NationStates Jolt Archive

Republicans can either be moderate or right winged. The republicans that I think are worth having been in office or are in office are Ford, Teddy Roosevelt, John McCain, Ronald Reagan, and there are a few others. This is how living in a red state I have discovered how conservatives think (in short).

1.Religon
Conservatives in the last election used southern baptists to get themselves elected. It was a smart move, that unfortunetly for them revealed how far their hypocreaceae truly goes. The conservatives made everyone believe that every democrat, or worse still independent, was a homosexual marrying baby killer. Fact the only time in the history of the united states of america that homosexuals have been able to legally marry is under a republican president. Fact democrats in the last election did not push for gay marriage just equal rights. Fact the supreme court judges elected by Ronald Reagan and one swaped out by George Bush sr. are who determined that abortion was legal, allowed by the constitution.

2.Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil
Conservatives believe that they are above the human race for some reason that I have yet to figure out. They will drink, do drugs, have sex, but just not talk about it. That way if they dont admit it and they dont talk about it its like it never happened. It just doesn't count. Example George Bush jr. has smoked weed, yet he doesnt ever talk about that or admit it. So intern its like it never happened (by the way there is an audio recording of him admiting that). I have been living in a red state for years. What Im saying may not make any sense to a moderate republican a.k.a. a republican who can actually think and read who also just does whats best for the country, but I swear to you it is true.

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?

4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be. Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising, fully automatic weapons are legal, gas prices are insane, and the list keeps on going. The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act. Which bascially strips any person who is called a terrorist of all constitutional rights. The department of homeland security can detain anyone without a reason for unlimited amount of time, no lawyer, no phone call, no constitutional rights. The government can perform searches upon personal property without a warrant or even so much as probable cause. If you are lucky enough to actually get a trial the government can with hold "secret evidence" in the intrest of national security to use to incarcerate an individual.

5.Foreign Affairs
Right now the united states is in vietnam 2. We at war with a group of radical muslims who have been fighting in a religious war for over a millennium. This is not a war that is just up and going to be won one day. The death toll is rising it has been worse this past month than ever before. Recruiting goals have failed miserably for months. REPUBLICANS CANNOT WIN A WAR. They have never done it. Every major successful military campaign has been with a democratic president. World War One Woodrow Wilson, World War Two frankiln D. Roosevelt, and Harry S. Truman*, Cuban missile crisis John F. Kennedy. Desert storm*, vietnam, Iraq* all republican wars, ALL LOST.

Well there you have it a southern democrat speaks out. This is simply my 2 cents, im sure everyone has theirs. Now for those * there are some side bar notes here...

*Harry S. Truman yes truman did drop the bombs. I for a long time struggled with the idea of truman doing such an act. But the truth of the matter is the Japanese take the bushido code very seriously. The code basically states never give up never surrender. The only way the Japanese would have given up is if they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could not win. Historians have concluded that if the war had dragged out (truman didnt drop the bomb) more people would have actually died. We would have had to kill every japanese solider before the surrendered.

*Desert Storm many people may argue that this war went "swimmingly well" however, its what stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. If Bush sr. had never lost desert storm Clinton would have never gotten elected.

*Iraq I would like to say that I am not attacking out troops. I honestly worry about their saftey thats why I can so much politically about whats going on. I have a friend who is ex-military (Honorably discharged) and my uncle is an ex-marine (Honorably discharged). The fact of the matter is the united states does not have the power to kill every terrorist in the world. If we could that would be great, but lets face reality. The definiton of a terrorist is One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism-(dictionary.com source). We have terrorists right here in the United States lets worry about them.

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3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?

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I'm sorry, but maybe in the south things are like that, but to speak for the ENTIRE party is a grave generalization. I am not a Republican but I don't like this attacking tone you have with broad generalizations.

I often wonder why there aren't many blacks in the GOP.

The democrats don't care about them. They've been using them for years just for their vote. Toss them an appeasement bone every now and then and they've been gauranteed the vote.

Its sick and I don't think most recognize it for what it is. 90% of African Americans are Dems. Why? Beats me. I think most of them are conservative apart from the Equal Rights issues. (Which is not a partisan thing but a freedom issue)

Any one who claims that all Reps are racist is just trying to slander a large group of people.

The same goes for all the over arching generalizations against any one group, Dems, Reps, Libs, what have you.

(I live in a "Blue" state and am neither "Red" nor "b=Blue")

Wow. Y'know, I don't know what you're calling yourself, but if you're touting the Democrats, you're doing an incredibly slipshod job. There are so many factual errors in what you've posted that I haven't got the time to undo them all. I'll pick my favorite: JFK "winning" a war. The Cuban Missile Crisis? That's not a war. You forget about the Bay of Pigs and the continuance of "anti-Communist" interventions across the globe among many other things. Whether by his own ideas or as a result of pressure from advisors, JFK was a hawk, make no mistake.

You've done your "side" no favors with this post. As an independent, I can assure you that you've not come within a mile of speaking for me. Generalizations and polarization are the problems in US politics -- you've just exacerbated them.

This thread was a joke, right? Somebody tell me it was just a mockery of Democrats by a Republican. I really like the part about all Republican being racist in Alabama, no stereotyping there.
Also the Supreme Court Justices being "elected" by Reagan. . .how many votes did Reagan get? heh heh.
At least I got a good chuckle this morning.

4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be. Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising, fully automatic weapons are legal, gas prices are insane, and the list keeps on going. The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act. Which bascially strips any person who is called a terrorist of all constitutional rights. The department of homeland security can detain anyone without a reason for unlimited amount of time, no lawyer, no phone call, no constitutional rights. The government can perform searches upon personal property without a warrant or even so much as probable cause. If you are lucky enough to actually get a trial the government can with hold "secret evidence" in the intrest of national security to use to incarcerate an individual.

Yes and I'm sure dirty liberals can fix all those problems with a wave of their collective magic wand. If Liberals were in power, they would be more concerned with legalizing gay marriage, getting more funds for abortion clinics, and completely banning the death penalty. They wouldn't do squat about the crime rate, or child healthcare.

Wow. This sounds like an editorial from an Ivy League student newspaper. :eek:

Wow. This sounds like an editorial from an Ivy League student newspaper. :eek:

heh heh, Ivy League, those guys kill me. :D

we should ask ourselves- do conservatives think?

Republicans can either be moderate or right winged. The republicans that I think are worth having been in office or are in office are Ford, Teddy Roosevelt, John McCain, Ronald Reagan, and there are a few others. This is how living in a red state I have discovered how conservatives think (in short).
As opposed to liberals and socialists who don't? :) :Just kidding: I doubt highly you understand exactly how a large portion of the American population thinks. Especially seen as Conservatives each have many different opinions ranging from extreme libertarionism to fascism.

1.Religon
Conservatives in the last election used southern baptists to get themselves elected. It was a smart move, that unfortunetly for them revealed how far their hypocreaceae truly goes. The conservatives made everyone believe that every democrat, or worse still independent, was a homosexual marrying baby killer. Fact the only time in the history of the united states of america that homosexuals have been able to legally marry is under a republican president. Fact democrats in the last election did not push for gay marriage just equal rights. Fact the supreme court judges elected by Ronald Reagan and one swaped out by George Bush sr. are who determined that abortion was legal, allowed by the constitution.
Why is it hypocrisy? Just because Republicans at one time allowed homosexual marriage doesn't mean that Republicans of this time agree with it. Just because some judges were put in allowing abortion doesn't mean that the party supports it.

You want hypocrisy come up north to Canada. The Liberals are campaigning on the "hidden agenda" of the Conservatives. The Liberal PM is condemning a new court decision allowing private insurance and is always speaking against privatization of health care. Meanwhile he currently uses private health care for himself. The Liberals have been caught in scandal after scandal in the last 12 years.


2.Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil
Conservatives believe that they are above the human race for some reason that I have yet to figure out. They will drink, do drugs, have sex, but just not talk about it. That way if they dont admit it and they dont talk about it its like it never happened. It just doesn't count. Example George Bush jr. has smoked weed, yet he doesnt ever talk about that or admit it. So intern its like it never happened (by the way there is an audio recording of him admiting that). I have been living in a red state for years. What Im saying may not make any sense to a moderate republican a.k.a. a republican who can actually think and read who also just does whats best for the country, but I swear to you it is true.
Some conservatives are probably hypocrites. But then again there's many liberals who rail against poverty but live in opulence without giving any of their obscene amounts of wealth to the poor. Hypocrites exist everywhere. He did weed and got drunk as a teen. Sinece then he has repented of his ways and became a Christian and a family man.

As well not all conservatives are Christians.

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?
A party with a female black as Secretary of State. Who replaced Colin Powell another minority. Also that Mexican (whose name I can't remember) who many condemned due to his comments on the Geneva Convention is pretty highly placed. Did Clinton have a black Secretary of State?

As for thinking, the "left" also shows many lapses in rational thought, as evidenced by this over-generalized, poorly spelled, ad homenin (spelling?) post.

I don't know any Republicans be they athiest, Buddhist, or Christian, I live in Canada.

4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be. Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising, fully automatic weapons are legal, gas prices are insane, and the list keeps on going. The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act. Which bascially strips any person who is called a terrorist of all constitutional rights. The department of homeland security can detain anyone without a reason for unlimited amount of time, no lawyer, no phone call, no constitutional rights. The government can perform searches upon personal property without a warrant or even so much as probable cause. If you are lucky enough to actually get a trial the government can with hold "secret evidence" in the intrest of national security to use to incarcerate an individual.

Clinton didn't institute universal health care either. The Democrats aren't working all that hard at it are they?

Crime rises and falls. Policies take time to get in place. The current crime rate rise may be due to residual effects from Clinton. Or it might just be the fact that the crime rate tends to rise and fall at random, because it's a human actions, which aren't always predictable.

The Patriot Act blows, but the Liberals in Canada instituted similar anti-terrorism legislation after 9/11, proving that it's not just conservatives who do this stuff.

As for assault weapons that might be a good thing.

5.Foreign Affairs
Right now the united states is in vietnam 2. We at war with a group of radical muslims who have been fighting in a religious war for over a millennium. This is not a war that is just up and going to be won one day. The death toll is rising it has been worse this past month than ever before. Recruiting goals have failed miserably for months. REPUBLICANS CANNOT WIN A WAR. They have never done it. Every major successful military campaign has been with a democratic president. World War One Woodrow Wilson, World War Two frankiln D. Roosevelt, and Harry S. Truman*, Cuban missile crisis John F. Kennedy. Desert storm*, vietnam, Iraq* all republican wars, ALL LOST.

It won't be won in a day but it may be one over time, and elections in Iraq are a decent step toward this.

If I remember correctly, Lincoln, a Republican, won the Civil War for the North. Then after his assasination his successors screwed the

WW1 was not fully won and the "victory" actually was the direct cause of WW2. They were pretty much the same war with a long truce in-between. (Read The German Wars by Goodspeed). The Cuban Missile Crisis was not a war, but a stand-off, which ended well as much out of luck as anything (read Essence of Decision by Allison).

Vietnam was fought through multiple presidencies, and the Democrat presidents didn't win the war either. Nixon ended the war but Johnson started it and failed to end it. While Kennedy didn't have any success in winning Vietnam.

Desert Storm was won very easily and very well. How you get that it was lost is beyond me.

Well there you have it a southern democrat speaks out. This is simply my 2 cents, im sure everyone has theirs. Now for those * there are some side bar notes here...

Less generalizations, more accurate historical accounts, and less unsubstantiated attacks would have greatly increased the quality of this post.

*Harry S. Truman yes truman did drop the bombs. I for a long time struggled with the idea of truman doing such an act. But the truth of the matter is the Japanese take the bushido code very seriously. The code basically states never give up never surrender. The only way the Japanese would have given up is if they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could not win. Historians have concluded that if the war had dragged out (truman didnt drop the bomb) more people would have actually died. We would have had to kill every japanese solider before the surrendered.
I agree.

*Desert Storm many people may argue that this war went "swimmingly well" however, its what stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. If Bush sr. had never lost desert storm Clinton would have never gotten elected.
The war wasn't lost the election was. Wars and elections are different.

*Iraq I would like to say that I am not attacking out troops. I honestly worry about their saftey thats why I can so much politically about whats going on. I have a friend who is ex-military (Honorably discharged) and my uncle is an ex-marine (Honorably discharged). The fact of the matter is the united states does not have the power to kill every terrorist in the world. If we could that would be great, but lets face reality. The definiton of a terrorist is One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism-(dictionary.com source). We have terrorists right here in the United States lets worry about them.
Actually the US does have the power to kill every terrorist in the world. It's called a nuclear holocaust. It's just the cost is much more than the benefit. You should worry about internal terrorists, but not at the expense of ignoring foriegn ones. Just because the US can't completely eradicate terrorism doesn't mean that they can't try to stop some of the terrorists.

You forgot the quotation marks around "think." It seems to be the custom around here when partisan hacks refer to the "thinking" of their opponents.

Decorum - it's not the law, but it should be!

What exactly is conservative about George W Bush or, for that matter, the current Republican Party?

This whole topic is a giant strawman.

Well, this is a crap thread.

Fact the supreme court judges elected by Ronald Reagan and one swaped out by George Bush sr. are who determined that abortion was legal, allowed by the constitution.
Wrong. Reagan was elected in 1980. Abortion (or rather, privacy) was recognised as a constitutional right in 1973.

Republicans can either be moderate or right winged.

Are you or have you ever been conservative? Then what gives you the right or clairevoyance to write a treatise on what their ideology is, or did some professor feed it to you?

This is what really gets my goat about fellow Democrats- they are presumptuous and rude. We will never convince anyone to listen to us if we go on with personal attacks...

Remember, no flaming on the forum applies to other conversations as well.

"If you look for the bad in mankind hoping to find it, you surely will". --Abraham Lincoln

*Desert Storm many people may argue that this war went "swimmingly well" however, its what stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. If Bush sr. had never lost desert storm Clinton would have never gotten elected.

I do believe we won desert storm and Bush wasnt elected again because he promised no new taxes and couldnt deliver.

I do believe we won desert storm and Bush wasnt elected again because he promised no new taxes and couldnt deliver.

i believe you are right EA.

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?


I'm a Alabamian and I voted Republican and I didn't know that I was a racist. Thanks for enlightening me :rolleyes:


P.S. I have 3 African-American friends who are Republican

Naderomics, please stop this. You may be right, you may not, but you're mostly just trolling the board with these generalizations. If you wish to be better than the Republicans, you must love them in spite of their beliefs. :p

I suppose since Naderomics has met only republicans who are racist, it must be true. He has been listening to Howard Dean, I imagine.

