information away from our enemies."

How can one rail on socialists (which the ACLU arguably does not ideologically qualify as--libertarian would be more accurate) and then suggest that government has a right to do virtually anything it wants in the name of the national interest? Um, is anybody else reminded of the hammer and sickle? Or the swastika?