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Je Sus CHRIST.

That thing's bigger than the Death Star I. Huge. It has World Devestators on it, it houses fleets of Imperators.

That thing is fucking insane.

Yeah, but I bet it gets crappy mileage.

And how small would your generative organs have to be for you to go and make that?

When you have to worry about your spacecraft folding up under it's own graviational pull, you know you've probably made it a bit too large.

Someone has their dimensions wrong. the Executor was MUCH larger compared to the death star than is displayed (I'm not proud that I know this, but for about eight years I knew everything there was to know about starwars star craft, and I can still name every last one of the classes off along with the designations of the notables from each class.)

Damn...I want one. Not as compensation, mind you, but for the ability to park anywhere in the Universe, and not worry about someone using the age old "I couldn't see your ship on the telemetry screen" excuse. Damned insurance rates are unbelievable for small ships in orbit around worlds that are littered with capital ships. *Sighs*


What SW book is Ultra Class from, though?

the Executor was MUCH larger compared to the death star than is displayed

Displayed is an Ultra Star Destroyer. Darth Vader’s flagship, the Executor was a Super Star Destroyer and much smaller than the Death Star. Remember, in Return of the Jedi, that A-Wing plowed into the Executor’s bridge and , as a result, it crashed into the obviously bigger Death Star.

that's nice, but does it transform into a giant maid with a vacuum cleaner?

Can't tell. But I would definitely send someone out with a can or two of spraypaint:

WE BREAK FOR NOBODY!

:)

"Man, do you mind if I attach leads to the poles of your planet and use the entire electrical generation capacity of your civilization for a minute? I gotta jumpstart my Ulta Star Destroyer. I left the left the planetary devastators on last night and now the battery's gone flat."

It's all well and good but who really wants the hassles invloved in running a ship that probably takes a crew of millions to operate and maintain. Jesus. It's like being a leader of a major nation. Or a world. Except that you actually pilot that world around and attack other worlds.

Sounds like a lot of trouble. Just give me omnipotence. That's all I ask. Make me the Almighty.

I'll sit back on the beach in St. Thomas. Have a few margaritas. Enjoy life. And if I feel like something in the world is annoying me, I'll deal with it as only I can. And as for the prayers, forget it. I'm going parasailing instead. My will be done. :)

No comparison with Death Star II?

I can come up with the following (According to StarWars.com):

The Death Star had 120 kilometers in diameter,

The Death Star II had 160 kilometers in diameter.

Then your average ISD with 1.6 km

and Darth Vader's flagship "Executor" with 12.8 km.

The scale here would make the Executor class ISSD something like 17.4 km long.

Let's just say that the scale is little off and the database is correct, that would still make that monster about 215 km long (290 km if according to the scale on the picture).

That thing would definitely kick ass. And for all the millions of people aboard, hey, you are a Dark Lord of the Sith when you get a toy like that. Even the Emperor used something like Force mind control over his minions (those who are weak in mind and easily influenced by your cunning). Why else would the Imperial Fleet have gone in complete disarray after the mishap of Endor?

Damn them Rebels! :mad: ( :D )

Crew of millions? I've piloted ships that big on my PC just using a mouse and keyboard. The imperium really needs to get around to inventing computers at some point and forget about freaking clones and droids.

:eek: Whoa :eek:

...Oh... urgh... crap, how am I gonna explain the mess on the keyboard?

That ship is gorgeous in both concept and execution. And firepower.

that's nice, but does it transform into a giant maid with a vacuum cleaner?
MEGA MAID!! 'Shes gone from suck to blow!'

And that is one massive ship! Far beats anything the Federation has!! It from Star Wars yea?

Wow - that dwarfs the Island-three colonies of Gundam....
But I wonder how it could stand up to a weapon like colonies converted into laser arrays?

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Je Sus CHRIST.

That thing's bigger than the Death Star I. Huge. It has World Devestators on it, it houses fleets of Imperators.

