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Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.

Speak for two women here, I completely agree with that :)

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men. I'm glad you're not speaking for all women, or I'd have to make a very sexist comment. ;)
Women sometimes get a bit paranoid about this, from what I've heard.
Solution: do not bother.
I'm a terrible defeatist.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men


Actually, I think you speak for all of us ;)

So, women are attention craving maniacs, eh?

When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

Ehh, guys like this really piss me off. Well, any selfish person does.

I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.

I agree with you, Sinu, and I'm a straight man :) I find it sickening that so many men treat women that way. I found my woman, my wife, and I couldn't be happier. She is my world. No other set of "curves on legs" will get my attention :) (that sounds bad, but I'm just trying to be punny, sorry)

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.

Would it be considered sexist to say that this might be what women want, but not what they react to?

I never use the same line twice. Then again, I never have any succes anyway :(

you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".


Not to put to fine a point on it...






Alright, I'm not totally like that-I really just thought it'd be funny...

Ehh, guys like this really piss me off. Well, any selfish person does. It's worse to be told you're obsessed with somebody. ;)
Objectification of women sickens me as well, I agree, Eriadhin. Unfortunately some women get a bit paranoid over this.

Speak for two women here, I completely agree with that :)
make that 3

I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.
Maybe you can treat her like special shit.

I never use the same line twice. Then again, I never have any succes anyway :(
"Hi" usually works. "Do you have a phone number?" is a good one too.

Maybe you can treat her like special shit. Don't, you sound like a rapper now. And we all now how they view women.

I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.

Mhhh, if this is true I know why my girlfriend broke up with me due to lack of desire...
Ok, it is not (only) her fault, I did not surprise her often enough (or nearly at all) to keep our relationship/her passionate. If I had realised this before... :(
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I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.
Yeah I don’t get that … from some women we get the “be nice … pay attention and treat your women with respect” and another very large group seemed to only be attracted to the assholes that threat them like shit and are extremely turned off by the “friend” or the “nice guy”

Wonder what causes the split

So, women are attention craving maniacs, eh?
Again, not speaking for all women:

Yes.

But not with the negative connotation I think you may have jokingly attached to the label.

Women tend to be more mental in their sexuality. Meaning, while eye candy is nice, it doesn't always have the power to turn us on. Other factors hold precedence. Being made to feel like we are simply a sexual object, is demeaning. Who can feel good about themselves if they feel demeaned? Part of what makes sex so great for women, is feeling beautiful, desirable, powerful...you take that enjoyment from us when it becomes clear you're fishing, and it doesn't matter what you catch.

"Hi" usually works. "Do you have a phone number?" is a good one too.
There was an extended period where I didn't have a phone number, and occasionally a chick would give me their phone number and I'd have to go, "I don't have a phone." Which of course they didn't believe and instead felt like an ass for giving their number to a guy who was 'brushing them off' when really they where giving their number to a guy who didn't even have a phone...

"it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

Sinuhue, I hate to be a bother, but most men are thinking this when they're single (and some when they're attached). Even when their lines are all used on you, and they're paying attention only to you. They're just being polite about it, or have learned that it's more effective.

It takes more than one night for a man to become attached to a woman - if he can become attached at all. Some men can't. I've noticed that in general, if a man becomes "instantly" attached, there's something wrong with him.

I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.

There are women out there who go for the jerks, yes. Most of these women seriously lack self-esteem. And you know what? The jerks actually do fulfill a need in them. If the jerk is a jealous man, possessive, he is making these women feel wanted and desired, and she likes it, even if she hates it too. He may ignore her ninety percent of the time...but it's that ten percent of his attention, negative or not, that keeps her there. It's the twisted, sick side of the same issue. If that man never ever paid her any attention, never told her lies, never slapped her around to prove 'she is his'...she'd be gone.

The other part of that is the belief that you can 'change' him. That you can 'help' him...that your love will be enough to save him from his vices.

Sick...but in a way it makes sense.

I find women are conflicted between wanting lots of attention and wanting their men to treat them like shit. One makes them feel special, the other makes them desire their partners more.

What a load of garbage. I've never wanted any man to treat me like shit. And none of them ever did.

I agree with Sinuhue.

Would it be considered sexist to say that this might be what women want, but not what they react to?
As long as you make it clear that you are generalising...

And please go into detail...what do you think women react to?

*Again, this is an OPINION thread...if someone asks for a source, I'm going to open up a can of Spam...no...spinach...no...oh yeah...whoopazz!

Yeah I don’t get that … from some women we get the “be nice … pay attention and treat your women with respect” and another very large group seemed to only be attracted to the assholes that threat them like shit and are extremely turned off by the “friend” or the “nice guy”

Wonder what causes the split

Human nature. No one seems to know what they really want, and they definitely aren't in the habit of telling other people what they really want. Men too, but I'd guess to a lesser degree... women need to "dress up" their relationships more.

There was an extended period where I didn't have a phone number, and occasionally a chick would give me their phone number and I'd have to go, "I don't have a phone." Which of course they didn't believe and instead felt like an ass for giving their number to a guy who was 'brushing them off' when really they where giving their number to a guy who didn't even have a phone...
Why would you have to explain you don't have a phone? Just tell her, "all right, I'll call you". And if she asks for your phone you can answer something like "so that you can call me every five minutes? no, thanks." Women appreciate a bit of mistery too, you know.

Later, when you have talked a bit more and know each other better, you can explain the phone situation.

Being made to feel like we are simply a sexual object, is demeaning..when I am in that mood..I make my women feel like i own them...like a very sexy slave.

and often enough i treat them like they are the center of my universe...like my queen.

for me its all about instinc...about timing...

..just don't come near me when i am watching Football with the guys :D ...go shopping or something.

Not to put to fine a point on it...

Alright, I'm not totally like that-I really just thought it'd be funny...
The funny thing is...we might be trolling for men too, at the same time you are trolling for women. We may not have our eye specifically one you either...but you will get our full and undivided attention (unless you're creepy) if you give us yours. So even if you are looking to get into ANYONE'S pants that night...for the love of all things holy, PRETEND, DAMNIT!

So even if you are looking to get into ANYONE'S pants that night...for the love of all things holy, PRETEND, DAMNIT!

And there you have it. Women wish to be lied to and deceived. And yet you want an honest man, do you not?

Again, not speaking for all women:

Yes.

But not with the negative connotation I think you may have jokingly attached to the label.
What's negative about being a maniac? Many of my best friends are maniac (and live inside my head).

Anyway, on the other hand, too much attention, too soon in the relationship, also creeps them out.

The funny thing is...we might be trolling for men too, at the same time you are trolling for women. We may not have our eye specifically one you either...but you will get our full and undivided attention (unless you're creepy) if you give us yours. So even if you are looking to get into ANYONE'S pants that night...for the love of all things holy, PRETEND, DAMNIT!

Good thing I already have a woman at home who I pay attention to. I'm not looking to get into *anyone's* pants - just hers.

