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Hi all, this is my first thread, as i am new to nation states.

Fear often is and often will be used to control people. Hitler used that tatic as did the aztecs and pretty much any government one time or another.

My question to you guys is this.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

Fear is such a good tatic that i will be using it so watch out. Also come to think of it The emperor in star wars used fear to gain control, so if we fall for the mass propaganda we may soon be building some death star and serving some old ugly guy with a hoody.

It is not my intent so offend anyone with the above, but if you are ofended you shouldent be, and therfore i really dont care if you are!!

I predict that in less than 2 pages, this area will be filled with a lot of arguments. Maybe I'll be right. Maybe I'll be wrong. Either way, I think I'll keep an eye on it.

Hi all, this is my first thread, as i am new to nation states.

Fear often is and often will be used to control people. Hitler used that tatic as did the aztecs and pretty much any government one time or another.

My question to you guys is this.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

I do not agree with the war on Iraq. It is a mistake.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

If you call randomly flying planes into skyscraper and killing thousands of people, fighting for freedom, then yes, they are freedom fighters.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

We didn't stop Russia, Japan, China, Pakistan, or India, because we know they are sensible, and their minds aren't clouded because they are oppressed.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

No

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

No, in America, your vote doesn't count, the electorial college's vote does, however. In 2000, Bush's opponent(Al Gore) actually won the popular vote, my vote, however, Bush won the electorial vote. That's why we now have a monkey for a president.


6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

I am American, however, there is no need for propoganda, as no matter what, Bush will force us to do whatever he wants. Before Bush; however, there was only propoganda in the form of "VOTE FOR ME!!!!" junk around election time.

Nazi leader Hermann Goering, interviewed by Gustave Gilbert during the Easter recess of the Nuremberg trials, 1946 April 18, quoted in Gilbert's book "Nuremberg Diary."

Goering: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece.

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Goering: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

Hope this helps.

Hi, a lot of good points there.

1) I agree, I think the US and UK governments used 9/11 as a reason to go to war, they were playing on people's fears of terrorists to go to war. Since there have been no WMDs found it means people are starting to realise they were manipulated.

2) One mans terrorists is another mans freedom fighter. I think that some peopel feel they have no choice but to resort to terrorism to get what they want done. Some people on the other hand purely use it to terrorize people, for exaple, I can't honestly say there was any genuine reason for 9/11 (not that I'd defend it if there was).

3) America seem to think they control the world, in effect, they are keeping other countries in line using fear. They're being hypocrites really, condeming other nations that have nukes and still keeping their own, what reason to they give for this?

4) I haven't, on of those books I've always wanted to read but never gotten around to. Doesn't mean I can't encourage other people to. Go on! Read it!

5) I know what you mean, I think we do almost live in an elected dictatorship. Still, under representative democracy, they are there to decide what's best for the country because we chose them to do that, not everyone always agrees with them. Also, even though I didn't agree with the war, there are a lot more people in Britain than those you saw protesting on TV, if everyone was against it what were the others doing?

6) I'm not American but they do have a habit of using a lot of Propaganda to get what they want. Problem is that Americans have so much that spares them the need to think that they'll just go along with it anyway...

Thinking of something much worse than the Emperor, just have to wait till the chav generation is the adult population, can you imagine what their government will be like?

Personally, I think fear is the most effective way of controlling a population. You just wait till I'm in control,then you'll know what fear is...

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

Depends. I'm not terribly keen on some of the more insane despots in the world having a nuclear button.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

Yes.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

Limited choice in government? We have a large number of political parties. It just so happens that most of them are stupid, so very few people vote for them. *points at Socialist Party and the like* It's not a limited choice, as such.

I predict that in less than 2 pages, this area will be filled with a lot of arguments. Maybe I'll be right. Maybe I'll be wrong. Either way, I think I'll keep an eye on it.

Most probably, I'm sure we could all try to get the ball rolling...

Um...Americans...are ...bad people...

Yeah, that'll do...

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

I live in a representative democracy. It's not perfect, but it's an improvement on the fuedalism or absolute monarchy or out and out totalitarianism. The improvment is often a matter of two steps forward, one step back. The invasion of Iraq was a step back, but still, we can recover. We can continue to improve the functioning of our democracies. For one thing we can try to make it impossible for our governments to go to war on the strength of a few lies. It's difficult but can be done.

And as for picking between Hitler and Pol Pot, well neither Blair nor Howard were quite as bad as they were. If you think both choices are evil, then pick the lesser of two evils. The introduction of preference voting would be an improvment that could make your choices easier and is an example of how your representative democracy could be improved.

if everyone was against it what were the others doing?

