NationStates Jolt Archive

Just curious to see who favours what console.
I have a Nintendo 64 which of course has the best game ever on it...Goldeneye.

XBox is superior to all other systems on the market today, I'm afraid. Best graphics, best games, best online play, best memory... I could go on, but I will generalize. XBox is teh pwn.

Personally I prefer a PC, but when it comes to gaming consoles, I quite like the PS2 and judging by the various things I've heard, I'll be fully backing the PS3 as well.

oh yeh i forgot the Xbox and the game cube. DAmn

goldeneye was a fantastic game... they don't make em like that anymoe :(
games these days are all about graphics and not enough about real revolutionary genre-defining ideas and gameplay, plus things look 'too real' to me a lot in modern games...
then again i'm a cynic;)


i favour the xbox of the current crop, but nothing beats the SNES!
not sure whether to get a xbox 360, ps3, or save up for an awesome gaming PC (my disollusionment with modern gaming is starting to end... yay!)


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wheres the xbox?

I would say that the PS2 is currently the best game console available.

wheres the xbox?
soz forgot to put it on. I've never played on one so i forgot it

XBox is superior to all other systems on the market today, I'm afraid. Best graphics, best games, best online play, best memory... I could go on, but I will generalize. XBox is teh pwn.

I agree. It's got a hard disk so you don't need to keep putting a memory card in. Plus you can store all your music on the hard disk and make custom soundtracks for the games. Also you can get it chipped and load games directly onto the Xbox and play them without the disk.

An Xbox looks and weighs as much as a toolbox, has zero good games, and a controller that I won't touch again.

The PS2 has a billion games, but only a few good ones, an effective and simple controller, and the Guilty Gear series.

The Gamecube has kiddie games, a controller that you can't play beat 'em ups with, but decent graphics and a nice price-tag.

The Dreamcast is my favorite console, because it has the best controller ever.

the problem with consoles is they don't really do strategy or management games, another reason to vote PC

An Xbox looks and weighs as much as a toolbox, has zero good games, and a controller that I won't touch again.

The PS2 has a billion games, but only a few good ones, an effective and simple controller, and the Guilty Gear series.

The Gamecube has kiddie games, a controller that you can't play beat 'em ups with, but decent graphics and a nice price-tag.

The Dreamcast is my favorite console, because it has the best controller ever.
in my view the xbox controller is a lot like the dreamcast one... in fact microsoft pretty much ripped off the design :p

and i hate it when people (especially a couple of my friends) complain that the xbox controller is "too big"
if thats the case you have small hands! :mad:
its fine for me. damn comforatble controller.


sorry i seem unable to string together a half coherent sentence right now :p

the problem with consoles is they don't really do strategy or management games, another reason to vote PC
once for the ps1, i had command and conquer: retaliation

An Xbox looks and weighs as much as a toolbox, has zero good games, and a controller that I won't touch again.

The PS2 has a billion games, but only a few good ones, an effective and simple controller, and the Guilty Gear series.

The Gamecube has kiddie games, a controller that you can't play beat 'em ups with, but decent graphics and a nice price-tag.

The Dreamcast is my favorite console, because it has the best controller ever.

The PS2 has a couple good games. XBox has an insane amount of good games, it just so happens that PS2 users have no idea about them. Halo 2. The Knights of the Old Republic series. Fable. Ghost Recon series. Project Gothem 2. Splinter Cell. Morrowind. And many more. As for the controller, I just use a Logitech wireless. Much sleeker.

oh yeh i forgot the Xbox and the game cube. DAmn
Arrgh

The PS2 has a couple good games. XBox has an insane amount of good games, it just so happens that PS2 users have no idea about them. Halo 2. The Knights of the Old Republic series. Fable. Ghost Recon series. Project Gothem 2. Splinter Cell. Morrowind. And many more. As for the controller, I just use a Logitech wireless. Much sleeker.

