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I've got a few questions for the musically minded out there.

When exactly does "pop" go from "pop" to "bubblegum pop" or "teen pop"?

What exactly does "pop" stand for? Does the music actually pop (as in using this word as a verb)? Is it an acronym? An abbreviation?

What bands/singers are real "pop" artists, and which ones are "teen or bubblegum pop" artists?

Oh yeah, and rock. What separates "pop" from "rock"?

Some "rock" artists?

Is there a genre that would constitute fake "rock", like I'm assuming "teen pop" does? Some artists from this/these fake "rock" genre(s)?

Are there multiple types of rock?

Is "Christian rock" real "rock"?

Is mainstream "rap" "real"? I mean, it never seems to say anything important or remotely interesting. If this rap isn't real rap, what is?

Some rap artists?

Is "hip-hop" the same as "rap"?

What is "indie"?

Some artists from this, if it is a genre?

What's R&B? Artists?

I'll stop here before I take up too much space...

When exactly does "pop" go from "pop" to "bubblegum pop" or "teen pop"?
What exactly does "pop" stand for? Does the music actually pop (as in using this word as a verb)? Is it an acronym? An abbreviation?
What bands/singers are real "pop" artists, and which ones are "teen or bubblegum pop" artists?
'Pop' is short for 'popular'. Therefore, technically, anything anyone likes is 'pop'. In modern music, it's generally considered to be anything that makes the charts. 'Pop' in itself, if you want to define it as a specific genre is bubblegum/teen pop. Think Britney, any boy bands, etc.

Oh yeah, and rock. What separates "pop" from "rock"?

Some "rock" artists?

Is there a genre that would constitute fake "rock", like I'm assuming "teen pop" does? Some artists from this/these fake "rock" genre(s)?

Are there multiple types of rock?

Is "Christian rock" real "rock"?
'Rock' can be 'pop' in the true sense, if it is popular. But rock is generally far more guitar driven than bubblegum/teen pop.
Artists: Oasis, U2, Coldplay.
There are indeed multiple types of rock. Firstly, rock. Also, glam-rock (I think the difference here is that glam-rock focuses a lot more on image), poodle-rock (heheheheh...think Bon Jovi), rock'n'roll (going back to the beginnings of rock - Rolling Stones are a rock'n'roll band, though they also have soul, R&B and other influences).
Christian rock is real rock. Technically. I never really saw (or heard) the difference in the music. Perhaps lyrically they're different, but the music is fundamentally the same.
Is mainstream "rap" "real"? I mean, it never seems to say anything important or remotely interesting. If this rap isn't real rap, what is?

Some rap artists?

Is "hip-hop" the same as "rap"?
I'm going to leave this one alone, as I'm nowhere near an expert on rap/hip-hop. But I will say that rap/hip-hop says about as much of importance as any other music does. And it does sometimes say something important - I can only give the example of Tupac here, but I'm sure there are others.

What is "indie"?

Some artists from this, if it is a genre?
Indie is short for 'Independent'. Any band on an independent label is 'indie'. An independent label is one that is not a multi-national label with gazillions of artists eg. EMI, WarnerMusic. Think of any big-name band/musician. Chances are they're not signed to an independent label.

What's R&B? Artists?
R&B is Rhythm and Blues. Modern R&B generally isn't actually R&B (eg. Destinys Child - they're pop, not R&B). Search the net for true example of R&B; I'd say go back to the 60s or 70s if you really want to know what it is.

Anyone else wants to criticise me, feel free, I'm not saying that this is necessarily all accurate, but it's the way I see it.

A couple of additions to your excellent summary Stalin.

Rock is fundamentally influenced by the blues, many of the great rock standards are actually even covers of old blues songs. The Stones would be more likely to be thought of as a "classic rock" band these days, the category covering rock artists from the 60-70's and even into the 80's.

Hip-hop is more melodic than Rap, both have urban beats but rap is primarily rhythmic spoken word, sometimes even without instrumental accompanyment. I tend to think of Hip-hop as sung, while Rap is spoken.

Excellent summary Stalin.
Bet that was heard a lot in Russia between 1927 and 1953...
Thanks, and thanks for the additions as well.

Christian rock is real rock. Technically. I never really saw (or heard) the difference in the music. Perhaps lyrically they're different, but the music is fundamentally the same.Trye, it's the lyrics that do it, more religious than normal.

I'm going to leave this one alone, as I'm nowhere near an expert on rap/hip-hop. But I will say that rap/hip-hop says about as much of importance as any other music does. And it does sometimes say something important - I can only give the example of Tupac here, but I'm sure there are others.

Public Enemy, Wutang, NWA, Cypress Hill, Grandmaster Flash, DJ Kool Herc, etc.

