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YOUR representatives in the General Forum parliament: Cool Dynasty 42,
Leonstein, Knootoss, Spaam and Argesia.
Offsite forum (http://s7.invisionfree.com/KIST/index.php?showforum=6)
Official thread on the forums (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418666)

Damn those buggy forums!

meh, if i wasn't a proud supporter of the UDCP i'd probably be with you dudes :)

I do not think that we have any rules against double membership. Feel free to join the party, Pure Metal. I for one am generally interested in your opinions. :)

I'm interested in joining but was wondering if your manifesto is written in stone.

Not as far as I am concerned, as I actually proposed some additions already :)

When we have a party democracy up and running we can go and talk about any ideas you might have :)

I do not think that we have any rules against double membership. Feel free to join the party, Pure Metal. I for one am generally interested in your opinions. :)
thats true, but i'm also a MP for the UDCP, so that might confuse things lol
i mean alien born ripped the hell out of the odd one for being a member of the udcp in the election debates :(

Well, you might be a little more moderate then the others. That is fine. Feel free to talk along, and I'd be happy to look at any proposals you might have. A reasonable UDCP can work together very well with us, I would think.

:headbang:
I have one question: can you get along with capitalists? Because I like some elements of socialism but I mainly like capitalism.

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I have one question: can you get along with capitalists? Because I like some elements of socialism but I mainly like capitalism.
Question is then: what do you mean by "some elements of socialism" and by "capitalism.
All in all we believe that markets are very good and efficient ways of doing things and organising an economy. Planning everything would just be too hard.
But we also care about those that fall by the wayside. If everyone only does what is best for themselves, you end up with a few winners, and a lot of losers (and that's the economics student in me talking). We want to maximise welfare for society by putting resources to their best use, including when we need to take taxes from rich people and give the money to poorer people through welfare, education, health care and so on.

What Leonstein says really, and I get along fine with people supporting a market system, as long as it conforms to socialist democrat principles of reason. :)

You have my support, as long as it's not TOO socialist.

I'm a member of UDCP but I do support your party in principle, there are aspects of your party that I prefer to UDCP and vice versa but on balance I chose to go with UDCP, in truth the parties are very close together, I'd suggest a merger but I'm not in any position of power

Well, I'd be happy to get in touch with UDCP people. I don't know about the other people in the party, of course, but it never hurts to talk. And again, double membership is not forbidden ;)

I guess this is probably my preference.

How does one join?

Does anyone have a link to the full election results?

thats true, but i'm also a MP for the UDCP, so that might confuse things lol
i mean alien born ripped the hell out of the odd one for being a member of the udcp in the election debates :(

Not quite true. I simply used the double membership of the founder of the DSP to equate the DSP with communism, it seemed fair and I felt that the voters needed to know what they were voting for.

I'm interested in joining but was wondering if your manifesto is written in stone.
No, modifications and suggestions for change would be accepted.

I guess this is probably my preference.

How does one join?

Does anyone have a link to the full election results?

Consider yourself 'in'. ;)

The DSP has five seats in a parliament of 25 seats. It is the largest party in parliament, together with the Classical Liberals who also hold five seats. (Official Results) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424018)

Not quite true. I simply used the double membership of the founder of the DSP to equate the DSP with communism, it seemed fair and I felt that the voters needed to know what they were voting for.
Except that we're not communists. At least, not now.

Not quite true. I simply used the double membership of the founder of the DSP to equate the DSP with communism, it seemed fair and I felt that the voters needed to know what they were voting for.

Which is not communism. Look at the list of the DSP MPs and you will find no communists. We have our own distinct voice in the parliament.

The point was the secrecy about the only one's double membership. Ariddia, for example, was openly a member of COTP as well as being the founder of UDCP. I saw nothing wrong with this as it was openly declared.

It was though, at the time, more than slightly worrying that a member of the UDCP would found the DSP without either clearly declaring that he was a member of the Communist party or resigning from that party.

