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Sinister: 4 a : of, relating to, or situated to the left or on the left side of something; especially : being or relating to the side of a heraldic shield at the left of the person bearing it b : of ill omen by reason of being on the left. :eek:

Don't forget the Left-Hand Path. :eek:

Left-handed people were said to be 'sinister' while right-handed people were said to be dexter.

I brought this up a while ago, like circa Old Forum :D

Left-handed people were said to be 'sinister' while right-handed people were said to be dexter.

You mean I'm sinister and I'm not even a Democrat? :eek:

Sinister: 4 a : of, relating to, or situated to the left or on the left side of something; especially : being or relating to the side of a heraldic shield at the left of the person bearing it b : of ill omen by reason of being on the left. :eek:

No, in every sense of the word.

They're not sinister in the comic book sense of the term. If there was some way to make parties name themselves what they actually are they'd probably be called "The Whatever the Republicans are Doing But Less So" party. That doesn't make them sinister, merely anemic.

They don't occupy the political left. Almost all of them voted for the PATRIOT act, they're all totally pro-capitalism, the party as a whole doesn't support socialised medicine.

They don't occupy a designated physical space when congress is in session.

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No, in every sense of the word.

They're not sinister in the comic book sense of the term. If there was some way to make parties name themselves what they actually are they'd probably be called "The Whatever the Republicans are Doing But Less So" party. That doesn't make them sinister, merely anemic.

They don't occupy the political left. Almost all of them voted for the PATRIOT act, they're all totally pro-capitalism, the party as a whole doesn't support socialised medicine.

They don't occupy a designated physical space when congress is in session.


Do you mean they are not left but they are not as right as the Republicans are? :D

Democtrats being left wing has nothing to do with them being sinisterm, the idea of left and right wing came about long after "sinister"

It happened in France around, I think after, Napoleon's time. The people who were mroe liberal sat on the left side of the camber where the decided everything, and the more conservative people sat on the right side. They always sat on the same sides and the terms just stuck as left and right.

Do you mean they are not left but they are not as right as the Republicans are? :D
They're 'Conservative lite' - all the conservatism without the caloric neocons.

It happened in France around, I think after, Napoleon's time. The people who were mroe liberal sat on the left side of the camber where the decided everything, and the more conservative people sat on the right side. They always sat on the same sides and the terms just stuck as left and right.

Thanks, I never knew the origins of left and right as applied to politics before.

They're 'Conservative lite' - all the conservatism without the caloric neocons.

I like that. :)

Democtrats being left wing has nothing to do with them being sinisterm, the idea of left and right wing came about long after "sinister"

It happened in France around, I think after, Napoleon's time. The people who were mroe liberal sat on the left side of the camber where the decided everything, and the more conservative people sat on the right side. They always sat on the same sides and the terms just stuck as left and right.

It was during the French Revolution (1789 was the exact year, I think) at the Tennis Court Oath when the bourgeois got together to save France from the Absolutist monarchy. Those who preferred conservative change went to the right side of the room and those who advocated liberal change (i.e. bloody coup) went to the left. It was about a decade before Napoleon.

I was close. That was all I could remember from my culture and Ideas class.

Sinister: 4 a : of, relating to, or situated to the left or on the left side of something; especially : being or relating to the side of a heraldic shield at the left of the person bearing it b : of ill omen by reason of being on the left. :eek:

Meh.

I was going to give you credit for this funny twist on the left-handed thread in that thread, but making it a whole other thread is just annoying.

Sinister: 4 a : of, relating to, or situated to the left or on the left side of something; especially : being or relating to the side of a heraldic shield at the left of the person bearing it b : of ill omen by reason of being on the left. :eek:
Seriously, :rolleyes:

you're a grown man.

Also, the Democrats are not particularly left-wing.

While the Democrats are not as Left-Wing as those in Europe, they are definitely left-wing in America’s relatively conservative politics.

To answer the question, the rank and file Democrat is not sinister by any means, simply misguided. However, the leaders of the party are certainly sinister as in,

3. Attended by or causing disaster or inauspicious circumstances.

By giving handouts to poor urban communities, so they get their votes, they ultimately hurt them. The reason that blacks in the US are still, on average, poor is because of the Democrats, who have convinced them they aren’t good enough to get a job without government programs like affirmative action and who erase the initiative to work through the afore mentioned handouts. I would call this "causing disaster".

