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Al Franken cathces Bill O' Reilly using manipulation of interview video to blatantly lie to the American public. Very interesting...

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2671823?htv=12&htv=12

This isn't just an isolated incident just on The Factor, this it happens all the time on FOX News' other programs also. It shows FOX overtly lying to the public and exposes them for what they really are: manipulative liars. Careful editing of interviews is merely one small brick in the wall of FOX's arsenal of tactics they use to manipulate the public.

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com

Al Franken cathces Bill O' Reilly using manipulation of interview video to blatantly lie to the American public. Very interesting...

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2671823?htv=12&htv=12

This isn't just an isolated incident just on The Factor, this it happens all the time on FOX News' other programs also. It shows FOX overtly lying to the public and exposes them for what they really are: manipulative liars. Careful editing of interviews is merely one small brick in the wall of FOX's arsenal of tactics they use to manipulate the public.

They've done this on CBS 60 minutes since the show's inception.

Are you trying to say that no other news organization does this?

I've seen it on France 2. I've seen interview manipulation on the BBC.

Oh, and the whole Bowling for Columbine movie is nothing but this sort of manipulation.

Try again.

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com
While I dont agree with him I think the mods might frown on the flamage

While I dont agree with him I think the mods might frown on the flamage

What I think is funny is that Achtung believes that this is something new, and something peculiar to Fox News.

It's a peculiarity of journalism that existed before he was born.

Al Franken is so hilarious. I'm glad that he and O'Rielly have this fued because it makes for much laughter.

Then there are the neo-cons who love the "They did it so we can too" argument

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com
wow, thank you for the free flaming! :)

Al Franken is so hilarious. I'm glad that he and O'Rielly have this fued because it makes for much laughter.

Then there are the neo-cons who love the "They did it so we can too" argument

I think it would be more fun if you tied their left hands together and threw them into a dark room with a knife somewhere on the floor.

More interesting than watch them.

They both look like the kind of guy you used to kick in the butt in the hallway in high school. Just to send their books flying and watch them whine.

Who's Bill O'Reilly? And what's in the vidio (my Pc's half way through a major upgrade so no video yet...)?.

What I think is funny is that Achtung believes that this is something new, and something peculiar to Fox News.

It's a peculiarity of journalism that existed before he was born.
I happen to agree but still ... the flamage might draw some mod wrath

O'Reilly does that sort of thing all the time. I wouldn't do it myself, but it's not a terrible thing. Dan Rather did it plenty of times.

LOL, yeah, nice selective editing there.

The American free press, LMAO.

What I think is funny is that Achtung believes that this is something new, and something peculiar to Fox News.

It's a peculiarity of journalism that existed before he was born.

I like how when I win all the conservatives start attacking me personally. I guess they just can't walk away in humble defeat, huh?

LOL, yeah, nice selective editing there.

The American free press, LMAO.

Tradition!

He completely cut out what the man said about the commission, and then proposed it himself as his own idea.

Bill O'Reilly isn't just a liar - he's a plagiarising thief!

I think it would be more fun if you tied their left hands together and threw them into a dark room with a knife somewhere on the floor.

More interesting than watch them.

They both look like the kind of guy you used to kick in the butt in the hallway in high school. Just to send their books flying and watch them whine.


of course because you are insanely sadistic. I just like to laugh at the back and forth.

also, I was never the type to trip someone or beat them up because I didn't like how they looked, but if that is your thing then I'm sorry for you.

I like how when I win all the conservatives start attacking me personally. I guess they just can't walk away in humble defeat, huh?
That would not be debate … nor have you hands down won there is ALWAYS room for argument

You wish for your opponent to roll over but this is a debate forum … you should expect that, debate.

I like how when I win all the conservatives start attacking me personally. I guess they just can't walk away in humble defeat, huh?

What defeat? That Bill is acting like most of the "journalists" of his time?

Need we revisit the various news media scandals of recent times?

Or shall we go all the way back to William Randolph Hearst, who was doing yellow journalism long before you were born?

I personally cant believe that someone would even accuse a journalist of manipulating something to serve his own purposes. its terrible.
Next they'll tell me a used car salesmen would stretch the truth to close a sale.

I personally cant believe that someone would even accuse a journalist of manipulating something to serve his own purposes. its terrible.
Next they'll tell me a used car salesmen would stretch the truth to close a sale.
Lol exactly (I just hope no one is so slow as to not catch the searing sarcasm)

They've done this on CBS 60 minutes since the show's inception.

Are you trying to say that no other news organization does this?

I've seen it on France 2. I've seen interview manipulation on the BBC.