Leading normal lives.

just have to wait till the chav generation is the adult population

chav generation?

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)
You pretty much answered it yourself ;)
Yea I agree we're conducting an illegal war of aggression. I agree the USA used fear to get their population in line. Most of the US allies (my country included) just decided that democracy and representing the people doesn't have anything to do with eachother. Poland is the only notable execption. In my own country, more than 90% of the voters was completely against the war. It spawned the biggest demonstrations in 30 years. Still, the political parties didn't give a damn.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??
This really is an impossible question. It's in the eyes of the beholder. That said, anyone who'll suicide bomb civilllians isn't a freedom fighter in my opinion. Freedom, to me, means allowing civillians to persue their own agendas, free of fear of oppression.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?
Perhaps I should start by saying that I really don't agree with the concept of nations at all... But sadly most people don't think that way. I'm not sure the USA should try to stop anyone from developing nuclear programs. It seems to me the global community are better at it than the USA. Especially considering some of those countries devolop such programs in an attempt to free themselves of the constant threat of US aggression.
On the other hand, the US is very good at helping countries with nuclear arms to secure them so they don't end up in the hands of the people I define as terrorists (look above). And let me make it perfectly clear: I do not in any way support the development of nuclear programs, weapons or energy oriented, by any nation. And I do think the global community have a responsibility to do our utmost to prevent such programs.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)
Both. The movie sucked. Music was good tho.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?
I live in a democracy. Here we have a multitude of political parties. Governments here are always made up of several different parties, working together. Often goverments are the minority. And usually my country persues a more responsible and popular (as in best representing the actual voters opinions) policy when they are in minority. I am not a strong believer in democracy myself, but compared to things like US & UK democracies, I wholeheartedly reccomend my countrys way of running things.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?
As already stated, I'm not American. I believe you're right tho. And I'm pretty sure the lack of real free media has something to do with the situation over there. All us media is privately owned. Give such a thing time, and the media will end up bound to corporate interests. The same economic inetrests that dictates who can be a successful politician over there... Nuff said really.

chav generation?
Poor, uneducated, braindead and damn ugly Brits. Try googling.

Hi all, this is my first thread, as i am new to nation states.

Fear often is and often will be used to control people. Hitler used that tatic as did the aztecs and pretty much any government one time or another.

My question to you guys is this.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

Of course. It is a major motive in most things. Obeying laws, for instance, is all about fear, especially when you don't agree with them. Certainly much of the support for the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq was based on fear. Some of the opposition, especially to the invasion of Iraq, was too.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

All violence creates fear, so if that is your definition of "terrorist" (someone who creates fear through violence), there are countless terrorists in the world, most of them in governments.

If you are talking about people who deliberately take innocent life fo political or religious reasons, there are plenty of those too, again most of them in governments. Non-state terrorists often are fighting for freedom in one sense or another, but their cause does not justify their means.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

The nuclear powers should negotiate complete disarmament. It is the only solution.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

Easily one of the most brilliant books I have ever read.

I have never seen the movie. Like most movies of excellent books, it would probably just disgrace it.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

Not really, no. The United States has elections, but they tend to have little meaning when it comes to actual policy, especially towards other nations. There are other democratic means though - mass protest for instance, and civil disobedience - that are unfortunately used too little these days, and might begin to help democratify the government.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

The US government and media are quite good at it. I don't know if it is the "best" but it is rather effective in controlling popular opinion. I am American.

Hi all, this is my first thread, as i am new to nation states.

Fear often is and often will be used to control people. used that tatic as did the aztecs and pretty much any government one time or another.

My question to you guys is this.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called s that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

2) Are there many ist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between , and pal pot?

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

Fear is such a good tatic that i will be using it so watch out. Also come to think of it The emperor in star wars used fear to gain control, so if we fall for the mass propaganda we may soon be building some star and serving some old ugly guy with a hoody.

It is not my intent so offend anyone with the above, but if you are ofended you shouldent be, and therfore i really dont care if you are!!

1) yes
2) both
3)no
4) yes
5) no
6) yes i am, and no i do not

Limited choice in government? We have a large number of political parties. It just so happens that most of them are stupid, so very few people vote for them. *points at Socialist Party and the like* It's not a limited choice, as such.

Who even knows who the Socialists ran?

I mean, I do, but not everyone is as obsessed with these things as I am. I have yet to find anyone else (in actual life, not over the Internet) who does.

Most Americans didn't even know who David Cobb was, and he was on many of the state ballots. Many seem to think that Nader ran on the Green Party ticket, which is just wrong.