If I say anything suggestive on this forum, it's probably vestigial flirting.

Sinuhue, I hate to be a bother, but most men are thinking this when they're single (and some when they're attached). Even when their lines are all used on you, and they're paying attention only to you. They're just being polite about it, or have learned that it's more effective.

I get that. I'm just saying...for those one night stands...you'll get laid more if you 'be polite about it':).

As long as you make it clear that you are generalising...

And please go into detail...what do you think women react to?

*Again, this is an OPINION thread...if someone asks for a source, I'm going to open up a can of Spam...no...spinach...no...oh yeah...whoopazz!

I've known a fairly descent cross section of women from different religious, ethnic and economic backgrounds and the one thing they all had in common, is that if they knew a guy was interested in them, they played hard to get, but if the guy played it cool, they would jump through all kinds of hoops to get his attention.

when I am in that mood..I make my women feel like i own them...like a very sexy slave.

and often enough i treat them like they are the center of my universe...like my queen.

for me is a mood thing...

..just don't come near me when i am watching Football with the guys :D ...go shopping or something. Okay, I now have a mental image of you as some kind of king owning a harem. :rolleyes:

Sinuhue, I hate to be a bother, but most men are thinking this when they're single (and some when they're attached). Even when their lines are all used on you, and they're paying attention only to you. They're just being polite about it, or have learned that it's more effective.

It takes more than one night for a man to become attached to a woman - if he can become attached at all. Some men can't. I've noticed that in general, if a man becomes "instantly" attached, there's something wrong with him.

Most. Not all, thankfully.

Of course, I can hardly make any claims to being normal... but yeah, men are stupid most of the time. So are women. The entire species is ridden with culturally-ingrained stupidity.

Welcome to Earth.

Don't, you sound like a rapper now. And we all now how they view women.
I could never sound like a rapper, just the enunciation is very hard to do. And besides, I said special shit, nice shit. You know, like pretty and all...

Erm, no?

Why would you have to explain you don't have a phone? Just tell her, "all right, I'll call you". And if she asks for your phone you can answer something like "so that you can call me every five minutes? no, thanks." Women appreciate a bit of mistery too, you know.

Later, when you have talked a bit more and know each other better, you can explain the phone situation.
That's if I had 'pimp charm.' Instead, I'm working off 'ackward charm' and 'creative energy' charm...not as easy to pull off that with those...

Okay, I now have a mental image of you as some kind of king owning a harem. sometimes I am the Pwner...sometimes I am the slave...
I am hunting...and I get caught...life is a Game...a fun game.

King i am not...
a harem?...that sound boring.

And there you have it. Women wish to be lied to and deceived. And yet you want an honest man, do you not?
Don't be a brat.

It's being polite. If your intentions are to 'score' or to perhaps find someone to date, it makes sense to specialise, doesn't it? It's not out and out lying. Do you really find all women equally attractive? Are you truly unable to focus on one for a time? If that is an impossibility, by all means, be honest about.

And go home alone.

*If you are married, have an STD, or in any way have important information any partner should know, do not lie, omit, or forget to mention this.

I get that. I'm just saying...for those one night stands...you'll get laid more if you 'be polite about it':).
There's the flip side of a man not paying focused attention.

It's called "desperate". Women can sense desperate the same way that a dog can smell fear.

If the woman thinks you're desperate, you might as well go home and hold up your poster of Angelina Jolie with one hand.

I could never sound like a rapper, just the enunciation is very hard to do. And besides, I said special shit, nice shit. You know, like pretty and all...

Erm, no? Pretty and shit do not go well together unless you're a coprophiliac. If you don't know what that means, offer a prayer of thanks.

What's negative about being a maniac? Many of my best friends are maniac (and live inside my head).

Anyway, on the other hand, too much attention, too soon in the relationship, also creeps them out.
Yes it does.

Attention in this sense means:

Listen to what we are saying. Engage us in conversation. Dance with us...not with every woman in the club. If you do dance with other women...make it clear you prefer us, and keep coming back. Save the slow dances for us. Show interest. Look at us instead of letting your eyes roam, tapping your fingers, and otherwise seeming like you'd prefer to be elsewhere.

If we are plainly NOT INTERESTED...choose another target. To continue pursuing us is creepy.

Good thing I already have a woman at home who I pay attention to. I'm not looking to get into *anyone's* pants - just hers.

If I say anything suggestive on this forum, it's probably vestigial flirting.
Don't worry WL, we know that. When I say YOU, I mean "you single men out there looking for a woman..." It's the plural YOU:).

sometimes I am the Pwner...sometimes I am the slave...
I am hunting...and I get caught...life is a Game...a fun game.

King i am not...
a harem?...that sound boring. Stay away! ;)

Eh, all this women business is too much like hard work. Can't be bothered.

Stay away! ;)

Eh, all this women business is too much like hard work. Can't be bothered.

Around here, it's easier to be a homosexual male. If you don't want to be bothered with niceties, or relationships, you only need to go to the public restrooms at the highway rest stop, drop your trousers and bend over.

Someone will be along in a few seconds to service you.

That's if I had 'pimp charm.' Instead, I'm working off 'ackward charm' and 'creative energy' charm...not as easy to pull off that with those...
There's only one kind of charm, and that's the good, old-fashioned kind. Think Cary Grant or Spencer Tracy. Sure, one can't imitate the good looks, but you can imitate the charm. So, go and practice.

I've known a fairly descent cross section of women from different religious, ethnic and economic backgrounds and the one thing they all had in common, is that if they knew a guy was interested in them, they played hard to get, but if the guy played it cool, they would jump through all kinds of hoops to get his attention.
Don't count on it.

There's a difference between being overly aggressive, and being 'interested'.

Now...that's not to say we won't come after YOU if you seem unattached. Yes, we may play hard to get...because we don't want you to think we're a slut to just hook up with and never speak to again.

Unless that's actually what we DO want:).

However, there is a difference between being unattached and available...and someone who lecherously chases every skirt that crosses his path. The former is a possibility. The latter is just not attractive.

The funny thing is...we might be trolling for men too, at the same time you are trolling for women. We may not have our eye specifically one you either...but you will get our full and undivided attention (unless you're creepy) if you give us yours. So even if you are looking to get into ANYONE'S pants that night...for the love of all things holy, PRETEND, DAMNIT!
The dreaded nerd trap.

Soooo many times I've watched them go in, barring thier neck and laying themselves on the alter in front of a chick who made the mistake of being too nice to them, cornering the poor well intentioned woman.

Then, when they get the rejection because they just laid thier bleeding heart out in front of a chick who maybe would have gone on a casual date if dude had just relaxed a bit, they go on the internet or somewhere else and ask,
"Why do woman only like jerks?"

And, for some freak ass reason, tell me all about it. Why? Why the fuck are you telling me? What am I supposed to do for you? Do you see chicks hangin' off me? Why why why WHY?

ahem...anyway....