Oh, and the whole Bowling for Columbine movie is nothing but this sort of manipulation.

Try again.

Sometimes I'm irritated when BBC interviewers insist on forcing an interview down a particular path. Sometimes I'm irritated when the interviewee tries to do the same but I have never seen anything on the scale of haranging that I see on Fox. Try watching the BBC then the same news story on Fox and the difference is scarey. The US is constantly lied to in the most outragous manner

Lol exactly (I just hope no one is so slow as to not catch the searing sarcasm)
me: I'm shocked! Shocked! To find that journalism is going on here...

upward: your paper, sir...

They've done this on CBS 60 minutes since the show's inception.

Are you trying to say that no other news organization does this?

Are we saying no other news organization takes quotes of a government official explicitly calling for a specific course of action, edits them extensively to remove multiple references to that course of action, and then presents the remaining quotes to the public as calling for something else... and then has THEIR OWN NEWS PERSONALITY tell the public that THEY have a plan for a course of action and then proceed to steal the one the official they were just misquoting was really calling for????

Yes. I for one would say that. Not any major network news organiization at least.

Care to prove me wrong? I'd love a single example from 60 minutes 2 since you say they've been doing this since it's exception. I will not however be holding my breath.

Biden should be suing them for libel... or slander... which is it when it's presented on a television proadcast?

Calling O'Rielly a journalist is stretching it a bit don't you think?

The American free press, LMAO.

The ability of the press to lie makes it free. America's press is one of the worlds most free. Unlike canada that actuelly blocked Fox News for years (it was illeagal to broadcast it, it became leagal just a few months ago) and is currently fining anyone who shows a movie with evidence than canada threw money away into a project that failed.

Calling O'Rielly a journalist is stretching it a bit don't you think?
Let's call Al Franken a "journalist" then. Or an "expert". ;)

me: I'm shocked! Shocked! To find that journalism is going on here...

upward: your paper, sir...
*gives you a confused inosent puppy dog look* :p

I call Franken a comedian. You can call him or O'Rielly whatever you like.

Care to prove me wrong? I'd love a single example from 60 minutes 2 since you say they've been doing this since it's exception. I will not however be holding my breath.

On the original 60 minutes, Cronkite has said that he's discussed this with Mike Wallace, and it's a staple in nearly every Mike Wallace interview on 60 minutes. This was in an interview on the Diane Rehm show on NPR - Cronkite spent the better part of an hour saying that "yes, everyone at CBS is liberal, and we mean to be".

Mike Wallace's standard tactic: Edit out anything that might make some people sound reasonable. Only leave in the questions and answers that make them look uncomfortable and stiff.

I call Franken a comedian. You can call him or O'Rielly whatever you like.

Many today are under the misperception that they are journalists.


Take that guy Jayson Blair, for instance...

Don't know him

On the original 60 minutes, Cronkite has said that he's discussed this with Mike Wallace, and it's a staple in nearly every Mike Wallace interview on 60 minutes. This was in an interview on the Diane Rehm show on NPR - Cronkite spent the better part of an hour saying that "yes, everyone at CBS is liberal, and we mean to be".

Mike Wallace's standard tactic: Edit out anything that might make some people sound reasonable. Only leave in the questions and answers that make them look uncomfortable and stiff.

What part of the request for an example confused you? Show me one case of anything this blatantly deliberately deceptive.

What part of the request for an example confused you? Show me one case of anything this blatantly deliberately deceptive.

As an example, there's an interview with Mike Wallace from an early 60 minutes show in 1978.

He interviews the Director Of Enforcement of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration.

I've seen the unedited version of the interview, which appears to go well. However, the whole thing is edited down to about 20 seconds, and in some cases, edited in such a way as to make it appear as though the Director doesn't want to answer direct questions.

The unedited tape also has a great number of snide remarks by Mike Wallace during the interview that are edited out of the broadcast version.

I'm sorry you don't believe it, but if you believed the crap that CBS has been spewing all these years (anything from Dan's "thousands of American troops will die tomorrow morning in the fire trenches and barbed wire set by the massive Iraqi Army", to "we don't want to call the election - we know that other networks have, but we don't want to be premature") , then you're in far deeper than any example will get you out of.

Like I said, Cronkite said it was standard practice at CBS. He ought to know. And I heard it on NPR.

What part of the request for an example confused you? Show me one case of anything this blatantly deliberately deceptive.

*cough*DanRather*cough*

The shit that Dan Rather tried to pull far outweighs anything O'Reilly has ever done.

I call Franken a comedian. You can call him or O'Rielly whatever you like.

