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More new documents show that British officials believed the US favored military force a year before the war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britmemos15jun15,0,3650829.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Also see:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8207731

and

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9125.htm

More new documents show that British officials believed the US favored military force a year before the war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britmemos15jun15,0,3650829.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Also see:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8207731

and

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9125.htm

You are late....very late....President Shrub already started the same topic a couple of days ago. There were 48 pgs on it i believe.

O and By the way, I agree that Bush is a warmonger

Actually, these have been newly released and just add corroboration to the Downing Street memo that President Shrub posted on. ;)

*yawns* Why are we still debating this since it started 2 years ago? Don't liberals know how to let things die?

*yawns* Why are we still debating this since it started 2 years ago? Don't liberals know how to let things die?

Sure they do. Look at that Schiavo lady after all.

(Did I just say that? Damn...)

In all seriousness though, this IS newsworthy; beyond that its fascinating for some of us; I'm writing about Rummy's activties in the DOD in this time period, so it'll make good research material for me.

More new documents show that British officials believed the US favored military force a year before the war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britmemos15jun15,0,3650829.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Also see:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8207731

and

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9125.htm
LOL. The second link said that there are SEVEN FUCKING MEMOS.

Bush and Blair are totally screwed.

I think not. People just don't want to know about Iraq any more... they seem more interested in Michael Jackson right now. Sheep.

Looks like the Blair squad can quietly sweep this under the carpet. :mad:

PAUL WOLFOWITZ..

THAT FUCKING BASTARD...

FUCKER... THEY KNEW IT, MAN.. THEY FUCKING KNEW IT! LOOK! HE SAID THAT THE KURDS WERE "LIVING WELL"! HE ADMITS IT! READ THE FUCKING MEMO, CONSERVATIVES! FUCKING READ THE MEMOS! FUCKING READ THEM!

On Iraq I opened by sticking very closely to the script that you used with Condi Rice last week. We backed regime change, but the plan had to be clever and failure was not an option. It would be a tough sell for us domestically, and probably tougher elsewhere in Europe. The US could go it alone if it wanted to... ...I then went through the need to wrongfoot Saddam on the inspectors and the UN SORs and the critical importance of the MEPP as an integral part of the anti-Saddam strategy. If all this could be accomplished skilfully, [sic] we were fairly confident that a number of countries would come on board....

...As to the Kurds, it was true that they were living well (another point to be made in any public dossier on Saddam) and that they feared provoking an incursion by Baghdad...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9130.htm

READ THE SHIT. AND THE REST OF IT. CONSERVATIVES, THEY NEVER SAID "THE KURDS WERE LIVING WELL." THEY SAY HERE THAT THEY NEEDED A 'CLEVER' PLAN, AND THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE 'SKILLFUL'.

THIS IS... UGHH. I HATE THEM.

Well its not a major thing in the UK really, if it wasn't even important enough to bring it up in Prime Minister's Questions yesterday then it can't be a great deal of importance.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ..

THAT FUCKING BASTARD...

FUCKER... THEY KNEW IT, MAN.. THEY FUCKING KNEW IT! LOOK! HE SAID THAT THE KURDS WERE "LIVING WELL"! HE ADMITS IT! READ THE FUCKING MEMO, CONSERVATIVES! FUCKING READ THE MEMOS! FUCKING READ THEM!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9130.htm
READ THE SHIT. AND THE REST OF IT. CONSERVATIVES, THEY NEVER SAID "THE KURDS WERE LIVING WELL." THEY SAY HERE THAT THEY NEEDED A 'CLEVER' PLAN, AND THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE 'SKILLFUL'.

THIS IS... UGHH. I HATE THEM.

How very civil of you

Well its not a major thing in the UK really, if it wasn't even important enough to bring it up in Prime Minister's Questions yesterday then it can't be a great deal of importance.


Well since the opposition (conservatives) wanted to go in as well, I think their bringing it up would et them hammered. and no-one bothers about the Lib Dems.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9130.htm

READ THE S***. AND THE REST OF IT. CONSERVATIVES, THEY NEVER SAID "THE KURDS WERE LIVING WELL."

Hate to interrupt you in mid-rant, but in this case, the Kurds' lifestyle in the no-fly zone was just a little immaterial in the run up to the war.

