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For those who have had enough of the esteemed Doctor, turn away. For those who haven't, what did you think of the last episode?

Like the rest of the series, I found it to be throughly enjoyable television.

wasn't it good? Nice how they made it relevant to today. Bring back Tom Baker! That's what I say!

yep. i agree. bit disappointed that christopher eccleston won't be in the next series though....

It was the best piece of TV I've seen in years.

The series alone is worth the BBC's license fee.

Too busy watching the United States Grand Prix qualifying.

much more interesting.

A very good show!

Are the Daleks really gone forever?

Next they better exterminate the cybermen...

The Daleks will be gone for a series and then probably return if they do a third one.

The series alone is worth the BBC's license fee.

*shifty eyes*

err, yes. License fee.

;)


As much as I love the series the ending was a little unsatifactory for me. But then again, I'm always like this with deus ex machina endings.


I liked the way the Daleks had become religious zealots though.

As well as the classic line "My - vision - is - impaired. I - cannot - see!"

In the old days, did they come up with a reason for the change of doctor like this time round?

In the old days, did they come up with a reason for the change of doctor like this time round?

Yeah the doctor died in a variety of different ways (cannot expand on that though, I only occasionally learn Doctor Who trivia accidentaly, never seen the old episodes). I think he got poisoned once, another time - fell from a great hight. Don't really know though.


I think once the top Time Lords forced a regeneration and exiled him to earth :confused:

THe new doctor will not be as good a Chris E. The eposide was a little to weird for me.

Really good episode. Best yet by far. Christopher Eccleston is going because he thinks he will get typecast - he already is! He cant avoid that

Really good episode. Best yet by far. Christopher Eccleston is going because he thinks he will get typecast - he already is! He cant avoid that

Surely the past tense is now applicable, seeing that the series has ended. ;)


Though. I was told he was going anyway. But it was meant to be kept a secret since RTD wanted the regeneration at the end of the series to be a surprise.

Though some blabber mouth at the BBC told the press about and a whole campaign of misinformation started.


No idea which version is right though:)

Christopher Eccleston will always be a Mancunian Jesus-come-again to me though :D

SIX MONTHS WITH NO DOCTOR WHO!!!

*sobs*

SIX MONTHS WITH NO DOCTOR WHO!!!

*sobs*

And then three months after that :p



Hopefully the Cybermen will be worth it :)

I hope they do them well, but looking at the series as it's been going so far, I can't believe they won't! Watching the ones from the eighties, I couldn't believe they were any stronger than tin foil. I liked the ones in Tomb of the Cybermen... that metallic fizzy voice gave them a real edge of scariness over the throaty quaverings of the later ones.

Good episode, liked the Dalek Religious Fanatics view, but...

To point out a very large loophole thats been bugging me...Earth in that period is huge, with colonies and all...and should still have a military, spaceships etc. A huge armarda uncloaks around Earth and...nothing happens. No Earth spaceships, no defenses, no minefields, no big space-battles...and the Daleks land on Earth and reshape it witghout seemingly losing a single ship...

Is it just me, or is that just a tad...odd? I know its Dr Who and all and therefore about the Dr, but the defense of Earth, in charge of a Empire with Billions of people, and its defense is left to half-a-dozen people with rubbish guns...?

damn good episode, what.
annoyed i missed last week's now :(

The return of the Cybermen next series is definately something to look forward to!

This episode was...well...meh...

*Sorry, I may have been the only person in the whole Country who thinks this but...why religious zealot Daleks? Why Rose as Bad Wolf? Why awful regeneration? Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong, but I was really looking forward to this episode, I mean come on, 400,000 Daleks, war, lots of people getting shot, return of the Emperor for the first time since 1966 (excluding audio adventures), introduction of new Doctor and so much more that could have happened, but it ended up as sentimental mush with Rose saving the day and the Doctor kissing her and taking the power of the time stream into himself and so forcing his regeneration I mean come on people! I've read better fanfiction stories (well, at least ideas...)
Sorry about the rant, but I've really enjoyed the whole series and was looking forward to so much from this episode, especially from the way it was built up, and I just feel a little cheated. The format they've used doesn't work properly for this story (2x45 mins) as by the time they've hyped everyting up (which takes about 30-35 mins) they gotta cram the resolution into about 10-15 minutes, it doesn't work! But meh...just do better next time (and believe me, I am happy that there is a next time!)*

Goodluck to Tennant and hope the new series is as good as (mostly) the last one.

