NationStates Jolt Archive


Sudden influx of fascists

Letila
14-06-2005, 17:23
Has anyone noticed that there seem to be a lot of fascists around recently? I keep seeing threads by fascists.
Marmite Toast
14-06-2005, 17:23
Maybe that's a summer thing too.
Whispering Legs
14-06-2005, 17:25
Has anyone noticed that there seem to be a lot of fascists around recently? I keep seeing threads by fascists.

I'm not a fascist.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:25
Maybe that's a summer thing too.

I wonder how many adults are actually fascists? They seem to only show up when school lets out!
Texpunditistan
14-06-2005, 17:26
I wonder how many adults are actually fascists? They seem to only show up when school lets out!
Kind of makes you wonder what they're teaching in the vaunted public school systems, eh?
Sinuhue
14-06-2005, 17:27
Ebb and flow,
They come and go.
Texpunditistan
14-06-2005, 17:28
I'm not a fascist.
Sure you are! Just ask Domici, OceanDrive, President Shrub, Achtung 45, Naderomics.... ;)
Marmite Toast
14-06-2005, 17:30
Kind of makes you wonder what they're teaching in the vaunted public school systems, eh?

Not so much the teaching; schools are inherently authoritarian.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:31
Kind of makes you wonder what they're teaching in the vaunted public school systems, eh?

I've had more than one extreme left/right teacher during my shift in HS alone.
They seem to be able to get away with it too!

(some college professors are even worse, but thankfully I avoided the worst)
Whispering Legs
14-06-2005, 17:32
Sure you are! Just ask Domici, OceanDrive, President Shrub, Achtung 45, Naderomics.... ;)

But I don't believe in the subordination of the individual to the needs to the state...
The Scribe of Alphaks
14-06-2005, 17:33
More like a sudden influx of pinko communists.....
Santa Barbara
14-06-2005, 17:34
But I don't believe in the subordination of the individual to the needs to the state...

Aha! Fascist!

Somehow I come to suspect Letila's definition of fascist here. Letila is of the opinion that capitalism is theft or slavery or something. Maybe there aren't any more fascists than normal.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:34
Not so much the teaching; schools are inherently authoritarian.

In my old high school, content grades on research papers were worth less than your ability to follow meaningless MLA style rules, with the end result for me being A+ content, C-/D (or even F) on "mechanics"; what was even worse was that I had almost no grammatical errors, but made terrible mistakes like putting the punctuation mark outside of a quotation rather than inside!
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:36
Aha! Fascist!
Somehow I come to suspect Letila's definition of fascist here. Letila is of the opinion that capitalism is theft or slavery or something. Maybe there aren't any more fascists than normal.


Actually, the posters are all actually mentioning "national socialism" or "fascism" in their posts! :confused:
Lawful Men
14-06-2005, 17:37
I especially enjoy how all the "mature" members who've posted have suggested that, if you have any conservative leanings, you must be a little kid who doesn't know any better and a fascist. You know, because resulting to slanderous insults of anyone who disagrees with you is obviously the most adult thing to do.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:39
I especially enjoy how all the "mature" members who've posted have suggested that, if you have any conservative leanings, you must be a little kid who doesn't know any better and a fascist. You know, because resulting to slanderous insults of anyone who disagrees with you is obviously the most adult thing to do.

Well, not me. Many of the things fascists believe are totally opposite those of a conservative, so I don't consider anyone with RW views to be one unless they clearly show it.
Letila
14-06-2005, 17:40
Somehow I come to suspect Letila's definition of fascist here. Letila is of the opinion that capitalism is theft or slavery or something. Maybe there aren't any more fascists than normal

It's not that. I see a lot of threads asking "Are there any other fascists here" and things like that.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:40
It's not that. I see a lot of threads asking "Are there any other fascists here" and things like that.

I think there were two or three last night.
Santa Barbara
14-06-2005, 17:42
It's not that. I see a lot of threads asking "Are there any other fascists here" and things like that.

Oh, I thought there was only one of those. Ehh well I wouldn't worry about it, no one can really be "fascist" overtly and be taken seriously these days.
Daistallia 2104
14-06-2005, 17:46
Hmmm... I was actually wondering where the nazi kids were these days. Maybe we're seeing threads at different times?
Whispering Legs
14-06-2005, 17:49
Aha! Fascist!

Somehow I come to suspect Letila's definition of fascist here. Letila is of the opinion that capitalism is theft or slavery or something. Maybe there aren't any more fascists than normal.

A fascist must believe in the subordination of the individual to the needs of the state.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:50
Hmmm... I was actually wondering where the nazi kids were these days. Maybe we're seeing threads at different times?

They seem to come on at around midnight and just fade away. None of them have trolled or flamed...yet.
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:51
A fascist must believe in the subordination of the individual to the needs of the state.

