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By there belief that we would actually believe this.

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

What do they take us for?

Is it just me, or are there no actual rabbits in that video?

I don't think there are. PETA wouldn't do that.

I just saw some raccoons getting rather savagely done in. No rabbits, though.

But they're protesting the treatment of rabbits. It doesn't make sense. :headbang:

Nobody stabs rabbits like that, it would ruin the fur. I think they mostly gas 'em these days, or maybe knock 'em on the head. PETA pamphlets are only good for laughing at, there isnt' an ounce of truth to them.

One thing's for sure: these rabbits in the video are just like the little SOBs who rummage through my garbage every night and routinely dug up my container garden ('til I covered all my flowerboxes with - ugh - chickenwire). I got close to zero compassion for these incredibly unendangered racc- uhh, these incredibly unendangered arboreal uhh - "rabbits".

Mass media breeds ignorance. Usually it preys upon ignorance as well.

There's a PETA 2?! How many do you need?!

Personally I think Rabbit stew is damned tasty... and the fur is nice too. But then I used to shoot the varmits (jack rabbits anyway) when I was a kid, and I think domestic rabbits were created for the same reason other animals were domesticated.... to eat or use for clothing.

This is an affront to sensibility...intelligent sensibility.

There's a PETA 2?! How many do you need?!

Its their kiddies section ;) The main site is at peta.org.

Jesus Harold Christ on a Motherfucking Rubber Crutch!

Okay, I'm no huge raccoon fan, and I think that PETA tends to value animal life more than most human life (like the memorable PETA-themed South Park episode) but grabbing them by the tail and beating them to death on the ground is unconscionably cruel. Regardless of your opinion of them as scavengers, no creature deserves a death like that. Also, the creepy child-like giggling coming from these thugs was unsettling -- it makes it easy to see where those who can do this to people come from.

whether or not there are rabbits or not, that video is sick and i sure hope this kind of cruelty doesn't happen much :(


ugh... that bit where the skinned racoon or whatever is still alive... fuck no.

Jesus Harold Christ on a Motherfucking Rubber Crutch!

Okay, I'm no huge raccoon fan, and I think that PETA tends to value animal life more than most human life (like the memorable PETA-themed South Park episode) but grabbing them by the tail and beating them to death on the ground is unconscionably cruel. Regardless of your opinion of them as scavengers, no creature deserves a death like that. Also, the creepy child-like giggling coming from these thugs was unsettling -- it makes it easy to see where those who can do this to people come from.

l whether or not there are rabbits or not, that video is sick and i sure hope this kind of cruelty doesn't happen much

I agree with you both.

I am not a huge fan of PETA, but that video was truly disturbing.

No, I didn't see any rabbits. There were raccoons, foxes, and minks. Skinned while still alive. :eek: :mad:

It is a bit deceptive in that they make it sound like the video is directly about the rabbit fur trade, but I think the point of the video is the cruelty associated with fur in general.

If there were videos or pictures showing rabbits being treated in a similar manner in order to get fur, would it effect your opinion?

--shnipp--
It is a bit deceptive in that they make it sound like the video is directly about the rabbit fur trade, but I think the point of the video is the cruelty associated with fur in general.

If there were videos or pictures showing rabbits being treated in a similar manner in order to get fur, would it effect your opinion?

Exactly. There's a reason slaughterhouses don't have windows. Things we are okay with killing because we eat them are no different than cute little otters or smart-swimming dolphins. The fact that someone could treat a raccoon like a sledgehammer without showing a similar scene with a cute little bunny doesn't mean that the bunny isn't out of the frame getting the same treatment. Principle.

By there belief that we would actually believe this.

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

What do they take us for?

I actually once saw (though I can't cite it now, it was about 10 years ago) how PETA was opposed to silk because its production isn't humane to the worms. The WORMS!!!!! Think about that! I'm serious.
While there is certainly some aggrevious wrong being done to animal life these days ... once I am convinced that every human being on the planet is being fairly treated, then I'll focus on the animals, okay?
If some Inuit guy needs to club a baby seal to make a blanket for his infant to survive the winter, guess what? I'm cool with that. If some Chinaman needs to throw his infant daughter under a passing truck so he can produce a male child, well, I do have a problem with that.
Cal lme crazy!

By there belief that we would actually believe this.

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

What do they take us for?