That thing is fucking insane.
In space, the only practical upper limit on the size of a craft is where you can find enough material to build it.

In space, the only practical upper limit on the size of a craft is where you can find enough material to build it.
and who'd be bothered to actually build something that ridiculously huge - i doubt it's as useful as just have a bunch of smaller ones, and it's probably much more expensive to build than the equivalent usefulness of smaller ships

and who'd be bothered to actually build something that ridiculously huge - i doubt it's as useful as just have a bunch of smaller ones, and it's probably much more expensive to build than the equivalent usefulness of smaller ships

Not to mention the amount of time required as well unless you have billions of nano-tech robots on the job.

and who'd be bothered to actually build something that ridiculously huge - i doubt it's as useful as just have a bunch of smaller ones, and it's probably much more expensive to build than the equivalent usefulness of smaller shipsI suggest you watch Austin powers to gain insight into the mind of evil.

"All I wanted was fricking sharks with lazers. Was that too much to ask for?"

I suggest you watch Austin powers to gain insight into the mind of evil.

"All I wanted was fricking sharks with lazers. Was that too much to ask for?"
exactly; small, simple, ridiculous things. not huge, complex ridiculous things

Is that an Ultra Class Star Destroyer in your galaxy, or are you just glad to see me?

Yep, Star Wars is the ultimate power gamer.

Impressive, but not effective. for the same cost and materials, you could have a fleet of smaller Star Destroyers and cover a wider area. With various Designs to counter various Threats.

and who'd be bothered to actually build something that ridiculously huge - i doubt it's as useful as just have a bunch of smaller ones, and it's probably much more expensive to build than the equivalent usefulness of smaller ships

"The embodiment of Palpatine's plans for extra-galactic conquest, the Imperium would have been as powerful as a Death Star, but much more mobile. Equipped with a small fleet of capital ships, thousands of fighters, and innumerable support craft, the Imperium would have had virtually unlimited range since it would also have carried several World Devastators to produce needed supplies. With this ship, the immortal Palpatine would have spread the Empire across the universe. Rumors suggest that the crew would also have been "immortal" as well, thanks to cloning equipment that would have been onboard. Thankfully, Palpatine was not as immortal as he had hoped, and the ship never progressed beyond initial planning before his final death. While some die-hard Imperials wanted to try and actually build it to use against the New Republic, saner heads prevailed and the Imperium remained only a terrible dream."

So yeah, it kind of makes sense. It's for invading other fucking galaxies

O_O

It needs a big-ass spoiler on the back.

Impressive, but not effective. for the same cost and materials, you could have a fleet of smaller Star Destroyers and cover a wider area. With various Designs to counter various Threats.

plus, i doubt it would deal with the key weakness of all imperial stuff - rope. silly bastards could never adequately deal with a couple of guys (or teddy bears) and a bit of rope.

and who'd be bothered to actually build something that ridiculously huge - i doubt it's as useful as just have a bunch of smaller ones, and it's probably much more expensive to build than the equivalent usefulness of smaller ships

The same argument could be, and was, made about the Death Star. Realistically, a fleet of Star Destroyers could do just as good a job - no, the planet wouldn't be an asteroid belt, but nor would it have an atmosphere, or even a solid surface. It's part of what the Star Destroyer line was designed to do - planetary bombardment. Yet the Death Star got built anyway. Why? Terror, pure and simple. It's the Tarkin Doctrine, which basically says that blowing up one planet makes everyone else shut up and be good, just so they don't incur the same fate.

The Empire has always been about building big, impressive things, all the way from the Eye of Palpatine, through the Death Stars and Super Star Destroyers, to this.

However, I have to point out: There's no /way/ that thing would fly. It's large enough to have its own gravitational field, for Someone's sake. Even if you could give it the momentum to start moving, and even if you could /stop/ it again, you'd never be able to launch anything from it. Palpatine was crazy. Utterly crazy.