I have been to Alabama and met many who are not. By his logic, no republican in Alabama is a racist...

Statistics. :D

Dude not cool. First off the Vietnam war was not a "republican" or "conservative" war, just becasue the president at that time was a republican. Very few conservatives supported the war and it just so happens that congress was controlled by democrats and the president supported the war. That's all.

And we didn't lose the war in Iraq. We have accomplished all but one goal in Iraq. We captured Saddam Hussein, lowered the number of terrorists, captured several major terrorist leaders, and turned Iraq into a democratic country with a constitution. All we have to do is finish rebuilding.

And you have so many other errors its impossible to count them all. Think before you speak.

And you said yourself, that democrats want equal rights. You call repblicans racist which makes you prejudice against conservatives. Not ALL conservatives are racist, some are I admit, some, and some liberals and socialists are also racist. So once again, think before you speak. :headbang:

Dude not cool. First off the Vietnam war was not a "republican" or "conservative" war, just becasue the president at that time was a republican. Very few conservatives supported the war and it just so happens that congress was controlled by democrats and the president supported the war. That's all.

And we didn't lose the war in Iraq. We have accomplished all but one goal in Iraq. We captured Saddam Hussein, lowered the number of terrorists, captured several major terrorist leaders, and turned Iraq into a democratic country with a constitution. All we have to do is finish rebuilding.

And you have so many other errors its impossible to count them all. Think before you speak.

That war was started and missmannageg by Kennedy and Johnson. It was finished by Nixon and Ford! To the great releif of most of the americian people I add.

I do not state'win or lost' but simply point out to you the facts!

The republicians supported both the world wars and there might have been a better outcome to WW1 if Wilson had not been such a complete ass after the peace treaty was signed in 1919!

Come on, people. The real problem is that people, in general, cannot think for themselves. If you truely believe that you have to belong to a political party and conform to their ideals to be important, then you are far more pathetic than even the lowliest of racist hics, wether you are republican or democrat. That is why I am independant. You need to find out what you truely believe is right, find out what everyone else truely believes is right, and find a place where you are both happy. You can't just force yourself into a pre-fabbed mold and be like everyone else. That's where quite a few of the problems in this world originate in the first place.

"Think for yourself. Question authority" - Tool

This is a funny thread. I am an independant conservative. I actually laugh because the Republican party and President Bush have done a lot of centrist or even liberal things to try to bridge the gap and are still labeled as extremely conservative.

I had a roommate that was half-arab and lived both the rich and poor life and he is conservative.

This is great entertainment. I love everyone no matter what you believe in. I don't look down on people because they think differently or come to different conclusions. I don't look at liberals or moderates who are really liberal as a creature to be figured out. They are just people that believe different. I think I'm correct. They think they're correct. That doesn't stop me from hanging out with them.

Food for thought:
I work at a paper mill where some of the chemicals can be used for weapons of mass destruction and they can be used for non weapon uses (paper making). Chemicals like this (dual--weapon and non-weapon--use chemicals) were found in Iraq. You can believe what you want to believe. I won't stop you. That is what is great about America.

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?
I'm very right-wing minded. My girlfriend who is east indian is even more conservative. Last semester I attended a lecture at my college given by Mr. JC Watts... an african american republican. Why is it that the majority of the party being white makes it racist?

You just think of Republic as Racists cause of how they deal with certain situation with other countrys or problems in other States. But its not really true. They just have certain beliefs on how to rule the country!

p.s: I went to Alabama and I haven't seen any racist Republicans. :mad:

... lowered the number of terrorists, captured several major terrorist leaders...
I would have to disagree. What "major terrorist leaders" are you talking about? As far as I can see, terrorism has drastically increased in Iraq after the war.
As far as Terrorism is concerned, this is a major justification for people to take up arms against America now, almost like you wanted to prove everyone right who said you were fighting a war against muslims for oil (i didn't say that, but it certainly looks that way for your average afghani farmer for example).

But more importantly:
Isn't conservatism the idea of keeping status quo, of looking back at the past with fond memories?
Most modern "conservative" ideas are rather radical new reorganisations of society, so I'm not sure whether conservative is actually the right word. Right-Wingers may be better.

But more importantly:
Isn't conservatism the idea of keeping status quo, of looking back at the past with fond memories?
Most modern "conservative" ideas are rather radical new reorganisations of society, so I'm not sure whether conservative is actually the right word. Right-Wingers may be better.
Except that right-wing simply refers to those who are capitalist. Libertarians are right-wing, yet they support even more civil liberties than many Democrats do.
You'll need a different word.

What if Republicans were to "see the light" and begin to think as you do? Eventually wouldn't everyone be thinking the exact same way? Is that what you want? A nation full of people thinking and believing the same thing? What makes America great is the fact that we are all allowed to have different opinions, and the compromise between the holders of those opinions forms our democratic system. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that Republicans aren't "wrong" either. Respect their views because you would demand the same about yours.

What I dislike about the current state of the Republican party is that they no longer care about anyone. They just do whatever the upper class tells them too and throw out some shiny Religous mumbo jumbo to keep the Bible Lovers happy. Then they use spin doctoring and diversion of topics to disguise the things that they fail at.
However most of the Bible lovers are getting old, soon they won't have that segment to constantly vote for them.

And the South is still very Racist, I live there also.

What I dislike about the current state of the Republican party is that they no longer care about anyone. They just do whatever the upper class tells them too and throw out some shiny Religous mumbo jumbo to keep the Bible Lovers happy. Then they use spin doctoring and diversion of topics to disguise the things that they fail at.
However most of the Bible lovers are getting old, soon they won't have that segment to constantly vote for them.

And the South is still very Racist, I live there also.



Well, Mr. Troll, I live in the deep South as well and I have yet to see more racism than is prevalent anywhere else.

You do know that Republicans aren't racial bigots, we freed the slaves, ratified the 13th amendment, push for black rights, etc. Look at Strom Thurmond, a democrat who held the longest filibuster for what? he was against the passing of a civil rights bill.

You do know that Republicans aren't racial bigots, we freed the slaves, ratified the 13th amendment, push for black rights, etc. Look at Strom Thurmond, a democrat who held the longest filibuster for what? he was against the passing of a civil rights bill.

Strom Thurmond wasn't a Democrat. He was a staunched Republican. Although he did run under the short-lived "Segregation Party" at one point.

Whether or not the Republicans are racial bigots (sort of a broad claim, if you ask me), The Republican party that ratified the thirteenth amendment and put Lincoln in office is not the one that is around today.

Both sides of this post seem violently mis or uninformed. Reagan's appointees legalized abortion? When was this? Why wasn't I told?

The Republican party (currently) isn't about bigotry or evil or what-have-you. It's about winning. It's about electioneering. The Democratic party either stands for nothing or can't decide what it stands for... mostly it seems to be a "not Republican Party" party. An admirable thing perhaps, but really not by much.

People seem to treat political parties like dogmatic religion in this country. Each one picking and choosing facts and ideas that raise up those they support and detract from those they do not.

It makes political discourse, both in policy and history, nearly impossible. If someone says "I don't like that Bush is doing this" or "I don't think Clinton should have done that" the immediate reprisal is a smearing by those under fire by those one doesn't agree with. As if thinking that no child left behind is a bad idea means you need to support every democrat through whatever they have done or are doing. The same, of course, goes for the opposite configuration.

Red state, blue state nonsense. They should all get red and blue t-shirts and have a big tug-of-war to decide who's right.

I should note that when I say Thurmond was a Staunched Republican, I am being glib. I'm sure people have already posted in reply to that in a literal fashion.

Thurmond was elected a Democrat, and later formed the ill-fated Dixiecrat (man, that's funny) party.

It wasn't until Barry Goldwater in 1964 that he officially became a Republican. Still, that's quite a while.

2.Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil
Conservatives believe that they are above the human race for some reason that I have yet to figure out. They will drink, do drugs, have sex, but just not talk about it. That way if they dont admit it and they dont talk about it its like it never happened. It just doesn't count. Example George Bush jr. has smoked weed, yet he doesnt ever talk about that or admit it. So intern its like it never happened (by the way there is an audio recording of him admiting that). I have been living in a red state for years. What Im saying may not make any sense to a moderate republican a.k.a. a republican who can actually think and read who also just does whats best for the country, but I swear to you it is true.

Are you refering to the recording of Bush when he said he'd never answer any questions about drug use because he thought it was wrong and didn't want kids useing his mistakes to justify their own behavior? I seem to recall several news reports about how todays teenagers are very promiscuous because they don't think oral sex is really sex because a former president once said it wasn't.



4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be. Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising, fully automatic weapons are legal, gas prices are insane, and the list keeps on going. The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act. Which bascially strips any person who is called a terrorist of all constitutional rights. The department of homeland security can detain anyone without a reason for unlimited amount of time, no lawyer, no phone call, no constitutional rights. The government can perform searches upon personal property without a warrant or even so much as probable cause. If you are lucky enough to actually get a trial the government can with hold "secret evidence" in the intrest of national security to use to incarcerate an individual.

Now this part is just plain factually inaccurate. There are no warentless searches. The feds still have to get warrents, they just don't have to tell you they searched your place. Also, Homland Security cannot detain anyone without charge because they operate inside the borders and the courts say that anyone arrested inside our borders gets the same rights regardless.

Oh how I am tempted to make a thread titled out of the epitome of arrogant presumption, "How liberals think" containing only the words "they don't."

I'm sure everyone else has pointed this out, but to increase any credibility you might have, edit your original post and take out the racial bigotry paragraph.

Come on, people. The real problem is that people, in general, cannot think for themselves. If you truely believe that you have to belong to a political party and conform to their ideals to be important, then you are far more pathetic than even the lowliest of racist hics, wether you are republican or democrat. That is why I am independant. You need to find out what you truely believe is right, find out what everyone else truely believes is right, and find a place where you are both happy. You can't just force yourself into a pre-fabbed mold and be like everyone else. That's where quite a few of the problems in this world originate in the first place.

Here's my interesting thought of the day. Do you support unions? A political party is basically the same thing as a labor union: the many are stronger by grouping together than they would be alone.

What I dislike about the current state of the Republican party is that they no longer care about anyone. They just do whatever the upper class tells them too and throw out some shiny Religous mumbo jumbo to keep the Bible Lovers happy. Then they use spin doctoring and diversion of topics to disguise the things that they fail at.
However most of the Bible lovers are getting old, soon they won't have that segment to constantly vote for them.

And the South is still very Racist, I live there also.
HAH - Did someone forget to feed the trolls?

We, as Republicans, believe what we do because we think it is correct. If I'm not mistaken, Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, and Socialists (sorry if I forgot your party) do the same (althought a lot of the Democrats that voted in 2004 were voting against W).

You forgot the middle class when you were talking about who tells Bush what to do. A lot of the upper class movie stars and celebrities are against Bush by the way.

If you're thinking that the "Bible lovers" are getting old and dying off, you haven't met me and the millions of other "Bible lovers" under the age of 30. I thought you lived in the South? You have to have seen some of us.

heh heh, Ivy League, those guys kill me. :D

Yet most of our president and Senators come from the Ivy. They are actually taught how to package yourself in these schools [ I know if definately happens in Duke's political dept.]

The myth of the "common man politician" is just that-- a myth.

Yes and I'm sure dirty liberals can fix all those problems with a wave of their collective magic wand. If Liberals were in power, they would be more concerned with legalizing gay marriage, getting more funds for abortion clinics, and completely banning the death penalty. They wouldn't do squat about the crime rate, or child healthcare.

Note:
The conservatives of today are equal or more liberal than the liberals of today. They actually want to legislate morality and religion into the Constitution. Wouldn't that need much more government?

And not every one is a liberal. There are moderates out there. People seem to forget them.

What if Republicans were to "see the light" and begin to think as you do? Eventually wouldn't everyone be thinking the exact same way? Is that what you want? A nation full of people thinking and believing the same thing? What makes America great is the fact that we are all allowed to have different opinions, and the compromise between the holders of those opinions forms our democratic system. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that Republicans aren't "wrong" either. Respect their views because you would demand the same about yours.

That was not... logical :(

Are you refering to the recording of Bush when he said he'd never answer any questions about drug use because he thought it was wrong and didn't want kids useing his mistakes to justify their own behavior? I seem to recall several news reports about how todays teenagers are very promiscuous because they don't think oral sex is really sex because a former president once said it wasn't.




Now this part is just plain factually inaccurate. There are no warentless searches. The feds still have to get warrents, they just don't have to tell you they searched your place. Also, Homland Security cannot detain anyone without charge because they operate inside the borders and the courts say that anyone arrested inside our borders gets the same rights regardless.

Aren't the judges required to give them the warrants. Wouldn't that be the same as not having to obtain a warrant?

Aren't the judges required to give them the warrants. Wouldn't that be the same as not having to obtain a warrant?

No. The Patriot Act doesn't change the burden of proof required by regular criminal law. In fact the act specifically states at one point that judges are prohibited from issueing warrents if the only evidence the authorities have are statements that can be considered free speech.

A party with a female black as Secretary of State. Who replaced Colin Powell another minority. Also that Mexican (whose name I can't remember) who many condemned due to his comments on the Geneva Convention is pretty highly placed. Did Clinton have a black Secretary of State?


Strategic positioning. A highly visible African-American SS, is very good for the Rep. image.


Also, someone stated that Blacks tend to be more conservative.
How? We tend to be more moderate[ bordering on liberal. And we actually listen and think. You can easily sit a Black person down about the issue and discuss it and see them actually taking your points in a thinking about them. It doesn't mean they'll always agree, but most of the time when I point out history and that sanctioning a certian religion would be totally ignoring the whole basis of the country, they usually accept that.

I've found that not-so-educated whites fail to even listen before "deny, deny, deny" happens. But this is my experience. I've just seen enough in the news, chatrooms, and tv to see that tend echoed. :(

I just hate attempts by conservatives to latch on blacks knowing not their thinking on issues...


As for assault weapons that might be a good thing.




No.

[QUOTE=Naderomics]
3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?

[QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but maybe in the south things are like that, but to speak for the ENTIRE party is a grave generalization. I am not a Republican but I don't like this attacking tone you have with broad generalizations.

I often wonder why there aren't many blacks in the GOP.

The democrats don't care about them. They've been using them for years just for their vote. Toss them an appeasement bone every now and then and they've been gauranteed the vote.

Its sick and I don't think most recognize it for what it is. 90% of African Americans are Dems. Why? Beats me. I think most of them are conservative apart from the Equal Rights issues. (Which is not a partisan thing but a freedom issue)

Any one who claims that all Reps are racist is just trying to slander a large group of people.