Naya, who cares? Rabbits while seemingly cute and cuddley creatures are really evil pesky monsters. They infact multiple like rabits! So who cares if my new shoes are rabbit fur lined!!

If some Inuit guy needs to club a baby seal to make a blanket for his infant to survive the winter, guess what? I'm cool with that. If some Chinaman needs to throw his infant daughter under a passing truck so he can produce a male child, well, I do have a problem with that.
Cal lme crazy!

And if this inuit guy clubs the babyseal just because he likes to cause pain, not because he needs the fur ? Or if it is not an inuit but a well paid hunter who only clubs them so rich ladies can wear the skin in designer clothes ? Or if it is some jerks that cut of the genitals of your dog, because they thought it was funny ?

Are you then still ok with it ?

You can be against both animal and human abuse you know. And believing humans are worth more than animals does not mean you must think animals are worth nothing at all...

There's a PETA 2?! How many do you need?!

Hell, I'd like to see a PETA 8 if it means they'll get a little less crazy each incarnation.

Anti-animal cruelty...Good!

PETA...So much more than what we bargined for. Its like what people FEAR the ACLU might become. A rabid anti-everything group that doesn't listen to itself speak; just rants on and on about everyone else's injustices.

And if this inuit guy clubs the babyseal just because he likes to cause pain, not because he needs the fur ? Or if it is not an inuit but a well paid hunter who only clubs them so rich ladies can wear the skin in designer clothes ? Or if it is some jerks that cut of the genitals of your dog, because they thought it was funny ?

Are you then still ok with it ?

You can be against both animal and human abuse you know. And believing humans are worth more than animals does not mean you must think animals are worth nothing at all...

I don't think MissDefied means that at all.

Insulted eh? Well get used to it

Unfortunately the world we live in can be quite cruel. Perhaps an understatement, but, nevertheless, a truth. Organizations like PETA (& its subsequent follow-up, PETA 2...*shudders at the name*) are an answer to these cruelties directed towards aminals (hee...aminals) If the wiseman was correct in asserting that "For every action there is always an opposite, and equal, reaction." Then people behaving like barbarians to animals will have that opposite & equal stance taken by groups like PETA. Act cruelly, have no feeling toward a living being as one clubs it on the ground, and/or skins it alive, then there will be those that take the stance that seems to mirror theirs. Only replace the cute & fuzzy with the standing upright & fuzz-less. By this, I mean that they will seem to be less compassionate towards their fellow humans where animal rights are concerned. (As, was previously mentioned, seen in the PETA episode of South Park. I advise cauton when interpreting that. South Park is satire of the highest degree, & should be taken as such. It's hugely funny, sometimes tasteless, but still satirical.) One should not blame PETA for their stances & ideologies. Only their actions when others are brought to harm. Although, last I checked, PETA doesn't bash people against walls, or skin them alive. By all means, be insulted, but the insult will serve at nothing if nothing is done to help prevent, and/or stop the violence witnessed in the link presented. I'm not stating that PETA (or...ugh...PETA 2) is correct in their endeavors, but perhaps they should be admired for their commitment & resolution when they are actually doing a palpable good. Any comments or questions, please, feedback would be enjoyed.

I agree with you both.

I am not a huge fan of PETA, but that video was truly disturbing.

No, I didn't see any rabbits. There were raccoons, foxes, and minks. Skinned while still alive. :eek: :mad:

It is a bit deceptive in that they make it sound like the video is directly about the rabbit fur trade, but I think the point of the video is the cruelty associated with fur in general.

If there were videos or pictures showing rabbits being treated in a similar manner in order to get fur, would it effect your opinion?
Wow, I completely agree with The Cat-Tribe about something. Strange day.

Anyway, one of the problems with the fur trade is that you can't have fur farms in the West because the animal rights activists will shut them down, but then people buy fur from countries with no laws (or unenforced laws) prohibiting animal cruelty.
So you either need to stop all fur sales or only buy fur from controlled sources.

EDIT: And next time give a warning!

I see no problem with using the fur... as long as it's done decently. Skinning them alive is unaccaptable. There are ways to prevent that, but then again, this seems to happen in certain countries where it doesn't surprise me. Not is it only unnecessary cruel, it's also ineffective. If you watch how long they take to skin that still living animal... why not shoot it in the head, like it's done in slaughterhouses here. Bang, done, no struggle when skinning. If you use'em, at least don't let them suffer.