There's the flip side of a man not paying focused attention.

It's called "desperate". Women can sense desperate the same way that a dog can smell fear.

If the woman thinks you're desperate, you might as well go home and hold up your poster of Angelina Jolie with one hand.
Aha! I think you've nailed it down there!

Desperate is not attractive, in either sex.

Confidence is.

Arrogance...not.

Confidence...yes.

See where this is going?

Don't be a brat.

It's being polite. If your intentions are to 'score' or to perhaps find someone to date, it makes sense to specialise, doesn't it? It's not out and out lying. Do you really find all women equally attractive? Are you truly unable to focus on one for a time? If that is an impossibility, by all means, be honest about.

And go home alone.

*If you are married, have an STD, or in any way have important information any partner should know, do not lie, omit, or forget to mention this.

1. Is being truthful being a brat? If so, I'm gonna stick with it.
2. Flattery is politeness?
3. There's a difference between "specialization" and "giving the impression that someone is more special and important and worthy and attractive than anyone else."
4. It's deception. You want it. My point stands.
5. I am not unable to focus, no, but I'm not inclined to treat women like princesses either.
6. There are worst things in life than going home alone.

..And yet you want an honest man, do you not?no you dont...not all the the time.
Sex is a game...where sometimes your role is to be the bad guy.

Pretty and shit do not go well together unless you're a coprophiliac. If you don't know what that means, offer a prayer of thanks.
Have I told you about my collection? I usually paint lips and eyes on them and dress them real pretty. I'm thinking of opening a gallery so everyone else can admire them too.

There's only one kind of charm, and that's the good, old-fashioned kind. Think Cary Grant or Spencer Tracy. Sure, one can't imitate the good looks, but you can imitate the charm. So, go and practice.
There are tons of different kinds of charm that work for different dudes. If there was only one a lot less dudes would be able to hook up.

Would you seriously suggest that (using modern samples) that Hugh Grant has the same charm as Brad Pitt? Or that Cary Grant shares the same charm as Jimmy Stewart? The chicks who like Jack Black like him for the same reason they like Tom Cruise?

No sir, I do not believe there is only one kind of charm-and the charm I have works just fine for me so I'm not switching bats this late in the game.

6. There are worst things in life than going home alone.


Can I get an Amen?

Around here, it's easier to be a homosexual male. If you don't want to be bothered with niceties, or relationships, you only need to go to the public restrooms at the highway rest stop, drop your trousers and bend over.

Someone will be along in a few seconds to service you. Um...... words fail me.............. ;)

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.
Well, I'm glad the above doesn't apply to gay men. I like to watch every handsome man :p

For all those guys that say women prefer assholes, I'm not one. Yes, I have met plenty of pathetic women that hang on to assholes like their lives depend on it.
I, a quality woman, would, and have at times, kick their asses seven ways to Sunday for treating me with any less than the respect I feel I deserve.
Yes, I like being the center of attention. Always have, probably always will. Are guys really so pathetically at the mercy of their hormones that they'd bed down with a woman who treated them like an after thought? Not any guy I'd sleep with.
BTW, I've seen plenty of guys who adore a bicth. Sometimes not even I am bitchy enough for them.

Listen to what we are saying. Engage us in conversation. Dance with us...not with every woman in the club. If you do dance with other women...make it clear you prefer us, and keep coming back. Save the slow dances for us. Show interest. Look at us instead of letting your eyes roam, tapping your fingers, and otherwise seeming like you'd prefer to be elsewhere.

I've found that what workd rather well, either in a relationship or one-nighters, is not to give your whole time to a woman, but whatever time you give her, whether five minutes or a weekend depending on how advanced the relationship is, give it to her fully.

1. Is being truthful being a brat? If so, I'm gonna stick with it. No, you're not being 'truthful', you are being 'pedantic':)
2. Flattery is politeness?
If you really don't find a woman interesting or attractive, and you flatter her, it's not being polite, it's being stupid. You may end up with something you don't want to follow through on.

If you ARE interested in her, flattery is a way of letting her know that. Or you can hope she can read your mind and figure it out herself...

3. There's a difference between "specialization" and "giving the impression that someone is more special and important and worthy and attractive than anyone else."

Yes. And if you don't actually feel that this particular woman is that special, move on. If you think you can do better...move on. I'm not talking about lying here just to make sure you get some action...I'm talking about how to make it clear that you are attracted to someone, and if you don't want to LOSE that someone, you'd better start curbing those roaming eyes...at least for the moment.

4. It's deception. You want it. My point stands.

Take it that way if you like. Most men are not completely blind to all other women even when they are in a relationship. Neither are women blind to other men in the same situation. Do you tell the other person, "Hey, that chick is hot...wow" all the time, even if you are thinking it? That's cruel. You make her feel like you are comparing her to that other woman. That's the kind of abusive shit that I don't have time for.

Better you keep those thoughts to yourself, if you want to stay in the relationship. That means...a long term, or short term relationship.


5. I am not unable to focus, no, but I'm not inclined to treat women like princesses either.
If you took my original quote to mean that's what women want, you have serious issues with your reading comprehension.

6. There are worst things in life than going home alone. You're missing the point. But I think you actually know that, and are just being picky.

Being an opinion thread, not a debate thread, you are entitled to your opinion of what has been said. But you are not entitled to a full explanation of why your interpretation doesn't necessarily fit. Full stop.

Why would you have to explain you don't have a phone? Just tell her, "all right, I'll call you". And if she asks for your phone you can answer something like "so that you can call me every five minutes? no, thanks." Women appreciate a bit of mistery too, you know.

Later, when you have talked a bit more and know each other better, you can explain the phone situation.

"so that you can call me every five minutes? no thanks." would cause me to dump my drink on the guy's head, UNLESS he was obviously joking.

I've had the weird experience of being asked out by strangers when I was working, and in grocery stores. This one was the worst:

Guy comes up to me while I'm grocery shopping:

Idiot: "I like the way you look, will you go out with me?"
Me: "I'm married."
Idiot: "So am I, will you go out with me anyway."
Me: *looking at him like he's crazy* "NO!"

I've found that what workd rather well, either in a relationship or one-nighters, is not to give your whole time to a woman, but whatever time you give her, whether five minutes or a weekend depending on how advanced the relationship is, give it to her fully.
DING DING DING...we have a winner!

Eyes glazing over during the conversation...constant head turning to watch another woman walk by the table...

Not attractive.

Wouldn't that be the same if a woman did it to you?

Would you seriously suggest that (using modern samples) that Hugh Grant has the same charm as Brad Pitt? Or that Cary Grant shares the same charm as Jimmy Stewart? The chicks who like Jack Black like him for the same reason they like Tom Cruise?
Yeah, I think so. Sure, there are variations in the cover, but the basics are the same: the confidence, feeling at ease in their skins, being comfortable approaching a woman, etc. I don't think it's really that different, mannerisms and such excepted.

We need a woman's point of view on this one.