Knights Of The Old Republic - Available on PC
Ghost Recon - Available on PS2
Splinter Cell - Originally PS2 game
Morrowind - Originally PC game

Let's face it, Fable and Halo 2 are the only thing going for XBox, and they'll be out on PC soon

No games console will ever rival the SNES in sheer playability. It has the most raw gameplay of any other console developed before or since its time. You can have all the nice special effects, internet play, CD music and rumbly vibraty controllers you want, but you will never surpass the gameplay of games like Mario Kart and Donkey Kong Country- not to mention the great RPGs, from Secret of Mana to Final Fantasy VI.

Plus, I actually prefer the graphics of many of the 2D games (particularly the RPG's) to a lot of games out today. Realism and 3D special effects aren't always good...

That said, i'm primarily a PC gamer. It is the only platform that has consistently delivered something new and refreshing while also catering for a more intellectual style of play in the form of strategy games. Even if you look at a 5-6 year period (the maximum life of most consoles), the releases on PC will far outshine any console released in that period by leaps and bounds in terms of raw innovation...

It's worthy to note that many X-box hits, for example, were released first on PC or were ported reasonably quickly, or else they were rehashes of old PC hits. KOTOR is a Star Wars version of Neverwinter Nights (albeit an absolutely brilliant one, though it is also out on PC) and Halo is an updated version of Starseige: Tribes, with a single player component that in my opinion is inferior to the original Doom. And Morrowind, Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell were originally PC games...there are others, too.

PC all the way, even if it's not really a console.
For true consoles, it has to be the Amigas :D :D :D :D :D Oh, how I love my Amiga. It truly does have the best game ever - The New Zealand Story. You're a lil kiwi (bird, not fruit), and you go round rescuing all your kiwi mates from the clutches of the evil walrus...

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I agree with you completely. There are very few new ideas in gaming, and the best new ones are usually pushed out of the market.

The SNES can't be beat because of the games. The best games of the SNES were the most unique and re-playable games ever created. Contra, Metroid, Super Mario, Metal Slug, R-Type, Mega Man, etc. are still as fun to play today as they were when they were new. Since there was a low limit to the graphics, developers focused on making their graphics unique, instead of how accurate their gun models are. The old games are also difficult as all hell, and are great for anyone who wants a challenge. It also helps that the SNES controller is the base of almost every other controller since (except the Gamecube's, that thing is just wierd. It's surprising comfortable, though).

Out of all the current consoles, the PlayStation series is my favorite. It seems to attract the most new ideas of any console. The Grand Theft Auto series got it's start on the Playstation, which made the "open world" idea popular, and is now being endlessly copied. Metal Gear Solid also started on PlayStation, which was one of the first games to play like a movie, another thing that's being copied. I realize that both series are on the X-Box now, but without the PlayStations, they would have never existed.

KOTOR is a Star Wars version of Neverwinter Nights (albeit an absolutely brilliant one, though it is also out on PC) and Halo is an updated version of Starseige: Tribes KOTOR came out for PC first, IIRC. Agree with you on the brilliance of it, though. Bioware is probably one of the best developers out there right now. As for Halo, it can't even compare to Tribes. You move slower, the levels are smaller, the weapons aren't as good, and the idea of actual defense, strategy, and teamwork seem to have left the FPS genre forever. I miss my Spinfusor :(.

The Grand Theft Auto series got it's start on the Playstation, which made the "open world" idea popular, and is now being endlessly copied.

Actually, that too, was the PC- I bought GTA 1 when it first came out, and I do believe it was released before the PS version by several months :)

KOTOR came out for PC first, IIRC. Agree with you on the brilliance of it, though. Bioware is probably one of the best developers out there right now.

Agreed. I don't think they've had a dud release (though I could be wrong).

As for Halo, it can't even compare to Tribes. You move slower, the levels are smaller, the weapons aren't as good, and the idea of actual defense, strategy, and teamwork seem to have left the FPS genre forever. I miss my Spinfusor :(.

Definitely! The only interesting weapon in my opinion in Halo is the Needler...everything else seems to me to be very bland and unoriginal. Fair enough that you would have the standard assault rifle/shotgun/rocket launcher/etc., but did they have to make them look boring? Game developers need to look back to Origin's Crusader series released years ago on PC for ideas on what is a good and interesting weapon design.