That's pushing it too. Franken's book was rather humorous, but I've heard a lot of words used to describe his comedy, and "funny" is rarely one of them.

As an example, there's an interview with Mike Wallace from an early 60 minutes show in 1978.

He interviews the Director Of Enforcement of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration.

I've seen the unedited version of the interview, which appears to go well. However, the whole thing is edited down to about 20 seconds, and in some cases, edited in such a way as to make it appear as though the Director doesn't want to answer direct questions.

So is the entirety of the offense here not showing the full story? Did Wallace ALSO then plagiarize statements made by the interviewee which he editted out, and then claim them as his own idea?

If not, congratulations. You went back over a quarter of a century and you're still not even in the same league.

*cough*DanRather*cough*

The shit that Dan Rather tried to pull far outweighs anything O'Reilly has ever done.

I assume you're referring to the National Guard story? The one where CBS was given documents it thought were genuine and then laterfound evidence they were not?

Not in the same class as the deliberate act of deception we just saw in the linked video. Sorry.

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com

That's utterly contemptible and frankly beneath you, Eutrusca. I've noticed that somehow Eutrusca manages to behave poorly fairly regularly on NS, and yet never seems to be taken to task over it.

Am I alone in this observation?

That's pushing it too. Franken's book was rather humorous, but I've heard a lot of words used to describe his comedy, and "funny" is rarely one of them.


Of course what we may find funny is a very subjective undertaking. He has done some boring comedy I'll admit but many times he has also made me laugh, once to the point of tears. I can safely call him a comedian in my view. His Lies, And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them - A Fair And Balanced Look At The Right book was pretty hilarious.

That's utterly contemptible and frankly beneath you, Eutrusca. I've noticed that somehow Eutrusca manages to behave poorly fairly regularly on NS, and yet never seems to be taken to task over it.

Am I alone in this observation?


No, I'm totally with you on this one.

That's utterly contemptible and frankly beneath you, Eutrusca. I've noticed that somehow Eutrusca manages to behave poorly fairly regularly on NS, and yet never seems to be taken to task over it.

Am I alone in this observation?

I did once, a while ago. He got a warning.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378377

ha! leave it to ol' trusc

The instances you found are just a tiny fraction of the hate filled crap that spews forth from his fingertips and yet he only gets a warning.

Ah the memories we've shared with trusc. I remember when he first arrived and started a thread about how he was getting tons of hacker attempts since he joined nationstates and blamed it on teh vast left wing conspiracy. *chuckle*

*cough*DanRather*cough*

The shit that Dan Rather tried to pull far outweighs anything O'Reilly has ever done.

"George Bush is the president.... [If] he wants me to line up, just tell me where"
This Dan Rather?

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com
damn, I was disappointed when I clicked that and found that it was not a real website.

That's utterly contemptible and frankly beneath you, Eutrusca. I've noticed that somehow Eutrusca manages to behave poorly fairly regularly on NS, and yet never seems to be taken to task over it.

Am I alone in this observation?
No, you're not alone at all. Eutrusca's posts can be insightful, intelligent and funny, but just as often he is childishly partisan and misleading. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362859)

I call Franken a comedian. You can call him or O'Rielly whatever you like.I call O'Reilly a lot of things.
And Eutrusca, I'm ashamed of you. You know how to behave better than that. Where are your manners? If you disagree with someone, that's not a particuliarly adult way to deal with it.
Whispering Legs, I hate to come off like a school marm, but you were a nasty kid. I would have kicked your ass. I'm glad I behave so nicely in my old age.

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com
In addition to Sdaeriji's link above, I found several other references to trolling and flaming. That's quite enough, Eutrusca. Your high post count and irritation at someone else's opinion does not grant you license to flame. Take some time off from the forums.

Eutrusca, forumbanned three days for flaming.

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No, you're not alone at all. Eutrusca's posts can be insightful, intelligent and funny, but just as often he is childishly partisan and misleading. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=362859)


actually - it was because of that thread, which I just mentioned above, that I thought that trusc was just yer average 12 year old troll. I guess I got the age wrong.

[QUOTE=Frisbeeteria]Eutrusca, forumbanned three days for flaming.
[QUOTE]

Wow.

And I didn't even mention it in Moderation.

I'm still amazed.

Wow.

I have a question: Who cares?

Bill O'Reilly is a loud-mouthed putz. He doesn't represent conservatives. He doesn't even represent independents (which is what he calls himself). He represents Bill O'Reilly.

Also, you have the same ammount of putz-sheep on the right following O'Reilly as you have putz-sheep on the left following Michael Moore. Big fricken' deal. They're all putzes.