The same goes for all the over arching generalizations against any one group, Dems, Reps, Libs, what have you.

(I live in a "Blue" state and am neither "Red" nor "b=Blue")

So by your logic 90% of african americans are just fools right. Interesting. I could not imagine why they wont vote republican.

Wow. Y'know, I don't know what you're calling yourself, but if you're touting the Democrats, you're doing an incredibly slipshod job. There are so many factual errors in what you've posted that I haven't got the time to undo them all. I'll pick my favorite: JFK "winning" a war. The Cuban Missile Crisis? That's not a war. You forget about the Bay of Pigs and the continuance of "anti-Communist" interventions across the globe among many other things. Whether by his own ideas or as a result of pressure from advisors, JFK was a hawk, make no mistake.

You've done your "side" no favors with this post. As an independent, I can assure you that you've not come within a mile of speaking for me. Generalizations and polarization are the problems in US politics -- you've just exacerbated them.

JFK was a hero. The time he was president was the golden age of america. Too bad you dont see that. The Cuban missile crisis was something that could have been a total disaster. JFK put his life on the line for a cause he believed in. He hurt the mafia very badly. He was killed by them its not secret. I'd like to see a republican put his life on the line for an issue. No wait they have never done that.

[QUOTE=Eriadhin][QUOTE=Naderomics]


So by your logic 90% of african americans are just fools right. Interesting. I could not imagine why they wont vote republican.

Just curious, who did you vote for in the last election?

This thread was a joke, right? Somebody tell me it was just a mockery of Democrats by a Republican. I really like the part about all Republican being racist in Alabama, no stereotyping there.
Also the Supreme Court Justices being "elected" by Reagan. . .how many votes did Reagan get? heh heh.
At least I got a good chuckle this morning.

Your so smart you have no idea what to say. Instead of actually proving me wrong, you have supported everything I have just typed by not thinking for yourself. Bravo.

This entire thread is a waste of time. One cannot assume what all of a large group of people think collectively furthermore proving this topic is pointless. You want to know how a conservative thinks, see what they have to actually say, instead of looking at their worst attributes and decisions. I do also believe you forgot to mention how bill clinton had an affair with monica lewinski. Did he come out in public with that and talk about it? If you did drugs would you just walk up to your parents and say "Hey, I just sniffed some cocaine, i just decided to tell you so I could get in trouble! Thanks!" Your #2 point is completely ignorant. NOBODY is perfect, people make mistakes, and if you are a politician and you screw up, you have to cover it up so you don't ruin your career.
Spelling and grammatical errors also subtract from the overall credibility of this heap of rubbish. Congratulations, you just wasted your time and mine.

Yes and I'm sure dirty liberals can fix all those problems with a wave of their collective magic wand. If Liberals were in power, they would be more concerned with legalizing gay marriage, getting more funds for abortion clinics, and completely banning the death penalty. They wouldn't do squat about the crime rate, or child healthcare.

Dirty liberal wow name calling im hurt. Im crying now. But democrats never pushed for gay marriage just equal rights. We have never given money to abortion clinics, we just realize that if they were shut down more people would die. We have never pushed for the death penalty to be banned completely, but texas will put to death mentally retarded people and pushed for the ability to put to death minors.

Wow. This sounds like an editorial from an Ivy League student newspaper. :eek:

Not sure what your saying there. But thanks for reading.

we should ask ourselves- do conservatives think?

Thanks for your support. Live long and prosper

. I'd like to see a republican put his life on the line for an issue. No wait they have never done that.

You just repeated yourself. Go back to school and get off this game.

This entire thread is a waste of time. One cannot assume what all of a large group of people think collectively furthermore proving this topic is pointless [GRAMMAR]. You want to know how a conservative thinks, see what they have to actually say, instead of looking at their worst attributes and decisions.[QUESTION MARK] I do also believe you forgot to mention how bill clinton had an affair with monica lewinski. [NAMES ARE GENERALLY STARTED WITH CAPITAL LETTERS] Did he come out in public with that and talk about it? If you did drugs would you just walk up to your parents and say "Hey, I just sniffed some cocaine, i just decided to tell you so I could get in trouble! Thanks!" Your #2 point is completely ignorant. NOBODY is perfect, people make mistakes, and if you are a politician and you screw up, you have to cover it up so you don't ruin your career.
Spelling and grammatical errors also subtract from the overall credibility of this heap of rubbish. Congratulations, you just wasted your time and mine.

Jeez, you're pretty aggressive, aren't you?
A politician needs to be a little more selfless than most people. That's what you do it for. You get power, and in return you give up your own interests and schemes. Ideally. In the US that seems to be especially rare.
Now what is the problem with the president having an affair? How is that of concern to anyone? It doesn't change the life of anyone.
If the president has the bosses of Enron for dinner every night, privatises large energy markets for Enron to lap it all up, and Enron then goes bust, leaving thousands with nothing, then that changes the lives of many.
And covering it up only worsens the whole affair because it prevents appropriate solutions and preventions from being implemented.
So back off, if you don't want to read then don't.
And if you have a view, then say it, that's what we're all here for, right?

As opposed to liberals and socialists who don't? :) :Just kidding: I doubt highly you understand exactly how a large portion of the American population thinks. Especially seen as Conservatives each have many different opinions ranging from extreme libertarionism to fascism.

(The conservatives that I have been in contact with think in a uniform manner. You have live in a different area than I do.)

Why is it hypocrisy? Just because Republicans at one time allowed homosexual marriage doesn't mean that Republicans of this time agree with it. Just because some judges were put in allowing abortion doesn't mean that the party supports it.

(Thats the same logic as saying "I get drunk every day but I'm not an alcoholic.)

You want hypocrisy come up north to Canada. The Liberals are campaigning on the "hidden agenda" of the Conservatives. The Liberal PM is condemning a new court decision allowing private insurance and is always speaking against privatization of health care. Meanwhile he currently uses private health care for himself. The Liberals have been caught in scandal after scandal in the last 12 years.

(I dont live in canada im worried about the united states because thats is where I live. Its the same principle as not realy being worried about mars. I dont live there.)

Some conservatives are probably hypocrites. But then again there's many liberals who rail against poverty but live in opulence without giving any of their obscene amounts of wealth to the poor. Hypocrites exist everywhere. He did weed and got drunk as a teen. Sinece then he has repented of his ways and became a Christian and a family man.

As well not all conservatives are Christians.

(I live in the south. You are forgetting that every preacher we have down here used to do drugs and drink. Now that they have gotten older and live out their lives, they are pastors and have a wife, kids, house hold pet, and vote republican. I have never met a man who was conservative and not a christian.)

A party with a female black as Secretary of State. Who replaced Colin Powell another minority. Also that Mexican (whose name I can't remember) who many condemned due to his comments on the Geneva Convention is pretty highly placed. Did Clinton have a black Secretary of State?

As for thinking, the "left" also shows many lapses in rational thought, as evidenced by this over-generalized, poorly spelled, ad homenin (spelling?) post.

I don't know any Republicans be they athiest, Buddhist, or Christian, I live in Canada.

(Well seeing as how you live in canada I realy dont think that your opion about american politics is that important to be honest. Clinton had a midget in his cabinet and by saying that mexican you have proved what I have typed in the post. Democrats dont care about the sex, color, or sexual preference of a person. If they are good at their job and their a good person than thats "that")

Clinton didn't institute universal health care either. The Democrats aren't working all that hard at it are they?

(No he did not. He never claimed he was going to. The Democrats used health care as a major issue in the last campaign. How much more could they push for it.)

Crime rises and falls. Policies take time to get in place. The current crime rate rise may be due to residual effects from Clinton. Or it might just be the fact that the crime rate tends to rise and fall at random, because it's a human actions, which aren't always predictable.

(Crime does rise and fall, you are correct about that. But saying that the crime rate right now is clintons fault it a big stretch. Bush have been president for 5 years now. The reason the crime rate is up in the U.S. is because he is not paying enough attention to domestic affairs and he cut police force funding drastically)

The Patriot Act blows, but the Liberals in Canada instituted similar anti-terrorism legislation after 9/11, proving that it's not just conservatives who do this stuff.

(I agree the Patriot Act does "blow", but it could be fixed with a few changes. I dont live in canada once again. What canada's gov. does is not of my concern.)

As for assault weapons that might be a good thing.

(When your getting shot at by one you make sure to tell me that. The only people who need access to fully automatic weapons are F.B.I., C.I.A, N.S.A, and of course armed services. Each of these organizations is trained extensively to use fire arms, even police. Civilians have no need to have fully automatic weapons. The 2nd amendment says the right to keep and bear arms, I dont think an AK-47 to go hunting with is what they had in mind.)


It won't be won in a day but it may be one over time, and elections in Iraq are a decent step toward this.

Spelling very bad here sorry!
(Let me educate you about something. The sunnies and shitites are fighting a religous war that has been going on for over 1000 years. The sunnies believe that the leader of the muslims should be elected by muslims similar to president or prime minister for your case. The shitites believe that every muslim should have their blood line traced back to the profit muhammad and who ever has a few more drops is their leader. This may not sound like a big deal, but a war has been going on for over 1000 years for these beliefs. An election will not stop it and it has not. There is no winning Iraq. The United States can no more do that than they can eliminate crime.)

If I remember correctly, Lincoln, a Republican, won the Civil War for the North. Then after his assasination his successors screwed the



WW1 was not fully won and the "victory" actually was the direct cause of WW2. They were pretty much the same war with a long truce in-between. (Read The German Wars by Goodspeed). The Cuban Missile Crisis was not a war, but a stand-off, which ended well as much out of luck as anything (read Essence of Decision by Allison).

(World War 1 was a victory, wilson carved up germany good after the war ended. If germany was not defeated I dont think they would have allowed that. WW2 was strated because hitler was crazy. Read his book if you want to know why he started the war.)

Vietnam was fought through multiple presidencies, and the Democrat presidents didn't win the war either. Nixon ended the war but Johnson started it and failed to end it. While Kennedy didn't have any success in winning Vietnam.

(Nixon was corrupt as far as Johnson goes I believe he had something to do with JFK's death. Vietnam was not something that the united states could win. Your missing what im tring to say. You should only enter a war if you have to. In other words if your country is attackted. Then if you are attacked go full force and destroy your enemy.)

Desert Storm was won very easily and very well. How you get that it was lost is beyond me.

(Desert Storm stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. Clinton would not have won if the war was not lost.)

Less generalizations, more accurate historical accounts, and less unsubstantiated attacks would have greatly increased the quality of this post.

(Thats your opion.)

I agree.


The war wasn't lost the election was. Wars and elections are different.

(Actually they are very closely tied together. There has never been a president in the history of the united states of america who has lost an election in war time.)

Actually the US does have the power to kill every terrorist in the world. It's called a nuclear holocaust. It's just the cost is much more than the benefit. You should worry about internal terrorists, but not at the expense of ignoring foriegn ones. Just because the US can't completely eradicate terrorism doesn't mean that they can't try to stop some of the terrorists.

(Now your scaring me, thats more evil than Hitler.)

What exactly is conservative about George W Bush or, for that matter, the current Republican Party?

This whole topic is a giant strawman.

If your looking up the defintion of the word conservative you probably are confused, because it means resistant to change or clinging to tradition. Conservative politically means something else. For example the defintion of the word liberal is broad minded.

Well, this is a crap thread.


Wrong. Reagan was elected in 1980. Abortion (or rather, privacy) was recognised as a constitutional right in 1973.

Got your dates wrong buddy and you missed the point. The point of that was that democrats did not make abortion legal, and this is something thats realy going to blow your mind abortions have been done since the dawn of time.

Are you or have you ever been conservative? Then what gives you the right or clairevoyance to write a treatise on what their ideology is, or did some professor feed it to you?

This is what really gets my goat about fellow Democrats- they are presumptuous and rude. We will never convince anyone to listen to us if we go on with personal attacks...

Remember, no flaming on the forum applies to other conversations as well.

"If you look for the bad in mankind hoping to find it, you surely will". --Abraham Lincoln

I have actually been conservative, when I was a child. You are forgetting im in the south all of my professors are actually conservative. I think for myself. I also doubt that you are a democrat, but if you are or are not thats cool.

I do believe we won desert storm and Bush wasnt elected again because he promised no new taxes and couldnt deliver.

I do not think you are correct, because Bush sr.'s approval rating dropped drastically after desert storm. Politicans on both sides promise a lot in a campaign to get elected, your lucky if 5% of it they actually do.

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1. (Crime does rise and fall, you are correct about that. But saying that the crime rate right now is clintons fault it a big stretch. Bush have been president for 5 years now. The reason the crime rate is up in the U.S. is because he is not paying enough attention to domestic affairs and he cut police force funding drastically)

2.
(When your getting shot at by one you make sure to tell me that. The only people who need access to fully automatic weapons are F.B.I., C.I.A, N.S.A, and of course armed services. Each of these organizations is trained extensively to use fire arms, even police. Civilians have no need to have fully automatic weapons. The 2nd amendment says the right to keep and bear arms, I dont think an AK-47 to go hunting with is what they had in mind.)

3 (World War 1 was a victory, wilson carved up germany good after the war ended. If germany was not defeated I dont think they would have allowed that. WW2 was strated because hitler was crazy. Read his book if you want to know why he started the war.)

4. (Desert Storm stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. Clinton would not have won if the war was not lost.)

(Now your scaring me, thats more evil than Hitler.)

1.It started dropping before Clinton, and went down again last year according to the FBI. Do you have a source for the cutting of police funding?

2. The CAWB had nothing to do w/ fully automatic weapons. The availability of semi-autos did not change during that period. Police and Gov't agencies train less than the average American gun owner.

3. Wilson had very little to do w/ the final Versailles Treaty and its repercussions. France & Britain played a bigger part.

4. Speaking of opinions, how was Desert Storm "lost" in your view?

I'm a Alabamian and I voted Republican and I didn't know that I was a racist. Thanks for enlightening me :rolleyes:


P.S. I have 3 African-American friends who are Republican

I doubt you actually live in bama (what part?) as I stated in the thread I have never seen republican in the south who was not a racist, I didnt say they all were. I said I had not run across any who were not racist. Your 3 african american friends who are republicans probably make of 50% of alabamas republican party memebers who are african american.

Naderomics, please stop this. You may be right, you may not, but you're mostly just trolling the board with these generalizations. If you wish to be better than the Republicans, you must love them in spite of their beliefs. :p

I dont wish to be better than anyone, I wish to be me. You are forgetting that I live in the south I get told every day Im going to hell for not being a republican (yes even in church). I was told during the last election that I was going to hell because I voted for Kerry there is not much you could do to piss me off.

