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We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!

I vote for a christian sovereignety in Europe!


(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).

(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).
Uh huh.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/frisbeeteria/fris/racism.jpg

Um, you are aware that there were Jews in Europe long before Christianity came around?

A friendly reminder:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/DoNotFeedTroll.jpg

Alright people, nothing to see here, just move along. Nobody feed the troll, and we can all go about our lives like we didn't see anything.

Alright people, nothing to see here, just move along. Nobody feed the troll, and we can all go about our lives like we didn't see anything.

I'm sorry ... but I cannot unsee the 2nd pair of eyes from the top in Fris's picture. Yikes ...

Can't we all just get along?

^ You wish. :-)

Yes, its very true, Jews came in before Christians. And I'm sure you know this too, because Jesus was a [blank] and founded [blank].

Who cares? People can believe what they want to.

People can believe what they want to.

Then I believe I'll have another beer. ;)

Hey, it's Jesussaves!

So long as the Christians don't defend you when I come up to your doorstep...

...Yeah, a joke...I'm joking...Joke...haha.

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!

I vote for a christian sovereignety in Europe!


(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).

OHH YEAH! You arent racist!! You are just anti-semetic!! In fact, Christian missionaries have come to other countries and advertised or enforced Christianity upon the people living in the country. You know what this was called? IMPERIALISM!! Europe invaded Africa, China, India, Latin America, Japan and many other countries. As a result, they enforced Christianity around the globe. That is why around 2% of the Indian population is Christian. In a sense, you are kind of a hypocrite but the fact that you really did not know this sort of makes me forgive you, not because of your misunderstanding, but mainly because of your lack of knowledge.

Although, I do agree with the fact that NO ONE should enforce their religion or culture on other people.

And, like everyone else said, Jews had been in Europe long before Christians did. And as a result, the Christians kicked the Jews out when in fact they should be embracing them because Jesus was in fact a Jew and everything the New Testament says is in the Old Testament.

I am a Christian, and I find myself totally speechless as to how to repond to the thread....

Instead of saying what comes off the top of my head, I have some questions that may help clarify your position:

1. what are the characteristics of Europe that make it "Christian" and when fdid this happen; and,
2. how are Europe and Jerusalem "holy" and when did this happen.

Hey, it's Jesussaves!

I thought Jesussaves was Drunk Commies?

Um, you are aware that there were Jews in Europe long before Christianity came around?

Are you aware that Jesus himself was a Jew? Are you aware that many Jews later became Christian?

I think this thread is pointless, however. Christians exists everywhere, even in these so-called "muslim" nations. India, for example, has a huge population of Christians, as do other Asian nations. Are you aware, Menotomesia, that much of Europe is athiest, Jewish, Muslim, etc.? Or are you just ignoring this.

Are you aware that Jesus himself was a Jew? Are you aware that many Jews later became Christian?

That's why anti-Semitism is against the basic tenets of Christianity, because hating Jews means you hate Jesus.

That's why anti-Semitism is against the basic tenets of Christianity, because hating Jews means you Jesus.

I totally agree. It's morons like Menotomesia that don't understand this.

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?
like those Jews who invaded Europe with their beliefs the early ADs?


I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!
those holy lands, that are in Asia, and were originally Jewish holy lands?

This sort of thing always amuses me. I'm Jewish and British and despite the fact that I can trace my ancestry back almost 1,000 years in this island I've still been told to "go home" and been asked when my family arrived here. To which the answer is usually, an awful lot longer ago than yours did, probably!

Foolish person.

This sort of thing always amuses me. I'm Jewish and British and despite the fact that I can trace my ancestry back almost 1,000 years in this island I've still been told to "go home" and been asked when my family arrived here. To which the answer is usually, an awful lot longer ago than yours did, probably!

Foolish person.

Wow, 1,000 years. Where did your family originate before they migrated to England?

