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Moral "Right"/"Wrong" and/or "Good"/"Evil"

Zotona
13-06-2005, 21:54
Once again, I have a philosophical thread with numbered questions. Yay, me!

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

(I will answer these questions myself a little later.)
Syniks
13-06-2005, 21:58
Once again, I have a philosophical thread with numbered questions. Yay, me!

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

(I will answer these questions myself a little later.)
IMO "Morality" (i.e "right & wrong") are abstractions that are derived from the application of dotrine/dogma to Ethics. (see Harm Theory)
UpwardThrust
13-06-2005, 21:58
Once again, I have a philosophical thread with numbered questions. Yay, me!

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

(I will answer these questions myself a little later.)
(1) I feel as if I am consistent with my morals
(2) no I do not believe there is a moral right
(3)No I do not believe there are absolutes
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"? We are what we are … not sure we as a whole fit in any of them
(6) Can morals exist without religion? Absolutely (pun intended)
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? I might … depends on if they were harming others
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? Same as above
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"? Not sure lol
Heron-Marked Warriors
13-06-2005, 22:04
1) yes
2)no
3)no
4)33%
5)evil (i.e. elitist, selfish, xenophobic, prejudiced)
6)yes, but they don't form without religion
7)society corrects them, wrong being decided by the society
8)not unless they wronged me, my friends or loved ones.
9)same as above
10)100% right
Jibea
13-06-2005, 22:06
Humans are naturally evil. Morals are figments of the imagination. Etiquette is pathetic. Humans should act naturally, without the part of killing eachother.
Melkor Unchained
13-06-2005, 22:09
Must...resist...long...debate....

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right? I try to know things as opposed to feel them.
(2) Are any or all morals absolute? If 'Absolute' in this context implies a removal of context and a consistent application of these morals without any consideration to the circumstance, then no. If 'Absolute' means 'Objective,' then yes.
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute? See above.
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good) 100% correct.
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"? Depends on the values by which you are judging the concepts.
(6) Can morals exist without religion? Of course.
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"? I'm not certain I understand what this question entails.
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? Depends on the situation. If it has no direct consequence to me, I see no responsibility on my part to meddle on his behalf, but I may choose to do it anyway.
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? Isn't this the same question?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"? One hundred percent.
Kryozerkia
13-06-2005, 22:10
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?

Nope. ^_^

(2) Are any or all morals absolute?

They are all relative.

(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?

Nope. It can fluctuate.

(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)

I don't, so I can't place myself.

(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?

Humans are just humans.

(6) Can morals exist without religion?

Hell yes!

(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?

Nada.


(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?

Nothing; none of my business.

(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?

Uh...I'm evil, what's your point?

(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

This is opinion, so there is no right and wrong.
Zotona
13-06-2005, 22:16
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
If there is a moral right than I am probably slightly morally right most of the time. :D
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
Nothing is abolutely universally considered to be morally right or wrong, but I do think some actions ARE absolutely inherently right or wrong, good or evil.
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
In some cases, yes. In most, no.
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
If "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" exist, I think I'm about 60% "right"/"good".
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
If there is such a thing as "good" or "evil", I think humans are generally somewhere between neutral and evil.
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
Most definitely, yes.
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
If "right" and "wrong" exist, I believe that whatever higher powers exist, if there are any, will assign negative life experiences to those in the "wrong", and if there is an afterlife, those in the "wrong" will serve their afterlife, if allowed the priveledge, in misery.
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
This depends on the situation. If it were someone I love, I might mention it and then leave them alone. If it were someone I didn't know very well or care for very much, I'd probably not say anything at all.
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?

I would most definitely do something about it. I would keep them away from anyone I loved and/or cared about and, if nessecary, kill them in order to protect others.
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?
I am not all sure that my answers are "right", but I think it is extremely likely they are somehow "wrong".
Zotona
13-06-2005, 22:21
Must...resist...long...debate....

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right? I try to know things as opposed to feel them.
(2) Are any or all morals absolute? If 'Absolute' in this context implies a removal of context and a consistent application of these morals without any consideration to the circumstance, then no. If 'Absolute' means 'Objective,' then yes.
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute? See above.
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good) 100% correct.
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"? Depends on the values by which you are judging the concepts.
(6) Can morals exist without religion? Of course.
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"? I'm not certain I understand what this question entails.
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? Depends on the situation. If it has no direct consequence to me, I see no responsibility on my part to meddle on his behalf, but I may choose to do it anyway.
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? Isn't this the same question?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"? One hundred percent.
No, it's not nessecarily the same question. Some may believe that the moral "right" and "wrong" are the same as "good" and "evil", but some may believe that they are different. Personally, I believe that "good" and "evil" are extreme terms for moral "right" and "wrong".
Mentholyptus
13-06-2005, 22:24
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

1) I think morals are relative, but I would say that I frequently act in a manner that does not harm others or myself.

