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I think the title pretty much speaks for itself

Star Wars.

It's shit.

On a par with Battle Beyond the Stars for plot, quality of dialogue and special effects.

Kingdom of Heaven.

For how much they hyped it here in the US, it sucked a mouthful of centepede balls.

The Shawshank Redemption and/or anything by Robert Redford

Open Water.

Boondock Saints

The Passion

*Puts on flame retardent suit*

Star Wars films, all of them (well not III, haven't seen it)

Though I did like the Lord of the Rings films, I don't think they were as good as good as some made out.

Titanic. I believe that speaks for itself.

I'm sorry, but the correct answer is Titanic.

edit: Beat to the punch.

Definitely the Star Wars series. Some were good, some were horrible, but all were vastly overrated.

The Ring. Oh, that sucked. It wasn't even scary enough to give me, a 12 year old at the time of view, nightmares. Ridiculous.

EDIT: I also HATED The Blair Witch Project. What the hell's the point if you can't see the opposition? And 90% of all the dialouge was swearing. If it were aired on TV, they'd have to bleep out so much of it that there would actually be no point in watching even if you liked the movie in the first place!

I'm sorry, but the correct answer is Titanic.

Titanic. I believe that speaks for itself.

You both beat me. Seriously, why did people say that movie was so good? That was roughly three hour of my life… gone, just like that. And I’ll never get them back. :(

The Second Tomb Raider movie

Any hype was overhype.

The Matrix Revolutions

Titanic. I believe that speaks for itself.I dunno, it has the fact that Leonardo Dicaprio died in it. 'Every cloud has a silver lining' and all that.

The Matrix Revolutions

Well seconded.

I'm probably lucky I've never watched Titanic. Just hearing about it made it sound nauseating, so there was no way I actually wanted to see it.

You both beat me. Seriously, why did people say that movie was so good? That was roughly three hour of my life… gone, just like that. And I’ll never get them back. :(

Y'all beat me.

First thing that came into my head was Titanic.

Alien. All of them. Someone should push Sigourney Weaver down some stairs then set fire to the twisted limbs and leaking viscera that form the shell that was once her body.

The Thin Red Line. I knew Titanic was going to be pish.

Titanic. I believe that speaks for itself.It's only redeeming feature was that that Leonardo Dicaprio dying in it. 'Every cloud has a silver lining' and all that. Yes, it was shit, though.

As was 'Revolutions. Special effects do not a good film make.

kill bill one and two, god damn those movies suck. Come to think of it, tarantino is a bit overrated.

And of course.

[I'm soooo gonna get flamed for this]

Lord of the rings!

Alien. All of them. Someone should push Sigourney Weaver down some stairs then set fire to the twisted limbs and leaking viscera that form the shell that was once her body.

Nah, there are worse films out there.

Although the films where the Aliens aren't made out of old bin-bags were crap.

kill bill one and two, god damn those movies suck. Come to think of it, tarantino is a bit overrated. :eek: :eek: :eek: Lord of the Rings was overrated, but Tarantino? (all hail) Never.

No really, kill bill sucks balls, big time. I hate it because everyone is saying that it's good. But if the directors name would be different everyone would say it's just a cheap B Action Flick

I'm not sure that movies like The Matrix: Revolutions or Titanic can be called overrated...if everyone shits on it, it probably isn't overrated.

I'd say Planet of the Apes (the remake) was overrated. The documentary about how it was made was more interesting than the movie.

I'm sorry, but the correct answer is Titanic.

edit: Beat to the punch.

bwahahahaha. My sister's seen it 22 times. Good gods.

You both beat me. Seriously, why did people say that movie was so good? That was roughly three hour of my life… gone, just like that. And I’ll never get them back. :(

I thought it was four? I've seen it once..and I felt dirty. And as if something precious was stolen from me..violently.

I dunno, it has the fact that Leonardo Dicaprio died in it. 'Every cloud has a silver lining' and all that.

I did cheer that part on.

I'm not sure that movies like The Matrix: Revolutions or Titanic can be called overrated...if everyone shits on it, it probably isn't overrated. True, but a lot of people like Titanic.

Kill Bill was alright, because Tarantino was TRYING for the cheezy, b-movie aspect. I'll agree it could have been better, though.

It's also a shame that Pulp Fiction gets so much credit for being his greatest work. It was only alright. Jackie Brown is a far superior film.

"AK-47. When you absolutely, positively gots to kill every muffucka in the room... Accept no substitutes."

I'm not sure that movies like The Matrix: Revolutions or Titanic can be called overrated...if everyone shits on it, it probably isn't overrated.

I'd say Planet of the Apes (the remake) was overrated. The documentary about how it was made was more interesting than the movie.

But Titanic grossed over $1 billion and won countless awards. That's where the overrated part comes in.

Kingdom of Heaven.

For how much they hyped it here in the US, it sucked a mouthful of centepede balls.
aw i liked Kingdom :(
it wasn't the best movie ever but the morality theme kinda saved it. then again it wasn't hyped that much here in the UK.


and if nobody's said it yet, most overhyped movie has got to be Kill Bill



sooooo much hype from everybody over a boring, over-pretentious, self-gratifying, unnecessarily violent movie with a fantastically linear plot. yes i've seen them (round a friends') and i really do think they are crap movies. i'd think it/they were *crap* even if it wasn't for the hype

I do not exactly know the English name, but in German is was "Meine Braut, ihr Schwiegervater und ich" (could have been something like "My bride, her father-in-law and me", which actually does not really make sense, but whatever) with Robert DeNiro and Ben Stiller(?). I really dont think it was funny at all.

But Titanic grossed over $1 billion and won countless awards. That's where the overrated part comes in.

Ok, maybe not Titanic. And probably not the Matrix:Revolutions either, since that grossed quite a bit...meh.

I do not exactly know the English name, but in German is was "Meine Braut, ihr Schwiegervater und ich" (could have been something like "My bride, her father-in-law and me", which actually does not really make sense, but whatever) with Robert DeNiro and Ben Stiller(?). I really dont think it was funny at all.

Meet the Parents.

Can I say Matrix:Revolutions? I was forced to watch a 10 minute scene of Neo's butt raping that chick.

You both beat me. Seriously, why did people say that movie was so good? That was roughly three hour of my life… gone, just like that. And I’ll never get them back. :(

Why did it win 11 Academy Awards, you mean:

hmmm... where to begin?