No sir, I do not believe there is only one kind of charm-and the charm I have works just fine for me so I'm not switching bats this late in the game.
Good, if you're happy that's just fine, but I think you can always incorporate a few new niceties to improve yourself.

Or you can hope she can read your mind and figure it out herself...

Wait, that doesn't work?

shit.



I suppose that next you'll tell me that people don't just go door to door asking if you have any available good works? Shatter my world, why don't ya...

Don't count on it.

There's a difference between being overly aggressive, and being 'interested'.

Now...that's not to say we won't come after YOU if you seem unattached. Yes, we may play hard to get...because we don't want you to think we're a slut to just hook up with and never speak to again.

Unless that's actually what we DO want:).

However, there is a difference between being unattached and available...and someone who lecherously chases every skirt that crosses his path. The former is a possibility. The latter is just not attractive.

Your original premise was that women want men to give them their full attention. What I'm saying is that a man can get further from being aloof then from spending the entire night acting like there's only one woman in the room.

P.S. I've been called a dog by women who still wanted me.

You'd never catch me swiveling my head around to gawk at women-I' ve been observing things that interest me with my peripheral vision for years. I've never exposed my intentions or true interest by leering directly at something. As a result, I'm fairly unremarkable myself-I blend in anywhere and rarely attract attention unless I intend to. My general looks are average. I've been told there is something in my eyes, so when I'm intending to lay low, sunglasses are the rule. Its my animal magnetism that attracts attention from women. I've always had fun with it. My wife will say I'm flirting when I havent said a word or changed my expression based on the actions of the woman.

"so that you can call me every five minutes? no thanks." would cause me to dump my drink on the guy's head, UNLESS he was obviously joking.

Sad thing is, it was close to true. The phone was pissing me off and I started to ask, "Why am I paying to be pissed off?" So I got rid of the phone. Eventually it started to piss other people off, so I've had to 'reconnect'...it's not that I was a hermit-if I was a hermit I totally could have got away with it.

Your original premise was that women want men to give them their full attention. What I'm saying is that a man can get further from being aloof then from spending the entire night acting like there's only one woman in the room.


And I'm saying...

don't count on it.

If by aloof, you mean not panting at her feet...yes, probably...but if you don't manage to even get her to notice you...how does that work?

Short answer?

It doesn't.

"so that you can call me every five minutes? no thanks." would cause me to dump my drink on the guy's head, UNLESS he was obviously joking.

Well, of course. You have to make it sound funny or, better yet, serious-funny, so that she doesn't know whether to laugh or dump the drink on his head and then you can both laugh. The point is not to give a direct answer and make her laugh at the same time.

If you really don't find a woman interesting or attractive, and you flatter her, it's not being polite, it's being stupid. You may end up with something you don't want to follow through on.

Of course, no one would disagree.

Unless flattering one woman was a good way to get the attention of another woman. Which it often is. In that case it's not so stupid.

If you ARE interested in her, flattery is a way of letting her know that. Or you can hope she can read your mind and figure it out herself...

I've found the women I'm attracted to, are already aware that they're attractive and yet another male being attracted to them is not the key issue for them. In fact, when the whole male population does this, flattery, the one guy who is not flattering but instead maybe slightly the opposite, comes across as being truly special and interested in her for more than the usual reasons!

Yes. And if you don't actually feel that this particular woman is that special, move on. If you think you can do better...move on. I'm not talking about lying here just to make sure you get some action...I'm talking about how to make it clear that you are attracted to someone, and if you don't want to LOSE that someone, you'd better start curbing those roaming eyes...at least for the moment.

That would be credible if it was shown that men with roaming eyes are the same ones who always go home alone. But.... it isn't really that way. Thing is, if it appears the man is "getting away" by being visually lured by other women, that could be the signal for embargo. Or it could be a cue for increased trade. It depends on the situation.

Of course it helps to maintain eye contact etc, you can't have eyes rolling around in their sockets like googly eyes, you should look when listening etc. But that's common sense.

Take it that way if you like. Most men are not completely blind to all other women even when they are in a relationship. Neither are women blind to other men in the same situation. Do you tell the other person, "Hey, that chick is hot...wow" all the time, even if you are thinking it? That's cruel. You make her feel like you are comparing her to that other woman. That's the kind of abusive shit that I don't have time for.

Better you keep those thoughts to yourself, if you want to stay in the relationship. That means...a long term, or short term relationship.

You are free to make rules as you wish concerning how you interact with men, but what I am describing are more generalized rules of behavior I've noticed that applies to 'most women' or 'some women' depending on the population in question.

But no I don't blurt out what's on my mind at all times, or even some of the times. I'm well aware of the volatile and threatening nature of my thoughts, especially in delicate situations like 'relationships.'

If you took my original quote to mean that's what women want, you have serious issues with your reading comprehension.

No, your original quote didn't mean that, I meant that.

You're missing the point. But I think you actually know that, and are just being picky.

Being an opinion thread, not a debate thread, you are entitled to your opinion of what has been said. But you are not entitled to a full explanation of why your interpretation doesn't necessarily fit. Full stop.

It doesn't universally fit, of course not. It's a generalization but it seems to fit more often than not, at least when talking of various "scenes" (the dating, club, etc 'scenes').

Anyway, I'm not debating, no more than normal, just offering an explanation of my interpretation. Which might be seen as a hijack I suppose, that's your call and I will gladly stop if you ask.

For all those guys that say women prefer assholes, I'm not one. Yes, I have met plenty of pathetic women that hang on to assholes like their lives depend on it.
I, a quality woman, would, and have at times, kick their asses seven ways to Sunday for treating me with any less than the respect I feel I deserve.
Yes, I like being the center of attention. Always have, probably always will. Are guys really so pathetically at the mercy of their hormones that they'd bed down with a woman who treated them like an after thought? Not any guy I'd sleep with.
BTW, I've seen plenty of guys who adore a bicth. Sometimes not even I am bitchy enough for them.
"Chick dig jerks/assholes" is code for "Chicks don't dig me" or sour grapes.

It's the nerd version of "She's a lesbian."

It's easier to deal with woman wanting a jerk if you're living and dieing by one rejection. That might be the nerd/geek trap-the belief that they only have that one piece of bait and if they don't catch this fish it's alllll over for them. Maybe. I'm just talkin' off the top of my head right now...

And I'm saying...

don't count on it.

If by aloof, you mean not panting at her feet...yes, probably...but if you don't manage to even get her to notice you...how does that work?

Short answer?

It doesn't.

Here's a quote from a woman I dated...

"Men check out women as they enter a bar, but so do women, the only difference is we're subtle."

A woman knows she wants a man the moment she sees him. The only question is whose going to do the work?

*snippage*Ah...now you are getting into scenarios with good explanations. This is easier to deal with than just saying that women want to be deceived:). These scenarios show you are wise to the way of the 'game'...and it really is one. It takes a certain level of intuition, and I think you've made that clear now.