2) No morals are absolute, but they are necessary to keep society intact. Thus, a general sense of morals likely evolved in the course of human interaction/evolution.

3) Right/wrong can't be absolute, but some things will (as a general rule) probably be absolutely ingrained in humanity for the forseeable future (i.e. "it is bad to kill others when not acting in self-defense"), just on the basis of their utility to human survival.

4) I don't believe in such a moral scale.

5) Humans as a whole are, like other social animals, driven to perpetuate their societies and species. Hence, most of their actions will be beneficial to most other people.

6) Of course.

7) I don't believe in right or wrong, but if someone is acting in a manner that harms others, they are usually either cast out of the societal unit or reformed.

8) If they were causing significant harm to others or themselves, I would attempt to stop it. If not, then its none of my business.

9) See above.

10) I think my answers have a pretty decent grounding in reality.
Swimmingpool
13-06-2005, 22:34
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?
(1) Yes.
(2) Some morals are absolute. I believe in the Declaration of Human Rights (1948) which is an absolutist position.
(3) There can be acts which are absolutely evil. However, I don't think that any person is absolutely evil.
(4) Me = 79%
(5) Most people are good.
(6) Yes, morality is certainly seperable from religion. In fact, I think that it is healthier without it. People should be do the right thing because it's right, not because they're afraid of punishment from their God.
(7) Well, they're in the wrong. As for what happens; well it depends what they're wrong about.
(8) Yes, I would. Of course, it depends on how consequential their wrongness was, and thus whether it is their business, not mine.
(9) Now we're really getting into black and white worldviews. :rolleyes:
I don't think I've ever known anyone I've felt to be evil.
(10) 79% Confident.
Downtown Motown
13-06-2005, 22:37
Once again, I have a philosophical thread with numbered questions. Yay, me!

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

(I will answer these questions myself a little later.)
1)Yes, although I am also often wrong.
2) The only moral absolute is the santity of human life. This extends to human dignity as well.
3) Not on Earth.
4) 86%
5) Humans are inherently good, but also inherently tempted.
6) Without organized religion, yes. But what is religion if not the idea that there's a moral absolute?
7) They stay people.
8) If it directly affected me, I'd tell them so, and why I thought it was wrong. Otherwise I'd probably just try to set an example unobtrusively.
9) Nobody is evil. Just wrong or misguided.
10) Very.
Neo-Anarchists
13-06-2005, 22:43
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
I'm more on the moral left, really... [/bad_joke]
Swimmingpool
13-06-2005, 22:43
Humans are naturally evil. Morals are figments of the imagination. Etiquette is pathetic. Humans should act naturally, without the part of killing eachother.
Why? It wouldn't be because killing is wrong, would it? ;)
Tatlia
13-06-2005, 22:50
moral is just a way for the goverments/majority to step on the small man.

also good and evil are two terms that dosnt fit with human nature. no creature can be entirely evil or entirely good
Bitchkitten
13-06-2005, 23:02
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
Of course. If I believed I was in the moral wrong I would change my thoughts/actions.

(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
I'm not sure anything can be considered wrong with no exceptions. But there are things that are in a general sense considred wrong almost universally. Killing is wrong-except when...

(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
No

(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
I would put myself about 85%, 90% on a good day, right/good.

(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
Mostly neutral, maybe pushing towards the good side.

(6) Can morals exist without religion?
Absolutely. I believe religion was invented to teach and enforce moral behavior, but some of us don't need that help.

(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
Hopefully they realizethey are being a dumbass/asshole/twit and amend their behavior. Or they get caught and get their just desserts.

(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
If it were something minor, I would just give them my opinion that it was the wrong course of action. If it was something major, do everything in my power to stop them.

(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
I would try my best to avoid them and advise others to do the same. Unless I could prove they had done something evil, then I'd inform whoever (the law, my brother) could give them the ass whooping they deserved.

(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?
I'm fairly (95%) confident my answers are right. If I thought they were wrong, I'd rethink them.