The infamous gas attacks on the Kurds were documented before the no-fly zone was enforced. After the no-fly zone became strictly enforced the Kurds gained much needed time to set up their own mini-nation in the northern Iraq region.

THAT'S why they were 'living well'; because they were a seperate nation in all but name, not by any virtue of the former Iraqi regime. If provoked, or deprived of the air cover that allied planes provided them, their enclave in the north would have been seriously endangered. Left to fend for themselves, there was a very good chance they would have been wiped out by Saddam's armies, even as weakened as they were.

So yeah, just remember the context of this time period when ranting. Oh, and please, stick with normal case lettering, its hard on the eyes otherwise...

Well since the opposition (conservatives) wanted to go in as well, I think their bringing it up would et them hammered. and no-one bothers about the Lib Dems.

Well if the Conservatives wanted the war and Labour won the war how did the vote to go to war only win by about 50 votes considering Labour had a majority of 116?
My point is that if these memo's were of major importance why isn't anyone questioning Blair. Furthermore Michael Howard was in support of the war but gave a damning report on Blair' infamous "Dodgy Dossier" which had the also famous 45 minute claim. This sparked off the Hutton Inquiry, believe me if there is a valid way Howard could get rid of Blair he will take it.
No one bothers with the Lib Dems? No course not :rolleyes: Why should anyone care about 10% of the house of Commons and part of a coalition government in Scotland. The Lib Dems have about 60 seats, considering Student fee's got in by 3 votes and foundation hospitals got in by 16 votes who's gonna care what way 60 votes go?

Hate to interrupt you in mid-rant, but in this case, the Kurds' lifestyle in the no-fly zone was just a little immaterial in the run up to the war.

The infamous gas attacks on the Kurds were documented before the no-fly zone was enforced. After the no-fly zone became strictly enforced the Kurds gained much needed time to set up their own mini-nation in the northern Iraq region.

THAT'S why they were 'living well'; because they were a seperate nation in all but name, not by any virtue of the former Iraqi regime. If provoked, or deprived of the air cover that allied planes provided them, their enclave in the north would have been seriously endangered. Left to fend for themselves, there was a very good chance they would have been wiped out by Saddam's armies, even as weakened as they were.

So yeah, just remember the context of this time period when ranting. Oh, and please, stick with normal case lettering, its hard on the eyes otherwise...
IF THEY WERE LIVING WELL, THEN WHAT THE FUCK DID WE CALL IT "IRAQI FREEDOM" FOR?!

IF THEY WERE LIVING WELL, THEN WHAT THE FUCK DID WE CALL IT "IRAQI FREEDOM" FOR?!
Because if we'd have called it Operation Iraqi Liberation, the acronym would have spelled OIL...
Seriously though, Americans love words like "freedom" and "making the world a safer place", even if they are inappropriate.

Bollocks.

Removing Saddam Hussein was US policy 5 years before Iraq's liberation.

Ever heard of the Iraq Liberation Act, 1998.

H.R. 4655

Shrub, you are the sort of bonehead people leave continents to avoid.

Parthonia, the word "anticlimax" leaps to mind. Pity it didn't leap high enough for yours though.

If they were living well, then why did we call if Iraqi freedom?

Simple answer to that, one that crosses party lines. There is more than one group of people in Iraq. Kurds are mostly populating the north, thus the name could apply to the other segments of the Iraqi population.

Seriously man, its not that hard. Just hit the ALL CAPS button again. My eyes will thank you.

Bollocks.

Removing Saddam Hussein was US policy 5 years before Iraq's liberation.

Ever heard of the Iraq Liberation Act, 1998.

H.R. 4655

Shrub, you are the sort of bonehead people leave continents to avoid.

Parthonia, the word "anticlimax" leaps to mind. Pity it didn't leap high enough for yours though.

well if your done insulting people. Make you feel better did it? Being able to string a few words together that would insult people but not be seen as flame? Do you really have that much time on your hands?

More new documents show that British officials believed the US favored military force a year before the war.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-britmemos15jun15,0,3650829.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Also see:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8207731

and

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9125.htm
This is hardly surprising. Bush told a reporter that he was gonna invade Iraq in March 17th 2003, in 2002, it was only a reporters word against the POTUS. I can't remember if he actually went in onthis date but it was very very close to it. I heard this in late 2002.