I suppose since Naderomics has met only republicans who are racist, it must be true. He has been listening to Howard Dean, I imagine.

I have been to Alabama and met many who are not. By his logic, no republican in Alabama is a racist...

Statistics. :D

Dean is a doctor. Are you? Your logic makes no sense, and its funny you say statistics I have had course in that. Have you?

Got your dates wrong buddy and you missed the point. The point of that was that democrats did not make abortion legal, and this is something thats realy going to blow your mind abortions have been done since the dawn of time.

Actually his dates are correct. Reagan was elected in 1980 and assumed office in 1981. Roe V Wade was decided Jan 22, 1973.

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Now I'm not a fan of the Republicans and their ideology (ie the issues in which they pretty much all agree).
But you really are generalising quite a bit. And it really isn't serving any purpose. You could make threads about topics like abortion and so on and then argue with specific people who have opposing views.
It's much more effective.

Dude not cool. First off the Vietnam war was not a "republican" or "conservative" war, just becasue the president at that time was a republican. Very few conservatives supported the war and it just so happens that congress was controlled by democrats and the president supported the war. That's all.

And we didn't lose the war in Iraq. We have accomplished all but one goal in Iraq. We captured Saddam Hussein, lowered the number of terrorists, captured several major terrorist leaders, and turned Iraq into a democratic country with a constitution. All we have to do is finish rebuilding.

And you have so many other errors its impossible to count them all. Think before you speak.

I've never been cool, im a metal head. Vietnam was a political war a and terrible one at that. Many conservatives supported the war. You forget that democrats are domestic by very nature, we have no desire do anything over seas except spread peace and improve our economy and other countries. The terrorist numbers have not declined this last month we had a record high death toll. We dont even know how many terrorist there are. Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. Guess what there are a lot of bad guys do you intend to go to war with all of them. We wont be done with Iraq come next election, I promise you. Im not trying to be negative, just realistic.

Dean is a doctor. Are you? Your logic makes no sense, and its funny you say statistics I have had course in that. Have you?

An arguement by authority? Shouldn't that mean that since "all" of your professors (Dr.'s or at least MA/B) are conservative, thier opinions are superior to yours?

And you said yourself, that democrats want equal rights. You call repblicans racist which makes you prejudice against conservatives. Not ALL conservatives are racist, some are I admit, some, and some liberals and socialists are also racist. So once again, think before you speak. :headbang:

Oh I do think, thats what makes so many conservatives angry. Im not racist I hate everyone equally. As the old saying goes.

you think you................but you have no idea

instead of you telling me how I think I'm going to explain how I think

1.Religon
Conservatives in the last election used southern baptists to get themselves elected.

what does that mean? "used southern baptists"? are they just some blob we tricked into voting for us?

The conservatives made everyone believe that every democrat, or worse still independent, was a homosexual marrying baby killer.

they ddin't have to; W has passed alot of pro-life legeslature and kerry tried to use abortion as a party plank

Fact the only time in the history of the united states of america that homosexuals have been able to legally marry is under a republican president.

and the only time a nulcear weapon was ever used in the history of mankind was under a democrat - what does the timing of the attept at gay marriage have to do with the republicans?

Fact democrats in the last election did not push for gay marriage just equal rights.

to a Christian conservative they're pretty much the same thing

Fact the supreme court judges elected by Ronald Reagan and one swaped out by George Bush sr. are who determined that abortion was legal, allowed by the constitution.

not following you on that one, maybe your trying to say they upheld the decision but it was made in '72

2.Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil
Conservatives believe that they are above the human race for some reason that I have yet to figure out. They will drink, do drugs, have sex, but just not talk about it. That way if they dont admit it and they dont talk about it its like it never happened. It just doesn't count. Example George Bush jr. has smoked weed, yet he doesnt ever talk about that or admit it. So intern its like it never happened (by the way there is an audio recording of him admiting that). I have been living in a red state for years. What Im saying may not make any sense to a moderate republican a.k.a. a republican who can actually think and read who also just does whats best for the country, but I swear to you it is true.

W was a messed up kid. no one is trying to deny that, but he has changed and his past isn't effecting his job and he has never tried to say that of those things wern't wrong

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth.

so you know a couple racist republicans? we can't conrol what our members think, on the other hand the democratic party uses racism as a party plank

A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian.

and seeing as how this country is about 70% white and Christian why would that supprise you?

This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK.

once again, if about 85% of the population considers themselves to be Christian and this is a democracyt wouldn't it make sense that the government agenda often corresponds to that of Christianity.

How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?

10 - 15, meet new people

4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be.

better in whose eyes?

Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising,

I could easily argue that that has nothing to do with the republican party and far far far more to do with the state of the economy, something we have no control over

fully automatic weapons are legal,

ok, you trying to talk guys to us is like us trying to talk marx to you. fully automatic guns were never illegal, ever. furthermore in the history of the US only one murder has been commited with a licensed automatic weapon since such laws were first introduced in 1934

gas prices are insane,

again, something the party has no control over

The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act.

no, just no

5.Foreign Affairs
Right now the united states is in vietnam 2.

or not, why not try to win a war before we give up

We at war with a group of radical muslims who have been fighting in a religious war for over a millennium.

and what do you think Christians have been doing for the last 2000 years?

This is not a war that is just up and going to be won one day.

we, of all people would know that

Every major successful military campaign has been with a democratic president. World War One Woodrow Wilson, World War Two frankiln D. Roosevelt, and Harry S. Truman*, Cuban missile crisis John F. Kennedy. Desert storm*, vietnam, Iraq* all republican wars, ALL LOST.

World War One - woodrow gets sapped into thinking the Germans would actually be dumb enough to send the zimmerman telegram; goes to war unjustly against Germany and then fails to protect the defeated German people against the verciese treaty inadvertantly setting up WW2
WW2 - roosevelt takes action only when he is forced to, not when it was right, harry truman drops the bombs when he didn't have to (could have demonstraighted our power by blowing up a non-populated area or two - same effect, far fewer casualties)
Cuban missile crissis - A CRISSIS THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!! GROW SOME BALLS JFK!!!

desert storm - how did we loose that
vietnam - like the army stood a chance with JFK and johnson making the first moves
iraq - it ain't over by a long shot

That war was started and missmannageg by Kennedy and Johnson. It was finished by Nixon and Ford! To the great releif of most of the americian people I add.

I do not state'win or lost' but simply point out to you the facts!

The republicians supported both the world wars and there might have been a better outcome to WW1 if Wilson had not been such a complete ass after the peace treaty was signed in 1919!

As I stated earlier I believe Johnson had something to do with JFK's death. Nixon was corrupt, Ford was a good man. I would have hoped the repubican actually supported a war that went well. Wilson carved up Germany because they stared a world war. Wilson was hero, its very brave of you to call him an ass.

Come on, people. The real problem is that people, in general, cannot think for themselves. If you truely believe that you have to belong to a political party and conform to their ideals to be important, then you are far more pathetic than even the lowliest of racist hics, wether you are republican or democrat. That is why I am independant. You need to find out what you truely believe is right, find out what everyone else truely believes is right, and find a place where you are both happy. You can't just force yourself into a pre-fabbed mold and be like everyone else. That's where quite a few of the problems in this world originate in the first place.

"Think for yourself. Question authority" - Tool

Interesting. I like some of what you had to say. You are one of the most intelligent people to reply to the thread.

This is a funny thread. I am an independant conservative. I actually laugh because the Republican party and President Bush have done a lot of centrist or even liberal things to try to bridge the gap and are still labeled as extremely conservative.

I had a roommate that was half-arab and lived both the rich and poor life and he is conservative.

This is great entertainment. I love everyone no matter what you believe in. I don't look down on people because they think differently or come to different conclusions. I don't look at liberals or moderates who are really liberal as a creature to be figured out. They are just people that believe different. I think I'm correct. They think they're correct. That doesn't stop me from hanging out with them.

Food for thought:
I work at a paper mill where some of the chemicals can be used for weapons of mass destruction and they can be used for non weapon uses (paper making). Chemicals like this (dual--weapon and non-weapon--use chemicals) were found in Iraq. You can believe what you want to believe. I won't stop you. That is what is great about America.

Whats funny is saying that you are an independent conservative is the same as me saying im a former alcoholic who does cocain. I could care less about your friend. I have a friend who smokes weed, but whats that got to do with the price of eggs in china? Anything is dangerous if you make it that way, after all president bush nearly died eating a pretzel

Wilson was hero, its very brave of you to call him an ass.

wilson was a moron, who in all creation would fall for the zimmerman telegram? that and the oppression of Germans in American durring WW1 and not standing up for Germany after the war = not cool

I'm very right-wing minded. My girlfriend who is east indian is even more conservative. Last semester I attended a lecture at my college given by Mr. JC Watts... an african american republican. Why is it that the majority of the party being white makes it racist?

I'm glad you admit that your a right-wing man. I could care less about your girlfriend for all you know im gay. I'm in college too I dont see your point there. The fact is 80% of the republican party is white and a christian does that not seem odd?

You just think of Republic as Racists cause of how they deal with certain situation with other countrys or problems in other States. But its not really true. They just have certain beliefs on how to rule the country!

p.s: I went to Alabama and I haven't seen any racist Republicans. :mad:

There you go "rule the country" its governments job to serve the people not rule them. If you want to be ruled go to north vietnam. As far as your visit to alabama did you actually talk to people or just drive through?

I'm glad you admit that your a right-wing man. I could care less about your girlfriend for all you know im gay. I'm in college too I dont see your point there. The fact is 80% of the republican party is white and a christian does that not seem odd?

That's pretty close to the demographic of the United States. Sounds balanced to me.

I find it odd that you admit you care about Weremooselands' girlfriend and Reaumes' friend.

What if Republicans were to "see the light" and begin to think as you do? Eventually wouldn't everyone be thinking the exact same way? Is that what you want? A nation full of people thinking and believing the same thing? What makes America great is the fact that we are all allowed to have different opinions, and the compromise between the holders of those opinions forms our democratic system. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that Republicans aren't "wrong" either. Respect their views because you would demand the same about yours.

I used to be a republican. I dont want anyone to think like me if you had read the thread i said this was my 2 cents.

What I dislike about the current state of the Republican party is that they no longer care about anyone. They just do whatever the upper class tells them too and throw out some shiny Religous mumbo jumbo to keep the Bible Lovers happy. Then they use spin doctoring and diversion of topics to disguise the things that they fail at.
However most of the Bible lovers are getting old, soon they won't have that segment to constantly vote for them.

And the South is still very Racist, I live there also.

Thank you for your support. Stay strong. Live long and prosper.

You do know that Republicans aren't racial bigots, we freed the slaves, ratified the 13th amendment, push for black rights, etc. Look at Strom Thurmond, a democrat who held the longest filibuster for what? he was against the passing of a civil rights bill.

The reason the slaves were freed was to help the north win the war. I am a history buff, the north owned far more slaves. So by your logic both the north and the south are racist, yet the north is several times more racist.

I used to be a republican. I dont want anyone to think like me if you had read the thread i said this was my 2 cents.

So what you're saying is you want everyone to be conservative republicans?

Are you refering to the recording of Bush when he said he'd never answer any questions about drug use because he thought it was wrong and didn't want kids useing his mistakes to justify their own behavior? I seem to recall several news reports about how todays teenagers are very promiscuous because they don't think oral sex is really sex because a former president once said it wasn't.

(Bush would not answer the weed question because he is supposed to be moraly correct thats what he ran under in both elections. I could care less and dont want to know how bill clinton has sex. Nor do I want to know how bush has sex. I just strange like that.)


Now this part is just plain factually inaccurate. There are no warentless searches. The feds still have to get warrents, they just don't have to tell you they searched your place. Also, Homland Security cannot detain anyone without charge because they operate inside the borders and the courts say that anyone arrested inside our borders gets the same rights regardless.

Read the patriot act. Then tell me what the U.S. gov. can and cannot do.

The reason the slaves were freed was to help the north win the war. I am a history buff, the north owned far more slaves. So by your logic both the north and the south are racist, yet the north is several times more racist.

What freed the slaves in the North during the war?

Can you source the number of slaves owned?

By using your previous statements, I have a MA in history, do you?

Oh how I am tempted to make a thread titled out of the epitome of arrogant presumption, "How liberals think" containing only the words "they don't."

God, your so cool. Man you must the stuff.

I'm new and already I've noticed a pattern. If you blindly agree with everyone your okay, but if you give an opinion that the majority dislikes, your a troll. I guess people can't handle it when someone actually has a different point of view.

I'm sure everyone else has pointed this out, but to increase any credibility you might have, edit your original post and take out the racial bigotry paragraph.

Struck a nerve have I?

Struck a nerve have I?

He must have had to wait to long in line for lunch.

Strategic positioning. A highly visible African-American SS, is very good for the Rep. image.


Also, someone stated that Blacks tend to be more conservative.
How? We tend to be more moderate[ bordering on liberal. And we actually listen and think. You can easily sit a Black person down about the issue and discuss it and see them actually taking your points in a thinking about them. It doesn't mean they'll always agree, but most of the time when I point out history and that sanctioning a certian religion would be totally ignoring the whole basis of the country, they usually accept that.

I've found that not-so-educated whites fail to even listen before "deny, deny, deny" happens. But this is my experience. I've just seen enough in the news, chatrooms, and tv to see that tend echoed. :(

I just hate attempts by conservatives to latch on blacks knowing not their thinking on issues...


No.

Your a good man dysis, dont let them tell you differently.

I'm starting to think Naderomics is Spaam in disguise.

Struck a nerve have I?

if by nerve you mean a desire for the truth, then perhaps

I'm starting to think Naderomics is Spaam in disguise.

I'm of the opinion Naderomics is our good buddy Chess Squares. Same inflections, misspellings, and unsupported one-liners against opposing posts. Also an alledged college student in Alabama.

I'm of the opinion Naderomics is our good buddy Chess Squares. Same inflections, misspellings, and unsupported one-liners against opposing posts. Also an alledged college student in Alabama.
I guess I missed Chess Squares. :p

(I've been playing NS for years, but have only been posting on the forums for the last couple months.)

Thanks for your support. Live long and prosper

I hope i do

, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?


Quite a few. In fact, I'll mention for the 39th time, that 35% of atheists polled voted for Bush in 2004. The blacks are still a Democrat bloc, at least 90% of them, but hispanic and Asian voters are shifting Republican. In fact, Asians voted more Republican than whites in California last time around. Interesting, eh? Asians are the second-fastest growing minority..... ;)

The reason the slaves were freed was to help the north win the war. I am a history buff, the north owned far more slaves. So by your logic both the north and the south are racist, yet the north is several times more racist.

