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Since there's so many threads on religion (mostly about Christianity) I thought why not start up another about this web site I found? It's like a comic book about Catholics not being Christians. Now the views in it don't represent mine, I just thought I'd post it and see what your guys opinions of it are...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

Since there's so many threads on religion (mostly about Christianity) I thought why not start up another about this web site I found? It's like a comic book about Catholics not being Christians. Now the views in it don't represent mine, I just thought I'd post it and see what your guys opinions of it are...

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
chick ... that idiot is about as bad as phelps (sorry to be harsh but it is just silly)

Good four a laugh though :)

I agree. Chick is heavy-handed, follows twisted dogma and gives Christians a bad name...just like Phelps and the Army of God.

I am a Christian and Jack Chick does NOT represent me in any way, shape or form.

I agree. Chick is heavy-handed, follows twisted dogma and gives Christians a bad name...just like Phelps and the Army of God.

I am a Christian and Jack Chick does NOT represent me in any way, shape or form.
Glad to see someone agrees :)

I don't know who Chick is, but he did have many valid points about the errors of Catholicism.

I don't know who Chick is, but he did have many valid points about the errors of Catholicism.
He … and he is a fairly twisted bigot that completely not only misses the point of Christianity but gives the whole thing a bad name

I could only read so far before I got offended.

And I'm an Atheist.

He was exposing erroneous doctrines, I still don't see what is wrong :confused:

I think I've seen that site before. I wasn't sure whether it was a parody.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp

I like this one.
Apparently the Holocaust was a Roman-Catholic inquisition against the Jews, masterminded by those darn Jesuits.
The man(possibly) has imagination, Ill give him that.

He was exposing erroneous doctrines, I still don't see what is wrong :confused:
they are not so much erroneous doctrines as they are the doctrinal differences between (generally speaking since all protestant sects differ in the details) catholic belief and protestant belief. done in an inflamatory manner. exaggerated for shock value.

I think I've seen that site before. I wasn't sure whether it was a parody.
The sad thing is it is not ... he absolutly holds thoes beliefs

He was exposing erroneous doctrines, I still don't see what is wrong :confused:
No he was showing a DIFFERENCE in doctrines not necessarily errors

The sad thing is it is not ... he absolutly holds thoes beliefs

It would be funny if someone emailed him something like:

"Your site's quite funny, but goes too far in its parody of Christians. They're not that crazy!"

No he was showing a DIFFERENCE in doctrines not necessarily errors
Although I detest Jack Chick, after reading that tract, I can only agree with it. He's heavy-handed and inflammatory...but he's not wrong.

Also, he's not showing a "difference in doctrine". He's pointing out how Roman Catholicism openly and blatantly does not follow God's Word or the teachings as contained within the Bible.

When compared to biblical teachings, Roman Catholic doctrine is indeed in error in many places.

Although I detest Jack Chick, after reading that tract, I can only agree with it. He's heavy-handed and inflammatory...but he's not wrong.

Also, he's not showing a "difference in doctrine". He's pointing out how Roman Catholicism openly and blatantly does not follow God's Word or the teachings as contained within the Bible.

When compared to biblical teachings, Roman Catholic doctrine is indeed in error in many places.
there is NOTHING in catholic doctrine that cant be justified by "gods word" (plus some big thinking)

protestants may disagree, but that doesnt mean that there is no basis for the doctrine, just a different interpretation of scripture.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0054/0054_01.asp

I like this one.
Apparently the Holocaust was a Roman-Catholic inquisition against the Jews, masterminded by those darn Jesuits.
The man(possibly) has imagination, Ill give him that.
See? It's crap like this tract that makes me detest Jack Chick.

Either way, it's propaganda and it's largely inaccurate. Osiris, for example, wasn't a sun god, but a god of the underworld -- death.

It's just a shame that Chick and Phelps and their ilk feel they need to resort to such heavy-handed tactics to get their points across. Of course the Catholic Church has much to answer for, but mostly at its highest levels. And using the Book of Revelation as a factual source when it is merely prophecy is disingenuous and dishonest.

there is NOTHING in catholic doctrine that cant be justified by "gods word" (plus some big thinking)
How do you justify bowing down, praying to (saying rosaries/Hail Marys/etc) and, in essence, worshiping Mary/a statue of Mary? The Bible plainly states that man shall not worship any idol/graven image and that we shall put no other gods before Him.

See? It's crap like this tract that makes me detest Jack Chick.
I think its kinda wierd that he hates Muslims and Catholics more than any other religions, although his early ones seem to focus more on 'pagans' and devil worshippers.