Good episode, liked the Dalek Religious Fanatics view, but...

To point out a very large loophole thats been bugging me...Earth in that period is huge, with colonies and all...and should still have a military, spaceships etc. A huge armarda uncloaks around Earth and...nothing happens. No Earth spaceships, no defenses, no minefields, no big space-battles...and the Daleks land on Earth and reshape it witghout seemingly losing a single ship...

Is it just me, or is that just a tad...odd? I know its Dr Who and all and therefore about the Dr, but the defense of Earth, in charge of a Empire with Billions of people, and its defense is left to half-a-dozen people with rubbish guns...?

they said that earth collapsed after the doctor shut down satellite five. so maybe the great and bountiful earth empire let go of earth. from what the episodes showed of earth i can't imagine why they'd want to keep it.

Good episode, liked the Dalek Religious Fanatics view, but...

To point out a very large loophole thats been bugging me...Earth in that period is huge, with colonies and all...and should still have a military, spaceships etc. A huge armarda uncloaks around Earth and...nothing happens. No Earth spaceships, no defenses, no minefields, no big space-battles...and the Daleks land on Earth and reshape it witghout seemingly losing a single ship...

Is it just me, or is that just a tad...odd? I know its Dr Who and all and therefore about the Dr, but the defense of Earth, in charge of a Empire with Billions of people, and its defense is left to half-a-dozen people with rubbish guns...?

Well, I don't think the continuity is being strictly adhered to, due to the fear that it may alienate new fans (such as myself and many others).

I think that in the new Doctor Who series, the great and bountiful human empire never existed, it was a fiction created for the benefit of the humans.* That and there has been a 100 years of stagnation and hell. Earth has turned into a society of degenerates who didn't have time for such things like global defence. I mean. It isn't as if the Daleks were expected.




*May, have got the wrong end of the stick though. I was got stoned before I watched "The Long Game."


This episode was...well...meh...

But at least the Dalek emproer wasn't farting all the time ;)

For the rest of your post though, I sympathise with a lot of your points. The episode did appear a bit rushed and slap dash, as if they were only half confident in what they were doing. It probably should have been done over a longer period. And the literal deus ex machina ending seemed a bit contrived.

Though I did like the zealotry :)

As I understand it, the Great and Bountiful Human Empire never existed in that timeline, having first been derailed by the squidgepuff monster taking over the news channels then by the Doctor frying the squidgepuff, shutting down the news and breaking everything. The Doctor is the only one who ever mentions the Great and Bountiful Human Empire, as something that should exist according to history as he knows it, but hasn't due to aforesaid events. No-one else has heard of it.

The stagnation and general rubbish nature of humanity at that time is probably why there are no mighty spacedy ships of magnificent nature, though it wouldn't have mattered anyway 'cause the Daleks are hard hard bastards. Would've been nice to watch.

In any case I thought the last episode was brilliant and the ending an improvement on the usual psuedo scientific twist (turning the last Dalek nice after giving it human DNA had me spitting. Spitting!) Much better to turn one of the characters into a Time Ninja.

As well as the classic line "My - vision - is - impaired. I - cannot - see!"

In the next series we demand test tubes being used to stir cups of tea.

This episode was...well...meh...

Yeah, but it could have been worse. Certainly one of the duffers of the series though. I did like the Jack/Doctor kiss though. A nice touch.

Personally I think that for series 2 & 3 it would be a good idea to 'poach' some more of the Big Finish writers let them actually write the scripts while just relegating RTD to a backseat script editor/story manager role. It seems to have been him that actually managed to get the program back on the screen, but for all that his scripts have been the less successful ones.

The return of the Cybermen next series is definately something to look forward to!

This is excellent news! Earth will be destroyed.

Hope we see ome 4-parters. Seriously, the 2-parters had some of the best stuff this time arounf, imagine a properly done 4-parter.

This episode was good but I don't like the look of the new doctor. Ecclestone was brilliant.

Haven't seen it yet, so I'm just skimming the posts lightly, not wanting too many spoilers...