Do you mean they are not left but they are not as right as the Republicans are? :D

Pretty much.

Pretty much. If Satan became the GOP's candidate, The ghost of Hitler would become the DNC's candidate because, the logic goes, if you nominate Christ then some people will say I'm not as pro-hellfire and brimstone as Satan is, but I'm not going to vote for one of those tax and spend bleeding-heart long-haired liberal hippie types. If you nominate Hitler then you get all the people who would have voted for Christ, had he been an option, but you also get all those middle-of-the-road types who don't want to burn forever in a lake of molten sulpher, but don't want their tax dollars to help people.

Anyone who doesn't want to vote for Satan would vote for Hitler because he's not as bad as Satan, but then the Republicans would say that Democrats suck because the only reason they have to vote for Hitler is that he's not Satan, and Satan can't be that much worse than Hitler if the only reason anyone is willing to vote for Hitler is that he's not Satan. So Satan may be worse than Hitler, but at least he's decicive. Not one of those limp wristed "I can be evil too fellas," that's just trying to win you over by pretending to be evil and then doing things that reduce the unemployment rate or trying to improve medicine once he gets elected.

By giving handouts to poor urban communities, so they get their votes, they ultimately hurt them. The reason that blacks in the US are still, on average, poor is because of the Democrats, who have convinced them they aren’t good enough to get a job without government programs like affirmative action and who erase the initiative to work through the afore mentioned handouts. I would call this "causing disaster".

Yes, if they'd vote for the "States' Rights" party of the GOP then their lot would improve instantly. Note I say "States' Rights" as opposed to states' rights, because when the GOP say states' rights they're actually using a code that means "states have the right to enact racist laws promoting segregation I think that the Democrats civil rights legislation is unconstitutional, but I can't say that because the liberal media will call me a racist just because I'm trying to pass legislation that all you racist rednecks will like so vote for me because we both know what I'm talking about, I certainly don't favor states rights when it comes to things like freedom or commerce, we're flagrantly pro-federalist there, but racism, that's a whole different bag baby."

See? The Republicans really are economic conservatives. That whole paragraph succinctly presented with the phrase "States' Rights ;) "

While the Democrats are not as Left-Wing as those in Europe, they are definitely left-wing in America’s relatively conservative politics.

To answer the question, the rank and file Democrat is not sinister by any means, simply misguided.

I couldn't agree more. The average Democrat has been completly bamboozled into thinking that the average Republican is just a well meaning person who wants what's best for the people of the USA. It will not be until Democrats realize that it takes horrendous amounts of malice and ignorance to make a person a Republican that they will realize that compromise with them is not an option. Reasonable people of good will but differing perspectives can come to amicable solutions. Republicans and humans can't.

Yes, if they'd vote for the "States' Rights" party of the GOP then their lot would improve instantly. Note I say "States' Rights" as opposed to states' rights, because when the GOP say states' rights they're actually using a code that means "states have the right to enact racist laws promoting segregation I think that the Democrats civil rights legislation is unconstitutional, but I can't say that because the liberal media will call me a racist just because I'm trying to pass legislation that all you racist rednecks will like so vote for me because we both know what I'm talking about, I certainly don't favor states rights when it comes to things like freedom or commerce, we're flagrantly pro-federalist there, but racism, that's a whole different bag baby."

See? The Republicans really are economic conservatives. That whole paragraph succinctly presented with the phrase "States' Rights "

Oy. You do know that it was Democrats who were the segregationists right? I’m sure you also knew that roughly 90% of federal Republican favored civil rights legislation throughout the movements of the late-50s and 60’s. Ignorance, I swear.

I couldn't agree more. The average Democrat has been completly bamboozled into thinking that the average Republican is just a well meaning person who wants what's best for the people of the USA. It will not be until Democrats realize that it takes horrendous amounts of malice and ignorance to make a person a Republican that they will realize that compromise with them is not an option. Reasonable people of good will but differing perspectives can come to amicable solutions. Republicans and humans can't.

Howard Dean, much?

I couldn't agree more. The average Democrat has been completly bamboozled into thinking that the average Republican is just a well meaning person who wants what's best for the people of the USA. It will not be until Democrats realize that it takes horrendous amounts of malice and ignorance to make a person a Republican that they will realize that compromise with them is not an option. Reasonable people of good will but differing perspectives can come to amicable solutions. Republicans and humans can't.

Are you implying that republicans are evil? That republicans bad-mouth democrats?