How do you justify bowing down, praying to (saying rosaries/Hail Marys/etc) and, in essence, worshiping Mary/a statue of Mary? The Bible plainly states that man shall not worship any idol/graven image and that we shall put no other gods before Him.
They call it showng respect not worship

Even the hail mary only asks for her to PRAY for their sins

How do you justify bowing down, praying to (saying rosaries/Hail Marys/etc) and, in essence, worshiping Mary/a statue of Mary? The Bible plainly states that man shall not worship any idol/graven image and that we shall put no other gods before Him.
its not worship, no one thinks mary is a god.

if you really want justifications of every catholic belief, go to a catholic website, they have every answer you might wonder about. you might not AGREE with the answer mind you, but you will see that it all has a basis in scripture (plus 2000 year of big thinking)

How do you justify bowing down, praying to (saying rosaries/Hail Marys/etc) and, in essence, worshiping Mary/a statue of Mary? The Bible plainly states that man shall not worship any idol/graven image and that we shall put no other gods before Him.

The emphasis is on reverence, not actual worship. The Hail Mary does just that, it hails Mary as deserving of respect. The rosary's emphasis is on meditation of the divine mysteries and the Hail Mary is the prayer chosen because it helps focus on Christ. Mary is always below God, never above.

These religious tracts are so transparent it's hilarious. The kicker is when Chick says things like "It is a documented fact that the Gestapo was run by the Jesuits," and then shows no documentation. Or: "Listen to what a Catholic newspaper in Spain said about Hitler the day he died," and for SOME reason cannot NAME this newspaper. Surely, if the quote survived, the paper did, too, right? Or: "Germany signed a concordat in 1933..." PROOF, please! Ah, but you can't expect proof from a demagogue like Chick. He makes all these claims and "supports" them with other tracts written by other propagandists whose motives are never questioned and whose sources are never mentioned.

All this reminds me of what my Aesthetics professor always told us with regard to research -- "consider the source."

Consider, indeed.

They call it showng respect not worship

Even the hail mary only asks for her to PRAY for their sins
To be blunt: Mary is dead. How do the dead pray?

Christianity is a direct, personal relationship with God. There is nothing in the Bible about needing big churches, graven images of Mary, Jesus, the "saints", intermediaries, Popes, confession, Purgatory or any of a very long list of things the Catholic church has invented as part of its doctrine.

That said, I have to run some errands. I'll be back later to check this and other threads.

Then there's the stuff that's just plain vague:

"In the 1980s, the States were asked to vote on calling a Constitutional Convention to change our Constitution. Fortunately it failed on a close vote."

Uh -- SURELY something as important as a call to a Constitutional Convention would have been covered by, oh, I dunno, ANYBODY that Chick might name as a source?

This is no more than a whole big, steaming bucket of "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain", while the Great and Powerful Chick makes his unsubstatiated declarations intended to bewilder and frighten the faithful into irrational action. In that, he's no different that Himmler and Goebbels and Goering in his own right.

To be blunt: Mary is dead. How do the dead pray?

Christianity is a direct, personal relationship with God. There is nothing in the Bible about needing big churches, graven images of Mary, Jesus, the "saints", intermediaries, Popes, confession, Purgatory or any of a very long list of things the Catholic church has invented as part of its doctrine.

That said, I have to run some errands. I'll be back later to check this and other threads.
They are suposedly dead to this plane of existance but have ever lasting life beyond ... are you saying one could not pray from heaven if they chose to?

There is nothing in the bible about small churches ... displayed crosses, priests, or a lot of other things that christianity holds nessisary
BUT just because it is in there does not mean it runs contrary to scripture ... most of their beliefs are just a different interpretation
If you have a problem with that you may want to take it up with the crappy writers and editors that made the book so ambigous

If you read several of Chick's comics, you start having logistics questions.
Homosexuals with religous degrees who know nothing of Christian history
Bob Williams (The computer guy) who converts everyone he meets
Little Suzy Her grandfather is a retired pirate who taught her enough to get a doctorite.

All these people have to say is "The bible versus ___-___ show that I'm right, and these hardcore anti-Christians who don't know who Jesus is fall to his might.

There is nothing in the bible about small churches ... displayed crosses, priests, or a lot of other things that "christianity" holds nessisary


I agree wholeheartedly. Most of Christianity has strayed far from the mark.


As for the Article: it has a LITTLE bit of truth to it. But by and large it is a mean and vindictive piece of literature made to hurt and inflame. If they really wanted to point out errors they could've found a much more tackful way of doing it. Over all it is in very bad taste.

The Bible plainly states that man shall not worship any idol/graven image and that we shall put no other gods before Him.

Try explaining this to Christian fundamentalists who worship the bible and not god.

you might not AGREE with the answer mind you, but you will see that it all has a basis in scripture (plus 2000 year of big thinking)

Not to mention 170 years of no documentation and stories handed down through oral tradition, no documented first person references to Jesus, numerous translation mistakes and agendas, and various other details most people don't bother investigating.