Anyway, I'm not debating, no more than normal, just offering an explanation of my interpretation. Which might be seen as a hijack I suppose, that's your call and I will gladly stop if you ask.
Na....I just wanted you to be less rigid in your definition of flattery as lying. Now that you've done that, and are imparting useful insights, I will refrain from further bearing of my fangs in your direction :D

Guys who follow me around like lost puppies are okay as very temporary toys, but I try to make my contempt well enough felt that any self-respecting guy would be out of there. Act like my equal and I'll treat you like one. Act like my superior, and it'll be the last you see of me.
Though actually I don't play with the pitiful ones anymore. I'm gentler in my old age. :D

"Chick dig jerks/assholes" is code for "Chicks don't dig me" or sour grapes.

It's the nerd version of "She's a lesbian."


I thought that was a symptom of having one's cranium firmly implanted in one's own rectum. Cranio-rectal impaction...

Here's a quote from a woman I dated...

"Men check out women as they enter a bar, but so do women, the only difference is we're subtle."

A woman knows she wants a man the moment she sees him. The only question is whose going to do the work?
Some men and women still 'court' according to traditional gender roles. The man is the aggressor, the woman the wooed. Some guys don't like the tables to be turned, others do. It's hard to know. Same goes for women. It's a dance, but we each have a different song in our head, a different rhythm, and we have to move quick to match one another. There are no absolutes.

But talking about it is fun...

I thought that was a symptom of having one's cranium firmly implanted in one's own rectum. Cranio-rectal impaction...
pot-a-to, po-taa-to...

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention.
Tell me something new. Too bad that looking after other women is hard-wired into our brains. Its simple, the woman i am in love with at any ghiven moment is the single most attractive person in the whole world, i dont want to hurt her by looking at others, but e.g. i cant help happening to notice that her friend looks hot. The trick is to know this, notice it kicking in fast enough and reign in the instinct. But it will happen again and again, because it is an uncontrolable natural reaction.

I guess I must be the strange one. When I walked into a bar in the single days, I wasn't always looking to scope everyone out.

Sometimes I just wanted a beer. Or a sandwich.

I guess I must be the strange one. When I walked into a bar in the single days, I wasn't always looking to scope everyone out.

Sometimes I just wanted a beer. Or a sandwich.

YOU FREAK!! :eek:

Tell me something new. Too bad that looking after other women is hard-wired into our brains. Its simple, the woman i am in love with at any ghiven moment is the single most attractive person in the whole world, i dont want to hurt her by looking at others, but e.g. i cant help happening to notice that her friend looks hot. The trick is to know this, notice it kicking in fast enough and reign in the instinct. But it will happen again and again, because it is an uncontrolable natural reaction.
Of course you notice these things! You don't think she notices the hot Italian in the line at Starbucks? Noticing is okay. Eyes are for looking. But it becomes a problem if you can't seem to ever focus on your partner...if you start comparing her to others OUT LOUD...if your body language suggests you are attracted to all these other women, and not so much to her...

Flip it. If you saw that your partner was drooling over the hot Italian...and every other cute guy who walked along, wouldn't it put you off a bit?

These are things most people understand intuitively...but sometimes we need a gentle reminder:).

I guess I must be the strange one. When I walked into a bar in the single days, I wasn't always looking to scope everyone out.meh...I was always looking to score...

actually "was" should be "am"

YOU FREAK!! :eek:

Technically, Bum F Egypt, Oklahoma is known as Ft. Sill. Specifically, any one of the impact ranges at Ft. Sill.

I guess I must be the strange one. When I walked into a bar in the single days, I wasn't always looking to scope everyone out.

Sometimes I just wanted a beer. Or a sandwich.
Yeah. Me too, really. I don't drink anymore, and I love to be able to sit, chat, EAT, relax and dance when I feel like it. And talk dirty to my husband:)

This topic came up last night because my hubby and I were talking about how we met, and why we were attracted to one another.

"Chick dig jerks/assholes" is code for "Chicks don't dig me" or sour grapes.

It's the nerd version of "She's a lesbian."


I wouldn't disagree that it's used in that way, but it is also true. Of course chicks dig assholes and jerks. Men are assholes and jerks! I mean, at least, I am.

I am quite content to be 'out of the game'. It's stressful, exciting, annoying, fun, boring, all at the same time. A long-term relationship is way more fun, by far...but the art of seduction need not be lost, even if your intended 'victim' is your partner:).

I wouldn't disagree that it's used in that way, but it is also true. Of course chicks dig assholes and jerks. Men are assholes and jerks! I mean, at least, I am.
And I find myself strangely drawn to you...against my will...I must love jerks...

:D

Jerks don't generally know they're jerks.

Technically, Bum F Egypt, Oklahoma is known as Ft. Sill. Specifically, any one of the impact ranges at Ft. Sill.

I really think Wewoka has a better claim to it. Making it an impact range could only improve it.

And I find myself strangely drawn to you...against my will...I must love jerks...

:D

Jerks don't generally know they're jerks.

Buahaha. Yes they do, they just lie to themselves about it along with everyone else.

But I too am kind of tired of the game. I think it's because I play enough games that my game-playing need is sated by the time I'm interacting with people in a non-officially-game-esque environment.

Take it that way if you like. Most men are not completely blind to all other women even when they are in a relationship. Neither are women blind to other men in the same situation. Do you tell the other person, "Hey, that chick is hot...wow" all the time, even if you are thinking it? That's cruel. You make her feel like you are comparing her to that other woman. That's the kind of abusive shit that I don't have time for.

I totally agree with this. Why do some people acting like being polite and not being insulting by staring at every pair of tits is lying? If you see an obese person walk by do you feel a need to walk up and tell them they're fat? If you don't did you just lie? Is it lying not to stare at them and make them feel like a freak? Obviously the answer to all of the yes/no question I just asked is no. Being polite is not lying. It's not forcing people to deal with your particular brand of hangups, particularly, when you just met them.

"Chick dig jerks/assholes" is code for "Chicks don't dig me" or sour grapes.
Not always. It can also be the reaction of seeing women you have absolutely no relationship interest in but care about, like friends, workmates etc with guys that abuse them or treat them as inferiors. The truth is, some chicks do dig assholes. And every generalisation is bound to fail.

Your original premise was that women want men to give them their full attention. What I'm saying is that a man can get further from being aloof then from spending the entire night acting like there's only one woman in the room.

P.S. I've been called a dog by women who still wanted me.

If you're looking to get with women who like playing games then have fun. If a woman called me a dog I would know it was to see my reaction which would be letting them see the brand of my jeans.

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.


With this definition, I suddenly have this horrid notion that some of the kids 'round here are going to go on their next date and refuse to do anything but stare straight at their date non-stop over the whole meal with such intensity as to have the poor girls thinking that they're out with a freakazoid psychopath more interested in dissecting them and having carnal knowledge of their dismembered body parts.....


