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I have a question. You know how Capatilisim and Communism are 2 totally differant things? Well, to me, I think that they can be combined to form a totally new system! Example: Since I live in the USA, I was born and raised Capatilist. It's a good thing. Running your own buisness, making money, etc. Then people look at the government. Mostly not so good, since most of the nations money belongs to the people and not the government. Eventuilly, around 7th grade, me and friends were learning about the USSR. To the people, it's not that good. Since most money goes to the goverment, people don't have a lot of money to spend. But then you take a look at the government. The WWII Red army was an outstanding force, despite the Nazi backstab. The main reason why was because of the USSR's ability to spend money. A lot of it. I think, that if you take some turns, such as, maybe buisnessworkers in like factorys, and corporations should have Capatilist ways, yet agraculture should be the Communist part, giving most money to the government. That would have everyone happy! What do you guys think?

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I think it’s great that you are coming up with new ideas. However, they are a bit naïve.

since most of the nations money belongs to the people and not the government.

How is this a bad thing?

that if you take some turns, such as, maybe buisnessworkers in like factorys

I actually think it is good business sense for the manager’s to get down into the trenches every now and then to see how things are going. However, forcing them to is tyrannical.

yet agraculture should be the Communist part,

Stalin killed millions of upper and middle class farmer’s to implement his cooperative farming ideas. It is also notable that the USSR always had a problems with their agriculture.

giving most money to the government. That would have everyone happy!

That would not make me happy. I like to keep the money I earn, but that’s just me.

What do you guys think?

I think this pretty much sounds like Socialism or some other form of limited communism.

I think different systems work for different nations, which sounds ambiguous but is true. Some nations would collapse under the pressures of Capitalism, while others would strive. Communist systems are breedinggrounds for corruption, the point is equality, yet a small ruling body always seems to be filthy rich, and in total control, thus hyppocritical to the very principle or being equal. On the other hand, look at a nation like the current IRAQ. They can succeed one day, but some groups of people do not have the desire to defend themselves, much less kill another man and therefore wouldn't seem to hold up to the pressures. However, a communist system, or even a dictator could survive and do very well for the whole nation in that situation (under the right circumstances).. Your thoughts??

...yet agraculture should be the Communist part...


One of the top reason's that the USSR failed was the fact it could not feed itself.

One of the top reason's that the USSR failed was the fact it could not feed itself.

Interestingly, one of the reasons that the USA failed in the late '20s and early '30s was that in open market capitolism with modern mechanisms, farms produced so much that crops actually had negative value. It cost more to ship the goods to market than to sell them, since the supply so greatly exceeded the demand.

When the US was coming out of the Great Depression, the government essentially took control of Agriculture; that control exists even today (though to a lesser extent). People were actually paid by the government to not grow crops.

Today, farms are still effectively controlled by the government. Practically every agricultural industry is subsedised by Washington.
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As to the original post:
If you live in a modern country with an American/European type of economy (Including countries like Japan or South Korea), you already do live in a country that combines capitolism and socialism. The combination is known as welfare capitolism. It involves things like social security, welfare systems, unemployment checks, minimum wages, maximum hours / week, etc.

I have a question. You know how Capatilisim and Communism are 2 totally differant things? Well, to me, I think that they can be combined to form a totally new system! Example: Since I live in the USA, I was born and raised Capatilist. It's a good thing. Running your own buisness, making money, etc. Then people look at the government. Mostly not so good, since most of the nations money belongs to the people and not the government. Eventuilly, around 7th grade, me and friends were learning about the USSR. To the people, it's not that good. Since most money goes to the goverment, people don't have a lot of money to spend. But then you take a look at the government. The WWII Red army was an outstanding force, despite the Nazi backstab. The main reason why was because of the USSR's ability to spend money. A lot of it. I think, that if you take some turns, such as, maybe buisnessworkers in like factorys, and corporations should have Capatilist ways, yet agraculture should be the Communist part, giving most money to the government. That would have everyone happy! What do you guys think?
a few points

1. the reason why the USSR was able to 'throw money' at the red army during WW2 was because it was Total War, for all countries involved - as in the govt takes over control of the means of production for the war effort. it just so happens that this is the way the USSR existed the rest of the time too ;)
just wanted to point out that nazi germany also threw vast amounts of government money at their army

2. your ideas are a bit vague, i mean surely while capitalism and communism are opposite ends of the spectrum (with similar qualities of course, which is why its commonly thought of as a 'horse-shoe' shape), there is an in-between: socialism.

3. if you mean something other than socialism, check out the ideas of the UDCP - i my eyes we've come up with a pretty impressive "new" system that combines some of the best bits of both communism and capitalism, as well as glorious direct democracy! linky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418610)

You will also discover, if you stay in these forums long enough, that the political world is not a simple economic split between communist collectivism and capitalism. There is an axis of social freedom to be taken into account.

This second axis introduces other political schemes such as libertarianism (classic liberalism) and the various forms of anachism as well as differentiating between totalitarian and freedom based state models.

Nice, but belated recruiting PM. I am sure that you want to spend your time teaching rather than practicing. (Well actually, we prefer that you do.)

Nice, but belated recruiting PM. I am sure that you want to spend your time teaching rather than practicing. (Well actually, we prefer that you do.)
hey, rare moments of obvious opportunism shouldn't be ignored ;)