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Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch. You will forgive me for being less than impressed by this 'revelation'. You're right. I'm a bitch. If by bitch, you mean, a woman who says what she means, tempering her words ONLY to abide by General rules, who is not willing to accept BS justifications and shoddy arguments at face value, who DOESN'T SHARE YOUR RELIGION, then yeah, that's me. Live with it.

I do not go out of my way to hurt people's feelings. I rarely make personal attacks, and if I do, I regret them, because I really hold no rancor towards anyone. If I come across blunt, it's because I am. If I come across as contradictory, it's because I am. If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am. See how that works? What you read into my words is just as important as what I'm actually saying, because it colours your opinion of those words.

So if you have a problem with what I say, or how I say it, feel free to send me more finger-wagging TGs. Better yet, bring it up here, and let me actually defend myself. I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'. I do not give you ownership of my words or my intentions.

And seriously. If you feel that strongly about my posts...take it to moderation.

I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'.

Who decided that it would be you who gives permission to take offence at what you post.

No permission is needed, it is a normal reaction by the majority here to a post that makes sense. :D

*points at her*

:fluffle:

Who decided that it would be you who gives permission to take offence at what you post.

No permission is needed, it is a normal reaction by the majority here to a post that makes sense. :D
Sure...but this is more a case of 'twisting my words to suit' the person...taking what I said, extrapolating it to mean that I'm ACTUALLY saying "x"...

Sinuhue: I'm an atheist.

Finger-wagger: Oh, so you're basically saying that I'm just a complete idiot for being religious, and that you wish I would be ripped apart by coyotes. Bitch!

Who decided that it would be you who gives permission to take offence at what you post.

No permission is needed, it is a normal reaction by the majority here to a post that makes sense. :D
I think it's the "randomness" that's the real meat of the sentence; with no seeming rhyme or reason. People are like that, though.

No permission is needed, it is a normal reaction by the majority here to a post that makes sense. :D
Just what are you implying, by the way?
*raises eyebrow*

Any one who calls a lady a "bitch" shows himself to be no gentleman. It reflects badly on the person who uses these words more than the person who is targeted.

A quote from a song for you then

All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm

:) I bet you're feeling better already!

Oh, one little thing, though:

...If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am...

Not all of Germany's Gartenzwerge are of the hard working, gardening type.

The following link is only provided to create a chuckle and/or a smile. It is not to taken seriously or intended to harm anything but your laughing-muscles!

http://www.tradition-shop.de/images/88171-1.jpg

Just what are you implying, by the way?
*raises eyebrow*
He's just saying you cannot have control over what they feel when they read, or how they react; no one could.

No worries. I like women with a good temper! :D

Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch. You will forgive me for being less than impressed by this 'revelation'. You're right. I'm a bitch. If by bitch, you mean, a woman who says what she means, tempering her words ONLY to abide by General rules, who is not willing to accept BS justifications and shoddy arguments at face value, who DOESN'T SHARE YOUR RELIGION, then yeah, that's me. Live with it.

I do not go out of my way to hurt people's feelings. I rarely make personal attacks, and if I do, I regret them, because I really hold no rancor towards anyone. If I come across blunt, it's because I am. If I come across as contradictory, it's because I am. If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am. See how that works? What you read into my words is just as important as what I'm actually saying, because it colours your opinion of those words. So if you have a problem with what I say, or how I say it, feel free to send me more finger-wagging TGs. Better yet, bring it up here, and let me actually defend myself. I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'. I do not give you ownership of my words or my intentions. And seriously. If you feel that strongly about my posts...take it to moderation.Blah Blah Blah... dissagreeable red-mead posts AND bitchy to boot! Oh my! Not Sinhue? What ever shall we do? :rolleyes: :D

Rock On and keep dishing out the Medicine, Woman (snerk) ;)

Actually I was saying that most of her posts make sense, which confuses a lot of posters here on NS general. She should not expect them tpo understand something that is considered and thought out, it is outside of their normal experience.

Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch. You will forgive me for being less than impressed by this 'revelation'. You're right. I'm a bitch. If by bitch, you mean, a woman who says what she means, tempering her words ONLY to abide by General rules, who is not willing to accept BS justifications and shoddy arguments at face value, who DOESN'T SHARE YOUR RELIGION, then yeah, that's me. Live with it.

I do not go out of my way to hurt people's feelings. I rarely make personal attacks, and if I do, I regret them, because I really hold no rancor towards anyone. If I come across blunt, it's because I am. If I come across as contradictory, it's because I am. If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am. See how that works? What you read into my words is just as important as what I'm actually saying, because it colours your opinion of those words.

So if you have a problem with what I say, or how I say it, feel free to send me more finger-wagging TGs. Better yet, bring it up here, and let me actually defend myself. I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'. I do not give you ownership of my words or my intentions.

And seriously. If you feel that strongly about my posts...take it to moderation.


Being completely clueless as to the context, let me simply say the following.


If you ARE a bitch you should be loud, be proud, and be the best goddamn bitch that you can be. No sense doing anything half-assed in this world, especially when it comes to being yourself.


And if anyone doesn't like it, well that sounds to me like their problem - not yours.


Fuck 'em all if they can't take the truth.... or a joke. That's my feelings anyway.

Actually I was saying that most of her posts make sense, which confuses a lot of posters here on NS general. She should not expect them tpo understand something that is considered and thought out, it is outside of their normal experience.
That's what I was worried about...the implication that I make sense...when I manage to royally confuse my own self.... :eek:

Being completely clueless as to the context, let me simply say the following.


If you ARE a bitch you should be loud, be proud, and be the best goddamn bitch that you can be. No sense doing anything half-assed in this world, especially when it comes to being yourself.


And if anyone doesn't like it, well that sounds to me like their problem - not yours.


Fuck 'em all if they can't take the truth.... or a joke. That's my feelings anyway.


Civility.....it's a good thing ;)

Actually I was saying that most of her posts make sense, which confuses a lot of posters here on NS general. She should not expect them tpo understand something that is considered and thought out, it is outside of their normal experience.
Ah, you were being mean. ;) I didn't catch that, sorry.

Civility.....it's a good thing ;)
Yes. But some people's definition of civility means, "Don't question my beliefs, even though I am using those beliefs as proof that what I'm saying is true" or "If I think your post has a mean tone, I'm going to assume you are making personal attacks, even if the post has nothing to do with me".

Yes. But some people's definition of civility means, "Don't question my beliefs, even though I am using those beliefs as proof that what I'm saying is true" or "If I think your post has a mean tone, I'm going to assume you are making personal attacks, even if the post has nothing to do with me".
That's also some people's definition of "open mindedness" and even "personal responsibility".

Zazu: There's one in every family, sire. Two in mine.

Zazu: There's one in every family, sire. Two in mine.


Did someone just quote the Lion King :eek:

Civility.....it's a good thing ;)


Now, now - please leave subjects from the Moderation board where they belong. I got warned for using a common cliche and I assume that my perceived intent was the deciding factor. I accepted that ruling, although I steadfastly deny that this instance of a Canadian making fun of Torontonians was personally directed.

It was their call to make, and they did so.


So how about you fucking drop it too.

Yes. But some people's definition of civility means, "Don't question my beliefs, even though I am using those beliefs as proof that what I'm saying is true" or "If I think your post has a mean tone, I'm going to assume you are making personal attacks, even if the post has nothing to do with me".


There's nothing wrong with questioning beliefs, as long as you do it in a neutral tone and with respect for the person it's directed at.

Now, now - please leave subjects from the Moderation board where they belong. I got warned for using a common cliche and I assume that my perceived intent was the deciding factor. I accepted that ruling, although I steadfastly deny that this instance of a Canadian making fun of Torontonians was personally directed.

It was their call to make, and they did so.


So how about you fucking drop it too.


It's called friendly advice.

That's what I was worried about...the implication that I make sense...when I manage to royally confuse my own self.... :eek:

It just proves that this thing of interpreting what you say to suit the reader cuts both ways. Sometimes it works to your advantage :)

There's nothing wrong with questioning beliefs, as long as you do it in a neutral tone and with respect for the person it's directed at.
You can TRY to do those things...but the crux of the problem is, how people perceive your 'tone' when the interaction is completely text based, is problematic. Assumptions are easy to make. The same goes with the 'respect' issue. Outright flaming, clearly disrespectful. 'Disrespectful tone'? That's a personal reaction, not necessarily something inherent in the post.