The first commercial hip-hop record was in 1974, Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight. Records often feature older songs with new vocals added over the top to create a new song. Rap will feature spoken rhythmical lyrics and is a type of hip-hop, hip-hop and rap share many features, but rap has the spoken lyrics, easiest way to tell them apart.

[EDIT: THE LOST PLANET beat me to that one.]

Independant labels tend to be regarded as "cool" and are subsequently bought by larger record companies.

R&B is Rhythm and Blues. Modern R&B generally isn't actually R&B. I think modern R&B actually stands for something else, possibly Rhythm & Bass.


Anyone else wants to criticise me, feel free, I'm not saying that this is necessarily all accurate, but it's the way I see it.
Same goes for me, i just got bored so decided to point out what i thought on the subject. :D

For example:

Non-indie label. (http://www.emirecords.co.uk/loader.html)

indie label. (http://www.lookoutrecords.com/index.php3)

Note one has a slick corporate website.

Public Enemy, Wutang, NWA, Cypress Hill, Grandmaster Flash, DJ Kool Herc, etc.

The first commercial hip-hop record was in 1974, Sugar Hill Gang - Rapper's Delight. Records often feature older songs with new vocals added over the top to create a new song. Rap will feature spoken rhythmical lyrics and is a type of hip-hop, hip-hop and rap share many features, but rap has the spoken lyrics, easiest way to tell them apart.
I was thinking of putting that, but decided it would be best to leave it to someone who knows what they're talking about.

For example:

Non-indie label.

indie label.

Note one has a slick corporate website.
Which one? :p Must say I actually prefer Lookout's website.

Music so easily catogorized is not music.

Music so easily catogorized is not music.
ROFLMAO! :D



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Please tell me you're not serious. :(

ROFLMAO! :D



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Please tell me you're not serious. :(
I'll let you decide.

Music so easily catogorized is not music.
When you've got such broad parameters, I think it's difficult not to be able to categorise different types of music - most of the music I listen to can be put under the broad definition of 'rock'. It's just a bad definition, because it covers so much - punk-, prog-, post-, -'n'roll, indie-, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
That was something I meant to put in my original answer. Indie - while it is technically anything on an independent label, if you were to ask a musically minded person what they thought of if you said "indie" to them, certainly in the UK, they would probably think of some sort of rock, most likely 'Britpop'. I hate that term.

I'll let you decide.
I live in fear.

I live in fear.
*wets self*

When you've got such broad parameters, I think it's difficult not to be able to categorise different types of music - most of the music I listen to can be put under the broad definition of 'rock'. It's just a bad definition, because it covers so much - punk-, prog-, post-, -'n'roll, indie-, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
So why would you categorise them?

I've got a few questions for the musically minded out there.

When exactly does "pop" go from "pop" to "bubblegum pop" or "teen pop"?
Bublegum pop is really corny, much more so than regular "pop". Teen pop is marketed at teens and usually features "hunky" singers and boy/girl "bands".

What exactly does "pop" stand for? Does the music actually pop (as in using this word as a verb)? Is it an acronym? An abbreviation?
It's an abbreviation for "popular".

What bands/singers are real "pop" artists, and which ones are "teen or bubblegum pop" artists?
There are very few lines differing them. Some "bands" fit into all three. It's really song-dependant. As well as their image for that particular single/album.

Oh yeah, and rock. What separates "pop" from "rock"?
Rock is harder, uses guitars, etc. Pop is more electronic nowadays. However, at one point Pop music WAS rock, so it changes over time.

Some "rock" artists?
Rush, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Queens of the Stone Age, etc.

Is there a genre that would constitute fake "rock", like I'm assuming "teen pop" does? Some artists from this/these fake "rock" genre(s)?
This is really a matter of personal preference, as is saying teen pop is "fake" pop.

Are there multiple types of rock?
Multiple, very different genres, yes.

Is "Christian rock" real "rock"?
As I said above, it all comes down to personal opinion. Some "Christan Rock" is actually very hard-rocking (think POD) but other is more pop-ish.

Is mainstream "rap" "real"? I mean, it never seems to say anything important or remotely interesting. If this rap isn't real rap, what is?
Kinda. When many rap artists, or most artists nowadays, get popular, they change just to make sales. Their songs are designed to sell. "Real" rap tends to be indie, or underground.

Some rap artists?
I can't name any off the top of my head. I'm not really a rap fan.

Is "hip-hop" the same as "rap"?
No. Hip-hop uses more singing, and tends to be more melodic.

What is "indie"?
Stands for "independant", bands that are either not signed to a label, or who are on an indipendant label (i.e. not owned by a big company), or who are just not well known enough for commercialization.

Some artists from this, if it is a genre?
It's not really a genre per-se, because every genre has indie bands/groups.

What's R&B? Artists?
It can have two meanings: Rhythm and blues, which is some old blues stuff, or R&B (I forget what it stands for now) which is a kind of hip-hop.

I'll stop here before I take up too much space...
Thanks.