1)It made people laugh, cry, feel horror and disgust and anger... it brought all the emotions a great film should.

2)It was, at its root, a great love story.... most people love great love stories. IF you mention Jack and Rose, most people know you're talking about Titanic.

3)It was about a popular historic event.

4)Its special effects were great.

5)The acting was pretty good. I can't imagine anyone else being Jack nor anyone else being Rose.

6)It just had an overall feeling of sheer awe... from the ship to the writing to the whole crash/sink process to the end, when JAck dies (and everyone cries) and she throws away the necklace (when everyone thinks, ""what the HELL... oh yeah, now she's free and done with it) to the very end, when she's probably enjoying her last dream on earth and she's welcomed home by her shipmates and then Jack turns around and everyone in the theater bawls.

7)The background music was tremendously good... not talking about Celine Dion either... the instrumental stuff.

I thought that Titanic was the best film of my generation and deserved all 11 of its Oscars (and so i'm defending it). It had everything in spades.

Taxi driver. Was not impressed.

I really don't like meet the parents, whilst I can tolerate Titanic. I won't watch either out of my own will, however. No no no.

Titanic was hard to watch...I mean you KNOW what is going to happen.

My vote would be for Pearl Harbor. Good special effects and a hot chick where not enough to save it from horrid acting.

:eek: :eek: :eek: Lord of the Rings was overrated
Lord of the Rings maybe isnt sophisticated, but it is a really great film, which definitely is worth watching just because of the soundtrack.
And in lotr tension and relaxation changes in a formidable "rythm".

When we talk about hype, what do we mean? Is it:

1. Lots of anticipation for a movie that ended up being shit.

or

2. A movie which everybody loves even though you know it's shit.

If it's 1. , I'll say Matrix 3.

If it's 2. , I'll say Titanic.

As for most overrated I can think of.

Well, for a film to be overrated, it first has to have been widely critically acclaimed and/or received awards.

So to say a film like Dude, Where's My Car is overrated would not fit.

So here are two acclaimed movies I've seen that I thought were overrated:

1) Lord of the Rings (Part 3) -- This film won 11 Oscars and I was left shaking my head. It was a good film, but it was not a great film, and an 11-Oscar film should be monumentally good/complete like Titanic and Ben Hur were. I could have sworn that Sam was gay until that last scene when he's shown with wife and kids.

2) The English Patient -- HBO channels have been showing this, and I have tried repeatedly to watch the whole thing, but I can't make it all the way through without falling asleep. If a movie is long, it had better have action/suspense, and I don't see much of anything in this film worth keeping me awake. Maybe the people who voted it 1996's (right?) Best Picture enjoy boring films. I thought that LOTR 3 was good -- overrated, but still worthwhile. I have yet to make it through this movie, which is saying a lot.

I'm probably lucky I've never watched Titanic. Just hearing about it made it sound nauseating, so there was no way I actually wanted to see it.

it's probably the most critically acclaimed film of the past 30 years... watch it.

Just because (what i must assume are....) a bunch of kids didn't like it does not mean that you won't. It is a love story first, an action/suspense drama second, and a great film overall. Someone said something like they thought they knew what would happen. Funny, the film wasn't that much about the wreck/sinking itself but about a love story that grew against impossible odds and then survived up to and through the sinking, when one of the protagonists dies. The wreck was merely something that made people freak out with the great special efffects.. it was horrible to see the people falling off the boat.

Great films (imo) make you hate the villain. I hated Cal and Rose's mom.

Gone With the Wind -- most overrated movie of all time.

I second those that would put Titanic up there.

I won't argue with the tasteless heathens that do not appreciate Kill Bill and some other fine works slandered here. :p ;)

2) The English Patient -- HBO channels have been showing this, and I have tried repeatedly to watch the whole thing, but I can't make it all the way through without falling asleep. If a movie is long, it had better have action/suspense, and I don't see much of anything in this film worth keeping me awake. Maybe the people who voted it 1996's (right?) Best Picture enjoy boring films. I thought that LOTR 3 was good -- overrated, but still worthwhile. I have yet to make it through this movie, which is saying a lot.

Very, very true. Very overrated. The first time I watched it I was with 4 people. It was not late at night. 3 of the 4 fell asleep! The last watched the whole thing, but didn't like it.

I've seen it a couple of times since and I believe I have seen the whole thing -- but not in one sitting. Stupid, stupid movie. IMAO.

Just because (what i must assume are....) a bunch of kids.

Why do you assume that?

it's probably the most critically acclaimed film of the past 30 years... watch it.


A pile of dung could win awards for being the heighest pile, or cutest pile, but in the end it's still shit.

Solaris - critics loved it, claiming it was intellectual. Rubbish, it's two hours of absolutely nothing at all.
Shrek - crap.
Spider-man - crap.
Star Wars (all) - mediocre at best, absolutely dogs bollocks shit at worst.
Pirates of the Carribean - decent acting, still overrated.
Armageddon - crap.
Home Alone - holy mother of crap.
Indiana Jones - crap.
The Mummy - ...cr... you know by now.

A pile of dung could win awards for being the heighest pile, or cutest pile, but in the end it's still shit.

in the case of Titanic, i think its incredible popularity confirms its high rating... it had everything, imo.

Why do you assume that?

I assume nothing. I know everything. hehe

in the case of Titanic, i think its incredible popularity confirms its high rating... it had everything, imo.

Yeah it's incredible popularity. :rolleyes: The only ones who it was incredibly popular with were teenage girls who lusted after Leo. Most top 25 film lists don't put it on the list.

i HATED Taxi Driver, i just didn't get it, it made no sense and so many things that happened had nothing to do with anything. i had heard so much good about it but it was TERRIBLE.

most over rated film EVER (IMO)

Ooh, I forgot Forrest Gump. Not as bad as Titanic or Gone With Wind, but it was way overrated.

But Titanic grossed over $1 billion and won countless awards. That's where the overrated part comes in.
most Osar winning movies sux.

IMO Titanic was not bad

Plan 9 from Outer Space is actually somewhat overrated. It isn't "so bad that it's good", it's just plain unwatchable.