There's nothing wrong with questioning beliefs, as long as you do it in a neutral tone and with respect for the person it's directed at.


Well that sounds too fucking dull for words.....


Don't like my tone?

Too bad.

Until I am TOLD to stop by someone who has a say on this places policy, I will be who I am.


In the meantime, I must surmise that you are trying to goad me into another transgression so you can get me deated.


Well, I may be rude but I ain't stupid - so kiss off and try it with someone else.

It's called friendly advice.

It is not that friendly, and you know it, so cut the crap huh and let us get back to the topic here.

You can TRY to do those things...but the crux of the problem is, how people perceive your 'tone' when the interaction is completely text based, is problematic. Assumptions are easy to make. The same goes with the 'respect' issue. Outright flaming, clearly disrespectful. 'Disrespectful tone'? That's a personal reaction, not necessarily something inherent in the post.



I personally don't know what you said that was perceived as insulting and I don't want to go through the many threads looking for it, so could you provide me with an example please?

It's called friendly advice.
Friendly advice isn't necessarily friendly. 'Friendly' advice is what sparked this thread in the first place. Friendly advice can be pretty friggin' grating when it's patronising, accusatory, and from a poster who isn't really familiar with you. Not saying that about you, by the way, just making generalisations.

Well that sounds too fucking dull for words.....


Don't like my tone?

Too bad.

Until I am TOLD to stop by someone who has a say on this places policy, I will be who I am.


In the meantime, I must surmise that you are trying to goad me into another transgression so you can get me deated.


Well, I may be rude but I ain't stupid - so kiss off and try it with someone else.



It is not that friendly, and you know it, so cut the crap huh and let us get back to the topic here.



Oh, so THESE are the people who you were saying twisted the meaning of things said into insulting rhetoric Sinuhue. Yeah, they are a bit touchy :(

I think I know which post brought all this on, and I must say that I didn't find it insulting in the least - despite being a part of the group it was directed to. Not only did I feel it was obviously meant in a light-hearted manner, but I wouldn't have found the question itself insulting anyways. Granted, I haven't read the rest of the thread past my own post yet, but I doubt you said anything that would warrant any of this after that.

I think some people are so weak in their own beliefs that any question seems like an attack. This is the very basis of fundamentalism, at least as defined by sociologists who study it.

I personally don't know what you said that was perceived as insulting and I don't want to go through the many threads looking for it, so could you provide me with an example please?
Actually, I'm not going to post it...I think that would just spark off a "let's read it through and see if we a) support Sinuhue as being reasonable or b) don't" love/hate fest. Those that were offended let me know, though they didn't bother actually POSTING in that particular thread (apparently because I would publicly ridicule them, as one suggested in a TG). If they want to show you all what pissed them off, let them do so here.

And I have to admit, I was very surprised at the volume of negative TGs waiting for me...and then I went and took it all out on Jocabia.

Sorry Jocabia. There is my public apology.

*big angry snip* I'm very religious, and I don't think you're a bitch, especially after the whole social justice thing. :)

I'm very religious, and I don't think you're a bitch, especially after the whole social justice thing. :)
Hey...any thoughts on liberation theology?

Hey...any thoughts on liberation theology? I know nothing about it, except that it was suppressed by Ratzinger.

I know nothing about it, except that it was suppressed by Ratzinger.
Among others...:) You can't bad talk him anymore...he's the Pope.

*in Spanish, the Pope is called El Papa. Papa also means, Father...and potato. You have to wonder why this word would mean these things...*

Yeah, I don't have a problem with anything Sinuhue says. Wow, I almost choked on my cereal mid-sentence. I'm ok though!

-A Fellow Atheist

Among others...:) You can't bad talk him anymore...he's the Pope.