Whatever. You know, the USA didn't create slavery and until we did something about it no other nation in the world showed any interest in doing so. Slavery predates racism- for slaves constituted the spoils of war, an economic resource by which empires built large edifices at virtually no cost, a resource nobody cared about. Racism was born out of slavery.

Slavery existed around the world, and I see no historical evidence of anyone outside of Lincoln and his entourage with any interest whatsoever in freeing the slaves. The north could have won without emancipation. Lincoln went to war to preserve the union, but he did right by freeing them. Being a buff and being an expert are two different things. Depends on your source material and who you are inclined to believe.

I have lived in the south and the north. Believe you me there is more infighting and bigotry among the peoples of the south, or do you claim the north is more racist because you've never been elsewhere?

Whatever. You know, the USA didn't create slavery and until we did something about it no other nation in the world showed any interest in doing so. Slavery predates racism- for slaves constituted the spoils of war, an economic resource by which empires built large edifices at virtually no cost, a resource nobody cared about. Racism was born out of slavery.

Are you nuts, or just tremendously ignorant? Slavery was out of vogue since the signing of the Constitution. A condition of the signing of it was that importation of slaves wouldn't be banned until 20 years after the Constitution was ratified. Twenty years later, almost to the day, it was banned and slave owners had to make do with the slaves they owned.

This was the birth of racism, because if people couldn't import new slaves the had incentive to invent a reason to count the children of slaves as slaves themselves. Up until then, the children of slaves had a good chance of becoming free someday.

Britain had decided to ban the slave trade far before the US ever did. Their navy not only refused to allow colonies to trade in slaves, but to allow any country to trade in slaves (at least those slave gallies that they managed to catch. The banning of slavery was partly due to America caving to international pressure. Note we hadn't become an arrogant world power we are now until we trounced the empire of Spain, which had been in decline for many years.

Are you nuts, or just tremendously ignorant? Slavery was out of vogue since the signing of the Constitution. A condition of the signing of it was that importation of slaves wouldn't be banned until 20 years after the Constitution was ratified. Twenty years later, almost to the day, it was banned and slave owners had to make do with the slaves they owned.

This was the birth of racism, because if people couldn't import new slaves the had incentive to invent a reason to count the children of slaves as slaves themselves. Up until then, the children of slaves had a good chance of becoming free someday.

Britain had decided to ban the slave trade far before the US ever did. Their navy not only refused to allow colonies to trade in slaves, but to allow any country to trade in slaves (at least those slave gallies that they managed to catch. The banning of slavery was partly due to America caving to international pressure. Note we hadn't become an arrogant world power we are now until we trounced the empire of Spain, which had been in decline for many years.

I hardly see any merit in flaming me as a lunatic.

So, racism didn't exist until the birth of America? No nation had slaves besides this one? How many slaves became free before the civil war? Just because britain stopped the slave trade doesn't mean slavery ceased.

2.Hear no evil, See no evil, Speak no evil
Conservatives believe that they are above the human race for some reason that I have yet to figure out. They will drink, do drugs, have sex, but just not talk about it. That way if they dont admit it and they dont talk about it its like it never happened. It just doesn't count. Example George Bush jr. has smoked weed, yet he doesnt ever talk about that or admit it. So intern its like it never happened (by the way there is an audio recording of him admiting that). I have been living in a red state for years. What Im saying may not make any sense to a moderate republican a.k.a. a republican who can actually think and read who also just does whats best for the country, but I swear to you it is true.

Funny you should mention intern. After all, if Clinton says she didn't give him a blowjob, then we should ignore the semen stain on that blue dress that matches his DNA.

3.Racial Bigorty
This may sound absurd, yet once again this is true. I live in alabama, this last election my state voted 60% for "W." every republican in my state that I have met is a racist. This may sound like an exaggeration, but Im just telling the truth. A poll recently came about that stated that 80% of the republican party is white and christian. This may not seem right, but once again do something that republicans are soon to outlaw THINK. How many african american republicans do you know? How many athiest or budist republicans do you know?

Quite a few. While I have met a few Republican racists, I've also met an equal number of Democratic racists (my grandparents on my mother's side, for example).

But then again, I'm not white.

4.Domestic Issues
Its not secret that independents and democrats are better at domestic issues. They always have been and probably always will be. Look at our country domestically. We have 11 million childeren in this country without heath care, the crime rate is rising, fully automatic weapons are legal, gas prices are insane, and the list keeps on going. The conservative answer to crime was the patriot act. Which bascially strips any person who is called a terrorist of all constitutional rights. The department of homeland security can detain anyone without a reason for unlimited amount of time, no lawyer, no phone call, no constitutional rights. The government can perform searches upon personal property without a warrant or even so much as probable cause. If you are lucky enough to actually get a trial the government can with hold "secret evidence" in the intrest of national security to use to incarcerate an individual.

Fully automatic weapons continue to be illegal since 1934. Can you show me the law that says they aren't? I suggest you go to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website, and check out how stupid that remark is.
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2000_ref.htm

The crime rate is also falling. See the Department of Justice website. Firearm murders are down about 65 percent compared to the middle of the Clinton administration.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/

Care to lie some more?

5.Foreign Affairs
Right now the united states is in vietnam 2. We at war with a group of radical muslims who have been fighting in a religious war for over a millennium. This is not a war that is just up and going to be won one day. The death toll is rising it has been worse this past month than ever before. Recruiting goals have failed miserably for months. REPUBLICANS CANNOT WIN A WAR. They have never done it. Every major successful military campaign has been with a democratic president. World War One Woodrow Wilson, World War Two frankiln D. Roosevelt, and Harry S. Truman*, Cuban missile crisis John F. Kennedy. Desert storm*, vietnam, Iraq* all republican wars, ALL LOST.

We won Desert Storm, as I recall. I was there. And the President was a Republican. We're also not fighting with a group that has been in a religious war for over a millenium. The death toll is still under 1/8th of that of the Vietnam War, and we effectively control the country with the exception of some parts of the Sunni Triangle. The insurgency, unlike the Viet Cong, has no ability to survive actual offensive operations other than car bombs, and has no ability to overthrow the Iraqi government, which is itself growing stronger militarily by the day.

*Harry S. Truman yes truman did drop the bombs. I for a long time struggled with the idea of truman doing such an act. But the truth of the matter is the Japanese take the bushido code very seriously. The code basically states never give up never surrender. The only way the Japanese would have given up is if they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they could not win. Historians have concluded that if the war had dragged out (truman didnt drop the bomb) more people would have actually died. We would have had to kill every japanese solider before the surrendered.

Are you, a Democrat, suggesting that we nuke Iraq and get this over with to avoid more US casualties?

*Desert Storm many people may argue that this war went "swimmingly well" however, its what stopped George Bush sr. from getting elected again. If Bush sr. had never lost desert storm Clinton would have never gotten elected.
We didn't lose. We stopped because we were following the UN resolutions that authorized the use of force. Liberate Kuwait, then stop. Kuwait was, and is, liberated. And as for losing to Clinton, you've forgotten his slogan, "It's the economy, stupid."

*Iraq I would like to say that I am not attacking out troops. I honestly worry about their saftey thats why I can so much politically about whats going on. I have a friend who is ex-military (Honorably discharged) and my uncle is an ex-marine (Honorably discharged). The fact of the matter is the united states does not have the power to kill every terrorist in the world. If we could that would be great, but lets face reality. The definiton of a terrorist is One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism-(dictionary.com source). We have terrorists right here in the United States lets worry about them.

Oh, we have terrorists right here, but you don't want to investigate them because the Patriot Act is too much.

Are you taking your medication?

[QUOTE=Naderomics][QUOTE=Eriadhin]

Just curious, who did you vote for in the last election?

I voted for John Kerry. I think hes a good guy, and he is doing good things in the senate like john mc cain.

This entire thread is a waste of time. One cannot assume what all of a large group of people think collectively furthermore proving this topic is pointless. You want to know how a conservative thinks, see what they have to actually say, instead of looking at their worst attributes and decisions. I do also believe you forgot to mention how bill clinton had an affair with monica lewinski. Did he come out in public with that and talk about it? If you did drugs would you just walk up to your parents and say "Hey, I just sniffed some cocaine, i just decided to tell you so I could get in trouble! Thanks!" Your #2 point is completely ignorant. NOBODY is perfect, people make mistakes, and if you are a politician and you screw up, you have to cover it up so you don't ruin your career.
Spelling and grammatical errors also subtract from the overall credibility of this heap of rubbish. Congratulations, you just wasted your time and mine.

So by your logic not all of the nazis were bad huh? So by saying I'm looking at their worst attributes and decisions what I have said it true. I know clinton had and affair, and I was angry he did that because I was just strating to like him. But believe it or not I have no desire to know how bill clinton has sex. Nor do I want to know how bush has sex. I wish I had nothing better to do than get on the internet and tell people something is grammatically incorrect.

As i said in another post

*gets up on table and starts dancing*

oh yeah, oh yeah, go conservatism, go conservatism, oh yeah, oh yeah


thatcher was the best.

So by your logic not all of the nazis were bad huh? So by saying I'm looking at their worst attributes and decisions what I have said it true. I know clinton had and affair, and I was angry he did that because I was just strating to like him. But believe it or not I have no desire to know how bill clinton has sex. Nor do I want to know how bush has sex. I wish I had nothing better to do than get on the internet and tell people something is grammatically incorrect.

If you knew more accurate information about current events and recent history, it might be fun to talk to you. But you seem so misinformed.

My daughter's sixth grade class is standing here in my office, and they've read your post aloud.

They had to stop, and laugh, when you said that we lost Desert Storm.

You just repeated yourself. Go back to school and get off this game.

Oh god im scared. Im shaking in my boots. Some stranger over the internet told me to stop playing this game. Im a softmore in college, yeah so have you ever been to college?

Oh god im scared. Im shaking in my boots. Some stranger over the internet told me to stop playing this game. Im a softmore in college, yeah so have you ever been to college?

Yes, I graduated from college in 1983, and after working for a while, and being in the Army for a while, graduated from law school in 1993.

Sophomore? You need to read some more history books.

What freed the slaves in the North during the war?

Can you source the number of slaves owned?

By using your previous statements, I have a MA in history, do you?

Lincoln freed the slaves.
The exact number of slaves owned is not even known.
I doubt your actually have a degree, as I said before I'm a softmore in college.

Lincoln freed the slaves.
The exact number of slaves owned is not even known.
I doubt your actually have a degree, as I said before I'm a softmore in college.

What were the conditions of victory in Desert Storm? To what extent did the UN authorize the use of force?

1.It started dropping before Clinton, and went down again last year according to the FBI. Do you have a source for the cutting of police funding?

2. The CAWB had nothing to do w/ fully automatic weapons. The availability of semi-autos did not change during that period. Police and Gov't agencies train less than the average American gun owner.

3. Wilson had very little to do w/ the final Versailles Treaty and its repercussions. France & Britain played a bigger part.

4. Speaking of opinions, how was Desert Storm "lost" in your view?

1. I would like to know how you got your hands on an F.B.I. report.
2. Fully automatic weapons are leagal, government and police are extensively educated in the use of weapons. If you think you know more about guns than the F.B.I. why dont you test that theory?
3.Wilson was our leader, once we entered the war with the help of our friends we defeated germany.
4. The american people believed it was. How do you think clinton got to be president?

Lincoln freed the slaves.
The exact number of slaves owned is not even known.
I doubt your actually have a degree, as I said before I'm a softmore in college.


What college do you go to?

Oh how I am tempted to make a thread titled out of the epitome of arrogant presumption, "How liberals think" containing only the words "they don't."

Moderators wouldn't allow it even if you didn't add "they don't." Rules are applied very selectively despite the stated intent.

1. I would like to know how you got your hands on an F.B.I. report.
2. Fully automatic weapons are leagal, government and police are extensively educated in the use of weapons. If you think you know more about guns than the F.B.I. why dont you test that theory?


The FBI crime reports are on their website.

Fully automatic weapons are NOT legal - not since 1934. They have an extremely restricted method of sale to collectors.

Additionally, since 1934, not one of these registered fully automatic weapons has been used in the commission of a crime.

And to know that, you would have to see the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, not the FBI.

You need to finish school.

Actually his dates are correct. Reagan was elected in 1980 and assumed office in 1981. Roe V Wade was decided Jan 22, 1973.

Your dates are wrong, and your still missing the point. The point was democrats did not legalize abortion.

An arguement by authority? Shouldn't that mean that since "all" of your professors (Dr.'s or at least MA/B) are conservative, thier opinions are superior to yours?

It means that dean is an educated man. Are you?

If you think you know more about guns than the F.B.I. why dont you test that theory?

I've taught infantrymen, police, civilians, and others how to shoot pistols, rifles, and shotguns.

I most certainly am a better rifle shot than any policeman or FBI person I've ever met.

I've already tested my theory. I'm a much better shot.

The FBI crime reports are on their website.

Fully automatic weapons are NOT legal - not since 1934. They have an extremely restricted method of sale to collectors.

Additionally, since 1934, not one of these registered fully automatic weapons has been used in the commission of a crime.

And to know that, you would have to see the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, not the FBI.

You need to finish school.

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I've taught infantrymen, police, civilians, and others how to shoot pistols, rifles, and shotguns.

I most certainly am a better rifle shot than any policeman or FBI person I've ever met.

I've already tested my theory. I'm a much better shot.

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Conservatives...think?
Somebody once said, "A conservative is a man who just sits and thinks. Mostly sits." :D

But as for the claim that Japan wasn't going to surrender, the President had received telegrams from the Emperor asking for a ceasefire, as recorded in his diary.

Boosting the old postcount, ehh?

Conservatives...think?
Somebody once said, "A conservative is a man who just sits and thinks. Mostly sits." :D

But as for the claim that Japan wasn't going to surrender, the President had received telegrams from the Emperor asking for a ceasefire, as recorded in his diary.

I mostly *do*. Instead of just talking about war, I went.

you think you................but you have no idea

instead of you telling me how I think I'm going to explain how I think



what does that mean? "used southern baptists"? are they just some blob we tricked into voting for us?

(It means exactly what I said it means. How do you think bush got elected. Every southern baptist in this state believes that one day they are going to wake up and abortion clinics will no longer exist and all the gays will be burned at the stake.)

they ddin't have to; W has passed alot of pro-life legeslature and kerry tried to use abortion as a party plank

(W. has not passed a lot of pro-life legeslature the only thing be passed and was passed by BOTH sides was partial birth abortion. W. claims that he can stop abortion. Be realistic. You dont need a clinic to have an abortion.)

and the only time a nulcear weapon was ever used in the history of mankind was under a democrat - what does the timing of the attept at gay marriage have to do with the republicans?