LOTR trilogy
Star wars trilogy
Star wars prequels

Solaris - critics loved it, claiming it was intellectual. Rubbish, it's two hours of absolutely nothing at all.
Shrek - crap.
Spider-man - crap.
Star Wars (all) - mediocre at best, absolutely dogs bollocks shit at worst.
Pirates of the Carribean - decent acting, still overrated.
Armageddon - crap.
Home Alone - holy mother of crap.
Indiana Jones - crap.
The Mummy - ...cr... you know by now.In your opinion what are the top 5 movies?

Again, Titanic (man is this a popular movie, bleh)

Also:

The Kill Bill movies (I stopped watching the 1st one in 30 minutes. It was terrible. Won't bother to watch the second)

The Ring

Star Trek: Nemesis (I'm a ST and SW fan, but that was an over rated movie. I still think they shouldn't have killed Data)

Well, Enterprise isn't a movie but a TV show. It's still over rated (eventhough i like to watch it every now and then)

Star Ship Troopers

Lost In Space (the newer one)

Planet of the Apes (again, newer one)

Aliens V Predator, in my opinion it ruined the whole Alien and Predator movies for terrible acting and plot.

The Freddy and Jason movies. I saw Nightmare on Elms(forgot spelling) Street and that wasn't too bad. But after the 2nd movie of both series came out, that was just enough.

There were several others on my list, but I need to think about them.

Yeah it's incredible popularity. :rolleyes: The only ones who it was incredibly popular with were teenage girls who lusted after Leo. Most top 25 film lists don't put it on the list.

how did it win 11 Oscars including Best Picture then? You know that there isn't a single teenage girl who votes with AMPAS...

it's a tear-jerker... great film. i've cried during 3 movies, and that was one of them.

(Gladiator -- at the end when they're carrying him out -- and Forrest Gump, when he's talking to Jenny in her grave, are the other two)

in the case of Titanic, i think its incredible popularity confirms its high rating... it had everything, imo.

And the Backstreet Boys and Nsync were top selling music acts, but combined they had the musical talent of Jimmy Page's pinky finger. How popular something is does not measure how good it is, just how well it can appeal to dumb people.

The Matrix Revolutions

Damn, Thanks for reminding me, The Matrix trilogies.

I must hate a lot of trilogies.

And the Backstreet Boys and Nsync were top selling music acts, but combined they had the musical talent of Jimmy Page's pinky finger. How popular something is does not measure how good it is, just how well it can appeal to dumb people.

oh, i see. so the majority who like it are "dumb" while there is a cultural elite who hate everything that this "dumb" majority likes? is that how it works? and you've taken it into your own hands to decide that the 80+% who like the film are wrong to like it?

hmmm... solid logic there.

Q: Why does Titanic suck?

A: Because it's popular.

Brilliant!

how did it win 11 Oscars including Best Picture then? You know that there isn't a single teenage girl who votes with AMPAS...

it's a tear-jerker... great film. i've cried during 3 movies, and that was one of them.

(Gladiator -- at the end when they're carrying him out -- and Forrest Gump, when he's talking to Jenny in her grave, are the other two)

Wow, I laughed a lot during that film. Forrest Gump was decent at best,

I'll agree with Forrest Gump, who wants to see the life of a semi-mentally retarded man with an annoying accent and a penchant for pointing out the obvious.

I liked Titanic. Almost everything about it was good, in my opinion. I liked the music(minus Celine Dion), I have a CD of the actual music the band played that last night on the Titanic.
Besides, not only preteen girls liked it, I did, as did most of my family, and several other people I know. We even watched it in my 6th grade science class(except the part with the drawing) at the end of the year.

My only real complaint was that there wasn't an intermission...I almost wet myself because I didn't want to leave the theatre to go to the bathroom.

oh, i see. so the majority who like it are "dumb" while there is a cultural elite who hate everything that this "dumb" majority likes? is that how it works? and you've taken it into your own hands to decide that the 80+% who like the film are wrong to like it?

hmmm... solid logic there.

my IQ is 146. i'm pretty fucking smart.

Did you take an internet IQ test?

Anyway the majority is not always right.

Indiana Jones - crap.



Aw come on....
There's always been something exciting about those movies, i mean, their definately not the best, but they have that classic sense of adventure and excitement that leave you satisfied afterwards. And of course....
He's kicking Nazi ass.

One of the most overrated movies, or series of movies i can call to mind i would have to say would be the matrix trilogy, especially revolutions, i didn't much like the first one, and saw the second one hoping it might redeem the first (i don't know why, considering the sequel so rarely meets the standards of the original), and saw the third with a friend and decided it was simply crap wrapped up like a tofee. I don't understand what about it appeals to people, it certainly didn't leave me all smiley afterwards.

Starwars III

Packed to the colon with special effects, whats so special abut them when there's more of these effects than good acting. More this film was more like:

3h of Pointless Effects + special acting (they missed out the acting though) evey piece of dialogue between anikin and padme was on a par with 2 cardboard cutouts disolving in the rain and everything else sucked as well And why is it the most overhyped because its is the LAST starwars EVER they went downhill fron the 1st one.

oh, i see. so the majority who like it are "dumb" while there is a cultural elite who hate everything that this "dumb" majority likes? is that how it works?

my IQ is 146. i'm pretty fucking smart.

You sit here and tell me that the people who dislike Titanic must be kids; don't give me shit about "cultural elite". People who pay to see a movie eight, ten, twenty-five times (and we can all remember the reports about people like that when the movie was in theatres) are idiots, and they are the ones who made up the bulk of the movie's gross.

146 IQ, eh? You're in Mensa, I suppose.

You sit here and tell me that the people who dislike Titanic must be kids; don't give me shit about "cultural elite". People who pay to see a movie eight, ten, twenty-five times (and we can all remember the reports about people like that when the movie was in theatres) are idiots, and they are the ones who made up the bulk of the movie's gross.

146 IQ, eh? You're in Mensa, I suppose.

Movies should only be seen once, unless they are educational, or comedic.s

Q: Why does Titanic suck?

A: Because it's popular.

Brilliant!

Titanic sucked, in my OPINION, because it was a cliched love story. Rich girl and poor boy can't possibly be together, but overcome all odds to be together anyway, and then tragedy strikes and they are seperated. Oh noes! It was funnier when they called it The Princess Bride, and it had a happier ending too.

Did you take an internet IQ test?

Anyway the majority is not always right.