It's the same thing with the transports of living animals across Europe, it's not necessary. There are better ways.

And well... that's the image of god doing this... lovely, no? I think, next time someone on the street tells me that humans are the image of god I might be tempted to bash his head in.

These animals were just killed for effect. Killing them like that ruins the fur.

By there belief that we would actually believe this.

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

What do they take us for?


that vid sickened me

What would PETA have to gain from lying to you?

I've seen it a number of times, it looks real to me (not that it should go without explanation on some details).

By there belief that we would actually believe this.

http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-wetseal.asp

What do they take us for?

Wait, are rabbits more liked than Raccons or are Peta 2 blind?


Hundreds of millions of rabbits are slaughtered each year for their fur and their flesh. Rabbits on fur farms spend their entire lives confined to tiny metal cages with no shelter from weather extremes and no chance to dig, jump, or play. To kill the rabbits, fur farmers break the animals’ necks or smash their skulls before stringing them up by their legs to cut off their heads.

Where are the rabbits?

If there were videos or pictures showing rabbits being treated in a similar manner in order to get fur, would it effect your opinion?
The fact of the matter is that they were protesting wet-seal because, and I quote "Wet Seal Butchers Bunnies

PETA has contacted Wet Seal officials repeatedly and sent them video footage to show them why consumers are infuriated by the sale of rabbit fur in the chain’s stores."

There were no bunnies butchered in the video. At the very least I expect them to protest about what they found, not cruelty to non-existent bunnies.

As an aside, does anyone understand what they're saying in the video?

Hey, you know what should happen to the rednecks in the video? I think maybe they should be clubbed with a large branch and skinned alive. Let's see how they like it.

I can't stand cruelty towards anything. I'm not some wacko vegetarian fighting against all slaughter; everyone that knows me knows I like some bacon in the morning or a nice roast for dinner. But the animals that are slaughtered for food are killed humanely: knocked out, juggular cut, gassed, etcetera. It's a quick, painless death.

But to intentionally cause another being harm, and to laugh while doing it, is completely and utterly disgusting. They are not worthy of living among decent humans. They aren't human. They aren't worthy of any compassion whatsoever.

So, why don't we see how they like how they treat other animals? I know I'll laugh while beating the living crap out of them and putting a filet knife to their flesh, because I know I'm ridding the gene pool of yet more worthless "people". Enjoy it, dumbshits.

Hey, you know what should happen to the rednecks in the video? I think maybe they should be clubbed with a large branch and skinned alive. Let's see how they like it.

I can't stand cruelty towards anything. I'm not some wacko vegetarian fighting against all slaughter; everyone that knows me knows I like some bacon in the morning or a nice roast for dinner. But the animals that are slaughtered for food are killed humanely: knocked out, juggular cut, gassed, etcetera. It's a quick, painless death.

But to intentionally cause another being harm, and to laugh while doing it, is completely and utterly disgusting. They are not worthy of living among decent humans. They aren't human. They aren't worthy of any compassion whatsoever.

So, why don't we see how they like how they treat other animals? I know I'll laugh while beating the living crap out of them and putting a filet knife to their flesh, because I know I'm ridding the gene pool of yet more worthless "people". Enjoy it, dumbshits.

I agree, gut the bastards and see how they like it...then i will laugh

Its their kiddies section

Indoctrinating them while they're young and suggestible...

Ah, the mystery is solved. This is the link to the video:

http://www.furisdead.com/feat/ChineseFurFarms


Now, they don't actually demonstrate a link between Wet Seal products and the aforementioned chinese fur farms. If and when they do, then a protest would be justified. However, if Wet-Seal is not connected to said chinese fur farms than their explanation for their protest is quite specious. Not all fur farms conduct their activities like that.

This looks an awful lot like a setup, nobody I have ever seen uses such practices, and if they did would they let someone take a video of it? Someone is trying to pull a fast one, besides the fact that they do not know a rabbit from a raccoon.
I do not hunt now or trap, but the first time I get hungry or cold there will be dead animals by my hand. I still eat meat and I have been to slaughter houses, they would not stay open 5 minutes using such practices. Where I come from if you were found doing such a thing to a live animal you might not wake up the next day.