(First off if you had read the entire thread I explained why Truman dropped the bomb. Gays can marry legally.)

to a Christian conservative they're pretty much the same thing

(I have read the bible I still cant find where it says you have to be a republican or you go to hell be default.)

not following you on that one, maybe your trying to say they upheld the decision but it was made in '72

(Wrong.)

W was a messed up kid. no one is trying to deny that, but he has changed and his past isn't effecting his job and he has never tried to say that of those things wern't wrong

(Im 19 years old I have a draft card. How old are you? You just supported one of my points in the thread about republicans not talking about it when they do something wrong.)


so you know a couple racist republicans? we can't conrol what our members think, on the other hand the democratic party uses racism as a party plank

(Democrats speak the truth if that bothers you too bad. We believe that your sex, race, age, or sexual preference has nothing to do with government.)

and seeing as how this country is about 70% white and Christian why would that supprise you?

(I would like to know where you get that number from. Because it is not right.)

once again, if about 85% of the population considers themselves to be Christian and this is a democracyt wouldn't it make sense that the government agenda often corresponds to that of Christianity.

(Government has no place with anything that has to do with an individuals person life. If you want government in your personal life move to vietnam.)

10 - 15, meet new people

(I meet new people everyday.)

better in whose eyes?

(The american people.)

I could easily argue that that has nothing to do with the republican party and far far far more to do with the state of the economy, something we have no control over

(So its just by chance that every time we have a democratic president the economy goes up. That must look realy bad for you guys. Because every time we have a republican president the economy goes bad and we go to war with a country we have never heard of.)

ok, you trying to talk guys to us is like us trying to talk marx to you. fully automatic guns were never illegal, ever. furthermore in the history of the US only one murder has been commited with a licensed automatic weapon since such laws were first introduced in 1934

(They are legal right now. Face facts.

again, something the party has no control over

(Your party simply chooses not to care.)

no, just no

(Yes, just yes)

or not, why not try to win a war before we give up

(There is no winning to it.)

and what do you think Christians have been doing for the last 2000 years?

(I believe in spirituality not religon. You missed the point of what I was saying.)

we, of all people would know that



World War One - woodrow gets sapped into thinking the Germans would actually be dumb enough to send the zimmerman telegram; goes to war unjustly against Germany and then fails to protect the defeated German people against the verciese treaty inadvertantly setting up WW2
WW2 - roosevelt takes action only when he is forced to, not when it was right, harry truman drops the bombs when he didn't have to (could have demonstraighted our power by blowing up a non-populated area or two - same effect, far fewer casualties)
Cuban missile crissis - A CRISSIS THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!!!!!!!! GROW SOME BALLS JFK!!!

desert storm - how did we loose that
vietnam - like the army stood a chance with JFK and johnson making the first moves
iraq - it ain't over by a long shot

World War one we went to war because germany kept sinking boats with british and american civilians on it. We went to war because germany killed civilians and our allies needed help. If we had not gone into the war you would be speaking german right now.
World War 2 F.D.R. was trying to tell the people about the war in europe. But if you knew history you would know that the american people called it Eurpoe's war. Once we were attacked the people believe F.D.R. I have already explained why Truman dropped the bomb, read the bottom of the thread.

Got your dates wrong buddy and you missed the point. The point of that was that democrats did not make abortion legal, and this is something thats realy going to blow your mind abortions have been done since the dawn of time.
My dates are right but I may have missed the point. I am pro-choice, by the way.

If we had not gone into the war you would be speaking german right now.

You know, it's posts like this that give the rest of us Americans a bad name.

wilson was a moron, who in all creation would fall for the zimmerman telegram? that and the oppression of Germans in American durring WW1 and not standing up for Germany after the war = not cool

We went to war because the germans kept sinking boats with american and british civilians on it. Our allies needed help to defeat germany. What wilson did was carve up their country to punish them for starting a world war. The carving up of germany did not hurt the civilians. It was meant to take power away from germany's government, because if anyone starts a war unjustly they are not responsible with their power.

Saddam Hussein was a bad guy. Guess what there are a lot of bad guys do you intend to go to war with all of them.

We wont be done with Iraq come next election, I promise you. Im not trying to be negative, just realistic.
So because there are a lot of bad guys, it's not acceptable to go to war against any of them?

I hope the US is still in Iraq by next election.

So what you're saying is you want everyone to be conservative republicans?

If everyone thought like me I would not have anyone to argue with.

So because there are a lot of bad guys, it's not acceptable to go to war against any of them?

I hope the US is still in Iraq by next election.

I hope that Nadernomics is not indicative of the state of American education.

The level of ignorance is much higher than I had imagined possible in someone who was admitted to college.

I'm new and already I've noticed a pattern. If you blindly agree with everyone your okay, but if you give an opinion that the majority dislikes, your a troll. I guess people can't handle it when someone actually has a different point of view.

Thanks man.

I'm new and already I've noticed a pattern. If you blindly agree with everyone your okay, but if you give an opinion that the majority dislikes, your a troll. I guess people can't handle it when someone actually has a different point of view.

No, if you post a large number of false assertions that are based on a warped, distorted, and in most cases, outright false version of history, and then you say that all conservatives are that way, that's trolling.

If he hadn't made gross generalizations, or had some actual facts, it would have been different. I especially liked the "The US Lost Desert Storm". :rolleyes:

I'm of the opinion Naderomics is our good buddy Chess Squares. Same inflections, misspellings, and unsupported one-liners against opposing posts. Also an alledged college student in Alabama.

God I wish I had nothing better to do than to get on the internet and tell someone they misspelled something. You must be so cool. When I drop down to your level I want to be just like you.

God I wish I had nothing better to do than to get on the internet and tell someone they misspelled something. You must be so cool. When I drop down to your level I want to be just like you.

God I wish I had nothing better to do than to get on the Internet and make illogical generalization based on a completely erroneous view of history. You must be so cool. ;)

I'm starting to think Naderomics is Spaam in disguise.

Im starting to think that im me.

Whatever. You know, the USA didn't create slavery and until we did something about it no other nation in the world showed any interest in doing so. Slavery predates racism- for slaves constituted the spoils of war, an economic resource by which empires built large edifices at virtually no cost, a resource nobody cared about. Racism was born out of slavery.

Slavery existed around the world, and I see no historical evidence of anyone outside of Lincoln and his entourage with any interest whatsoever in freeing the slaves. The north could have won without emancipation. Lincoln went to war to preserve the union, but he did right by freeing them. Being a buff and being an expert are two different things. Depends on your source material and who you are inclined to believe.

I have lived in the south and the north. Believe you me there is more infighting and bigotry among the peoples of the south, or do you claim the north is more racist because you've never been elsewhere?

You missed the point. The freeing of the slaves helped the north win the war. Yes it was the right thing to do. I doubt you are an expert. I never said the north was more racist, I said by your logic they were.

Im starting to think that im me.

The best part is that Naderomics is deliberately ignoring anyone who posts his errors.

Quite a few. In fact, I'll mention for the 39th time, that 35% of atheists polled voted for Bush in 2004. The blacks are still a Democrat bloc, at least 90% of them, but hispanic and Asian voters are shifting Republican. In fact, Asians voted more Republican than whites in California last time around. Interesting, eh? Asians are the second-fastest growing minority..... ;)

I will believe that when pigs fly. He got the hispanic vote because republicans often push for the push for family vaules. The asian part I do not believe.

I will believe that when pigs fly. He got the hispanic vote because republicans often push for the push for family vaules. The asian part I do not believe.

Most of the Asians in Herndon, Virginia voted Republican. Go figure.

Funny you should mention intern. After all, if Clinton says she didn't give him a blowjob, then we should ignore the semen stain on that blue dress that matches his DNA.

(What clinton does in his personal time is none of my concern.)

Quite a few. While I have met a few Republican racists, I've also met an equal number of Democratic racists (my grandparents on my mother's side, for example).

(I have never met a democrat that was a racist it would defeat the purpose of there being in the democratic party in the first place.)

But then again, I'm not white.


Fully automatic weapons continue to be illegal since 1934. Can you show me the law that says they aren't? I suggest you go to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms website, and check out how stupid that remark is.
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2000_ref.htm

The crime rate is also falling. See the Department of Justice website. Firearm murders are down about 65 percent compared to the middle of the Clinton administration.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/

Care to lie some more?

(They are legal. The crime rate is rising due to a lack of police. I get told everyday in the south I'm going to hell because I voted for Kerry. There is not much you could do to piss me off.)

We won Desert Storm, as I recall. I was there. And the President was a Republican. We're also not fighting with a group that has been in a religious war for over a millenium. The death toll is still under 1/8th of that of the Vietnam War, and we effectively control the country with the exception of some parts of the Sunni Triangle. The insurgency, unlike the Viet Cong, has no ability to survive actual offensive operations other than car bombs, and has no ability to overthrow the Iraqi government, which is itself growing stronger militarily by the day.

(We lost desert storm. Why do you think clinton got elected. The death toll is rising in Iraq. We are in the middle of a religous war. The Iraq government is not what the radical muslims are fighting for. If Iraq is acutally growing stronger militarily why do people keep on dying?)


Are you, a Democrat, suggesting that we nuke Iraq and get this over with to avoid more US casualties?

(No. We had no reason to enter a religous war. What was the point of it. We entered a war because bush believed that they had W.M.D.s they did not. He also said they and ties to bin laden. They did not. There was alot of oil over there bush wanted to get. Too bad for bush sadam burned most of it.)

We didn't lose. We stopped because we were following the UN resolutions that authorized the use of force. Liberate Kuwait, then stop. Kuwait was, and is, liberated. And as for losing to Clinton, you've forgotten his slogan, "It's the economy, stupid."

(Too bad bush's daddy lost the election the second time around. Cry.

Oh, we have terrorists right here, but you don't want to investigate them because the Patriot Act is too much.

(Even with an act that takes away all of our constitutional rights you cant have order. Thats just sad.)

Are you taking your medication?

(You have missed the whole point as to why I am right and you are wrong. MY COCK IS HUGE. If you want to drop down to that level go right ahead. I can talk like that too.)

(You have missed the whole point as to why I am right and you are wrong. MY COCK IS HUGE. If you want to drop down to that level go right ahead. I can talk like that too.)

The crime rate is not rising.

Are you saying that the Department of Justice is wrong?

What should we trust - your assertions that the crime rate is rising, based on no evidence other than you say so, or should we believe published statistics that it has been dropping since Bush was in office?

As i said in another post

*gets up on table and starts dancing*

oh yeah, oh yeah, go conservatism, go conservatism, oh yeah, oh yeah


thatcher was the best.

"Well mabye I'm the faggot America I'm not a part of a redneck agenda Now everybody do the propaganda And sing along in the age of paranoia"-Greenday

If you knew more accurate information about current events and recent history, it might be fun to talk to you. But you seem so misinformed.

My daughter's sixth grade class is standing here in my office, and they've read your post aloud.

They had to stop, and laugh, when you said that we lost Desert Storm.

Too bad you brain washed your kids. We lost desert storm. Thats why bush was not re elected. If you want to drop down to that level fine. I can too. By the way are you sure thats your daughter? ;)

Yes, I graduated from college in 1983, and after working for a while, and being in the Army for a while, graduated from law school in 1993.

Sophomore? You need to read some more history books.

A conservative lawyer. Man I thought the republicans hated all of you. I have read more books than you can count.

What were the conditions of victory in Desert Storm? To what extent did the UN authorize the use of force?

The united states has never listed to the UN when it comes to war. If you want to know the truth we never should. If you realy have to go to war you go in full force and kill all of your enemy.

A conservative lawyer. Man I thought the republicans hated all of you. I have read more books than you can count.

No, they don't. Many lawyers are Republicans.

I'm also Asian. Most of my associates in Herndon are Asians. We're all Republicans. So are most of the Hispanics in town (the town is heavily Hispanic).

And, if you read your history book, you'll note that Desert Storm was a victory - the victory condition is the satisfaction of the UN Resolution that authorized the use of force - the mandate was to liberate Kuwait - nothing else.

Are you saying that Kuwait wasn't liberated? Answer the question.

God, this guy is annoying...

The united states has never listed to the UN when it comes to war. If you want to know the truth we never should. If you realy have to go to war you go in full force and kill all of your enemy.

We have a habit of listening. The first President Bush did quite well at listening to the UN.

And now it sounds like you want to massacre people overseas again. Well said for someone who never served in the military.

The FBI crime reports are on their website.

Fully automatic weapons are NOT legal - not since 1934. They have an extremely restricted method of sale to collectors.

Additionally, since 1934, not one of these registered fully automatic weapons has been used in the commission of a crime.

And to know that, you would have to see the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, not the FBI.

You need to finish school.

Once again you have your "facts" wrong old man. Bush made sure fully automatic weapons were legal. He did so to get the NRA's votes and it worked. Gangs use fully automatic weapons all the time. If you cant see that then you are blind. Whispering legs hmmmmm that brings an interesting mental picture to mind. :)

Once again you have your "facts" wrong old man. Bush made sure fully automatic weapons were legal. He did so to get the NRA's votes and it worked. Gangs use fully automatic weapons all the time. If you cant see that then you are blind. Whispering legs hmmmmm that brings an interesting mental picture to mind. :)

Fully automatic weapons are not legal. Are you saying the BATF website is wrong? That the published laws are wrong?

Gangs have fully automatic weapons about 2 percent of the time - and they are not registered in the NFA program. They are illegally smuggled in along with the drugs.

I don't have my facts wrong. I've backed mine up with links to official information and laws. While you have only made baseless assertions.

God, this guy is annoying...

Yes. Sometimes, I'll see someone extremely right wing come on and troll, and I feel like I'm being tarred with the same brush.

Then someone really ignorant like this comes along, and restores my faith in humanity.

In every group, there are always a few trolls. Makes it hard for the rest of us to have a logical discussion. :rolleyes:

I've taught infantrymen, police, civilians, and others how to shoot pistols, rifles, and shotguns.

I most certainly am a better rifle shot than any policeman or FBI person I've ever met.

I've already tested my theory. I'm a much better shot.

You think having guns makes you a big strong man? I dont even like guns and I can shoot pretty well. Whats your point there. I every seriously doubt that a republican lawyer can out shoot an F.B.I. agent. By the way do you even know what a theory is?