The PS2 is the best gaming console ever. The X-Box is alright, but the lack of good games and a shite controller (in my opinion) have it trailing the PS2 by a long way.

And the PC isn't a console.

OMFG LOL ROFL LSD BBQ! XBOX SUX TEH BIG ONE!!!!1!!!!111

Now that I got that out, X Box has a number of good games that you can count with one hand. All the other great games are ports of systems from say, PS2 and of all things, the PC. Oh man, Metal Slug for X Box! All the power of a SNES game put into a new generation system! GTA 3 for X Box? I think I just creamed my pants with this amazing concept. An X Box is nothing more than a watered down PC that crashes less often. Woo, players can store music on the system's hard drive. Well, PC users have been able to do that since, Windows 95. If you count midi files, it's been since DOS. How revolutionary. I'll take a decent old-school game of Command and Conquer, Duke Nukem or Doom over most of that stuff any day.

<<Splinter Cell - Originally PS2 game>>

3 cheers for stupidity!!!

I voted DS. It's the first real innovation in gaming since the N64. OK so half the games are glorified GBA ports ATM but that'll change.

The PS2 is rubbish. Bad tech, bad controller, bad games.

The Xbox is pretty good. Solid specs some good games and a nice controller. Plus Xbox live.

The 'cube is the best. It may look kiddie but it has sme pretty 'adult' games. Resident Evil 4 anyone? Also, it's got some incredible specs for something that small and light.

The PSP is a portable PS2. Not really interesting.

PC's are OK (Great for RTS games) but they have two huge drawbacks. One, they are fucking EXPENSIVE. To match the next-gen consoles would cost thousands of pounds. Second, they are prone to fucking up for no apparent reason. No PC I hve ever had has reliably played the games I use it for (and trust me, they are well in spec). Also, playing FPS games on them is really uncomfortable and counter-intuitive without a dozen buttons on your mouse.

P.C. All the way.

It has had some of the best games of all time pass it's way (Half-Life beats Halo), and older consoles (SNES et cetera) can be emulated onto a P.C. Brilliance.

Even though DC was good (a true revolution), and I love the fact you can install Linux on an X-box.

Also, playing FPS games on them is really uncomfortable and counter-intuitive without a dozen buttons on your mouse.
FPSs are made for PC, in my opinion. WASD works well for movement, and aiming with the mouse feels a lot more natural than the thumbstick. To each his own, I suppose.

FPSs are made for PC, in my opinion. WASD works well for movement, and aiming with the mouse feels a lot more natural than the thumbstick. To each his own, I suppose.

True. I again point to Half-Life, the greatest FPS ever.

FPSs are made for PC, in my opinion. WASD works well for movement, and aiming with the mouse feels a lot more natural than the thumbstick. To each his own, I suppose.

Moving fine. Shooting fine, it's the things like ducking and jumping (FPS jumping is hard at the best of times, Metroid Prime is the only FPS to make it work)

<<True. I again point to Half-Life, the greatest FPS ever.>>

Half-life is a great game (when the bastard works) but the jumping puzzle (there may be more than one, I only reached one so far) nearly made me quit because the controls were so awkward.

Moving fine. Shooting fine, it's the things like ducking and jumping (FPS jumping is hard at the best of times, Metroid Prime is the only FPS to make it work)

I suppose that is true. When you try to do something like reload or jump that involves the keyboard, you can miss and really screw up.

one, they are fucking EXPENSIVE. To match the next-gen consoles would cost thousands of pounds.

Wow, where do you live? Some British controlled island in the middle of nowhere? I can build a kick ass system for about the price of a PS2 and XBox combined. Give or take what parts I already have. And I can write my research papers, run databases, check my e-mail, stocks, bank account and frag the other guy. All in one machine.

Half-life is a great game (when the bastard works) but the jumping puzzle (there may be more than one, I only reached one so far) nearly made me quit because the controls were so awkward.

True, jumping in HL is akward at the best of times (see above), but you get it eventually.