(i deleted that test score out because i was pissed when i posted it... but okay:)

these are the tests i've taken (within the past 5 years.. people can become dumber with age due to the effects of certain chemicals -- hehe -- so i won't include ACT here) and their results:

IQ - 136 and 156 (different tests)
ASVAB - 99th percentile (i was denied OCS because of childhood asthma)
GMAT - 630 (had forgotten a lot of college-level math. lol)
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Who judges what's right and wrong when opinions are involved?

The Lord Of The Rings, The Lord Of The Rings, and The Lord Of The Rings. American Beauty, can't forget that one.

these are the tests i've taken and their results:

IQ - 136 and 156 (different tests)
ASVAB - 99th percentile (i was denied OCS because of childhood asthma)
GMAT - 630 (had forgotten a lot of college-level math. lol)

Who judges what's right and wrong when opinions are involved?

First of all IQ tests are worthless.

Third of all opinions are worthless

Second of all, I do or the fascist leader does. NEVER LISTEN TO THE FOURTH ESTATE

Fourth of all ignore the switching of the third and second positions

Garden State, Scarface, Gladiator - so many of my friends were all "omg its the most amazing movie ever!" and I just wasnt that impressed. maybe i had too high of expectations because they loved it so much...but i just thought all were mediocre movies. not terrible, but overhyped (to me)

(i deleted that test score out because i was pissed when i posted it... but okay:)

these are the tests i've taken (within the past 5 years.. people can become dumber with age due to the effects of certain chemicals -- hehe -- so i won't include ACT here) and their results:

IQ - 136 and 156 (different tests)
ASVAB - 99th percentile (i was denied OCS because of childhood asthma)
GMAT - 630 (had forgotten a lot of college-level math. lol)
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Who judges what's right and wrong when opinions are involved?


As long as its not from the internet.

They said mine was 18something
146
Next it would be 100
then 60
20
-20
-60
Yes they are possible

I'll agree with Forrest Gump, who wants to see the life of a semi-mentally retarded man with an annoying accent and a penchant for pointing out the obvious.



I'm trying to get my life story sold to hollywood.

Shrek 1 & 2- About as funny as watching paint dry on a humid day, and the 37 minutes of Farenheit 911 that I managed to stay awake through.

The best movies are
1. Screwed (ha ha ha when kidnapping goes wrong)
2. Atilla (a good six hour movie showing Atilla as a good guy)

Q: Why does Titanic suck?

A: Because it's popular.

Brilliant!

No, that's why it's overrated. A film would have to be a true masterpiece to live up to that kind of popularity. Personally, I found it rather forgettable. I honestly don't remember much about the movie, other than the ending.

No, that's why it's overrated. A film would have to be a true masterpiece to live up to that kind of popularity. Personally, I found it rather forgettable. I honestly don't remember much about the movie, other than the ending.

I only saw the part were the guy died.

You sit here and tell me that the people who dislike Titanic must be kids; don't give me shit about "cultural elite". People who pay to see a movie eight, ten, twenty-five times (and we can all remember the reports about people like that when the movie was in theatres) are idiots, and they are the ones who made up the bulk of the movie's gross.

146 IQ, eh? You're in Mensa, I suppose.

nope. their noses aren't tilted up enough for me. hehe

i'd never thought about it until now. Oh, well, i hate sounding snooty, which is why i deleted that part of that post. i would not join MENSA. What would be the use? Do they give away free t-shirts to members or something? hehe

seriously, if they have weekly get-togethers with free food/libations, i might be interested.

But even then, one would have to wear little round glasses on the tip of his nose and button-down sweaters and plaid knickers.... which is the type of get-up that amuses me... and that i wouldn't be caught dead in.

In your opinion what are the top 5 movies?

My top five favourite movies are:
1. Schindler's List
2. Gladiator
3. Reservoir Dogs
4. Fight Club
5. LOTR: The Two Towers

Napoleon Dynamite. Everyone talked it up to being the funniest movie ever, and I hardly cracked a smile for about 99% of it. And now, I have to deal with people quoting it constantly.

Oh Frangland, how terrible, you're a populist. I thought only shallow morons believed that claptrap: "If lots of people like it, then it must be good". Following that logic, many of the greatest dictatorial regeimes and murderous psychopaths were good guys.

Also, Britney Spears is one of the most talented musical artists ever.

And Survivor and Big Brother are the very peak of cultural excellence.

Don't spin that bullshit about "the cultural elite", typical defence of the populist. There is no cultural elite, there are just people who have different aims and motivations when watching a film. Most people go to a movie expecting to pay their money, get instant gratification and then leave and get on with their lives. There are others, such as film students and people who have a more direct interest in films that go to movies not only to be entertained, but to be touched, to be led to strange new lines of thought, to experience, to be challenged, to consider the deeper implications for humanity.

In other words, there are those who view movies as entertainment and there are others who view it as art. Both are equally justified in their opinion.

o·ver·rate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vr-rt)
tr.v. o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates
To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.

Titanic is one of the top all-time grossing pictures of our time and has garnered a batch of oscars. If you dislike the film, then in your opinion it is justified to view it as overrated.

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Anyway, I think Titantic is way overrated because so many people love it, yet I think it's mediocre. I believe this because it's got a hokey love story, Billy Zane gives his worst performance, the dialogue is terrible and there were holes in the plot so big you could sail the... er you know.

However, I enjoyed parts of it because the attention to historical detail was very good and the disaster itself was entertaining.

Thus it is mediocre, not especially awful, nor especially good. Certainly not deserving of it's massive popularity compared with other films, such as L.A. Confidential which came out the same year and got shafted at the Oscars.

Other overrated films:

The English Patient - Why do people think this is a good film? It's boring, the acting is laughable, the plot ridiculously melodramatic and the dialogue, dear lord.

Thin Red Line - This could have been a decent war film. The book kicked ass. The film was three hours of endlessly droning monologues and an overkill of nature shots. Terrance Malick should have stayed away from film for another twenty years if this is what he offers. (BTW I loved both Badlands and Days of Heaven, so I'm not a random hater)

Star Wars Episode Three - Everybody said that this film redeemed the previous two. That it was a gripping emotional story. Well I'm sorry, but it just didn't grip me, I didn't feel any sense of tragedy, the action scenes actually started to bore me and the acting was atrocious as always.