*in Spanish, the Pope is called El Papa. Papa also means, Father...and potato. You have to wonder why this word would mean these things...* Yeah, I can bad talk him because he's only infallible at certain times. Not that I object to much of what he says… not too much…

you might hit me for this but...
*point*

I had something to say but then I saw a cat chasing a squirrel in my backyard and forgot what it was :(

Sinuhue: I'm an atheist.

Finger-wagger: Oh, so you're basically saying that I'm just a complete idiot for being religious, and that you wish I would be ripped apart by coyotes. Bitch!

I know nothing of the debate... If the above is true and not just an example then "Finger-wagger" is absolutly right about the "I'm just complete idiot". I suspect that the "Finger-wagger's" "religion" has nothing to do with that.

:D

you might hit me for this but...
*point*
You forgot to wag your finger.

Could I just wiggle my finger instead? My pinky, maybe? 'Cause otherwise, I'm too busy typing...

*wiggles*

I made the dean's List every semester at Bitch College. actually, it was C**t University for the Advanced Study and DevelopMent of Extreme Women.
Graduated with Honors.

I made the dean's List every semester at Bitch College. actually, it was C**t University for the Advanced Study and DevelopMent of Extreme Women.
Graduated with Honors.
Heheheheh. I'll send my TGs to you then...I guess they weren't really meant for me, after all! :D

Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch. You will forgive me for being less than impressed by this 'revelation'. You're right. I'm a bitch. If by bitch, you mean, a woman who says what she means, tempering her words ONLY to abide by General rules, who is not willing to accept BS justifications and shoddy arguments at face value, who DOESN'T SHARE YOUR RELIGION, then yeah, that's me. Live with it.

I do not go out of my way to hurt people's feelings. I rarely make personal attacks, and if I do, I regret them, because I really hold no rancor towards anyone. If I come across blunt, it's because I am. If I come across as contradictory, it's because I am. If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am. See how that works? What you read into my words is just as important as what I'm actually saying, because it colours your opinion of those words.

So if you have a problem with what I say, or how I say it, feel free to send me more finger-wagging TGs. Better yet, bring it up here, and let me actually defend myself. I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'. I do not give you ownership of my words or my intentions.

And seriously. If you feel that strongly about my posts...take it to moderation.

That's odd... I've been to several threads you've started, and seen a lot of your posts, and I've never considered you to be CLOSE to a bitch! You seem really cool to me! :)

That's odd... I've been to several threads you've started, and seen a lot of your posts, and I've never considered you to be CLOSE to a bitch! You seem really cool to me! :)
On the other hand, she does have some bitchin' ideas!

You can't bad talk him anymore...he's the Pope.


Watch me.

This is a man -- nothing more, nothing less -- a man who won an apocryphal and cabalistic popularity contest. He wears the biggest hat in the Catholic Church and that makes him special? How am I supposed to take Catholicism seriously when their pecking order is based on the size of the person's hat?

Anyway, back to the original topic. It's my belief that anyone who doesn't appreciate ANYONE, but especially a woman, who knows her shit and can synthesize a coherent and compelling opinion from her experience and other sources -- anyone so small and afraid as to bring out the "bitch" label for someone that remarkable -- is bathing in their own fear and self-doubt.

I say, let 'em get all pruny in that bath and HAIL TO THE BITCHES!

By the way, Occidio, I'd like to know -- just where is C**t University? I'd love to enroll -- or be a guest lecturer -- or a demonstration model...heh. :D

That's odd... I've been to several threads you've started, and seen a lot of your posts, and I've never considered you to be CLOSE to a bitch! You seem really cool to me! :)

I agree completely. Although I havent been around here for long I have noticed a number of Sinuhue's posts and havnt found any of them to be bitchy. In fact most of them have been pretty interesting - keep on posting Sinuhue and i'll keep on reading.

As for the finger-waggers, you would be as well to ignore them and just delete the TGs they send (though thats up to you). Half of them are probably reading through posts purely to find something to complain about!

