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Poll to come. What do you think of organized religion? I'm against authoritarianism, conformism and traditionalism, so you can probably guess my opinion.

Me, I hate indoctrination. That pretty much means I don't like religion in general.

I'm somewhat spiritual, and I believe in a higher power.

I also think that organized religion is probably the worst thing to ever trouble the human race.

I think you can guess what I voted. :p

I don't like organized religion, but unorganized religion and personal spirituality, I think has some benefits and isn't a problem. I have a personal religion I'm working.

Poll to come. What do you think of organized religion? I'm against authoritarianism, conformism and traditionalism, so you can probably guess my opinion.

i'm confused? if you're against authoritarianism that means you want people to believe what they want, but against traditionalism, you'd be against religion? i'm for authoriatarianism and against any form of religion, so if that's what your thinking you're wronge, most totalitarians actually are against religion.

I'm somewhat spiritual, and I believe in a higher power.

I also think that organized religion is probably the worst thing to ever trouble the human race.

I think you can guess what I voted. :p

Umm...Melkor?

i'm confused? if you're against authoritarianism that means you want people to believe what they want, but against traditionalism, you'd be against religion? i'm for authoriatarianism and against any form of religion, so if that's what your thinking you're wronge, most totalitarians actually are against religion.

After reading your post, I'm confused too. I'm not sure what you're saying, but here's my answer to what I think you're asking. I can be anti-authoritarianism and against organized religion because a religious organization (i.e. a church) is an authority.

I'm somewhat spiritual, and I believe in a higher power.
I also think that organized religion is probably the worst thing to ever trouble the human race. I think you can guess what I voted. :p
Ditto.

I am a Deist - we are about as disorganized as is possible... intentionally.

I am a Deist - we are about as disorganized as is possible... intentionally.

What is Deism again?

I think it has something to do with beliving we are all gods, or somesuch.

Aren't most religions organised? Take the Catholic Chruch..your given the 10 commandments, your given the bible. A man named Lucifer is bad and lives in a fire pit. You go to mass on Sunday, in a specially built temple.
If thats not organisation then I'm the Pope!

Poll to come. What do you think of organized religion? I'm against authoritarianism, conformism and traditionalism, so you can probably guess my opinion.


Whoops! I just realised that that is not sufficient information to guess my opinion! It could be the second or third. In fact, it's the third.

Aren't most religions organised? Take the Catholic Chruch..your given the 10 commandments, your given the bible. A man named Lucifer is bad and lives in a fire pit. You go to mass on Sunday, in a specially built temple.
If thats not organisation then I'm the Pope!

Yes, Catholicism is organized. Most famous religions are organized, because that helps them spread and indoctrinate. If you made up your own religion it wouldn't be considered an organized religion, and you could be the pope!

Aren't most religions organised? Take the Catholic Chruch..your given the 10 commandments, your given the bible. A man named Lucifer is bad and lives in a fire pit. You go to mass on Sunday, in a specially built temple.
If thats not organisation then I'm the Pope!

You forgot to mention the highly organised ranking system they have.

By organized religion, do you mean

People coming together and worshipping,

People coming together and worshipping under the tutelage of a learned one that cares about them, thier soul, etc..

People worshipping with recognized learned ones, but recognizing the need to learn for themselves and being encouraged by the learned to do so

People being told that interpretation is not up to them by a learned leader

Or scientology?

If you could answer, that would be great! :-)

But on a serious note, I don't have a problem w/ organized if they do not claim to hold a monopoly on religion, and are unwilling to recognize the divine in other religions. Unfortunately, this does not seem to happen very often, as one of the most influental world religions has taken the stand that one is doomed unless they prescribe only to a certain religious doctrine.

By organized religion, do you mean

People coming together and worshipping,

People coming together and worshipping under the tutelage of a learned one that cares about them, thier soul, etc..

People worshipping with recognized learned ones, but recognizing the need to learn for themselves and being encouraged by the learned to do so

People being told that interpretation is not up to them by a learned leader

Or scientology?

If you could answer, that would be great! :-)

But on a serious note, I don't have a problem w/ organized if they do not claim to hold a monopoly on religion, and are unwilling to recognize the divine in other religions. Unfortunately, this does not seem to happen very often, as one of the most influental world religions has taken the stand that one is doomed unless they prescribe only to a certain religious doctrine.