Unforgiven - I know I'm going to cop a lot of flack for this, but I was underwhelmed by this film. Clint Eastwood is the kind of guy who specialises in the mediocre and he manages to ruin a great concept (the destruction of the myth of the West) with terrible lines and a silly plot. There were some parts I warmed to, such as the truth about duelling and the story about when Munny shot the guy at the river, but on the whole it was a flat experience.

I have to say Titanic. That was and still is the ONLY time I have ever fallen asleep in a noisy movie theater.

The fact that hype for it was everywhere and that damn Celine Dion song was being played on the radio almost constantly for weeks didn't help me enjoy the movie, either. I would have appreciated it more if they HADN'T pimped it so much.

A good movie can still be overrated. This is such a movie. It would have been better if they hadn't said a damn word prior.

Pulp Fiction.

*yawn* yet another Quentin Tarantino wank-fest.

As for Napoleon Dynamite...was that even a movie? I think I turned it off after about 3 minutes.

Pulp Fiction.

*yawn* yet another Quentin Tarantino wank-fest.

As for Napoleon Dynamite...was that even a movie? I think I turned it off after about 3 minutes.
What the hell is Napoleon Dynamite supposed to be about, anyway?

Annie Hall

The Shawshank Redemption and/or anything by Robert Redford

You suck monkey genetalia, you male offspring of a female dog! I love that move! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!


The Enlightened One, Gir

Spiderman 2. Too much whiny self-pitying, not enough ass kicking.

Overrated:

1.) Napoleon Dynamite (Some loved it because of its cheesiness, but this movie could make me lactose intolerant)
2.) Titanic (Pretty much what was already stated; bad acting, swarmed by rabid fangirls, and a very cliched story/plot)
3.) Fight Club (It didn't impress me)
4.) Hulk (Ang Lee.. please find something else to do other than direct. It's sad, really)
5.) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (The books were horrid to me, so it shouldn't be surprising that I found the movies actually worse.)

Overrated:

1.) Napoleon Dynamite (Some loved it because of its cheesiness, but this movie could make me lactose intolerant)
2.) Titanic (Pretty much what was already stated; bad acting, swarmed by rabid fangirls, and a very cliched story/plot)
3.) Fight Club (It didn't impress me)
4.) Hulk (Ang Lee.. please find something else to do other than direct. It's sad, really)
5.) Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (The books were horrid to me, so it shouldn't be surprising that I found the movies actually worse.)
UH! AH! You dissed Harry Potter! *Creative, literature dependent soul shrieks in pain*

UH! AH! You dissed Harry Potter! *Creative, literature dependent soul shrieks in pain*

*pets*

Just seems that we can't find anything we agree on, eh Zotona? :p

EDIT: mispelled your name.. sorry >.> It's fixed now ^_^

*pets*

Just seems that we can't find anything we agree on, eh Zotana? :p
Well, we agree we disagree!

Well, we agree we disagree!

Tru dat.

And I caught the mispelling of your name. Sorry 'bout that.

Tru dat.

And I caught the mispelling of your name. Sorry 'bout that.
No problem.

I thought it over and...

"Finding Nemo".

I couldn't've cared less whether Nemo ended up a fish stick, let alone allow the Disney Corporation to manipulate my emotions and persuade me to hemorrhage money in the form of ongoing product tie-ins.

I hate it because everyone is saying that it's good.
This sums up 'over-raters.' Be into something.

Originally Posted by Romanore
4.) Hulk (Ang Lee.. please find something else to do other than direct. It's sad, really) Hold up a second. Are you seriously ragging Ang Lee's entire career because of one movie? Yes, the guy made Hulk, but he also made:

"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"
"Sense and Sensibility"
"The Ice Storm"
"Eat Drink Man Woman"
"The Wedding Banquet"

That's a pretty impressive resume. I don't bedrudge James Cameron just because he made "Titanic". He also made "Aliens", "Terminator 1&2" and "The Abyss." All excellent films and solidly entertaining. Everybody makes a wrong decision sometimes.

Hrm.

-Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Mainly this is the massive instance of Peter 'I'm Better Than Tolkien' Jackson saying, effectively, "Screw the books, this would look cool." And, in one instance, "Screw the fact that this would mean Sauron would know exactly where the ring was and would send all his armies after it..." (I'm talking about the hideously un-canon Nazgul In Osgiliath Meets Frodo scene). FotR I could stand - not too much deviation - and RotK was sort of a mix of awful and incredible, but TTT? Nah-uh.

-The Matrix 2. No plot, a whole bundle of special effects. It's what I call a 'filler' chapter, and I hate both writing them and reading them.

-Star Wars III. Apart from the 'What was he thinking with that title?' thing... I've said it before, I'll probably die saying it, but Lucas should have all his shiny toys taken away from him and be sent back to using real models and paintings. And the actors should be forced to be convincing on a plain white stage in plain black clothes before being allowed in front of a camera.

-Erm... I can't think of any others right now, but I know there have been many. Generally, so-called 'comedy' switches me right off, because it's almost all slapstick and simple jokes. Monty Python is the exception to this, but I couldn't really explain why... force of habit, probably.

"Equilibrium"

The New York Times' reviewer said that it could "only be dumber if it were longer."

This was being far too kind, in my opinion.

LOTR. Blah. Everything about it was overrated. And it basically ruined Tolkien by smearing it with the big hollywood stick. Same with the music. I've listened to that score a bunch of times. It functions, but god damn do people overrate it constantly. For example, the themes or leitmotifs as it were, were stupid and annoying. In particular, the "saruman the evil bad person" theme, in the bass and trombones, which also was reused even after saruman was defeated, since it transformed into the "all evil bad orcs" theme. But also, pretty much all the hobbit music. Any music they had during the supposed 'comic relief' bits, like the dwarf falling on his ass and going "it was deliberate," as if dwarfs fucking grew up in the 90's when that was funny to say after a gaff. All the choral music, too. What a waste of a fantastic choir and symphony orchestra. The demon music was the best really, particularly when they were going down the steps running from... the big demon. With the chanting. That was good, but then they slipped back into pseudo-Wagnerial cliche ripoff. And frankly the movies just sucked. I had no feeling for any of the characters, and I was disappointed that the "good guys" didn't get overrun, imprisoned and exterminated.

hmmmm... disapointed i seem to be one of the few who dislike Kill Bill... :(



"Equilibrium"

The New York Times' reviewer said that it could "only be dumber if it were longer."