As time has progressed it has become apparant that the DSP is being run by other individuals and the only one is not very active here, so the concern has been eliminated.

Then I would hope that your next electoral campaign will be based on fair arguments, and that the Classical Liberals will gladly and publicly admit that it was wrong in accusing the DSP of being communist-run. :)

As time has progressed it has become apparant that the DSP is being run by other individuals and the only one is not very active here, so the concern has been eliminated.
Fair enough.

Except that we're not communists. At least, not now.

It's good to see you're keeping your options open, Comrades.

It's good to see you're keeping your options open, Comrades.
I meant we may have been in the past. I've thought a lot about Communism. I love the idea, but it's not practicable.

you capitalist posers

you capitalist posers
Capitalist, yes. Poser, no. Not sure where that comes from. If anything, it's more poseurish (I like the u) to sit and type on a computer when you could be starting the revolution.

Then I would hope that your next electoral campaign will be based on fair arguments, and that the Classical Liberals will gladly and publicly admit that it was wrong in accusing the DSP of being communist-run. :)

Until such time as the founder of the DSP resigns from the UDCP such an admission would be false. If or when such an event occurs or alternatively there is a clear statement made by the DSP that no member of the UDCP shall hold a position of influence within their party, it shall be recognised publicly that the ties between the DSP and the communist movement have been severed. :)

Capitalist, yes. Poser, no. Not sure where that comes from. If anything, it's more poseurish (I like the u) to sit and type on a computer when you could be starting the revolution.

With what resources exactly?

With what resources exactly?
That didn't stop Lenin or Mao. You can go out and organize without having much resources. Put up flyers, go prosletyze at union mettings, etc. You don't need to be incredibly wealthy to be a part of "the material dialectic."

That didn't stop Lenin or Mao. You can go out and organize without having much resources. Put up flyers, go prosletyze at union mettings, etc. You don't need to be incredibly wealthy to be a part of "the material dialectic."

No but it's a little difficult to do it without any material at the minute (i need to go and see the leicestershire organiser) or any other comrades. We don't post fliers and hand out leaflets 24/7.

No but it's a little difficult to do it without any material at the minute (i need to go and see the leicestershire organiser) or any other comrades. We don't post fliers and hand out leaflets 24/7.
The revolution doesn't wait for sleep or flyers. Use your voice!

Alternately, you could say that the revolution is inevitable, so I don't really need to do anything. Which inside a Marxist framework would make sense, to a degree.

The revolution doesn't wait for sleep or flyers. Use your voice!

Alternately, you could say that the revolution is inevitable, so I don't really need to do anything. Which inside a Marxist framework would make sense, to a degree.

A revolution is only inevitable if people work towards it, it won't just be that we wake up one morning and find a socialist state occured spontaneously overnight.

and no, people like little colourful pieces of paper to read instead of some random communist standing on a soapbox with a megaphone.

A revolution is only inevitable if people work towards it, it won't just be that we wake up one morning and find a socialist state occured spontaneously overnight.
That's actually not true, at least in Das Kapital. The proletariat will inevitably revolt on its own as a result of cyclical capitalist predations.

and no, people like little colourful pieces of paper to read instead of some random communist standing on a soapbox with a megaphone.
Why's that? I've always thought being able to engage people is much more interesting than reading a propaganda sheet.

That's actually not true, at least in Das Kapital. The proletariat will inevitably revolt on its own as a result of cyclical capitalist predations.

The problem is that without direction a revolutionary proleteriat uprising can easily be quelled, such as in the French revolution


Why's that? I've always thought being able to engage people is much more interesting than reading a propaganda sheet.
In my experience people never actually believe anything you tell them unless you can give them the same information written down on a piece of paper. It's ridiculous

Yes. Quite, DHomme. Instead of yelling 'evil capitalists' in this thread you could actually reply to my other post in your own thread. The one that is actually about OMG CAPITALISM.