You think having guns makes you a big strong man? I dont even like guns and I can shoot pretty well. Whats your point there. I every seriously doubt that a republican lawyer can out shoot an F.B.I. agent. By the way do you even know what a theory is?

I'll make a bet with you.

I'll give you a rifle with five rounds in it. I'll stand at 200 yards. You can take as many shots as you like while I stand there.

I get a rifle with one shot. You can run all you like.

You get to go first.

I've outshot the entire Maryland State Police SWAT team. On a regular basis. I've taught FBI agents to shoot.

More than a lawyer I am.

But put your body where your mouth is.

So because there are a lot of bad guys, it's not acceptable to go to war against any of them?

I hope the US is still in Iraq by next election.

You have once again missed the point. Since there are a lot of bad guys in the world you only go to war with ones who actually attack you or your allies. If you want to war to drag on till the next election, then more americans will die. If you want more americans to die then your just as bad as the enemy.

You know, it's posts like this that give the rest of us Americans a bad name.

You know the RNC said that democrats are not realy americans. So by your party standards I am not an american. If you dont think that germany wanted to take over the world in both of the world wars your crazy.

You know the RNC said that democrats are not realy americans. So by your party standards I am not an american. If you dont think that germany wanted to take over the world in both of the world wars your crazy.

No, it's the part about "america rescuing the world from the germans".

Try that line on most of the Europeans here (and some of the Americans) and they'll tell you to your face that you've got it wrong.

Maybe you really need that history class. Or are you telling me that all those men fell at Kharkov for no particular reason?

God I wish I had nothing better to do than to get on the Internet and make illogical generalization based on a completely erroneous view of history. You must be so cool. ;)

Well I have struck a nerve with someone. I was trying to have a debate with conservatives. It was not long before yall gave up and started calling me names. You should study history, but I must warn you. You might cry when you get done and find out you have been living a lie.

I hope that Nadernomics is not indicative of the state of American education.

The level of ignorance is much higher than I had imagined possible in someone who was admitted to college.

Okay again another one of you was beat out like roast beef in this debate, so you turn to name calling. Okay I can do it too. MY COCK IS HUGE THAT IS WHY I AM RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Well I have struck a nerve with someone. I was trying to have a debate with conservatives. It was not long before yall gave up and started calling me names. You should study history, but I must warn you. You might cry when you get done and find out you have been living a lie.

If you read back in the thread, this post is a parody of the namecalling that you posted FIRST.

You also have not posted any links to any evidence to back up anything you said.

So, in the parlance of this forum, you've been PWNED.

The best part is that Naderomics is deliberately ignoring anyone who posts his errors.

I am here to take and speak my mind and I'm going to do it. Get used to it.

Okay again another one of you was beat out like roast beef in this debate, so you turn to name calling. Okay I can do it too. MY COCK IS HUGE THAT IS WHY I AM RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

I'm not name calling. I'm saying that many, if not all, of your assertions are baseless and unsupported by facts.

You still haven't posted a single link to back up anything you've said.

I've posted direct links to evidence that supports my posts.

That's not name calling.

I am here to take and speak my mind and I'm going to do it. Get used to it.
Even if everything you say is false and you can't find any links to evidence to support your claims.

The crime rate is not rising.

Are you saying that the Department of Justice is wrong?

What should we trust - your assertions that the crime rate is rising, based on no evidence other than you say so, or should we believe published statistics that it has been dropping since Bush was in office?

Why should I trust a group of people who have told me that because I am a democrat that I will go to hell by default?

Why should I trust a group of people who have told me that because I am a democrat that I will go to hell by default?


It's a..... VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY!

Why should I trust a group of people who have told me that because I am a democrat that I will go to hell by default?

Because the statistics were gathered by appointees of Bill Clinton.

Most of the years of those statistics were gathered by people hired during his administration.

There are other studies that back up the same trends. It is an identical trend in most states.

Virginia, for example, has 65 percent less murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

So how is less more?

Yes and I'm sure dirty liberals can fix all those problems with a wave of their collective magic wand. If Liberals were in power, they would be more concerned with legalizing gay marriage, getting more funds for abortion clinics, and completely banning the death penalty. They wouldn't do squat about the crime rate, or child healthcare.

Actually, one of the reasons conservatives voted agianst us was because they didn't want abortion. It's legal, but you guys want to put a stop to that. And gay marriage? Dude, we don't make a huge deal about it. All we say is that nobody should be discriminated against, and everybody should be free.

Oh, and another thing. WE WANT TO FIX THE TAX DEFICIET.

Apparently, most of you think, "deficits don't matter."

No, they don't. Many lawyers are Republicans.

I'm also Asian. Most of my associates in Herndon are Asians. We're all Republicans. So are most of the Hispanics in town (the town is heavily Hispanic).

And, if you read your history book, you'll note that Desert Storm was a victory - the victory condition is the satisfaction of the UN Resolution that authorized the use of force - the mandate was to liberate Kuwait - nothing else.

Are you saying that Kuwait wasn't liberated? Answer the question.

I dont know what history book you have been reading, but the united states also believes that vietnam was not a war. I could care less about your right wing friends. I live in alabama if I want to see a right wing I will just walk outside. Bush got into desert strom because he wanted to kill sadam. Once again if the war went to well ... Why was Bush not elected for a second term?

Well I have struck a nerve with someone. I was trying to have a debate with conservatives. It was not long before yall gave up and started calling me names. You should study history, but I must warn you. You might cry when you get done and find out you have been living a lie.
The reason people are angry with you is that you started claiming that conservatives are racist, that they are all religious bigots, that they consider themselves above others, and other such things. I was annoyed about it, and I'm not even anywhere near conservative. Then, you didn't back up any of your claims.

Some tips on obtaining debate in threads:
1. Don't start a thread saying "All conservatives are hypocrits" or "Conservatives are mostly racist". Start a thread saying something like "I disagree with the cosnervative position on gay marriage, and this is why" or "I don't believe Bush's plan of social security privatization will work, and this is my explanation". Don't attack your opponent's persons, debate against their positions.

2. Back up your claims with evidence and explanations. Don't just throw out one claim after another and refuse to explain it.


Of course, this is all assuming you are actually trying to obtain healthy debate on conservative positions. If you're just trying to anger people, then go away.

We have a habit of listening. The first President Bush did quite well at listening to the UN.

And now it sounds like you want to massacre people overseas again. Well said for someone who never served in the military.

We have never let the UN tell us how to fight a war. If we had the war would have been much worse than it already was. There was never a time when the US was about to enter a war and we said okay UN what can be do to them. We may to listen to them, but we listened to ben ladin too. But I dont think we did what he wanted either.

I dont know what history book you have been reading, but the united states also believes that vietnam was not a war. I could care less about your right wing friends. I live in alabama if I want to see a right wing I will just walk outside. Bush got into desert strom because he wanted to kill sadam. Once again if the war went to well ... Why was Bush not elected for a second term?

So, Saddam invading Kuwait was a Bush plot? You're saying that "Bush got into desert strom because he wanted to kill sadam"?

Wel,, how did it all start? Let's read the history book, shall we?

On the morning of August 2, 1990 the mechanized infantry, armor, and tank units of the Iraqi Republican Guard invaded Kuwait and seized control of that country. The invasion triggered a United States response, Operation DESERT SHIELD, to deter any invasion of Kuwait's oil rich neighbor, Saudi Arabia. On August 7, deployment of U.S. forces began. United Nations Security Council Resolutions 660 and 662 condemned Iraq's invasion and annexation and called for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Iraqi forces. On August 20 President Bush signed National Security Directive 45, "U.S. Policy in Response to the Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait," outlining U.S. objectives - which included the "immediate, complete, and unconditional withdrawal of all Iraqi forces from Kuwait," and the "restoration of Kuwait's legitimate government to replace the puppet regime installed by Iraq."

A U.N. ultimatum, Security Council Resolution 678, followed on November 29, 1990. It stipulated that if Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein did not remove his troops from Kuwait by January 15, 1991 a U.S.-led coalition was authorized to drive them out. Early in the morning of January 17, Baghdad time, the U.S.-led coalition launched air attacks against Iraqi targets. On February 24, coalition ground forces begin their attack. On February 27, Kuwait City was declared liberated, and with allied forces having driven well into Iraq, President Bush and his advisers decided to halt the war. A cease-fire took effect at 8:00 the following morning.

We have never let the UN tell us how to fight a war. If we had the war would have been much worse than it already was. There was never a time when the US was about to enter a war and we said okay UN what can be do to them. We may to listen to them, but we listened to ben ladin too. But I dont think we did what he wanted either.

We listened to the UN during the Korean War, under Resolution 90.

We listened to the UN during Operation Desert Storm, following the UN resolutions to the letter in liberating Kuwait.

Care to offer proof to the contrary? A link?

Once again if the war went to well ... Why was Bush not elected for a second term?

In the immortal words of William Jefferson Clinton, Bush Sr. lost because, "it's the economy, stupid".

After the war was over, all people cared about was the economy.

I'll make a bet with you.

I'll give you a rifle with five rounds in it. I'll stand at 200 yards. You can take as many shots as you like while I stand there.

I get a rifle with one shot. You can run all you like.

You get to go first.

I've outshot the entire Maryland State Police SWAT team. On a regular basis. I've taught FBI agents to shoot.

More than a lawyer I am.

But put your body where your mouth is.

So now your saying your going to kill me. Believe it or not I have nearly died 3 times you cant scare me. Is this what you teach "your" daughter to kill everyone she does not believe is right. You do know that I can turn you into the police for what you just said right? It would turn out to be a 12 year old boy in his basement when the police come in to arrest you for threatening to kill me. You are a nazi, you know that. I know that. If your still upset that you fought in a war and we lost thats your problem.

No, it's the part about "america rescuing the world from the germans".

Try that line on most of the Europeans here (and some of the Americans) and they'll tell you to your face that you've got it wrong.

Maybe you really need that history class. Or are you telling me that all those men fell at Kharkov for no particular reason?

I would watch it if I were you. One phone call to the police and you are in jail. But keep talking it will get you there much faster.

I would watch it if I were you. One phone call to the police and you are in jail. But keep talking it will get you there much faster.
What?
You are trying to get Whispering Legs put in jail?
This jsut gets funnier and funnier!
:D :D :D

So now your saying your going to kill me. Believe it or not I have nearly died 3 times you cant scare me. Is this what you teach "your" daughter to kill everyone she does not believe is right. You do know that I can turn you into the police for what you just said right? It would turn out to be a 12 year old boy in his basement when the police come in to arrest you for threatening to kill me. You are a nazi, you know that. I know that. If your still upset that you fought in a war and we lost thats your problem.

I haven't threatened to kill you.

I've offered you a bet. You went out of your way in an earlier post to say that there's no way I could be a better shot than most people, and I'm asking you to prove it.

Go ahead and call the police now if it makes you feel better.

And how would that make me a nazi? And no, I'm not upset we won the war.

Nice victory parade. Or did you miss the parade?

This just went from annoying to hilarious!

What?
You are trying to get Whispering Legs put in jail?
This jsut gets funnier and funnier!
:D :D :D

It will be real funny when he is in a court room explaining why he thretened to kill someone for thinking differently than him.

What?
You are trying to get Whispering Legs put in jail?
This jsut gets funnier and funnier!
:D :D :D

I can't figure him out. On one hand, he hates Republicans, but on the other hand he posts things like he "wants to just go in and kill all our enemies".

Given his ignorance of history, I doubt he's actually in college.

It will be real funny when he is in a court room explaining why he thretened to kill someone for thinking differently than him.

Good thing I'm a lawyer. It would be hard to interpret my postings as a direct threat.

This just went from annoying to hilarious!

It is amusing.

If you read back in the thread, this post is a parody of the namecalling that you posted FIRST.

You also have not posted any links to any evidence to back up anything you said.

So, in the parlance of this forum, you've been PWNED.

Big words. Thats all you are. You threaten to kill what you do not understand. Your evidence is your gun. "Do you like your guns yeah, guns yeah that kill a man, do you like your guns yeah, guns year that kill a man, F*ck you."-Marilyn Manson.

Good thing I'm a lawyer. It would be hard to interpret my postings as a direct threat.

Im going to smoke I'll turn it into the police and see what I they think. :)

Big words. Thats all you are. You threaten to kill what you do not understand. Your evidence is your gun. "Do you like your guns yeah, guns yeah that kill a man, do you like your guns yeah, guns year that kill a man, F*ck you."-Marilyn Manson.

No, I haven't threatened to kill anyone.

I have placed a bet on your assertion that I am no marksman.

I think I found a website that shows what's going on at your end of things though...

http://pwned.nl

Im going to smoke I'll turn it into the police and see what I they think. :)

And what are you going to smoke?

Big words. Thats all you are. You threaten to kill what you do not understand. Your evidence is your gun. "Do you like your guns yeah, guns yeah that kill a man, do you like your guns yeah, guns year that kill a man, F*ck you."-Marilyn Manson.
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!
You must be doing this intentionally just to piss WL off.

Either way, you're an amusing little troll, ain't ya?

My Cock Is Huge If Fucking Ginormous. I'm Also Shirtless Yeah!!!!!!!!
Whispering Leg's Is Raising My Daughter. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not Just Ginormous But Fucking Ginormous.

My Cock Is Huge If Fucking Ginormous. I'm Also Shirtless Yeah!!!!!!!!
Whispering Leg's Is Raising My Daughter. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, it's not pissing me off. It's rather funny.

I keep thinking that he's about to make a cogent argument, and then he spins off like this.

I can imagine his conversation with the police...

Not Just Ginormous But Fucking Ginormous.

Yes, I remember when I had my first beer....

Big words. Thats all you are. You threaten to kill what you do not understand. Your evidence is your gun. "Do you like your guns yeah, guns yeah that kill a man, do you like your guns yeah, guns year that kill a man, F*ck you."-Marilyn Manson.

Did you forget your pills today? WL offered you the chance to remove a Republican-five rounds is five to one odds, you accuse him of threatening you, and 200 yards is typical sight-in-distance for a hunting rifle.

My experience says that unless you're totally incompetent with a rifle, you should be able to kill the man before he gets his one shot, provided you sight the rifle in before entering the field of competition.

That's on the practical lead-to-steel. I suspect his challenge was in Jest, however-and I think most Juries outside of Chicago or D.C. would read it that way when the assault case comes to court. He didn't threaten you with anything, he offered you a chance to off a Conservative.

Then again, you may be a Stereotypical Left-Liberal, and rely on your fears to make most of your decisions, and your poorly disguised hatreds to define your view of those not in total agreement with you.

So sad...