This was being far too kind, in my opinion.
damn, another movie i liked. it may have been quite nonsensical, but take some time to think about the themes and moral objections it throws up and it becomes really quite good imho

What the hell is Napoleon Dynamite supposed to be about, anyway?


I don't think it was "about" anything other than a bunch of people speaking in overly airy voices. Honestly, I usually don't mind a lack of plot if the concepts held are good (M*A*S*H [both the movie and play. I was never a huge fan of the TV series because it lost alot of the really dark comedy] and the play the Martian Chronicles are great examples of this) Napoleon Dynamite had no plot and no purpose. It just...was.

Four weddings and a funeral... that was a waste of time :confused:

Titanic sucked, in my OPINION, because it was a cliched love story. Rich girl and poor boy can't possibly be together, but overcome all odds to be together anyway, and then tragedy strikes and they are seperated. Oh noes! It was funnier when they called it The Princess Bride, and it had a happier ending too.

Most movies have cliched story lines. Writers take influence from other stories. The new story has different characters and different events, but the same basic story line we've all seen before. The more movies that are created, the more we will see the same movie over and over again. It's either a love story, a death story, a war story, a pointless story, a science fiction story, etc. Everything is cliche. No one is original.

I actually enjoyed most of the movies listed throughout this thread that I have actually seen. The only ones I have seen and do not like are Napoleon Dynamite, Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions. Napoleon Dynamite had no purpose whatsover. I am aware this was intentional, but I just can't stand a move without a point. Matrix Reloaded was nothing more than talky talky explanation. I understand exposition is necessary in a movie, but an entire film of it is a bit much. Matix Revolutions just sucked in my opinion. I'm not even sure what I didn't like about. I just didn't like it. I had hoped it would offer some sort of redemtion for Reloaded, but I was left disappointed. They never should have created the two. Matrix worked just fine on its own. I felt more satisfied with it's ending than I did after seeing the entire trilogy.

Hold up a second. Are you seriously ragging Ang Lee's entire career because of one movie? Yes, the guy made Hulk, but he also made:

"Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"
"Sense and Sensibility"
"The Ice Storm"
"Eat Drink Man Woman"
"The Wedding Banquet"

That's a pretty impressive resume. I don't bedrudge James Cameron just because he made "Titanic". He also made "Aliens", "Terminator 1&2" and "The Abyss." All excellent films and solidly entertaining. Everybody makes a wrong decision sometimes.

Holy S!+t! Ang Lee made Sense and Sensiblity? Wow. Some crossed neurons are inspiring some truly wierd scenes featuring Emma Thompson going Matrix.

Titanic.
Ugh.
And that theme song.*vomits*

Napoleon Dynamite. Hyped up as the greatest thing since sound and in reality it is nothing but a steaming pile of dog shit. And not good dog shit. Bad dog shit. Dog shit from a dog that is shitting out its intestines and contains more blood than actual shit.

Lost in Translation

Utter shit :gundge:

So, I'm trying to work out why no-one has yet mentioned that 'great American Civil War Story', aka Gone With The Wind. To me, it was a great waste of time, both as a piece of literature, and as a movie.
Actually, let me rethink that, the book was good as a sleep medication ;-)

As much as I love it, Star Wars is pretty overrated.

But the most overrated move, ever, is Reefer Maddness, stoners worldwide talk about how funny it is, it's lame. It's a bad propaganda film that no amount of cess (or reefer, if you prefer) can turn into a comedy.

I think Star Wars definitely wins it, for reasons we all know.

Titanic is another good candidate. All this fuss over a movie whose plot is completely cliche.

In the arthouse genre, I have to go with the Decalogue. This set of films has the highest rating I have ever seen for any movie on imdb (currently 9.3), it is praised by critics as one of the great achievements of film, and is even taught in film classes (Roger Ebert taught an entire class on just this one set of movies). But the stories are totally predictable, the plots completely linear, the acting average, and the theme is ruined because they dont actually base each movie on a different commandment as originally intended.

Star Wars.

It's shit.

On a par with Battle Beyond the Stars for plot, quality of dialogue and special effects.
YES! Finally someone on this earth who agrees with me!

I hated the first three movies (4, 5, 6). They were crap!

LotR, all three of them. I loved the books, these movies suck! :mp5:

Titanic. I just got up and left when my friends started watching it.

The Ring. Everyone was all like "OMG that movie is SOOOOO scary!!!1" Then I saw it, expecting it to be scary. It wasn't. In fact, it made me want to donkey punch the girl who played the little freak in the movie.

Originally Posted by Lazy Hippies
In the arthouse genre, I have to go with the Decalogue. This set of films has the highest rating I have ever seen for any movie on imdb (currently 9.3), it is praised by critics as one of the great achievements of film, and is even taught in film classes (Roger Ebert taught an entire class on just this one set of movies). But the stories are totally predictable, the plots completely linear, the acting average, and the theme is ruined because they dont actually base each movie on a different commandment as originally intended. Holy crap. Somebody who doesn't like the Decalogue?! Is that even possible?!

*Watches the Decalogue again to make up for Lazy Hippies' blasphemy against Kieslowski.*

Napoleon Dynamite. I thought it was kinda funny and all, but it wasn't nearly as good as my friends said it was. Kip is the saddest excuse for a human being.

Hmm ok there are some very obvious ones here


Titanic
- someone said that the attention to historical detail was the only good thing about it - i won't even give it that - Kate Winslet's character gives the butler the "finger" - an expression that hadn't even been invented in 1912!


Star Wars episode 1 - I watched this with a complete star-wars freak. When I finally switched off the video 3/4's of the way through cause I was just too violated - he didn't understand. Truth is, most star wars fans are too blinded by their longing for their childhood nostalgia that they don't see the flimsy (non)-plot, the paper-thin characters, the stilted stunted dialogue, the incredibly poor performance of all actors involved (Ewan Mcgregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman and Samuel L Jackson can act, but you'd never know by seeing this film) and the complete and utter over-reliance on special effects. IMHO they must have spent the lion's share of the SFX budget on editing the scripts out of the actors' hands cause at times (there was some desert scene with the Anakin) it seemed like they were reading the lines for the first time. I haven't and will never watch the second and third episodes - cause fool me once shame on you.....


Matrix 2 & 3 - god awful films, another example of where people think a big SFX budget will cover piss-poor acting and gaping plot holes.