I suppose it is a bit vague. Organized religion is religion which works through an organization such as a church, which typically decides as an organization what is right and wrong beliefs/behaviours/etc. rather than an individual making the decision for himself/herself.

As for scientology, I'd agree that it is organized, but its questionable how much of a religion it is - more like a scam (after all, the founder said that inventing a religion was a good way to make money).

After reading your post, I'm confused too. I'm not sure what you're saying, but here's my answer to what I think you're asking. I can be anti-authoritarianism and against organized religion because a religious organization (i.e. a church) is an authority.

oh, i just assume you mean the political ideology, never heard it used in that manner.

oh, i just assume you mean the political ideology, never heard it used in that manner.

I see what you mean. It seemed the correct term etymologically. I think that restricting consideration of an ideology to government is a mistake.

, and you could be the pope!



OH Marmite Toast do you really meant it? The first woman pope. I shall call myself Fluzy Hula Buluza I. The Vatican is now referred to as the Pink Palace. And I will openthe Vatican library to all, well after I have a good look around and make sure to hide the books of the dead and living and such..some1 might use them against me ya know :p

OH Marmite Toast do you really meant it? The first woman pope. I shall call myself Fluzy Hula Buluza I. The Vatican is now referred to as the Pink Palace. And I will openthe Vatican library to all, well after I have a good look around and make sure to hide the books of the dead and living and such..some1 might use them against me ya know :p

I don't think you'd have much influence on the Vatican, seeing as you'd only be the pope in your opinion, but not in the opinion of Catholics...

I'm somewhat spiritual, and I believe in a higher power.

I also think that organized religion is probably the worst thing to ever trouble the human race.The same goes for me.

Well, God is a God of order and as such is bound to have an organization. Therefore I am for the organized religion organized by God Himself. (No not the Constantine religion)

Well, God is a God of order <snipperization>

God of order? What God of Order would create the random and useless duck-billed platypus?!?

God of order? What God of Order would create the random and useless duck-billed platypus?!?

cuz they are CUTE! :D

God of order? What God of Order would create the random and useless duck-billed platypus?!?

It's not as random as we used to think, there arte actually a great many monotremes in the world.

How is it more useless than any other animal? It eats, it sleeps, it breeds. Unlike humans it doesn't actively trash its environment.

What is Deism again?

I think it has something to do with beliving we are all gods, or somesuch.

No, it's basically believing in a god, but that they don't really have much of a effect on the universe.

No, it's basically believing in a god, but that they don't really have much of a effect on the universe.

according to dictionary.com: The belief, based solely on reason, in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation.

i think that organized religion is the stupidest thing ever

(before ppl start retaliating, i happen to have many religious friends who belive very deeply in their religion. i'm not attacking anyone, this is just my opinion)

i am agnostic... but do belive that there is something "up there" that the universe sprung from. however, i see absolutly no purpose in humans who have a "better connection" with this so called god. if they really are just human, why can we all have this same connection with our creator?

that just the flaw that i see with the whole thing

I remember hearing about the "Watchmaker" theory.

Is that deism?

I remember hearing about the "Watchmaker" theory.

Is that deism?

Never heard of it. Does it fit with the dictionary definition I gave?

Never heard of it. Does it fit with the dictionary definition I gave?

Probably.

From what I remember of the Watchmaker idea, God merely set the wheels of creation in motion, and has ignored Earth ever since. Like how a watchmaker sets the cogs working and never thinks about it again.

i'm confused? if you're against authoritarianism that means you want people to believe what they want, but against traditionalism, you'd be against religion? i'm for authoriatarianism and against any form of religion, so if that's what your thinking you're wronge, most totalitarians actually are against religion.

That's not true. Most authoritarians are against a religion. Specifically, they're against the religion of their political opponents or any that gains a great degree of popularity without being related to the reigning government. Even China allows religion, they only clamp down when those religions become politically powerful, such as the Roman Catholic church, or the Falun Dafa movement.

Only a couple have been against any religion at all, and usually because they got their propaganda wrong.

e.g. Marx was against religion because he was anti-authoritarian, and believed that religion was used to justify authoritarian regimes. Ironically, the Stalinists set up an authoritarian regime to eliminate religion.