Only reached the first jumping puzzle and already you hate it? Man, just wait until you reach Xen, then you really gonna be in some trouble.

True, jumping in HL is akward at the best of times (see above), but you get it eventually.

Momentum and mouse viewing are a bitch when jumping. :)

I like the Gamecube best. Why? Resident Evil 4. Metroid Prime. Super Smash Bros. Melee. Those who say that the 'Cube is a kiddie console obviously ignored most of the games. Nintendo sees no need to focus on blood or nudity. They know that people would rather get porn for free on the internet than pay $50 for it. Plus, why put blood in a boring game when they can focus on making a game people play because they like to? Quality over quantity. 100 good games>1 million bad games. Yes, I'm looking at you, overhyped GTA games. If I want to be able to explore the world freely, I can always play Zelda.

True, jumping in HL is akward at the best of times (see above), but you get it eventually.

Only reached the first jumping puzzle and already you hate it? Man, just wait until you reach Xen, then you really gonna be in some trouble.

I suck at gaming TBH. Those cyclops buggers give me trouble. Some games I can cmplete. FPS games do not tend to be on this list. I still enjoy it, I just don't complete many games.

Actually, that too, was the PC- I bought GTA 1 when it first came out, and I do believe it was released before the PS version by several months :)

indeed it did.
and did GTA2 even come out for the PS?



http://www.rockstargames.com/classics/

Who cares. it roxxors my PC.

PC's are OK (Great for RTS games) but they have two huge drawbacks. One, they are fucking EXPENSIVE. To match the next-gen consoles would cost thousands of pounds. Second, they are prone to fucking up for no apparent reason. No PC I hve ever had has reliably played the games I use it for (and trust me, they are well in spec). Also, playing FPS games on them is really uncomfortable and counter-intuitive without a dozen buttons on your mouse.

They aren't that expensive. I am building myself a new PC- it will cost roughly the price of two X-boxes, and is up to date (though admittedly, no beast). It will last me at least 2 years of being able to play new releases at high levels of detail, and will only really need replacing after 4. About the life of a console, but it is far more versatile. And i'd say the fucking up is more of a software problem than anything. (namely, windows...we're all familiar with the blue screen of death, but some games are simply very buggy and need patching.)

We only have the ORIGINAL first Nintendo! Ask us about Commodore and Atari :D As a matter of fact, my husband plays Super Techmo Bowl almost every day on that old Nintendo! :rolleyes:

I was just thinking about getting a playstation 2 last night. I haven't played video games in eons.

I used to get hypnotized by Tetris. Sometimes 8 hours straight! It wasn't just me... it happened to some of my friends too. :p

I always liked Zelda. :)

and did GTA2 even come out for the PS?

I don't think it did, actually!

*looks at banner ad*

...Prey...huh? I thought that was cancelled...

*reads article*

:eek: Awesome! I was looking forward to that game...like...7 years ago. :D

I was just thinking about getting a playstation 2 last night. I haven't played video games in eons.>>

DONT!!!

Seriousy. Wait until next year and the Revolution comes out. You can download any Nintendo game onto it, that way you get great console and all the golden oldie games too!

<< used to get hypnotized by Tetris. Sometimes 8 hours straight! It wasn't just me... it happened to some of my friends too.

I always liked Zelda. >>

Don't all real videogame fans?

summary: pcs are more expensive but versatile, consoles are easy but limited.

at least you can upgrade pcs too


and how can anyone say the keyboard & mouse combo is counter-intuitive for FPS?!? keyboard n mouse pwn console controllers in terms of ease of use and accuracy

summary: pcs are more expensive but versatile, consoles are easy but limited.

at least you can upgrade pcs too


and how can anyone say the keyboard & mouse combo is counter-intuitive for FPS?!? keyboard n mouse pwn console controllers in terms of ease of use and accuracy

Consoles play more types of game. Platformers, 3d-action games and the like are far better on console.

Also, the stickvmouse thing is mostly a problem with jumping and crouching quickly. I can move far more intuitively with sticks but hit more reliably with mouse.

Consoles play more types of game. Platformers, 3d-action games and the like are far better on console.