(But it still looks cool)

Hey, you got that after I posted up a proposal for the Galactic Empire didn't you? Note that I had stated that the person got his length all wrong (ok, you can't note that because I requested it to be deleted). I suggested that we scalled it down in size because that thing would be bigger than the death star itself, which is already frickin' huge. Actually creating a 260 km ship would be godmodding in itself, though it would make a really cool Rp story line.

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I knew posting that thing up on NS would be a mistake.

Hey, you got that after I posted up a proposal for the Galactic Empire didn't you? Note that I had stated that the person got his length all wrong (ok, you can't note that because I requested it to be deleted). I suggested that we scalled it down in size because that thing would be bigger than the death star itself, which is already frickin' huge. Actually creating a 260 km ship would be godmodding in itself, though it would make a really cool Rp story line.

O_o

Actually, I got it from another website. You posted a proposal?

O_o

Actually, I got it from another website. You posted a proposal?

yeah, earlier this morning. And, I got the picture from the same website you got yours from. That was why I suggested you "got it from me."

The Death Star II had 160 kilometers in diameter.


Actually it's suppose to be 900km in diameter or somesuch, according to Inside the Worlds of Star Wars. Impressive considering the whole thing would have had a volume of 3.8E17 m³, the same volume as a couple million Star Destroyers 0_o

yeah, earlier this morning. And, I got the picture from the same website you got yours from. That was why I suggested you "got it from me."

Oh...

I was reading about it last night here (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=402&topic=21609111)

However, I have to point out: There's no /way/ that thing would fly. It's large enough to have its own gravitational field, for Someone's sake. Even if you could give it the momentum to start moving, and even if you could /stop/ it again, you'd never be able to launch anything from it. Palpatine was crazy. Utterly crazy.

I wouldn't say that. With Star Wars level technology, it might be possible. Then again, you would need some incredibly strong building materials just so that it wouldn't crumple when it started moving.

You people need lives. I like Star Wars too, but I don't nitpick every little detail...

Yeah, I realize i need a life as well. ;)

Meh, I'll take the "Firehawk" (http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/cgi-bin/i/Drawings/SW/FIGHTER3.gif) over that damn thing anyday.

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Actually it's suppose to be 900km in diameter or somesuch, according to Inside the Worlds of Star Wars. Impressive considering the whole thing would have had a volume of 3.8E17 m³, the same volume as a couple million Star Destroyers 0_o

[supergeekmode on]Well, I don't know where exactly they got those numbers from, but my sources tell me DS-I 120km and DS-II 160km.
The Death Star Technical Companion as well as the StarWars.com/database list those numbers.[supergeekmode off]

Besides that, I just stumbled over a figure that made the attack on the first Death Star even more daring and simply crazy:

According to the TechSpecs, there are supposedly 7200 TIE-Fighters, 2840 Blastboats, 3600 Assault Shuttles and 4 Strike Cruisers aboard. Plus those TIEs from the orbiting Star Destroyers (usually 72 of all kinds of TIEs per ship).

Then again, "never tell me the odds" eventually did work.

Oh, one more thing concerning the "crews of millions"... An Imperial Star Destroyer has a crew of 37,085 (depending on Darth Vader having a good day, that is). The Death Star has a crew of 1,206,293. So, for the well-oiled machinery of the Imperial Navy, that shouldn't provide any problems.

(The numbers are taken from various WestEndGames sourcebooks)

Anyone ever watch "Andromeda?" The M'Gog Worldship takes its own star along.

Anyone ever watch "Andromeda?" The M'Gog Worldship takes its own star along.

There are a small amount of similar constructs in SW, secretly built by the Emperor and given to his most loyal (and powerful) supporters. Of course, the worldships built are not as big as Earth-sized planets and the suns are artificial and a LOT smaller than a normal yellow star, but hey...

EDIT: Oh, and uh, reference Crystal Star for those who are wondering.

In space, the only practical upper limit on the size of a craft is where you can find enough material to build it.

However, when you start getting that big, you have to have an engine big enough to push the whole thing. And, with inertia like that, you're not gonna be accelerating the whole thing all at once. The strain could tear it apart, which wouldn't be so very fun for the minions inside.