But Hell, hasn't this just been the most fun you've had with a television show in years? I've gotten palpably excited before every programme, and not once have I felt let down by the story, the performers, the effects, or the direction.

I hope it runs another twenty or thirty years. I honestly do.

But Hell, hasn't this just been the most fun you've had with a television show in years?

Certainly, but there was a marked range in the quality of the episodes.

Certainly, but there was a marked range in the quality of the episodes.

Undeniably. But all that says to me is that there's room for improvement.

Why am I so upbeat? Must be that coffee I drank.

Hope we see ome 4-parters. Seriously, the 2-parters had some of the best stuff this time arounf, imagine a properly done 4-parter.

That could be really cool if done properly

This episode was good but I don't like the look of the new doctor. Ecclestone was brilliant.

Well give it time. Tennant was only on for around 5 seconds ;)

What happened to black daleks VS white? Davros was leader of the white daleks, and the god empire dalek the black. They did'nt even mention them?
Anyone remenber?

As well as the classic line "My - vision - is - impaired. I - cannot - see!"

That was actually an actual line from a classic episode, I think from either The Chase or Death to the Daleks.

Yeah the doctor died in a variety of different ways (cannot expand on that though, I only occasionally learn Doctor Who trivia accidentaly, never seen the old episodes). I think he got poisoned once, another time - fell from a great hight. Don't really know though.

I think once the top Time Lords forced a regeneration and exiled him to earth :confused:


First Doctor: Exhausted and weary from his battle with the Cybermen, he collapses in the TARDIS and regenerates
Third Doctor: Suffers radiation poisoning whilst battling giant spiders on Metebelis 3
Fourth Doctor: Falls off a giant radio telescope after confronting the Master
Fifth Doctor: Manages to save Peri from Spectrox Poisoning, but doesn't have enough antidote for himself
Sixth Doctor: The Rani attacks the TARDIS, killing the Doctor
Seventh Doctor: Shot and wounded by a gang in Los Angeles.


There you go. The Second Doctor was never shown to directly regenerate, his face got all blurry, but they simply did not show him turning into the Third. We also didn't see the Eighth/Ninth Doctor regeneration, either.

As for the Cybermen, just carry around a lot of gold. That's the easiest way to destroy them. That or nail polish to eat away their chest units. Both are canonical methods of dealing with the tin monsters.

Oh and I'm Australian and I haven't seen the ending yet. Only up to Episode 5.

Personally I think that for series 2 & 3 it would be a good idea to 'poach' some more of the Big Finish writers let them actually write the scripts while just relegating RTD to a backseat script editor/story manager role. It seems to have been him that actually managed to get the program back on the screen, but for all that his scripts have been the less successful ones.


Well at least in the next series he is only writting 6 episodes.

I hope this trend continues.

Soon he will write non. Muahahahaha

That was actually an actual line from a classic episode, I think from either The Chase or Death to the Daleks.

I know. Hence my use of the term "classic line" ;)


Though I don't know which one. I think I first saw the line on wikipedia, and thought it was funny then :)

* First Doctor: Exhausted and weary from his battle with the Cybermen, he collapses in the TARDIS and regenerates
* Third Doctor: Suffers radiation poisoning whilst battling giant spiders on Metebelis 3
* Fourth Doctor: Falls off a giant radio telescope after confronting the Master
* Fifth Doctor: Manages to save Peri from Spectrox Poisoning, but doesn't have enough antidote for himself
* Sixth Doctor: The Rani attacks the TARDIS, killing the Doctor
* Seventh Doctor: Shot and wounded by a gang in Los Angeles.

So there was no forced regeneration at the hands of the Time Lords?


Though

"Seventh Doctor: Shot and wounded by a gang in Los Angeles."

Made me laugh. A fairly ordinary death at the hands of gang in the middle (well, near the end), of really exotic ones at the hands (?!) of monsters and the like :)

Oh and I'm Australian and I haven't seen the ending yet. Only up to Episode 5.

Well imo, you still have the two best to wait for. Empty Child and The Doctor Dances (eps 9 & 10 iirc)

Though I think you are gonna love the next one :)

The Second Doctor ending is one of the most hotly debated events in history. I stay by my earlier claim. The Second Doctor never implicitly turned into the Third, so it wasn't a regeneration sequence. Repeat, the Second never directly turned into the Third in any way, shape or form and it does not count as a regeneration sequence.