<snip>
By the way, Occidio, I'd like to know -- just where is C**t University? I'd love to enroll -- or be a guest lecturer -- or a demonstration model...heh. :D

I'd like to get my doctorate there! (I may be far beyond that though...) In my past business dealings, let's say I lacked diplomacy. (Truth is I went straight from bitch to c**t!) My manager was afraid of me. He would run the other way everytime I'd try to approach him! Of course, standing up in a meeting and telling someone their idea is a stupid waste of time and won't bring in any more clients, (at the top of my lungs), is a bit beyond assertive. (I've been known to go beyond c**t to antichrist at times...) :D ;)

Sinuhue, don't let NSers get to you. Who gives a fcuk what they think. You just probably were called such names by early adolesencents, I myself have been called worse and its always by ppl under 15 so no stress. I happen to think that your post are always informed, not contrived of the usual bulls*%t some ppl sphew!

And remember: He who points last, points the longest(?) :confused:

That's odd... I've been to several threads you've started, and seen a lot of your posts, and I've never considered you to be CLOSE to a bitch! You seem really cool to me! :)


I agree. I don't post a lot just because I don't have the time to keep up with a subject after I have posted on it. It may be a couple of days between visits. I do read a lot though and find that I agree with most of what you say. I don't percieve you as being rude or bitchy just self-confident and intelligent and not afraid to say what is on your mind.

That in itself sometimes makes people feel threatened and in turn makes them want to lash out at something or someone.

Their problem. Have a good day.

have no idea what sparked all this off but from what I have seen of you Sinuhue you are a strong minded, intelligent and independant person with an open mind

of course there are people who arent as confident in their own personal belief system and the petty of those usually call those of us who are bitches

ignore em and carry on being you as many of us find you to be entertaining, contraversial without being offensive and this board would be poorer without you

morteeee aka Rachael

Sinuhue can be a bitch, and that's a big part of what makes her so hot. That and that ass of hers.

bitch? come on now, this is an internet forum. You cant qualify to carry a real bitch's riding crop in here-who are you trying to kid?

More like Pippi Longstocking in a bad mood.

Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch.

This is a label that is typically applied to intelligent, assertive women, especially those who challenge social norms.

Keep up the good work Sinuhue. I find your posts and threads to be among the best on NS.

A meaningful discussion of ideas is difficult enough in here because people feel strongly about religion, politics, morals, etc.

If you want to encourage people with whom you disagree to reconsider their opinions/beliefs, then using thoughtful and polite language is more likely to have positive results.

If you want to win debating points and you really aren't interested in the meaningful exchange of ideas, then perhaps it really doesn't matter what you say, how you say it, or how people respond.

Personally, I am much more likely to reconsider my opinion/belief if the other person does not seem intent on "winning a debate"....that's just me.

I've had a disagreement with you about "tone" and language, but I haven't called you names or been mean-spirited to you (from my perspective). The folks who resort to name-calling, etc. when you challenge their beliefs/opinions either are insecure or they simply don't know how to respond when they are feelign personally attacked.

Some of you felt it necessary to let me know yesterday, in no uncertain terms, that I am a bitch. You will forgive me for being less than impressed by this 'revelation'. You're right. I'm a bitch. If by bitch, you mean, a woman who says what she means, tempering her words ONLY to abide by General rules, who is not willing to accept BS justifications and shoddy arguments at face value, who DOESN'T SHARE YOUR RELIGION, then yeah, that's me. Live with it.

I do not go out of my way to hurt people's feelings. I rarely make personal attacks, and if I do, I regret them, because I really hold no rancor towards anyone. If I come across blunt, it's because I am. If I come across as contradictory, it's because I am. If I come across like a friggin' garden gnome living in Germany...that's YOUR interpretation of what I am. See how that works? What you read into my words is just as important as what I'm actually saying, because it colours your opinion of those words.

So if you have a problem with what I say, or how I say it, feel free to send me more finger-wagging TGs. Better yet, bring it up here, and let me actually defend myself. I do not give you permission to randomly take offense on the assumption that whatever I have said was purposely meant to 'belittle' or 'shame' you...and then tell me how what I said actually meant 'this' or 'that'. I do not give you ownership of my words or my intentions.

And seriously. If you feel that strongly about my posts...take it to moderation.

Why did you get called a bitch? I can't remember reading anything that made me think that - did I miss something?