Oh man! You backed your Star Destroyer into my planet! And I just had the continents detailed!

However, when you start getting that big, you have to have an engine big enough to push the whole thing. And, with inertia like that, you're not gonna be accelerating the whole thing all at once. The strain could tear it apart, which wouldn't be so very fun for the minions inside.

Some people have hypothesized that standard armor in Star Wars is neutronium, meaning the stress force required to tear it apart would be a lot more than the engines can generate.

[supergeekmode on]Well, I don't know where exactly they got those numbers from, but my sources tell me DS-I 120km and DS-II 160km.
The Death Star Technical Companion as well as the StarWars.com/database list those numbers.[supergeekmode off]

Besides that, I just stumbled over a figure that made the attack on the first Death Star even more daring and simply crazy:

According to the TechSpecs, there are supposedly 7200 TIE-Fighters, 2840 Blastboats, 3600 Assault Shuttles and 4 Strike Cruisers aboard. Plus those TIEs from the orbiting Star Destroyers (usually 72 of all kinds of TIEs per ship).

Then again, "never tell me the odds" eventually did work.

Oh, one more thing concerning the "crews of millions"... An Imperial Star Destroyer has a crew of 37,085 (depending on Darth Vader having a good day, that is). The Death Star has a crew of 1,206,293. So, for the well-oiled machinery of the Imperial Navy, that shouldn't provide any problems.

(The numbers are taken from various WestEndGames sourcebooks)

[übergeekmode]Inside the Worlds of SW list the DSII as 900km, as does the SWTC (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/), which used on-screen scaling to determin the true size of the battle station[/übergeekmode]

Bow before my geekiness!!!! :D :D

[übergeekmode]Inside the Worlds of SW list the DSII as 900km, as does the SWTC (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/), which used on-screen scaling to determin the true size of the battle station[/übergeekmode]

Bow before my geekiness!!!! :D :D

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[mastergeekmode on] Well, I'd like to think that StarWars.com knows what it posts on their pages:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/deathstar/index.html
http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/deathstarii/index.html
Plus, the Death Star Technical Companion states the following
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It doesn't necessarily mean those sources on www.TheForce.net/swtc are wrong, but they also critisize the number of troops aboard the space station and replace them by some vague number from some other book about science fiction: "The population of 31,622,963 postulated for the Death Star I in The Technical Book of Science Fiction Films is much more reasonable". It is?
Well, be that as it may, again the Technical Companion gives other numbers http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/DS-I-C.jpg
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Which I consider much more reasonable when, for example, compared with the crew of a star destroyer Imperial class.[mastergeekmode off]

Enough of the geekiness! The Death Star itself is a huge construction, no matter how big exactly. As long as the planet's gone, I'm happy!

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Je Sus CHRIST.

That thing's bigger than the Death Star I. Huge. It has World Devestators on it, it houses fleets of Imperators.

That thing is fucking insane.

Pffffffttt thats not big. I couldn't even pick my noise with that. And I bet its full of space wevils. And can you imagine the amount of oil that uses per lightyear?!?! No wonder we are suffering from galaxy warming with chuggers like that heating up space.

You come trying to sell your crappy second hand Star Destroyers with fixed mileage and Wookies in the engine shaftw and you expect respect! Why I ought to report your to the Interstellar Committee for Motor Exchange. I bet it doesnt even come with batteries included.

Here is the true ship of intergalatic domination:

The Death Borg Planet Masher 2068948 (http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/bascule/sand_mini.jpg)

Your new fangled Ultra class ship wouldn't last seconds before some of the bolts came falling of it or intergalatic rebels started invading it to save princesses who I have maliciously stolen. I mean a man has to do his evil deeds in peace and this ship has none of the standard security devices. Where are the auto locking doors? Do you supply wheel locks for free? How loud is the alarm system?

Weak. The power of that ship is insignifcant next to the power of the Force.