To whoever said it - I completely agree Jackie Brown is tarantino's best movie - but I don't think Kill Bill 1 & 2 were overhyped. I went in expecting to be entertained, and entertained I was.

and lastly to poke some controversy - I think Donnie Darko is ridiculously over-rated. It's an ok movie but not deserving of the praise so many people put on it. It's like the diet coke of an intellectual movie, a dumbed down Mulholland Drive. It's Memento for the weak-minded. Don't get me wrong - these people are a step ahead of the people who fill the cinemas for Titanic or Star Wars, but it's like they've come close to appreciating the finer points of films and then decided to settle back to watching movies for just entertainment. Whenever someone tells me their favourite movie is Donnie Darko, I sigh and start looking through my film archive for movies to educate the poor sod.

Lost in Translation

Utter shit :gundge:
I'm surprised that I had to wade through 8 pages before seeing someone bring this movie up. I bought a pirate DVD in China for 6RMB (about 75 cents US) and I felt so cheated.

It is full of the most god-awful cliches, laid on thick. The opening scene showing Scarlett Johansson lying awake in bed and her husband snoring contentedly really made wonder what I'd got myself in for. 'Oh my', I thought to myself, 'She mustn't be happy with their life, yet he is! What a clever way to show this. It's never been done before in this way! What next? Perhaps Bill Murray will get a message from his wife saying he's forgotten his son's birthday - again - showing in a really pithy way how maligned his life is. Whoops, there it goes.'

It just gets worse from there. I could list them but that would take too long.
Ever single cliche you could think of to show how disparate the two main characters' lives are and how discontent they are is thrown in. Then more just in case you missed the first 300 or so. Then the film ends.

Yet critics went positively orgasmic in their sycophantic gushes about it.


And Titanic was vastly over-rated. It was a long boring story that desperately needed a hugely climatic finish in order to give it some sort of ending.
And before anyone says 'Don't you know the boat sunk in reality'. Yes I do know that. I'm talking about the movie. Take away the ending and Cameron would have been lucky to make 1/10th of what he did.
Cameron had to set the story on a boat that sunk just to give the movie a climatic ending. Really, he just traded on the deaths of 1400 people and the universal memory we have as a society of this event to make a boring shit movie and a bucket load of money.

And I have an IQ of 146 and 1/4. So there. That makes me smarter than Frangland, therefore you should all listen to me.

The Matrix was over-rated in that so many people got it into their heads that the idea that life is just a shadow on a cave wall had never been done before and thus Matrix was just so cool and weird because of this.

The next movies showed how little talent the Wachowski brothers have. Once they had made their decent first movie (though even it was too slow, with too many boring speeches dressed up to appear deep and mystical in between the action) they then just got waaaayyyy too self-indulgent for the next two.

and lastly to poke some controversy - I think Donnie Darko is ridiculously over-rated. It's an ok movie but not deserving of the praise so many people put on it. It's like the diet coke of an intellectual movie, a dumbed down Mulholland Drive. It's Memento for the weak-minded. Don't get me wrong - these people are a step ahead of the people who fill the cinemas for Titanic or Star Wars, but it's like they've come close to appreciating the finer points of films and then decided to settle back to watching movies for just entertainment. Whenever someone tells me their favourite movie is Donnie Darko, I sigh and start looking through my film archive for movies to educate the poor sod.
I'm with you there. I would give it 6.5/10 at most. An ok movie, but nowhere near as great as people go on about it.
However, I'd sit through Darko 10 times rather than Titanic once.

The Matrix was over-rated in that so many people got it into their heads that the idea that life is just a shadow on a cave wall had never been done before and thus Matrix was just so cool and weird because of this.


haha nice reference!

LotR 3

Shark Tale

Napoleon Dynamite. So dumb. And then people never shut up about it either. They think they're so witty, quoting from a movie everyone in the whole world has seen.

Troy

Controversy time.

Citizen Kane.

It is good, it is very good, but nothing can possibly live up to the rating it has.

I'd have to say Team America at the minute

The Ring. Everyone was all like "OMG that movie is SOOOOO scary!!!1" Then I saw it, expecting it to be scary. It wasn't. In fact, it made me want to donkey punch the girl who played the little freak in the movie.
I didn't think it was a good movie, but it made me uneasy. I guess it was just my mood.

[QUOTE=Thermadore]
Titanic
- someone said that the attention to historical detail was the only good thing about it - i won't even give it that - Kate Winslet's character gives the butler the "finger" - an expression that hadn't even been invented in 1912!


Star Wars episode 1 - I watched this with a complete star-wars freak. When I finally switched off the video 3/4's of the way through cause I was just too violated - he didn't understand. Truth is, most star wars fans are too blinded by their longing for their childhood nostalgia that they don't see the flimsy (non)-plot, the paper-thin characters, the stilted stunted dialogue, the incredibly poor performance of all actors involved (Ewan Mcgregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman and Samuel L Jackson can act, but you'd never know by seeing this film) and the complete and utter over-reliance on special effects. IMHO they must have spent the lion's share of the SFX budget on editing the scripts out of the actors' hands cause at times (there was some desert scene with the Anakin) it seemed like they were reading the lines for the first time. I haven't and will never watch the second and third episodes - cause fool me once shame on you.....


Matrix 2 & 3 - god awful films, another example of where people think a big SFX budget will cover piss-poor acting and gaping plot holes. [/QUOTE}

Oh I have to agree with all these... in fact, I heard Matrix 2 & 3 were so bad that I didn't even watch. Matrix 2 was on one night, and I fell asleep.

I liked Episode III of Star Wars... I guess it's because it's the transitional phase.

Why does everyone say Titanic was over rated... i've never heard anyone give a good opinion of it, so it can't have been too highly rated in the first place :confused:

Why does everyone say Titanic was over rated... i've never heard anyone give a good opinion of it, so it can't have been too highly rated in the first place :confused:

I've lost all respect for your posts since you said that Four Weddings and a Funeral was over rated. :sniper:

Why does everyone say Titanic was over rated... i've never heard anyone give a good opinion of it, so it can't have been too highly rated in the first place :confused:

Because it won a bunch of Oscars and other such awards.

And it is only the more intelligent amongst us who rip into it; a lot of muppets out there actually think it's a good movie.

The Matrix was over-rated in that so many people got it into their heads that the idea that life is just a shadow on a cave wall had never been done before and thus Matrix was just so cool and weird because of this.
haha nice reference!
What?! You mean someone said this before me!
I'm shocked. Is there nothing original left to say?
Shocked I say. Shocked.