In my opinion, fascists do not really fall on the left-right scale, but along with Stalinist communism go in to their own category of total subordination to the government. Statism, perhaps?
Sinuhue
14-06-2005, 17:52
Yeah, the white supremacists are conspicuously absent lately...
Marmite Toast
14-06-2005, 17:54
In my opinion, fascists do not really fall on the left-right scale

That's because the left-right scale is just nonsense made up by major "left" and "right" parties. Better (but not perfect):

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/axeswithnames.gif
Vetalia
14-06-2005, 17:56
That's because the left-right scale is just nonsense made up by major "left" and "right" parties. Better (but not perfect):

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/axeswithnames.gif

Thanks, I was looking for a smaller picture of that chart!
Neo-Anarchists
14-06-2005, 17:58
I especially enjoy how all the "mature" members who've posted have suggested that, if you have any conservative leanings, you must be a little kid who doesn't know any better and a fascist. You know, because resulting to slanderous insults of anyone who disagrees with you is obviously the most adult thing to do.
Funny, because nobody posted that here. In fact, some of the posters in this thread are conservative. What we are talking about is the people who call themselves fascists and support fascism, not the conservatives. Any talk about them being fascists was a joke.
Neo-Anarchists
14-06-2005, 18:01
That's because the left-right scale is just nonsense made up by major "left" and "right" parties. Better (but not perfect):

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/images/axeswithnames.gif
Meh, I say that fascism doesn't fit on that scale very well either. It's definately authoritarian. But it's not right-wing, since there is partial government control of corporations, some nationalization of industries, and a less-than-free market, yet it's not left-wing, since there's no workers' control and no unions, and because the corporations are still there, and even have a say in the state! Fascist economics seems to me like some weird incestuous relationship of the worst bits of the left and the right.

I suppose their idea of putting it in the centre economically makes the most sense to me, but it still doesn't quite seem to fit it, to me. At least they didn't make the mistake of putting Nazism at the far-right like many people do...
Whispering Legs
14-06-2005, 18:06
Meh, I say that fascism doesn't fit on that scale very well either. It's definately authoritarian. But it's not right-wing, since there is partial government control of corporations, some nationalization of industries, and a less-than-free market, yet it's not left-wing, since there's no workers' control and no unions, and because the corporations are still there, and even have a say in the state! Fascist economics seems to me like some weird incestuous relationship of the worst bits of the left and the right.

I suppose their idea of putting it in the centre economically makes the most sense to me, but it still doesn't quite seem to fit it.

I usually assume it's the worst extreme of right or left, or any other wing.

Central state authority (whether under one man or a group of men) holding sway even over what you eat and how much you should exercise, and whether or not you should be able to smoke in private.
Serene Chaos
14-06-2005, 18:06
Well, I'm pretty out there in terms of how left-wing I am. I definately disagree with most of what conservatives say and their rationales.

That being said, anyone who says conservatism is equal -- or even similar -- to facism is not very bright. The Fascist creed is the antithesis of what most conservatives cling to.

Of course, with the current ... friction ... between the idea that you can have your individual freedoms and maintain the polite fiction that we live in the 1950's while treating other human beings with dignity, it's not suprising that both sides like to fling labels.
Marmite Toast
14-06-2005, 18:06
Meh, I say that fascism doesn't fit on that scale very well either. It's definately authoritarian. But it's not right-wing, since there is partial government control of corporations, some nationalization of industries, and a less-than-free market, yet it's not left-wing, since there's no workers' control and no unions, and because the corporations are still there, and even have a say in the state! Fascist economics seems to me like some weird incestuous relationship of the worst bits of the left and the right.

I suppose their idea of putting it in the centre economically makes the most sense to me, but it still doesn't quite seem to fit it, to me. At least they didn't make the mistake of putting Nazism at the far-right like many people do...

It's only far-right on the "talking out of your arse" left-right scale.
Kroisistan
14-06-2005, 18:11
I'm kinda glad to see a few around. Fascists and especially national socialists are kind of exotic in terms of political views - or at least those stated openly. They will bring balance to the force. *cue star wars music*
Whispering Legs
14-06-2005, 18:13
I'm kinda glad to see a few around. Fascists and especially national socialists are kind of exotic in terms of political views - or at least those stated openly. They will bring balance to the force. *cue star wars music*

Yes, but that's like saying that when you take a piss, you sometimes have to take a dump to balance things out.
Daistallia 2104
14-06-2005, 18:15
They seem to come on at around midnight and just fade away. None of them have trolled or flamed...yet.

Midnight Ohio time? That'd be just around or slightly before my morning online stretch.

Yeah, the white supremacists are conspicuously absent lately...

Exactly. The last few threads on race that got turned into "race is BS" threads didn't seem to have any satifactory oomph becasue they seemed to be so totally one sided.
OceanDrive
14-06-2005, 18:24
I'm kinda glad to see a few around. Fascists and especially national socialists are kind of exotic in terms of political views - or at least those stated openly. They will bring balance to the force. *cue star wars music*yeah, the reason I like it here...is that -often- we get to appreciate the full spectrum of politics...and some very exotic angles.
OceanDrive
14-06-2005, 18:27
Sure you are! Just ask Domici, OceanDrive, President Shrub, Achtung 45, Naderomics.... ;)
how dare you put my name on second :mp5: :sniper: :mp5: :sniper:

*sends the grunts to brake texpun's legs* :D
Ashmoria
14-06-2005, 18:32
i think its the same one or 2 guys and their puppets. those fascism threads are full of first time posters who never go on to post in other threads.
Kaapstaat
14-06-2005, 18:37
Our government, led by the Tiki Fascist Party, strives to present a kinder, gentler side of Fascism without the ardent racism frequently found in Fascist regimes. We embrace the principles of nationalist politics, snappy uniforms, and Polynesian lounge wear.

Our Army's motto is "Peace through Superior Tailoring".
Blu-tac
14-06-2005, 18:39
Kind of makes you wonder what they're teaching in the vaunted public school systems, eh?

They're teaching liberalism and generally anti-business things in general. Thats why the Right-Wing aliance want to privatise schools.

*gets up on table and starts dancing*

ooh yeah, ooh yeah, privatisation, ooh yeah, ooh yeah