Tsk! Scotland, not England. :) We're descended from a small group of Jewish merchants from Brittany and before that from Spain, or rather the Iberian Peninsula as Spain didn't exist.


Which actually raises a very interesting point, it's the mix of cultures in Sicily and Spain in particular in the early middle ages, where Muslim, Christian and Jew lived peacefully together that is in large part responsible for the flourishing of mediaeval art, literature and medicine that was the C11th Renaissance. I wonder if the original poster realises that without these Jews and Muslims the Europe of today would be a very, very different place indeed.

Must not insult. Must not insult. Must not insult. Oh fuck. This makes me want to bitch-smack something.........*goes in search of fundamentalists*

Although this person has not made his point well, he is pointing out a big problem in quite a few European countries.

In the Middle East, there have been quite a few clerics who have criticised the September 11th bombings but FOR THE WRONG REASONS. They have essentially been saying that the actions of al-Qaida have led to suspicion of Muslims immigrating into the West thus impeding their ability to invade Western culture not through strength of arms but through strength of numbers.

No where has this been felt more keenly than in Holland where a right wing politican and a director who criticised Islam have both been murdered by suspected Islamic extremists. Journalists critical of Islam have also received threats - Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday reported that he had been telephoned by Muslims, ordering him to stop his criticisms of Islam or else. Of course this is a notoriously right wing journalist writing for a notoriously right wing paper but we must observe the problems in Holland.

Muslim immigration is a large problem for Europe as it does threaten to engulf many native cultures through sheer numerical strength. Thus we must call into question the level of tolerance granted to Islamic preachers and followers of the Islamic faith. We must also call into question our immigration policy - part of the problem is that European countires have been allowing Ihams (sp?) directly from the Middle East into their countries. These Ihams speak promote extremism in the native Muslim population, especially among the unemployed and ill-educated young who are highly susceptible to the hatred spewed against Western idealogy.

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!

I vote for a christian sovereignety in Europe!


(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).




You know, about 2000 years ago the official European (aka Roman) view on Christianity was to take it's leading proponents and nail their fucking asses to a giant plus sign.


I'm not saying that they had the right idea.


I'm not saying they didn't.


I'm just looking at the historical context of the initial Euro view to this religion and considering which supposed viewpoint is the one we should "keep"

I thought Jesussaves was Drunk Commies?
*Shifty eyes* Or so we thought....

Tsk! Scotland, not England. :) We're descended from a small group of Jewish merchants from Brittany and before that from Spain, or rather the Iberian Peninsula as Spain didn't exist.


Which actually raises a very interesting point, it's the mix of cultures in Sicily and Spain in particular in the early middle ages, where Muslim, Christian and Jew lived peacefully together that is in large part responsible for the flourishing of mediaeval art, literature and medicine that was the C11th Renaissance. I wonder if the original poster realises that without these Jews and Muslims the Europe of today would be a very, very different place indeed.

My apologies.:)

Actually, the effect on Spain was dramatic. After they began exiling Jews and Muslims, they sank back in to almost another Dark Age that would end up costing them their dominance in Europe. All of these cultures' scientific contributions were halted, and the economy could not handle the loss of almost the entire educated portion of the work force.

These Ihams speak promote extremism in the native Muslim population, especially among the unemployed and ill-educated young who are highly susceptible to the hatred spewed against Western idealogy.

This is hardly new. Wherever you have a large immigrant population time is needed for them to become integrated into society and there will always be rabble rousers. The overwhelming majority of British muslims are peaceful, law-abinding and far from extremist. Those that are, are a tiny minority, a vocal one I will grant you, but a tiny one and one that feels itself to be under attack. Nobody can deny that there is an atmosphere of almost crusade-like rhetoric between muslims and supposed christians at the moment - in that atmosphere you can hardly expect people not to turn to a more fundamental interpretation of their faith and to fight against the perception that it's being threatened. Time will cure this, second and third generation immigrants are always more closely integrated and tend to feel more a part of the country to which they have emigrated.