Frankly, I think that all people feel more secure with someone when there is obvious respect and interest in them, but all things must be done in moderation and within societally accepted norms.

For example, refusing to disengage from your date to respectfully interact with the server would be a red flag. It implies an ease with being dismissive of people when what would be a better display would be to treat the server with the same consideration and respect that your date deserves.

Then again, obviously leaning over to ogle the servers ass as she departs with your order is a bad idea too.


Indeed, showing respect and interest is something some members of BOTH genders need to get better at. If you just want to prattle on with girl-talk about your hair, etc. etc. long after you have been fully complimented on the obvious effort you went to to look good for the date then you are being inconsiderate or showing yourself to be an insecure prima-dona also. Don't expect a guy to feign interest in that for very long or you are dealing with a dishonest guy who just wants to get laid.



But then, by your instructions, this is exactly what the guy SHOULD do to get laid... which is all well and good if getting laid is all that both want that night.

Indeed, showing respect and interest is something some members of BOTH genders need to get better at. If you just want to prattle on with girl-talk about your hair, etc. etc. long after you have been fully complimented on the obvious effort you went to to look good for the date then you are being inconsiderate or showing yourself to be an insecure prima-dona also. Don't expect a guy to feign interest in that for very long or you are dealing with a dishonest guy who just wants to get laid.



But then, by your instructions, this is exactly what the guy SHOULD do to get laid... which is all well and good if getting laid is all that both want that night.
Far from. And I'm not giving instructions. Just opinions.

And "prattle on with girl-talk"??? I'm going to control my first impulse which is to whip out my beating stick for sexists here...

And "prattle on with girl-talk"??? I'm going to control my first impulse which is to whip out my beating stick for sexists here...

Why?

There is, after all, "boy-talk" that some males prattle on with too. You started it as advice to a specific gender, I just responded with a general agreement with some caveats that required the same level of gender-specificity that you used in your post. HArdly worth getting your undergarments in a bunch over.


Or should I equally whip out my beating stick for your implied sexist notion that a majority of men don't know how to show respect for their dates and so need the benefit of this advice?


Sorry, but I refuse to be so godamn PC that I need to qualify every signle damn comment I make with some boilerplate BS caveat to the effect of "and yes this can equally apply to *insert other group than the one being discussed here*". That should be a given unless specifically stated otherwise.

Why?

There is, after all, "boy-talk" that some males prattle on with too. You started it as advice to a specific gender, I just responded with a general agreement with some caveats that required the same level of gender-specificity that you used in your post. HArdly worth getting your undergarments in a bunch over. What the heck is boy-talk? An I like my undies in a bunch...


Or should I equally whip out my beating stick for your implied sexist notion that a majority of men don't know how to show respect for their dates and so need the benefit of this advice?

Sorry, but I refuse to be so godamn PC that I need to qualify every signle damn comment I make with some boilerplate BS caveat to the effect of "and yes this can equally apply to *insert other group than the one being discussed here*". That should be a given unless specifically stated otherwise.
Hmmm...maybe I need my 'I'm sorry I didn't let you know I was kidding, but wow, look who's got their undies in a bunch NOW" stick?

Hmmm...maybe I need my 'I'm sorry I didn't let you know I was kidding, but wow, look who's got their undies in a bunch NOW" stick?

Being leperous does have its disadvantages...

What the heck is boy-talk?

Errr, sports, t*ts 'n beer mostly. we's jest simple folks after all....

An I like my undies in a bunch...

Yes, well that seems fair given that you seem to be advising boys on how to get your undies in a bunch.... on their bedroom floor!
:p

Hmmm...maybe I need my 'I'm sorry I didn't let you know I was kidding, but wow, look who's got their undies in a bunch NOW" stick?

I NEED mine in a bunch. Otherwise 'they' might fall off due to my condition.....

Being leperous does have its disadvantages...


Like leaving DNA evidence where ever you may wander...

And "prattle on with girl-talk"??? I'm going to control my first impulse which is to whip out my beating stick for sexists here...

Youse broads are always yapping about this or that...a bunch of wash-women.
*licking his chops and shuddering in anticipation*

Youse broads are always yapping about this or that...a bunch of wash-women.
*licking his chops and shuddering in anticipation*
Sorry to disappoint you. I don't give beatings to those who actually want them:).

Sorry to disappoint you. I don't give beatings to those who actually want them:).

*slinks away disappointed*

Sorry to disappoint you. I don't give beatings to those who actually want them:).


Thats what I like about you-always looking to do things the hard way...
How are your nails? Could you claw at me a little in self-defence?

Thats what I like about you-always looking to do things the hard way...Hahahahaha...you got me pegged, figuratively.
How are your nails? Could you claw at me a little in self-defence?
Flamenco style...non-existant on one hand, filed and sharp on the other. RAR!

Sorry to disappoint you. I don't give beatings to those who actually want them:).

No fair.

Hahahahaha...you got me pegged, figuratively.

Flamenco style...non-existant on one hand, filed and sharp on the other. RAR!


Hehe...I love it a little savage-like.

I just lost the nail on my broken finger. I'm hoping it will grow back, but there is damage to the nail bed now. Time will tell.

No fair.
Never claimed it was:).

Hmmm...I've noticed that I seem to have a little General harem of menfolk lately...I wonder if I could have you do my bidding, and spread my word among the unbelievers of NS? :eek:

No fair.


She will-you just have to chase her a while, then corner her...panting and sweating...she'll lash out...


Mmmm...lash-y

Hehe...I love it a little savage-like.

I just lost the nail on my broken finger. I'm hoping it will grow back, but there is damage to the nail bed now. Time will tell.
It will. I've lost numerous nails, numerous times, and they always grow back.

Shut up, woman! You talk too much! Now, git in da kitchen and fix me a pot pie! :p

Never claimed it was:).

Hmmm...I've noticed that I seem to have a little General harem of menfolk lately...I wonder if I could have you do my bidding, and spread my word among the unbelievers of NS? :eek:


Dont flatter yourself, lickee-I only serve myself. I'm just looking for a taste- I'm not one of these cult guys...

So, women are attention craving maniacs, eh?
No, rather, women don't like man-sluts.

Dont flatter yourself, lickee-I only serve myself. I'm just looking for a taste- I'm not one of these cult guys...
*sigh*
Yes, well I guess being worshipped does get awfully boring.

Just a thought. :p

It will. I've lost numerous nails, numerous times, and they always grow back.


thats encouraging... but this nail was smashed off-it didnt peel off clean...
Its really raw now.

thats encouraging... but this nail was smashed off-it didnt peel off clean...
Its really raw now.
It should still grow back. None of mine came of 'clean' either.

*sigh*
Yes, well I guess being worshipped does get awfully boring.

Just a thought. :p

I could never put that power in your hands-you'd be very abusive...

Giving you a little praise wont hurt though, sweet cheeks.

BTW- whats the temp like by you? Its 98 and very humid here.

And talk dirty to my husband:) Thought you weren't married.