*points to Howard Dean*

I swear, Howard Dean is sending the dems straight down the tubes.

Oy. You do know that it was Democrats who were the segregationists right? I’m sure you also knew that roughly 90% of federal Republican favored civil rights legislation throughout the movements of the late-50s and 60’s. Ignorance, I swear.

This is one of my favorite pieces of Republican propaganda. The democrats you're speaking of are what we now call Dixiecrats. People like Strom Thurmond who since switched to the more racist friendly Republican party. LBJ predicted once the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act they would "loose the South for a generation." And he was right. Ever since, the South has refused to vote for Democrats for president.

The code I was refering to was Reagan era political propoganda.



Howard Dean, much?

Na. I think he's a bit more soft spoken than I am. He still thinks that rank and file Republicans are just being mislead by the Republican political leadership. I think all republicans are a lost cause. All that's to be done now is create a rift between the Christian conservatives and the fiscal anarchists and try to drive the Christian conservatives to the Constitution party, because "evil contains the seeds of its own destruction."

Are you implying that republicans are evil? That republicans bad-mouth democrats?

*points to Howard Dean*

I swear, Howard Dean is sending the dems straight down the tubes.

I'm not implying it. I'm saying it outright. Republicans are evil. If you vote republican in general, you may be either evil, or too stupid to know you're evil. If you vote the republican party line then you can't possibly be stupid enough to account for your vote with any claim to virtue. Some amount of evil is required.

E.g. Jessica Simpson. She's so stupid that she can't tell if tunafish is either a fish or a bird, and thinks that buffalo wings are made with buffalo meat, from the wing of a buffallo. That's not stupid enough to make her support Bush on its own. She's also nasty enough of a shrew that she takes explicit joy in the fact that she can own brand name gear that other people can't.

Dean does bad mouth republicans, but that's because when talking about republicans you have two choices. Bad mouth them, or lie about them. He opts for honesty. Republicans bad mouth Democrats, but they usually lie to do it. Either by lying about what the Democrats do, or lying that they don't do it too.

BTW. When the mainstream media is trying to make a Democrat look bad you can rest assured that he is the last best hope for a brighter future. If you want to know what an army's strong point is, look for what its enemy is trying to destroy.

i dont know about sinister but the damned party is full of SEXEGENARIANS

ted kennedy was a long time sexegenarian but has since "reformed"

*shudder*

I don't know about democrats, but lefties can't be too sinister...otherwise Ned Flanders wouldn't have a Lefties Store.

Is Ned Flanders a Democrat?

I don't know about democrats, but lefties can't be too sinister...otherwise Ned Flanders wouldn't have a Lefties Store.

Is Ned Flanders a Democrat?

He is if you want him to be.

but in Russia the Left are the conservatives, not the Liberals!!! that must mean the conservatives are equally sinister!!!! when unbalanced by the other side


LEFT HANDED AND PROUD!!!!

Pretty much.

Pretty much. If Satan became the GOP's candidate, The ghost of Hitler would become the DNC's candidate because, the logic goes, if you nominate Christ then some people will say I'm not as pro-hellfire and brimstone as Satan is, but I'm not going to vote for one of those tax and spend bleeding-heart long-haired liberal hippie types. If you nominate Hitler then you get all the people who would have voted for Christ, had he been an option, but you also get all those middle-of-the-road types who don't want to burn forever in a lake of molten sulpher, but don't want their tax dollars to help people.

Anyone who doesn't want to vote for Satan would vote for Hitler because he's not as bad as Satan, but then the Republicans would say that Democrats suck because the only reason they have to vote for Hitler is that he's not Satan, and Satan can't be that much worse than Hitler if the only reason anyone is willing to vote for Hitler is that he's not Satan. So Satan may be worse than Hitler, but at least he's decicive. Not one of those limp wristed "I can be evil too fellas," that's just trying to win you over by pretending to be evil and then doing things that reduce the unemployment rate or trying to improve medicine once he gets elected.

Very logical Mr. Spock...uh...er...Domici.

me


That walrus looks very demanding.

LBJ predicted once the Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act they would "loose the South for a generation." And he was right. Ever since, the South has refused to vote for Democrats for president.

I do beleive both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were democrats and served after LBJ. They also carried southern states.

I do beleive both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were democrats and served after LBJ. They also carried southern states.
They were Dixiecrats, if you ask me.....