(PS - it's Imam)

Actually, the effect on Spain was dramatic. After they began exiling Jews and Muslims, they sank back in to almost another Dark Age that would end up costing them their dominance in Europe. All of these cultures' scientific contributions were halted, and the economy could not handle the loss of almost the entire educated portion of the work force.

Very much so, never mind the Abassids even, in the Christian kingdoms of Spain, almost all of the medical and administrative professions were Jews or Muslims - running royal government, collecting taxes etc, up to and including being royal physicians. They were a vital part of the culture and the free flow of ideas allowed the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans (largely lost in the Dark Ages) to be reintroduced to Europe by translation from Arab texts. Then came the Reconquista and the glorious march of Catholicism. Sigh.

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!

I vote for a christian sovereignety in Europe!


(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).

Uh-huh. So, when Christians "invaded Europe", you weren't doing anything wrong. Nothing wrong, with where if they differed from Christians, they were burned at the stake or suffered other ordeals? Especially all those polytheists, they just couldn't be right, they had to be pursuaded to the right way, is this right?

The power of Christ compels you!
The power of Christ compels you!
The power of Christ compels you!

:rolleyes:

Fire and the sword. Fire and the sword. I'm a Dark Age historian and I grew very weary of that phrase, but it's the story of Christianity's expanse into Europe and subsequent expanse into South America and Africa.

Incidentally, the initial poster doesn't make at all clear which church we need to defend. Catholic? Lutheran? Anglican? Baptist? What?

That's why anti-Semitism is against the basic tenets of Christianity, because hating Jews means you hate Jesus.
Well, that and the entire "love thy neighbor as thyself" thing. Jesus spoke of love for ALL, not just those who agree. Its a shame more people don't listen.

Which actually raises a very interesting point, it's the mix of cultures in Sicily and Spain in particular in the early middle ages, where Muslim, Christian and Jew lived peacefully together that is in large part responsible for the flourishing of mediaeval art, literature and medicine that was the C11th Renaissance. I wonder if the original poster realises that without these Jews and Muslims the Europe of today would be a very, very different place indeed.

Ignorant people simply don't realize.

Well, that and the entire "love thy neighbor as thyself" thing. Jesus spoke of love for ALL, not just those who agree. Its a shame more people don't listen.

Amen, Right On, Sifat, Way to go, you deserve a sticker *hands them a sticker*

I agree with them 100%...

*hopes the original post is a joke*

Are you aware that Jesus himself was a Jew? Are you aware that many Jews later became Christian?

I think this thread is pointless, however. Christians exists everywhere, even in these so-called "muslim" nations. India, for example, has a huge population of Christians, as do other Asian nations. Are you aware, Menotomesia, that much of Europe is athiest, Jewish, Muslim, etc.? Or are you just ignoring this.

A very good point. There is no such thing as a country for one religion only. The Vatican is as close as it gets. Even in Israel a large percentage of the population is Muslim.

I vote for a stop to religion controlling people's minds!

You didn't answer my questions...

Wow! I thought I had seen it all in this forum but This brings new meaning to the word. What The FUCK!

Crawl back into the bomb shelter you came out of & come out when all the skin heads of the world have grown mulletts.

If your not being racist I hope you were trying to make some sort of twisted joke & the punchline is comming soon.

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Christian! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! Just keep Europe (and the holy lands, jerusalem etc) holy!

I vote for a christian sovereignety in Europe!


(not racist, just a discussion from a spirituality influensed nation).

We see that these muslims and other religions (jews, hindus christians etc) have 'invaded' Europe with their beliefs. We should take a stand against this, do we come to their countries with the intend to mix our culture into theirs?

I say! Keep Europe Pagan! Asia can be muslim or whatever they like! The middle east can praise dead arabs or whatever they like
I vote for a Pagan sovereignety in Europe!

Hey, we were here first. You just oppressed us into the background.

:p :p :p :p