Thought you weren't married.

Theoretically, Sinuhue could actually be "her brother".

I could never put that power in your hands-you'd be very abusive...

Giving you a little praise wont hurt though, sweet cheeks.

BTW- whats the temp like by you? Its 98 and very humid here.
About 18 degrees..Celcius...don't get the 98 thing. I'm a bit worried we're about to be slapped for being spammy here...

Thought you weren't married.
Common-law. I can legally call him my husband:).

Theoretically, Sinuhue could actually be "her brother".
Ooh...what a weird conspiracy theory!

I will neither confirm nor deny that.

Theoretically, Sinuhue could actually be "her brother".

I knew there was something strange about how adamant she was about not allowing her picture to be seen. I mean, his picture... uh, I mean... I mean, shut up, that's what I mean.

I knew there was something strange about how adamant she was about not allowing her picture to be seen. I mean, his picture... uh, I mean... I mean, shut up, that's what I mean.

My pic is in the pic thread now. ;)

My pic is in the pic thread now. ;)

I knew it. You're a puppet for Sinuhue (I was talking about Sin's pic).

I knew it. You're a puppet for Sinuhue (I was talking about Sin's pic).

For a puppet, I have a lot of posts in a very short period of time.

Add that to Sinuhue's posts, and I don't know if anyone could type that fast...

Common-law. I can legally call him my husband:).

WHAT? You're not married. You lying crack-who-*catches himself*

For a puppet, I have a lot of posts in a very short period of time.

Add that to Sinuhue's posts, and I don't know if anyone could type that fast...

Bah, it's only like fifty posts a day at the most. Hell, Sinuhue wastes that many calling people whores.

This is pretty gay

It should still grow back. None of mine came of 'clean' either.


Good to know- there is hope.

Bah, it's only like fifty posts a day at the most. Hell, Sinuhue wastes that many calling people whores.

I think I'm around 200 per day.

I think I'm around 200 per day.

200 a day would be 6000 a month. You would have double the post you have now next month.

In any case, I have two puppets myself, and neither is Sinuhue.

Good to know- there is hope.

How'd you break your finger, if I may ask? Just wondering if the nail came off during the break or if it was some weird side-effect.

In any case, I have two puppets myself, and neither is Sinuhue.

Alas and alak, I have no puppets of my own. Perhaps I should make some though. I hear they are very fun to play with. :p

In any case, I have two puppets myself, and neither is Sinuhue.


I hate puppets. I also hate "jack in the boxes" too. As a kid, I always knew when the fucker was going to pop out, but it still scared the shit out of me.

200 a day would be 6000 a month. You would have double the post you have now next month.

I'm on about 5 days a week.

I hate puppets. I also hate "jack in the boxes" too. As a kid, I always knew when the fucker was going to pop out, but it still scared the shit out of me.

Jack in the boxes are alright. I just punch 'em when they pop out--it's fun to watch them recoil.

But I've always hated the ventriloquism puppets. My God those are creepy. *shudder*

How'd you break your finger, if I may ask? Just wondering if the nail came off during the break or if it was some weird side-effect.


between your post count and your name, you're giving me the creeps.

Do you know me?

My finger was caught between a hard,immovable object and a hard, heavy object in motion. The nail was smashed and looked like it might survive at first, but then came off. When I finally decided to consult a doctor for the break, he speculated that there was a 50-50 chance on the nail growing back. I've always healed really well, so I'm hoping this does too.

Jack in the boxes are alright. I just punch 'em when they pop out--it's fun to watch them recoil.

But I've always hated the ventriloquism puppets. My God those are creepy. *shudder*


No-they are evil. And so are clowns. I dont even like sock puppets.

Women don't use men do they :rolleyes:
Men and women are more alike than anyone wants to admit.

between your post count and your name, you're giving me the creeps.

Do you know me?

My finger was caught between a hard,immovable object and a hard, heavy object in motion. The nail was smashed and looked like it might survive at first, but then came off. When I finally decided to consult a doctor for the break, he speculated that there was a 50-50 chance on the nail growing back. I've always healed really well, so I'm hoping this does too.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I generally follow a lot of threads and I see you in some--I'm just familiar with your name 'tis all. I don't mean to be spreading creepiness.

Also, I sympathize with your finger ordeal as I broke my pinky about six months ago. I didn't have any problems with the nail, so I was a little inquisitive about how yours would give you problems like that.

~Romanore, trying not to be creepy. :D

Never claimed it was:).

Hmmm...I've noticed that I seem to have a little General harem of menfolk lately...I wonder if I could have you do my bidding, and spread my word among the unbelievers of NS? :eek:

Not if you continue to withhold the eye candy. We don't work for free, you know. ;)

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. I generally follow a lot of threads and I see you in some--I'm just familiar with your name 'tis all. I don't mean to be spreading creepiness.

Also, I sympathize with your finger ordeal as I broke my pinky about six months ago. I didn't have any problems with the nail, so I was a little inquisitive about how yours would give you problems like that.

~Romanore, trying not to be creepy. :D


No-the creepy part was the name you've picked hits really close to home for me. you arent creepy, as far as I can tell- its just the name.

I'm glad yours healed without a problem. As far as broken bones, this is the best one to break so far-if I had to chose a bone to break, this would be it.
My concern was not having a nail.

No-the creepy part was the name you've picked hits really close to home for me. you arent creepy, as far as I can tell- its just the name.

I'm glad yours healed without a problem. As far as broken bones, this is the best one to break so far-if I had to chose a bone to break, this would be it.
My concern was not having a nail.

Hmm... well my name is pretty much a combination of Rome and Numenore, nothing more. Probably a coincidence. ;)

Not if you continue to withhold the eye candy. We don't work for free, you know. ;)
Ah well. Not gonna happen. You see...the more you leave to the imagination, the better:). If I put my pic up now, it will cease to be an issue!

Ah well. Not gonna happen. You see...the more you leave to the imagination, the better:). If I put my pic up now, it will cease to be an issue!
There'll always be.......unexposed parts :eek:

My pic is in the pic thread now. ;)
And plenty of people are posting fake pics, anyhow:).

There'll always be.......unexposed parts :eek:
Not the way I get pictures taken *hehehehehe*

Not the way I get pictures taken *hehehehehe*
:eek:



*grumbles*

ya big tease

If you're looking to get with women who like playing games then have fun. If a woman called me a dog I would know it was to see my reaction which would be letting them see the brand of my jeans.

If people don't like games it's usually because they suck at playing it.

... and I showed her a bit more than the brand of my jeans. :D

If people don't like games it's usually because they suck at playing it.

... and I showed her a bit more than the brand of my jeans. :D

Or because they don't have to play. I have no problem finding women that don't play games and don't expect me to so I don't have to resort to putting up with that nonsense out of desperation. If a woman calls me a dog, she doesn't deserve to see what's in my jeans.