And I doubt even the small educated minority knows who, say, Leonard Peltier or Bill Van Auken are, or the parties they ran for.

Some candidates are ignored by the media, others are demonized. These things have considerable effect.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

FEAR IS USED TO FRIGHTEN PEOPLE INTO MAKING POOR DECISIONS THAT BENEFIT THE GOVERNMENT. THE GOV CREATES A THREAT,THEN OFFERS A SEEMINGLY GREAT SOLUTION(COMES TO SAVE THE DAY)THAT USUALLY INVOLVES LESS FREEDOMS AND TIGHTER CONTROL OF THE CITIZENS...

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

TERRORIST OR HERO? MATTER OF OPINION I SUPPOSE. HOWEVER,THE ENEMY OR REBEL IS ALWAYS CALLED A TERRORIST,REGARDLESS OF THEIR METHODS

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

NOONE SHOULD POSSESS NUKES. NOT ONLY IS IT A DANGER TO HUMANS,BUT ALSO TO NATURE

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

DIDNT KNOW THEY MADE IT INTO A FILM. A MUST SEE IM SURE.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

NO FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER BECAUSE THEY CAN ALL BE RUINED BY GREED AND CORRUPTION. DEMOCRACY HAS COME TO MEAN "RULE BY MOB." THE MINORITIES ARE USUALLY TREATED POORLY. AND THE MOB IS CONTROLLED BY THE ELITE,SO THE MOB ARE MERELY PUPPETS. THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS NOT FAIR TO THE MINORITIES OR THE MOB SHEEPLE. ONLY THE ELITE BENEFIT.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

I AM AMERICAN. THE AMERICAN MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT ARE GREAT AT SPEWING LIES AND HALF-TRUTHS. THE SHEEPLE EAT IT UP,WITHOUT THINKING OR TAKING THE TIME TO SEEK TRUTH. HOWEVER,AMERICA IS NOT THE ONLY PLACE KNOWN TO DO THIS.

Fear is such a good tatic that i will be using it so watch out. Also come to think of it The emperor in star wars used fear to gain control, so if we fall for the mass propaganda we may soon be building some death star and serving some old ugly guy with a hoody.

AMERICANS ALREADY SERVE AN OLD,SHRIVELED DARK SIDER. IN PLACE OF THE DEATH STAR,THEY BUILD THE NEW WORLD ORDER...

MOST AMERICANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE(GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS NOT WITHSTANDING) BUT MANY ARE SCARED,SPOILED,LAZY CHILDREN WHO DONT HAVE ENOUGH BALLS TO DO WHATS RIGHT: STAND UP TO RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT...

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

Most definitely. It's used in some countries less than others, but the US administration certainly attempted to play the world's fear of an Iraq under Saddam with moderate success.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

I believe you stop being a freedom fighter when you kill bystanders. Guerrilla resistance to a superior military force is acceptable as long as it only targets the military.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

That would reduce the balance of power and the first country to redevelop nukes could hold the world ransom.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)
Yes, read the book.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

Of course not. I live in a republic.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

Nah, North Korea has them beat by far. They've taken the approach of eliminating anything that could tell their citizens a different side of the story: No cell phones, bikes have only recently been allowed to travel on roads (for men, women still aren't allowed to).

Fear is such a good tatic that i will be using it so watch out. Also come to think of it The emperor in star wars used fear to gain control, so if we fall for the mass propaganda we may soon be building some death star and serving some old ugly guy with a hoody.

It is not my intent so offend anyone with the above, but if you are ofended you shouldent be, and therfore i really dont care if you are!!
I'm not offended... yet. ;)

Who even knows who the Socialists ran?

I mean, I do, but not everyone is as obsessed with these things as I am. I have yet to find anyone else (in actual life, not over the Internet) who does.

Most Americans didn't even know who David Cobb was, and he was on many of the state ballots. Many seem to think that Nader ran on the Green Party ticket, which is just wrong.

And I doubt even the small educated minority knows who, say, Leonard Peltier or Bill Van Auken are, or the parties they ran for.

Some candidates are ignored by the media, others are demonized. These things have considerable effect.

Yes, but we still do have the choice. We aren't given "Communists or communists". Whether it's an even choice is another matter, but we do have the choice.

When your public thinks they have the information they need to participate fully and equally in your society, then they have no reason to spend 5+ hours a day figuring out what is actually going on.

USA isn't a democracy. It's a republic, yes. But it has little to do with democracy. the elections you hold aren't even democratic, since your political parties are not allowed to run on equal terms. If a citizen has a normal job and a family, they have no real way of getting accurate information. They don't have time to spend hours reading global and local news coverage on independent sites.