This is fucking ridicuulous. Wet Seal allegedly kill a few bunnies and get threatened by PETA. Gap uses sweatshop labour and is praised by PETA. Well I guess rabbits are more important than starving children

I agree that Wet Seal has NOT been reasonably linked to the vieo in that link -- or linked at all, for that matter. That does raise the point of how well retailers and assemblers of raw materials like pelts know their suppliers and their practices.

If you're going to skewer someone for heinous acts like those in the video clip, I applaud the effort, but make sure the company you're castigating is indeed guilty of condoning those acts either by comission or omission. PETA is a good idea that has been and can be poorly executed by the zealous types they tend to attract. A zealot, even one with whom you agree, is still a zealot and still dangerous.

This is fucking ridicuulous. Wet Seal allegedly kill a few bunnies and get threatened by PETA. Gap uses sweatshop labour and is praised by PETA. Well I guess rabbits are more important than starving children

Very good point. Only problem with it is that there will never be a consensus about where every possible effort should be directed in order to eliminate one problem at a time. I wish it were possible, but for some, sweatshops take a back seat to rabbits. I've got no beef (oy vay...) with the crusade against animal cruelty -- everybody needs a cause, I suppose -- but it does make me wonder how much more could be done for people were all that money, time and effort refocused.

Have you people ever seen a Spanish traditional bull fight? Its not the brutal butchering of the animal, but that it has been a fanatical spectator sport for hundreds of years. Before you judge by what a couple of red-necked hicks did in their backyard, take a look at the big picture.

Have you people ever seen a Spanish traditional bull fight? Its not the brutal butchering of the animal, but that it has been a fanatical spectator sport for hundreds of years. Before you judge by what a couple of red-necked hicks did in their backyard, take a look at the big picture.

Bullfighting and some aspects of rodeo are ridiculously cruel, too. What's your point?

Indoctrinating them while they're young and suggestible...

Guess why I don't like PETA as organisation, even though I agree with some of their ideals...

I've got no beef (oy vay...) with the crusade against animal cruelty -- everybody needs a cause, I suppose -- but it does make me wonder how much more could be done for people were all that money, time and effort refocused.

Very little I fear. Fundamental changes require a much, MUCH larger support base - and even then it isn't certain that 200% more effort is 200% more result. There are diminishing returns :(

whop cares what they do to rabbits? They are called pests for a reason, does peta whine about stepping on cockroaches? I doubt it. Rabbits produce like, well, rabbits

My point is that animal crualty not only exists, but is even embraced around the world. We should focus on some bigger issues first. Not to mention that video appeared staged, or at least they tried to 'up' the cruelty in the video. The 'organization' they were working for appeared in a back yard in some remote area. Animal skinners almost always kill the animal before they skin it. This seems like a set up video where they were told to be as cruel as possible.

And if it is real, then its sad. But the clothes on your back were probably made by a machine in China ran by a 6 year old who is routinly beaten, working for 6 cents an hour. The punchline, "Stand back and take a look at the big picture"

This looks an awful lot like a setup, nobody I have ever seen uses such practices, and if they did would they let someone take a video of it? Someone is trying to pull a fast one, besides the fact that they do not know a rabbit from a raccoon.
I do not hunt now or trap, but the first time I get hungry or cold there will be dead animals by my hand. I still eat meat and I have been to slaughter houses, they would not stay open 5 minutes using such practices. Where I come from if you were found doing such a thing to a live animal you might not wake up the next day.
I saw a documentary on Chinese fur farms and apparently they are this bad. The one I saw however had him tying up a dog and skinning it with no attempt to stun it.
Believe me, you won't fake howls like that. :mad:


And if it is real, then its sad. But the clothes on your back were probably made by a machine in China ran by a 6 year old who is routinly beaten, working for 6 cents an hour. The punchline, "Stand back and take a look at the big picture"
Interesting that your counter point for cruelty was also China. Ever wonder if the two points are connected? A lack of empathy for an animal is tied to a lack of empathy for a human?

You jump to conclusions. I have empathy for every living animal. I dont agree with what some people in here say when they rant about enjoying watching this becuase a racoon tipped over their garbage. I think idealology is quite twisted and disturbing. And no one is saying that the animals are staged, which I think you were implying when you made the shady reference to the Chinese dog skinning. Everyone knows that these animals did die, but whether these shady instinces that are dipicted in the videos happen on mass scales in more then highly doubtful.