Or because they don't have to play. I have no problem finding women that don't play games and don't expect me to so I don't have to resort to putting up with that nonsense out of desperation. If a woman calls me a dog, she doesn't deserve to see what's in my jeans.

There's another word for games... fore play... and it does a lot to build up the intensity of what follows :cool:

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.

Celibacy is the easier option

I find the small part a tad funny for some reason.

Celibacy is the easier option

Not another one...

Not another one... Here's another one too. Well, actually, at the moment I'm of the "can't be bothered" mentality…

Not another one...

I've been celibate before, but not voluntarily. And it's not easy. I mean, I got blisters on my palms...

Here's another one too. Well, actually, at the moment I'm of the "can't be bothered" mentality…
"can't be bothered" with "don't really know how to bother, no woman has ever showed the least bit of interest in me (in RL)" culminates in a very defeatist attitude :(

Ah well. Not gonna happen. You see...the more you leave to the imagination, the better:). If I put my pic up now, it will cease to be an issue!



Thats funny-I saw a woman in Barnes & Noble yesterday that fit my image of you...

"can't be bothered" with "don't really know how to bother, no woman has ever showed the least bit of interest in me (in RL)" culminates in a very defeatist attitude :( Mmm, well perhaps defeatist isn't really the right word - it's more that I don't really care right now.

Mmm, well perhaps defeatist isn't really the right word - it's more that I don't really care right now.
nah i was talking about me

Thats funny-I saw a woman in Barnes & Noble yesterday that fit my image of you...

Reading this gave me a mental image of a big hairy monster with an enormous tongue stalking women in book stores.

Thats funny-I saw a woman in Barnes & Noble yesterday that fit my image of you...
Well, now I want a description of your image of me!

And now that you're here....you can finally answer the above post!

And now that you're here....you can finally answer the above post! Well, I know that my mental image of you is sometimes small, with black hair, in front of a white computer. More often it's some kind of weird blue/grey wave thing, because of your name.

Well, I know that my mental image of you is sometimes small, with black hair, in front of a white computer. More often it's some kind of weird blue/grey wave thing, because of your name.
That's not Sinuhue, that's SineWave:).

And now that you're here....you can finally answer the above post!

I'm always here, my sweetness...

She was a bit shorter than me, long dark hair with almost a kink to it, olive complexion, very dark eyes. Her shorts were a little too tight and she had on flip-flops. She wears them often, her feet were calloused at the heels from driving in them and a bit dirty. She had "Strangers from a foreign SHore" under her arm and was flipping through a Bobby Flay cook book. She had a B & N membership card that got her 10% off...

Reading this gave me a mental image of a big hairy monster with an enormous tongue stalking women in book stores.


You might be half right... But I'm not so hairy that you'd notice. My tongue does touch my nose when I try, but I dont often let it loll...

There's another word for games... fore play... and it does a lot to build up the intensity of what follows :cool:

Hey, look, if you have to trick women to get them into bed and to satisfy them, then have fun. I don't.

Hey, look, if you have to trick women to get them into bed and to satisfy them, then have fun. I don't.
Quit making me chase you around this damn forum!!!!! :headbang: :sniper:

Quit making me chase you around this damn forum!!!!! :headbang: :sniper:

Honestly, I think it's amazing there wasn't more to say in this thread. It's certainly a widespread problem.

Yeah, it kind of got off-topic. Let's drag it back.

What are some things that women do to screw up their chances at landing a guy, either permanently or temporarily?

Yeah, it kind of got off-topic. Let's drag it back.

What are some things that women do to screw up their chances at landing a guy, either permanently or temporarily?

So many women think that men only want sex so they react accordingly. Ladies, it is no more appealing to a man when a woman walks up and immediately says she wants to bed you than when a man does it. There are some guys here that would argue, but my guess is the kind of guy this would work on is very similar to the kind of girl this would work on.

So many women think that men only want sex so they react accordingly. Ladies, it is no more appealing to a man when a woman walks up and immediately says she wants to bed you than when a man does it. There are some guys here that would argue, but my guess is the kind of guy this would work on is very similar to the kind of girl this would work on.
And here I was thinking that this is EXACTLY what men want more women to be doing!!!!

Yeah, it kind of got off-topic. Let's drag it back.

What are some things that women do to screw up their chances at landing a guy, either permanently or temporarily?

In one way or another, probably her friends.

And here I was thinking that this is EXACTLY what men want more women to be doing!!!!

Like you were saying people can be honest and tactful. Men shouldn't walk up and say, "I know you're probably going to turn me down but the humiliation is worth a closer look at you tits," regardless of how accurate the statement is. There are better methods of achieving your goals while still be true to yourself and honest.

In one way or another, probably her friends.

OOOH, good answer.

Hey, look, if you have to trick women to get them into bed and to satisfy them, then have fun. I don't.

Tricks imply dishonesty, games imply fun. You'll be a happier person when you learn the difference.

And here I was thinking that this is EXACTLY what men want more women to be doing!!!!
You're more brainwashed by the media than you think. :(

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

*Sinuhue does not presume to speak for all women. This thread is entirely her opinion. No men were harmed in the production of this thread. One gay man was consulted for his opinion. He does not presume to speak for all gay men.

A bit too much generalization, perhaps (several posts to quote on this, but I'm just quoting the one that started it all)?

And for one to speak her personal opinion, you sure use the word 'we' a lot.

You're more brainwashed by the media than you think. :(

Yes, or she's being sarcastic... (hopefully).

Part of what makes you attractive to women, is your interest in women. Not women at large. Your specific interest in a specific woman. You can be drop-dead handsome, intelligent, witty, kind...but if your eye follows every passing curve, your attractiveness is cancelled out. We want to know that we have your full attention. If you make us feel special, we tend to be more likely to consider you as a possibility. When it becomes clear that you use the same clever phrases, the same 'accidental' touches with any woman who crosses your path, you are basically shouting to us, "it wouldn't matter who was sitting across from me, I'd still be trying to get into her pants".

This is true even when we know it's going to be a one night stand.

Yeah, I would agree with that. But, for me, this extends past "romantic" encounters. I don't need to be the center of everybody's universe, but it always makes me feel lousy when somebody reminds me that I am utterly expendable. This is true if it's a romantic interest, a friend, a family member, or even a coworker.

I know I'm not REALLY that important, but I like to feel that I am at least unique in some way. Even if I'm not somebody's best friend, I like to feel that my friendship is (in some small way) unlike their other friendships, or that I bring something to the relationship that is special...even if it's something really minor.

I've been celibate before, but not voluntarily. And it's not easy. I mean, I got blisters on my palms...
Not to mention the... well, let's just say it's quite uncomfortable, especially when they burst.

Tricks imply dishonesty, games imply fun. You'll be a happier person when you learn the difference.

You proposed mistreating a woman so she calls you names. You admit dishonesty. I'm a quite happy person now. Mostly because I have absolutely no difficulties with women being selectively honest in some form of game. Instead, I'm clear about what I want and need and if she meets those wants and needs.