About the 1984 thingy. Yea the book is brilliant. Nightmare inducing, but brilliant. The movei, however, is shit. And it only follows the book loosely. If you read the book, you'll be very suprised with the movie, and not in a good way. Just warning you. But the music is good :)

some great replies here! and i expected dumb answers. No offense.

One thing i want to make clear in defense of the "bad guys/terrorists" is that i really dont think they have evil intentions like the bad guys from all the american movies. America is at war, and so they were attacked (9/11) inoccent people died, and so the people behind 9/11 are called evil. However to say they are evil because they killed inocents tells me....

you think all war is wrong, because innocents die in war.

If i was at war with america i would attack there there 'trade centers', wouldent you????

and so the question is.........SHOULD WE BE ATTACKING AMERICA?

My veiw of this is no, due to my christin view on war. However if i was ever to fight a war it would be against those who are the greatest threat to a better future, and is this not america??

I do not have anything against americans just the government, much like the uk where i live. I hope all people live happy and good lives!!!!!!

Feel free to offened me people, there is no need to hold back, i welcome free speach and agression as long as it is met with compassion.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

Yes. The governments of the US and the UK are definitely using it.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??

They're terrorists. If they wanted freedom they'd attack their oppressor's governments, not random civilians.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?

They should get rid of their own nukes to set a good example.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

I've read some of it. Enough to notice it resembles the modern world.

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

There is hardly any democracy. Voting for your choice of two groups of old rich bastards to rule you from your capital city is NOT democracy.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

I'm not american, and it is very good at controlling the minds of its populace, but I dont know which country is the best.

Hi all, this is my first thread, as i am new to nation states.

Fear often is and often will be used to control people. Hitler used that tatic as did the aztecs and pretty much any government one time or another.

My question to you guys is this.

1) Do you think that tatic is used today to motivate people. (Many people were for the war in iraq because of the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the so called terrors that were behind 9/11, even though iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.)

Of course. Fear is the best method oof control. I've gotten into it so many times here, I've lost count.

2) Are there many terrorist in the world? or are they actually freedom fighters??
I say freedom fighters, but some are terrorists.

3) Should superpowers such as America try to stop people having nukes when they themselves have enought to destroy every human alive?
No. As much as I hate to admit it, I still trust the current Administration to not push the little red button that says "FIRE." We need them if we are indeed the world superpower because there are countries that actually are a threat to America, like North Korea.

4) Anyone ever read the book or seen the film "1984" (this is where the term 'big brother' comes from)

Of course. Big Brother loves you. The slogan "War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery" is even more evident today. Bush actually said "when we're talkin about war we're really talkin about peace."

5) Do any of you belive we live in a democracy? I for one am british and know most britains didnt want to go to war with iraq but we did. Also our choice in government is very limmited. What good is a democracy if we can only choose between hitler, and pal pot?

No. There will never be a true democracy as there will never be true Communism or fascism.

6) It seems so me that America is by far the best at pumping out propaganda, are you american? and do you agree?

Yes to both.

"...see, in my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda."--GWB, Greece, New York, May 24, 2005

Fear is such a good tatic that i will be using it so watch out. Also come to think of it The emperor in star wars used fear to gain control, so if we fall for the mass propaganda we may soon be building some death star and serving some old ugly guy with a hoody.

It is not my intent so offend anyone with the above, but if you are ofended you shouldent be, and therfore i really dont care if you are!!
Welcome to NationStates, my friend. Fear is indeed a good tactic. I say how evil the Bush Administration is for using it so effectively to control the masses, yet I use it in my arguments quite frequently though I try not to. If you don't believe me you'll be hearing a knock at your door from the FBI, I have connections and thanks to the Patriot Act, I don't need a warrent to arrest you. You need not fear a knock from the FBI if you agree with me on everything and blindly follow me and accept what I say even if you must Doublethink. :)

Some nice replys there m8, especially the quoting of bush and 1984, its scary stuff.
As long as they dont force us to have 3 little numbers placed on our head or hand i still have a little hope for the future, well for my future anyway.

Some nice replys there m8, especially the quoting of bush and 1984, its scary stuff.
As long as they dont force us to have 3 little numbers placed on our head or hand i still have a little hope for the future, well for my future anyway.

It won't be three little numbers, it'll be a bar code with 6's dividing all of those cute little numbers inbetween. And they won't force you to take a chip implant... because if you choose to not have one, well, you'll just die. Well, either that or by not worshiping an image, but I'd rather not get into all that hearsay and conjecture.