Fans (and in print form, in an upcoming Second Doctor novel!) have speculated that there is in actual fact commonly known as "Season 6b", in which the Time Lords have sent the Second Doctor as an agent to do their dirty work and at some point in "Season 6b", he eventually regenerates into the Third Doctor. This is a reasonably good explanation considering the events of The Two Doctors in which the Second Doctor and Jamie meet up with the Sixth Doctor and Peri. However, fandom and the novels do not fall into accepted canon and continuity within the TV show, it merely happens to fit with the facts.

The Seventh/Eighth Doctor regeneration was a little bit sticky. Sylvester McCoy had always maintained that he wanted to return for a regeneration sequence and he actually did in the 1996 television movie, albeit as a non speaking cameo. I haven't seen it myself, however. They couldn't exactly make it a Seventh, then Eighth Doctor romp, so they got rid of the Seventh early in the piece to make it an all Eighth Doctor outing. That was why it was so unceremonious.

Incidentally, Colin Baker, the Sixth Doctor was actually the only actor playing the Doctor to be fired from the job and the regeneration there was a bit messy as well as they had to shoehorn a regeneration scene. "Officially", the Sixth Doctor fell off an exercise bike, bumped his head and out came the Seventh. However, fans generally have accepted that the Rani's attack brought about the regeneration, rather than a stupid and silly (not to mention implausible) accident.

SIX MONTHS WITH NO DOCTOR WHO!!!

*sobs*

It hasn't been on the air here in Connecticut in 13 years... :(

...and both Sci-Fi & then BBC America only showed a few Tom Baker episodes before doing away with it, too...

Yes, but "season 6b" is just a fan idea to help explain the appearance of the Doctor in "The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors, and The Two Doctors" (imaginative titles!). Within accepted BBC TV continuity (as far as I am aware) the Doctor is forcibly regenerated by the Time Lords and dumped on Earth with all memory of how to operate the TARDIS removed from his memory (or at least blocked).

The 1996 Doctor Who Movie (aka The Enemy Within) did have Sylvester speak, just not alot. The premise of the Movie was good, and Paul McGann has since shown (or heard) himself to have been a good Doctor, but the script was bad and Eric Roberts portrayal of the Master (IMHO) was awful!

Oh, and that line "my vision is impared, I cannot see " is from Resurrection of the Daleks (It's bad I know that isn't it!). Though it probably has appeared before :rolleyes:

I am just really upset that there won't be anymore Billie Piper/Chris Ecclestone hilarity. Those two work so well together. But I have to admit I was happy to see Rose kiss the Doctor... it was about time. He'd never admit that he loved her, but yeah, SO implied. Jack kissing the Doctor was fantastic too.... So over all, I was a little disappointed, and I'm going to miss Chris, who is my favourite Doctor, just over Tom Baker, but it was ok and did satisfy. I wonder if they could have a prequel series and bring back Chris. Or maybe even another season with Chris and Billie. Cos geez...

:fluffle: Chris
:fluffle: Billie
:fluffle: Billie's arse and lips too ;)

I am just really upset that there won't be anymore Billie Piper/Chris Ecclestone hilarity. Those two work so well together.

As I understand it CE has stated that he hasn't ruled out doing radio work as the Doctor, which is probably a hint concerning the possibility of some ninth Doctor Big Finish audios, so we may not have seen the last of this pairing.

Quick trivia question: who was the first official ninth Doctor?

As I understand it CE has stated that he hasn't ruled out doing radio work as the Doctor, which is probably a hint concerning the possibility of some ninth Doctor Big Finish audios, so we may not have seen the last of this pairing.

Quick trivia question: who was the first official ninth Doctor?
Richard E Grant? Though I guess you could argue it was Rowan Atkinson...

I think that the reason Doctor absorbs time vortex energy was crap but the sequence His hands, head and feet burst into flames and morphed into David Tennant's was pretty neat. I'll miss Eccleston, he injected a bit of fun into the franchise, but I look forward to the next series...

My theory on the Eighth/Ninth regeneration was that it happened sometime during the Time War. But nobody knows...