Also, the stickvmouse thing is mostly a problem with jumping and crouching quickly. I can move far more intuitively with sticks but hit more reliably with mouse.

Why are they far better? You can buy gamepads for PC that give all the advantages of any console...

I am a PC gamer to the max. I have not played anything else for years. I voted for N64 though, why not the PC?

PC is NOT a console, they are all gaming platforms, but they are not all consoles. That is like saying a jet fighter and a battleship are the same thing.

and how can anyone say the keyboard & mouse combo is counter-intuitive for FPS?!? keyboard n mouse pwn console controllers in terms of ease of use and accuracy

Agreed.

The mouse is especially handy for sniping, but if you just run forward and shoot all ye who cross your path a controller is just as handy.

Consoles play more types of game. Platformers, 3d-action games and the like are far better on console.

Also, the stickvmouse thing is mostly a problem with jumping and crouching quickly. I can move far more intuitively with sticks but hit more reliably with mouse.
i would argue that the same type of games come out on pcs as with consoles, but, firstly, not the other way around (there are almost no RTS or managment games on consoles, unless you count football manager games... which i don't ;))
while on the pc there are platformers, though their number is decreasing as of late (i remember those great old days of Lomax... ah nostalgia... *distant stare*)

second the console controller is better for platformers, yes, but that's about it.
and personally i don't play platformers, so as far as i'm concerned keyboard&mouse are unsupassed



edit: and by consoles being "limited" i meant you can't surf the net, write documents, make websites, engage in a spot of desktop publishing, etc on consoles, unlike the versatility of the PC

I don't like sheeling out cash just to get my computer ready to play the latest games. I prefer consoles for gaming. You buy the console and the games and that's it.

I don't like sheeling out cash just to get my computer ready to play the latest games. I prefer consoles for gaming. You buy the console and the games and that's it.

But then, you have to buy a new console every couple of years anyway when it goes out of date...and possibly a new gamepad so you can play with a friend...maybe an internet account for it too...oh, and that nifty remote control that turns the Xbox into a DVD player....

...and so on.

PS2 is the best console...Smaller, sleeker, sexier, better controller, equal graphics to the Xbox (trust me its true, they both use 256bit graphics cards!) and of course its Playstation so the there are more games and it is backwards compatiable with the classics.

HOWEVER...for gaming, PC wins by miles! PC is much much much faster with better graphics, ease of use and upgradeability. Also, games designed for the PC will always be better than games designed for console because developers have alot more disk space to work with (PS2 and Xbox are limited to 4.7Gb, PC has a WHOLE Harddisk...500Gb?) so the graphics (textures and scenary) will be better, as will the gameplay.

I have a good gaming PC, it was not that expensive, about £1500 (not bad when you look at gaming PCs like Dell XPS whcih cannot compare to the speed of this one at the time!)

AMD Athlon XP 2400+ (running 2010Mhz)
Gigabyte GA7N-400Pro 2 Nvidia Nforce 2Ultra 400
Corsair 512Mb DDR PC3200 (dual channel)
XFX Nvidia GeforceFX5950 Ultra 256Mb AGP VIVO DVI
Thermaltake Butterfly 480W PSU (MUST have if you want a gaming system, stable, high quality Power supply is a must (something you don't get with bought PCs, except maybe Alienware)

Creative Audigy ZS 7.1 (w/7.1 Digital Surround speakers...so good in HL2 and Doom3!)
DVDRW, DVDROM, WIFI, IEEE1394, USB2.0, etc.


This cost me about £1500 2 years ago, with regular maintenance, it can still play Doom3 and HL2 on 'High' Settings @ 1024x768, FS2004 runs on max settings, as does CFS3. Not too expensive to get a very good gaming platform that will last! All you have to get is decent hardware with XP Pro!

PC will beat console any time, but out of consoles it is defo the PS2

Graham Harvey

PS Did i mention that you have to PAY to go on Xbox Live? PS2 is free...