I motion this thread be stickied as an example for all who venture into the NS General Forums.

My Cock Is Huge If Fucking Ginormous. I'm Also Shirtless Yeah!!!!!!!!
Whispering Leg's Is Raising My Daughter. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[attempting to take the statement seriously in an effort to be funny]

As long as she's not being raised by a shirtless guy whose main source of pride is his Fucking Ginormous Cock, she should be in good hands. Put your shirt on, your pits stink...

[/Attempt to take the statement seriously in an effort to be funny]

I motion this thread be stickied as an example for all who venture into the NS General Forums.

Can I get an amen?

Has anyone streaked through yet and made the requisite "CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT ONE HOMOGENOUS GROUP CONTROLLED BY THE OVERMIND"??

*streaaaaaaakkkkk*

I motion this thread be stickied as an example for all who venture into the NS General Forums.
'Abandon hope, all ye who enter here'

I motion this thread be stickied as an example for all who venture into the NS General Forums.

Now, why would you want to traumatize new viewers that way?? I'd almost think you were trying to protect the poor dears from being fresh meat!
LOL.

Now, why would you want to traumatize new viewers that way?? I'd almost think you were trying to protect the poor dears from being fresh meat!
LOL.


Sorry, that was my compassionate side coming up from the depths of my subconcious. I'll force it back now.

*Beats subconcious into submission*

Wow. I've been reading this thread and I must say as an Alabamian, moderately conservative Christian, and human being that there is absolutely no freakin' way that y'all are going get that guy to listen(Naderomics), it is his right not to after all and most people, myself included, tend to get defensive after everything they just said was shot down, stomped into the ground, and nuked.

He must be an Iraqi to think we lost the First Iraq war, and no, do not even try to turn that into a racist comment, for the sake of all things good

Naderomics your true colors have shown. I am not offended by your rant. It just explains everything.

Here is how 1 conservative thinks.

1. Religion
The Bible is the Word of God. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Read the Bible and you begin to know God. The more you read the better you know Him.

God's love for all of us (including you Naderomics) is unconditional. God loves you whether you love Him back or not.

Jesus died for all sins of every human that ever had/is/will live. All you have to do to accept this is explained in Romans 10:9, 10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
Basically, confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus died for your sins and was raised again and you will be saved (born-again).

God gave us a free will. He lets us make our own decisions. So who am I to try to make you make a decision. I can only try to persuade, but if you don't choose I won't get mad or shut you out. God doesn't.

Foreign Affairs
The "Greatest Generation" had it right. Go after your enemy with all you have and don't hold back. WWII would have been lost if we had all the mainstream reporting as we have today. My parents generation who went through the Vietnam war and the free love era and some seem to want to hang on to that. I know this seems generalization. My parents are not like this, but the SOME seem to be this way. Everything is compared to Vietnam. Vietman is what defines themselves (for some). I would like to inform these people that feel this way that this is not Vietnam. Vietnam is over. Not every war is Vietnam. Just like not every war is WWII, WWI, War of 1812, Civil War, The XYZ Affair, Revolutionary War, or any other conflict that America has been apart of.
I would have the "Trust but verify approach"(Ronald Reagan). If they break our trust then we must take action. How can this be you ask? You are a born-again Christian? The Bible says in Romans 13, " Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God:, the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth, the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake."
If you read the Old Testament, it shows that God uses war to correct and enact judgement on whole nations, but any nation that goes too far is subject to God's judgement.
War is something that goes on in the natural world. It mirrors a spiritual war. Wars on earth are just a physical manifestation of what is going on in the spirit.

Money.
"My God shall supply all your needs according to His riches in glory." This Bible passage says it all. The government is not my source.

The government is not my source in life, God is. Government is not my god.

That is all for now. Have a great day Naderomics! :)

As much rubbish as I think the first post contains, I find it rather hypocritical when people then start judging all democrats or left-wingers by this standard and start slagging them off in retaliation.

Other than that, hilarious thread :D

As much rubbish as I think the first post contains, I find it rather hypocritical when people then start judging all democrats or left-wingers by this standard and start slagging them off in retaliation.

Other than that, hilarious thread :D


I didn't think anyone was. We all know this guy is eather retarded, a troll, or just plain stupid. He isnt a real liberal.

Example:

Are you or have you ever been conservative? Then what gives you the right or clairevoyance to write a treatise on what their ideology is, or did some professor feed it to you?

This is what really gets my goat about fellow Democrats- they are presumptuous and rude. We will never convince anyone to listen to us if we go on with personal attacks...

To criticise someone for generalising about conservatives and then insult and generalise about democrats seems hypocritical to me.

As much rubbish as I think the first post contains, I find it rather hypocritical when people then start judging all democrats or left-wingers by this standard and start slagging them off in retaliation.

Other than that, hilarious thread :D

No, he's not left, Democrat, or any other political persuasion. But he is funny.

That was post 13 btw.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9062119&postcount=13

That was post 13 btw.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9062119&postcount=13


Note that the person in question stated that he was a democrat. It's ok for someone in a group to make generalizations about the same group.

We went to war because the germans kept sinking boats with american and british civilians on it. Our allies needed help to defeat germany. What wilson did was carve up their country to punish them for starting a world war. The carving up of germany did not hurt the civilians. It was meant to take power away from germany's government, because if anyone starts a war unjustly they are not responsible with their power.

All right, that does it. Fucking stop right there!

"the germans kept sinking boats..."
Name a few. Germany declared it a war zone, warned everyone that they could be fired at and had a militarily justifiable reason for doing so.
If you are referring to the whole Lusitania business, go check up on Churchill and his involvement in that incident (as well as the stuff the Lusitania was carrying)

"...starting a world war..."
See, liberals can be just as dumb as conservatives. Read it up. Germany DID NOT start WWI. That assumption is what caused WWII eventually. Austria did. Serbia did. Russia did. Germany was dragged into it just like France and Britain were.

"...the carving up of Germany did not hurt civilians..."
I reckon there still is such a thing as "national dignity", apart from the fact that the peace treaty did hurt civilians. Quite a lot actually. Emotionally, money-wise and food-wise.

Not EVERY Conservative. I'm hardly religious, I suck up for what I've done(even though I've never done drugs and don't plan on it), and I'm not racist(far from it). This sounds oddly like a troll..

I'm going to take a stab at this.

Ladies and gentlemen (and everyone in-between and outside), Let me introduce you to a NS'er formerly known as Chess Squares. He was(is) a college student in Alabama that constanly spewed out diatribes against conservatives, southerners in general, Alabama specifically, and an endless series against GWB.

He spent months prior to the elections accusing Bush of everything and anything you can think of, from being stupid to anally raping underage,dead animals.

Come election day, however, Chessie bragged (yes bragged) that he didn't vote because he didn't want to wait in line and he was hungry. He felt it wasn't worth it in that Alabama was a solid "Red" state anyway.

After this he became a laughingstock on the forum w/ even the hard-core Democrats reminding him of his lack of dedication. He was eventually deeted for threatening another NS'er.

Naderomics is Chess Squares. His posts match Chess's almost to the misspelled letter. They're a little more trollish than in days past, but it's clearly him.

All right, that does it. Fucking stop right there!

"the germans kept sinking boats..."
Name a few. Germany declared it a war zone, warned everyone that they could be fired at and had a militarily justifiable reason for doing so.
If you are referring to the whole Lusitania business, go check up on Churchill and his involvement in that incident (as well as the stuff the Lusitania was carrying)

"...starting a world war..."
See, liberals can be just as dumb as conservatives. Read it up. Germany DID NOT start WWI. That assumption is what caused WWII eventually. Austria did. Serbia did. Russia did. Germany was dragged into it just like France and Britain were.

"...the carving up of Germany did not hurt civilians..."
I reckon there still is such a thing as "national dignity", apart from the fact that the peace treaty did hurt civilians. Quite a lot actually. Emotionally, money-wise and food-wise.

Actually the same people who caused WW1 were the same ones who caused all the problems in the Bosnian war. The Serbia Black Hand group!


Germany just got blamed because they were the largest country that lost. The orginal treaty of surrender left basicly everything alone. It was the last one that the French and English forced them to sign that laid the blame on Germany.

The real reason the United States entered World War 1 was due to a message intercepted proposing an Alliance between Germany and Mexico. Saying that Mexico could have Texas and New Mexico if the US got in on it.

I doubt you actually live in bama (what part?) as I stated in the thread I have never seen republican in the south who was not a racist, I didnt say they all were. I said I had not run across any who were not racist. Your 3 african american friends who are republicans probably make of 50% of alabamas republican party memebers who are african american.


If you really want to believe I'm not Alabamian, then go ahead and trace my IP, hon. You'll see that I live in Birmingham. Now that that's taken care of...having read this entire thread, it's obvious you are joking so kudos to you for the entertainment :D

Lincoln freed the slaves.
The exact number of slaves owned is not even known.
I doubt your actually have a degree, as I said before I'm a softmore in college.

How?

Exact, no. Good estimates, yes. How can you state the North had more if it "wasn't known"?

That's nice. Your English capabilities makes me doubt you're a sophmore in High School.

I'm going to be a "softmore" in the fall semester :D

1. I would like to know how you got your hands on an F.B.I. report.
2. Fully automatic weapons are leagal, government and police are extensively educated in the use of weapons. If you think you know more about guns than the F.B.I. why dont you test that theory?
3.Wilson was our leader, once we entered the war with the help of our friends we defeated germany.
4. The american people believed it was. How do you think clinton got to be president?

1. www.fbi.gov

2. Sure they're legal, W/ a Federal Class III dealers license.

3. And he still had little to do w/ the final Versailles Treaty.

4. Your source on this? There is this little thing called an election, if you're who I think you are, you know very little about voting.

Your dates are wrong, and your still missing the point. The point was democrats did not legalize abortion.

Can you provide alternate dates? When was Reagen elected? When was Roe V Wade decided?

I said nothing about abortions.

This country sucks ass; two parties, one evil lesser than the other and going nowhere. At least in Europe, maybe except for Britain, there are not as many assholes.

God I wish I had nothing better to do than to get on the internet and tell someone they misspelled something. You must be so cool. When I drop down to your level I want to be just like you.

You just apparently have nothing better to do than to misspell something.

Do I have permission to laugh at this thread? I find it highly amusing. Naderomics should be a stand up comedian.

And WL, I don't know if I should pity you for his constant and simple-minded attacks against you or laugh alongside you. Perhaps I should pity him instead?

<=Official Command=>Romanore demands more amusement! More, I say!

-snip-
Thank you very much indeed.

I'm going to take a stab at this.

Ladies and gentlemen (and everyone in-between and outside), Let me introduce you to a NS'er formerly known as Chess Squares. He was(is) a college student in Alabama that constanly spewed out diatribes against conservatives, southerners in general, Alabama specifically, and an endless series against GWB.

He spent months prior to the elections accusing Bush of everything and anything you can think of, from being stupid to anally raping underage,dead animals.

Come election day, however, Chessie bragged (yes bragged) that he didn't vote because he didn't want to wait in line and he was hungry. He felt it wasn't worth it in that Alabama was a solid "Red" state anyway.

After this he became a laughingstock on the forum w/ even the hard-core Democrats reminding him of his lack of dedication. He was eventually deeted for threatening another NS'er.

Naderomics is Chess Squares. His posts match Chess's almost to the misspelled letter. They're a little more trollish than in days past, but it's clearly him.

Well, then, Chess Squares (or Naderomics) just got...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/grizwald87/owned-injection.jpg

2. Sure they're legal, W/ a Federal Class III dealers license.

Or an NFA tax stamp. But he's thinking that the expiration of the assault weapons ban means that "fully automatic" weapons are now all over the place.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The assault weapons ban had nothing to do with fully automatic weapons, nor did it reduce the firepower of any street gangs.

The reason the slaves were freed was to help the north win the war. I am a history buff, the north owned far more slaves. So by your logic both the north and the south are racist, yet the north is several times more racist.

I'm sorry! I find this funny.

I'm a Political Science and History Major. The North didn't own more slaves than the South dude. The North basically had eliminated Slavery due to technology whereas the South used slaves to tend the cotten fields.

I suggest you get your facts straight.

The North owning more slaves than the South. That's rich! LMFAO!!!!!!

*is also a republican and definitely NOT a racist*

If you knew more accurate information about current events and recent history, it might be fun to talk to you. But you seem so misinformed.

My daughter's sixth grade class is standing here in my office, and they've read your post aloud.

They had to stop, and laugh, when you said that we lost Desert Storm.

Now THATS embarrassing.

Oh god im scared. Im shaking in my boots. Some stranger over the internet told me to stop playing this game. Im a softmore in college, yeah so have you ever been to college?

Ohhh!

I'm a senior so I'm superior to you since I have more education than you do! BTW: What's your major?

Lincoln freed the slaves.
The exact number of slaves owned is not even known.
I doubt your actually have a degree, as I said before I'm a softmore in college.

Someone here needs to go back to highschool apparently because he sure isn't talking like a SOPHMORE in college.

Your dates are wrong, and your still missing the point. The point was democrats did not legalize abortion.

I sure hope you ain't a history major. I'm surprised your a sophmore with your incorrect information.

Abortion became legal in 1973 (look it up) and Reagan became president in 1980 and was sworn in in 1981. :rolleyes:

You know, it's posts like this that give the rest of us Americans a bad name.

Agreed. We would be speaking Japanese and not German! :p

Corneliu, he's not here right now. Let him up for air.

He'll be back later.

Too bad you brain washed your kids. We lost desert storm. Thats why bush was not re elected. If you want to drop down to that level fine. I can too. By the way are you sure thats your daughter? ;)

How the hell did we lose Desert Storm? Dude, my father was over in Desert Storm. We won Desert Storm. How did we lose it?

A conservative lawyer. Man I thought the republicans hated all of you. I have read more books than you can count.

I have read more books than you and they deal with History and Politics. :rolleyes:

I dont know what history book you have been reading, but the united states also believes that vietnam was not a war. I could care less about your right wing friends. I live in alabama if I want to see a right wing I will just walk outside. Bush got into desert strom because he wanted to kill sadam. Once again if the war went to well ... Why was Bush not elected for a second term?

Healthcare and that Clinton was more Charismatic than GHWB and the economy (which began to RISE late in his term)

We have never let the UN tell us how to fight a war.

Thank God because the UN screws everything up when they DO get involved with something.

If we had the war would have been much worse than it already was.

First correct thing you've said in this whole thread.

Corneliu, he's not here right now. Let him up for air.

He'll be back later.

Going to have to now because I have no new material at the moment :p

Bump for people to laugh at