The Ring. Everyone was all like "OMG that movie is SOOOOO scary!!!1" Then I saw it, expecting it to be scary. It wasn't. In fact, it made me want to donkey punch the girl who played the little freak in the movie.

Really? I thought Daveigh Chase was the only descent thing in that movie.

Titanic. I believe that speaks for itself.

Indeed lol

Overrated:

Troy
The Scorpion King
Team America (Fuck yeah :-P)
The Blair Witch Project
The Matrix (all three)
Spider Man 2
Men in Black 2



How can people get down on the Boondock Saints, its a Cult film
Shepherds we shall be, for the my lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, So we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. that's a great line, and the GoP oath :-P Can't you see Bush, Cheney, and DeLay chanting it? by the way Tomb Raider 1 and 2 were just bad, not overrated, like Star Trek: Nemesis and First Contact bad.

Napoleon Dynamite. So dumb. And then people never shut up about it either. They think they're so witty, quoting from a movie everyone in the whole world has seen.


I agree heartily, that film sucked, and swallowed just like that I Heart Huckabees shit, someone should burn all the reels of those films and bitch slap the writers.

The most overrated movie would have to be: Gladiator. The plot is extremely shallow. Most of the action scenes were rather dull aswell. While it isn't a horrible movie, many people are under the impression it had a deep plot.

I agree heartily, that film sucked, and swallowed just like that I Heart Huckabees shit, someone should burn all the reels of those films and bitch slap the writers.

Nevr heard of anyone who's ever seen 'I <3 Huckabees'. How bad is it.

I'd have to say Star Wars, for sure.

Citizen Kane. I fell asleep.

Well, I'm expecting to be slammed for this, and probably have my sanity and/or my intellect questioned over this, but here we go.

The original Matrix (IMHO) is an amazing film. When I walked out of the theatre, I felt like I was when I was 10 and saw Star Wars for the first time. Truly, an altering experience. I even liked the second film. However, the third film was so bad that it ruined the second for me.

Titanic, while hardly my favourite film, is still a good movie, and highly watchable. It's received a lot of flak on this board, but is very well constructed. Probably the greatest shortcoming of the movie is DiCaprio, but it is still a 7/10 in my book. As an aside, I thought Leonardo was very good in both 'Catch Me If You Can' and 'The Aviator' - he surprised me.

The LOTR trilogy is also amazing - I have no idea how anyone can slam these films, short of those either thinking Tolkien was some sort of infallible genius, or dweebs who believe that anything popular or successful sucks. Brilliantly shot, well acted, and a moving (and far less boring) interpretation of JRRT.

Now, for StarWars: I truly enjoyed ep IV and V, was entertained by VI (but not blow away), and liked certain elements of II and III. Ep I, however, blows dead bears.

So, what movies were overhyped piles of poo? In no particular order:

Armageddon
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace
Matrix: Revolutions
Artificial Intelligence: AI
Kill Bill (1&2)

Well then, what movies did I love? Again, in no particular order:
Seven
Shawshank Redemption
The Usual Suspects
The Matrix
the LOTR Trilogy
Blade Runner

I was disappointed by "Ferris Bueller's Day Off", it really wasn't that good. Aren't comedies supposed to be funny? This was just an endless pile of cliche's that bored me.

Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, the second and third Matrix movies, The Ring, all those comic book movies, Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome (I liked the first one and the second one was ok though), and ANY Tom Clancy movie.

all those comic book movies,

Sin City wasn't that bad for you was it?

I was disappointed by "Ferris Bueller's Day Off", it really wasn't that good. Aren't comedies supposed to be funny? This was just an endless pile of cliche's that bored me.

God, was forced to watched that at school. The only thing funny about it was how awful it was.

Titanic, as a million other people have already said. It was three long, excrutiating hours of my life, gone. Even Leonardo DiCaprio dying didn't redeem it.

Movies should only be seen once, unless they are educational, or comedic.s

What the heck? Movies are meant to be seen many times. If the good lord had intended us to see them once, he wouldn't have invented video tapes (sorry, a little Willy Wonka reference there). You miss half the movie on the first viewing. The first time you watch a movie, you concentrate on the plot. You want to know how it ends. You completely miss all the little details that were so meticulously placed throughout the movie. You miss all the little hints that are dropped because you don't know what to listen for. There is absolutely nothing wrong with watching a movie more than one time, even in the theater. Seeing a movie in the theater is a much different experience than watching it on your tiny tv at home, not to mention it gives extra support to a movie you feel is worthwhile. Apparently many people felt that way about Titanic. I believe that was the first movie I saw more than once in the theater (three times, I believe). I have also gone to see other movies more than once before they left theaters (LotR: Two Towers, LotR: Return of the King, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, and Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, Nutty Professor II: The Klumps (though that one was not of my own choosing) are the only others I remember for sure). I would say this is not as rare an occurance as people make it out to be. I know many people that go to see movies several times in the theaters for whatever reason. You know it's going to be several months (or years if it's a Disney flick) before it comes out on video and you will be able to see it again, and for some people it's worth the eight bucks or whatever to see it that one more time before it's gone for a while.

Finding Nemo. I was forced to go with my little sisters. It had been portrayed as a favorite for best animated film. I saw absolutly nothing special about it . Come to think of it, it SUCKED!!!!! :mp5:

Star Wars Prequels, all three
Titanic
Alexander
Troy
Gladiator

Napoleon Dynamite sucked balls and its the biggest cult movie ever... if one person says its funny everyone thinks it is... I just wish people would think for themselves...

Definitely Napoleon Dynamite. ~*~sooooooooooo annoying~*~
:rolleyes:

Napoleon Dynamite sucked balls and its the biggest cult movie ever... if one person says its funny everyone thinks it is... I just wish people would think for themselves...

Holy Crap I was just gonna post that. It was the worst movie I have ever seen. Everyone I know wouldnt shut up about the movie, so I rented it. There was NO plot, none at all. People said the plot was supposed to be getting pedro to be class president, but that wasnt it. A plot is supposed to be introduced within the first 5-10 minutes of the movie, that wasnt introduced till the first half hour. Someone also told me they liked it for the positive message "dont judge a book by it's cover", wow how freakin original. What a piece of shit.