Ooh, looky, my three-thousandth post. :D
Yupaenu
13-06-2005, 23:47
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right? fairly often, more moraly right than wronge, but not always
(2) Are any or all morals absolute? all morals are absolute, since things do not change by opinion. if two people are staring at a log, from opposite angles, and one side is painted blue and the other red, they see a log painted opposite colours, but than log is still there, and it is exactly the same nomatter how much those people argue over which colour it is, so there is universal morals.
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute? absolute good or right or vise versa? no. they are components of eachother. there is no such thing as good or evil(there is good and bad however, but only in terms of purpose)
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good) 78% right
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"? neutral
(6) Can morals exist without religion? it can only exist without religion
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"? nothing, for nothing exists. unnatural things are generally wronge.
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? i do all the time, they ussually get mad at me.
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what? there is no evil. i use the word anyways cause people take it more seriously than wronge though.
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"? near absolutly positive.
Leonstein
14-06-2005, 01:32
1. I feel right because I believe in my opinions. That doesn't make them morally correct though.
2. No.
3. No.
4. 0% of course! :D
5. Humans are cell colonies that are desperately trying to procreate (some more desperately than others)...no more, no less.
6. I guess, unless you count philosophy as a religion.
7. Ideally he backs off and doesn't do whatever he planned to do. Usually he will try, and I hope he won't succeed.
8. Be cynical and use morals to try and convince him while I don't believe in them myself.
9. Probably join them just for the heck of it. "Leonstein, the super villain!" It's got a ring to it, hey?
10. I believe my answers to be correct.
Reformentia
14-06-2005, 02:05
Once again, I have a philosophical thread with numbered questions. Yay, me!

(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
(6) Can morals exist without religion?
(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?

(I will answer these questions myself a little later.)

1. As I see it, yes.
2. No.
3. Right as in "correct"... yes, depending on the circumstances and what it is we are evaluating the rightness of. Right as in "moral"... no. Good or evil.. no.
4. Yes, and I place myself fairly highly on it. Of course it's my scale so that's probably to be expected.
5. According to my evaluation criteria the tendency would be more towards good... with the alternative being regretably not insignificant.
6. Of course.
7. There tends to be some kind of disagreement.
8. Depends on the situation and degree of severity of my evaluation of how in the wrong they were. Too complex a question to answer in general terms.
9. Take steps to curtail their acting on their tendencies to as great a degree as possible.
10. Highly confident that they are "correct", since most of them are asking what my opinions are and I am the best possible judge of whether I know them or not.
Alien Born
14-06-2005, 02:24
(1) Do you feel you are frequently in the moral right?
Inevitably yes. Morally right actions for me are those that are pleasurable or useful either for me or for others. As I tnd to persue actions that are either pleasurable or useful to me, then I feel that I am morally justified in my actrions.

(2) Are any or all morals absolute?
Absolute - no. Universal to humans - yes.

(3) Do you believe that "right" and "wrong" and/or "good" and "evil" can be absolute?
No

(4) If you believe in a moral scale of "right" and "wrong" and/or "good and "evil" where would you place yourself? (From 0%-100% right/good)
That is an unanswerable question. Moral evaluation is always reflexive, in that my opinion of my moral standing deponds upon my opnion of what you think of my moral standing as it is your opinion that matters, not mine. I think that I am moral, in that it seems to me that others around me think that I am. However I can not place this in a scale.

(5) Are humans generally more "good", "evil", or "neutral"?
As action derives from passions, and passions are pretty much constant across humanity, then it appears that humans are generaly good.

(6) Can morals exist without religion?
A more difficult question is whether morals can exist with religion, or is that just obedience? This of course means that morals exist without religion, yes.

(7) If you believe in "right" and "wrong", what happens when someone is in the "wrong"?
They suffer or cause suffering, which in itself causes them to suffer (if they know about it)

(8) If you believed someone you knew was morally in the "wrong", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
It would depend on which way they were in the wrong. If they are just causing suffering to disadvantage to themself, then I would simply suggest that they try doing something a little more intelligent. If they were causing suffering to others I would do whatever is in my power to make them stop.

(9) If you believed someone you knew was "evil", would you say or do anything about it? If so, what?
N/A Evil is a religious concept, and as such is a null concept for me.

(10) How confident are you that your answers here are "right" or "wrong"?
I am very confident that they are right for me. I am equally confident that others will disagree.