And I think you should just go outside and do something (anything) for your ideals. In an NS framework you could, you know, try and be constructive towards other leftist parties whom you will need to get a majority for your ideas, however unrealistic they may be. Election time is over, decision time has begun. The DSP is answering the voters calls - are you?

Or you could try your idea of occupying "key points of the general forum, with popular support" to overthrow the NS Gen parliament - which seems to be your idea of what should happen in RL. :)

Yes. Quite, DHomme. Instead of yelling 'evil capitalists' in this thread you could actually reply to my other post in your own thread. The one that is actually about OMG CAPITALISM.

And I think you should just go outside and do something (anything) for your ideals. In an NS framework you could, you know, try and be constructive towards other leftist parties whom you will need to get a majority for your ideas, however unrealistic they may be. Election time is over, decision time has begun. The DSP is answering the voters calls - are you?

Or you could try your idea of occupying "key points of the general forum, with popular support" to overthrow the NS Gen parliament - which seems to be your idea of what should happen in RL. :)

Sorry, I never really keep track of my threads, I probably should. I'll reply to it tomorrow because I have to go out now.

Maybe we should start spamming a few of the key threads. Hmmm, a good pinpoint attack to bring NS general to it's knees. I'll keep that in mind

The problem is that without direction a revolutionary proletariat uprising can easily be quelled, such as in the French revolution
That was NOT a revolution of the proletariat. The French Revolution was begun by a bunch of bourgeois lawyers who, with the aid of some sympathetic nobleman, used the French representative body to create a total upheaval in the system. It was a class battle between the bourgeoisie and the landed elites, a battle which Marx notes preceded the bourgeoisie/proletariat one. Direction also wasn't the problem there. Misdirection was. And the whole nation-state system.

In my experience people never actually believe anything you tell them unless you can give them the same information written down on a piece of paper. It's ridiculous
That makes no sense to me. Maybe that's just me. Anyway, it's probably better to talk to them than do nothing at all.

Goodie, we have a new thread, I think it's good (how come I didn't think of it :) ) Since The Odd One can't change the first page of our party this can be usefull.

There was an idea to merge with UDCP, wich is unfortunetly impossible, we do have large differences in our policies, but that doesn't mean we can't work together :fluffle:

Great, I joined the fight, even though I dislike violence :rolleyes:

bump (all I can manage with this infernal heatwave)

OK people I'll be gone for a week, I'm going on a debate workshop, in fact I'm thinking of resigning from my post as a MP since I don't have time to participate in debates (debate camp, 5 days after that I go to reggae festival, 5 days after that I go on 2 week trip to Romania) so if anyone wants to fill in (Deluze?) please do. I would like to be a MP but my absence would do more harm than good to the party that's why I'm giving up my post.

Is there any debate going on at this moment?

OK people I'll be gone for a week, I'm going on a debate workshop, in fact I'm thinking of resigning from my post as a MP since I don't have time to participate in debates (debate camp, 5 days after that I go to reggae festival, 5 days after that I go on 2 week trip to Romania) so if anyone wants to fill in (Deluze?) please do. I would like to be a MP but my absence would do more harm than good to the party that's why I'm giving up my post.
I'll fill in for sure.

Btw, Cool Dynasty, where are you going to debate camp? (I too am a debater).

Well it's a anual debate camp in my country (Slovenia that is) and we go to some mountain lodge and have intensive debate week. I also did participate in a couple international debate events during this school year (WSDC 2005 in Canada as a highlight) but I'm not certain what I will do next year...

[Me posting this proves that I'm obsessed with NS, I have to get ready to leave in 20 min, got to go]

Well it's a anual debate camp in my country (Slovenia that is) and we go to some mountain lodge and have intensive debate week. I also did participate in a couple international debate events during this school year (WSDC 2005 in Canada as a highlight) but I'm not certain what I will do next year...

[Me posting this proves that I'm obsessed with NS, I have to get ready to leave in 20 min, got to go]
Heh. I do policy debate in the US. That's cool.