Michael Moore doesn't purport to be a news broadcaster on a major news network. Just thought I'd chime in on that one.

Michael Moore doesn't purport to be a news broadcaster on a major news network. Just thought I'd chime in on that one.

Fox News is a news network? Could have fooled me.

Michael Moore doesn't purport to be a news broadcaster on a major news network. Just thought I'd chime in on that one.
I hate to do this (because I can't stand O'Reilly), but when did he ever call himself a "news broadcaster"? He's a talking head/pundit/whatever. He does a talk show, much like Larry King. Do you think Larry King is a serious newscaster? :rolleyes:

I hate to do this (because I can't stand O'Reilly), but when did he ever call himself a "news broadcaster"? He's a talking head/pundit/whatever. He does a talk show, much like Larry King. Do you think Larry King is a serious newscaster? :rolleyes:

http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/billbio.jsp

For some thirty years Bill has been a working journalist: a writer, news producer and reporter, anchor, and show host. His numerous awards include two Emmy Awards for Excellence In Reporting and two National headliner Awards for his news reporting for the ABC network. O'Reilly was also honored by The National Academy of Arts and Sciences for his reporting and analysis on and after September 11th, 2001.


As a self-anointed 'journalist' donchathink he should have some integrity with his reporting?

Franken could tell you a few things about the awards he says he won, too. I thouroughly enjoyed his 'Liars' audiobook.

http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/billbio.jsp



As a self-anointed 'journalist' donchathink he should have some integrity with his reporting?

Franken could tell you a few things about the awards he says he won, too. I thouroughly enjoyed his 'Liars' audiobook.
That COULD be taken in context of him stating past positions not nessisarily his current show

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com

Wow, I'm shocked, I expected better from you Eutrusca. :(

http://www.billoreilly.com/pg/jsp/general/billbio.jsp


You just know it sucks when every single thing that might provide amusement on a website requires a paid membership.

I was really curious to see the poll archive. I'd love wallowing in the earnest beliefs of Bill's paying "community" for a bit.

That COULD be taken in context of him stating past positions not nessisarily his current show

Perhaps. I was going to assume he still thinks himself as a journalist since he's being doing it for thirty years. The bio (as far as I can tell) didn't note a career change.

EDIT

If we could find an exact Bill quote saying he's a journalist then that would be more absolute.

Perhaps. I was going to assume he still thinks himself as a journalist since he's being doing it for thirty years. The bio (as far as I can tell) didn't note a career change.

EDIT

If we could find an exact Bill quote saying he's a journalist then that would be more absolute.
Don't know about that, but I've heard him say repeatedly that the O'Reilly Factor, "is not a news program. It is a news analysis program."

Well now.

Glad to see the American Reputation is still intact.

O'Reilly got caught and deserves to be flamed. Especially when he basically calls himself a pillar of integrity.

The fact that other news agencies, Moore, or Rather do it; does not justify what Bill did. Call them on it as well.

The press these days is crap. We the people are to blame since sound bite reporting, celebrity reporting, etc., is what people seem to read. :rolleyes:

Eutrusca? Wow?.....

Here's a video of Achtung 45 lying to the public:

http://www.eatshitanddie.com
Usually you express more maturity than this. Tsk.

Let's call Al Franken a "journalist" then. Or an "expert". ;)

Al Franken doesn't pretend to be a journalist. He's a comedian. Sometimes he says "advocate journalist" but always in a context that makes it clear that by "advocate" he means "not really a..."

O'Reily pretends to be a journalist all the time. He pretends to be all sorts of things (moral, working class, possessed of a single scrap of human dignity), but really he's just a sleazy talk show host. The O'Reily Factor is a talk show along the lines of "The Daily Show" except with humor of a much drier and probably unintentional variety and with far less respect for things like facts and actual events.

Like that time I saw him interview Pat Boone about his opinion on the Iraq war and then begin his segment called "Rediculous Item of the Day." He interviews a musical plagarist who's career has been dead for about 50 years and that's not the rediculous item? That was just hilarious. What's next, Cliff Richards and his thoughts on the likelihood of another PM term for Blair?

I don't like Bill O'Reilly. He is, not to put too fine a point on it, common. Indeed, he is only slightly less irritating than Larry King.

Don't know about that, but I've heard him say repeatedly that the O'Reilly Factor, "is not a news program. It is a news analysis program."

What he doesn't tell you is that the term analysis is usually derived from the Greek "Ana" and "lusis" meaning that it cannot be broken down anymore and has been reduced to its most understandable. "Lit. not to be made looser"

In this case analysis comes from the Latin, meaning pulled right from his crooked ass.