The Democrats arent a left wing party, they're just slightly less right wing than the Republicans. And the left / right definition came from the French Revolution, whereas "Sinister" comes from Latin.

The Democrats arent a left wing party, they're just slightly less right wing than the Republicans. And the left / right definition came from the French Revolution, whereas "Sinister" comes from Latin.

If they are less right than the Republicans, does that make them wrong? :D

Republicans and humans can't.
:rolleyes:
Are you serious? Most Republicans are not evil.

*points to Howard Dean*

I swear, Howard Dean is sending the dems straight down the tubes.
Would you prfer a more docile, soft-spoken Democrat, such as those who have brought them such success recently?

Is Ned Flanders a Democrat?
Probably. He's a Jimmy Carter!

they're left wing, they're either very sinister, or very stupid... i would take the sinister approach

I read the first page and had to ask a question, do people think the democrats are left wing?

I read the first page and had to ask a question, do people think the democrats are left wing?

Read all three pages and you will find the answer.

:rolleyes:
Are you serious? Most Republicans are not evil.

I think if you check you'll see I said that it takes either stupidity or malice to make you a republican.

Eg. The death penalty. If you support it you must either be
A) Stupid enough to think that it will reduce murder rates, save money, and is implemented in a just fashion, or

B) Malicious enough that you know it will cost more tax payer money, put the police in more danger, inevitably lead to innocent people being put to death, and you still support it only because the thought of participating indirectly (through the democratic process) in the death of another human being appeals to a deep seeded sadistic impulse in you.

Most people who support the death penalty are probably some combination of the two where they like the idea of capital punishment, but if they really thought it through they would see how bad an idea it is. So they don't bother thinking it through.

I do beleive both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were democrats and served after LBJ. They also carried southern states.

Before LBJ and the Civil Rights act the South was pretty much a one party system. The Democrats have nowhere near that sort of power in the South anymore.

People like Strom Thurmond who since switched to the more racist friendly Republican party.

Yup those Republicans are racist friendly, but they actually have black cabinet members of some importance, and *gasp* one of them hispanics as AG. I'm glad the democrats finally have alot of blacks in their DNC, and all of the minorities that were in the Clinton cabinet. I'm also glad that Sheets Byrd is no longer a member of the Democrats. :rolleyes:

Seriously both political parties are old boys clubs.

Yup those Republicans are racist friendly, but they actually have black cabinet members of some importance, and *gasp* one of them hispanics as AG. I'm glad the democrats finally have alot of blacks in their DNC, and all of the minorities that were in the Clinton cabinet. I'm also glad that Sheets Byrd is no longer a member of the Democrats. :rolleyes:

Seriously both political parties are old boys clubs.

Yes, I suppose that some token efforts to look like you're not a raving psychopath means that you must be a decent guy deep down right? And the fact that for a significant portion of the end of his career he was little more than a figurehead running on a reputation of violent segregation and at his birthday party it was said in recent years that if he had one his bid for the presidency on the segregation ticket that "we wouldn't have all these problems that we have today."

I'm not saying that white people don't hold most of the power in both parties, but conservatives (Dixiecrats and Republicans) have, in the recent history of this country, been much more supportive of policies that promote and are promoted by intolerance. e.g. all the states that passed laws banning gay marriage, or even private agreements meant to duplicate the rights of marriage (POA's for example) were big republican states.

This cycle, the Republicans courted the Black vote not by favoring programs that help minorities, but by trying to turn Blacks against Gays. Last cycle Dubya beat out McCain by push polling and telling people that McCain had a black baby. Intolerance always wins the day at the GOP.

Intolerance always wins the day at the GOP.

Well at least they are winners.

This cycle, the Republicans courted the Black vote not by favoring programs that help minorities, but by trying to turn Blacks against Gays. Last cycle Dubya beat out McCain by push polling and telling people that McCain had a black baby. Intolerance always wins the day at the GOP.

I can never figure out where you come up with this crap.

I can never figure out where you come up with this crap.

I engage in a little used information gathering tactic. It's called paying some fucking attention.

Didn't you actually hear about the "polling" that went on where republicans were called up and asked "If you found out that John McCain had an illegitimate black child would that affect your vote in the Republican primaries?"

The question was actually in reference to McCain's adopted Bangledeshi orphan. Trusting to the stupidity and intolerance of the republican constituency Rove used the push polling question above to sabotage the McCain campaign.