<<But then, you have to buy a new console every couple of years anyway when it goes out of date...and possibly a new gamepad so you can play with a friend...maybe an internet account for it too...oh, and that nifty remote control that turns the Xbox into a DVD player....>>

How much is a console and 4 gamepads when compared with 4 PC's? Not a lot. If I want a DVD player I'll get one for 50 quid and it'll outlast my console by years.

Consoles are replaced every 4 years or so. Given that Nintendo do consoles quite cheap (130 pounds for GC 200 pounds> predicted for the Revolution) I'm onto a winner.

<<PS2 is the best console...Smaller, sleeker, sexier, better controller, equal graphics to the Xbox (trust me its true, they both use 256bit graphics cards!) and of course its Playstation so the there are more games and it is backwards compatiable with the classics.>>

There's only about 2 classics (FFVII and, um, well there's gotta be something). Also, take a look at the Resi4 screens for PS2. Far worse than on GC and Xbox>GC for graphics. graphics cards aren't the be-all of graphics, processors are just as important.

It's larger than GC. Butt-ugly and with no concept of ergonomics.

Where is X-Box on this list you evil nintendo user!!!

heh, just for the record, if xboxes are now shipped with 4.7gig HDs, i got one of the early ones with a 10gig HD :D

my PC rig is pretty decent (Athlon 64 3000+, GeForce FX5950, etc) but it just doesn't run things right, which is why i want that Dell laptop (see page 1 of the thread for a piccy ;))
there was actually a report of a whole load (a million or so) of duff Athlon64 chips from AMD's testing facility being accidentally released into general circulation. i'm pretty sure i've got one of those cos my PC loves to restart randomly, worse than my last PC, and actually runs slower for many programs than my last Athlon 2400 PC :mad:

edit: built it myself, costing about £450, using my old screen, speakers and soundcard (Audigy 2)... only a bit more than most consoles when first released, and a LOT cheaper than that Dell laptop (about £2500!! :eek: )

Where is X-Box on this list you evil nintendo user!!!

I think thats been covered 4 pages back! lol

Graham Harvey

heh, just for the record, if xboxes are now shipped with 4.7gig HDs, i got one of the early ones with a 10gig HD :D

my PC rig is pretty decent (Athlon 64 3000+, GeForce FX5950, etc) but it just doesn't run things right, which is why i want that Dell laptop (see page 1 of the thread for a piccy ;))
there was actually a report of a whole load (a million or so) of duff Athlon64 chips from AMD's testing facility being accidentally released into general circulation. i'm pretty sure i've got one of those cos my PC loves to restart randomly, worse than my last PC, and actually runs slower for many programs than my last Athlon 2400 PC :mad:

Contact the OEM, that don't sound right, have you checked for conflicts/virus'?

Possible you got a dodgy CPU, what are the temps is it overheating? (search Motherboard Monitor 5 in Google to get a temp reader)

Graham Harvey

PS I don't know hw big the HDD are on the Xbox, probs still 10Gb, i was referring to the size of a DVDROM and the fact that developers are limited by that, unlike so much in PCs.

I think thats been covered 4 pages back! lol

Graham Harvey

lol, I gotta stop being lazy :(

Contact the OEM, that don't sound right, have you checked for conflicts/virus'?

Possible you got a dodgy CPU, what are the temps is it overheating? (search Motherboard Monitor 5 in Google to get a temp reader)

Graham Harvey
doesn't seem to crash at any specific temperature, just random processor-intensive ops (will run for days if i'm just browsing the net of course)

no viruses - can be pretty sure of that cos my HD failed a few weeks back so i'm running a new install of winxp on the same machine, and it still does it.
and no conflicts that i can tell


if i built it myself can i contact AMD about it?



then again, not getting this fixed would give me a pretty good excuse to save up & get that laptop *drools* :D

I was just thinking about getting a playstation 2 last night. I haven't played video games in eons.>>

DONT!!!

Seriousy. Wait until next year and the Revolution comes out. You can download any Nintendo game onto it, that way you get great console and all the golden oldie games too!

<< used to get hypnotized by Tetris. Sometimes 8 hours straight! It wasn't just me... it happened to some of my friends too.

I always liked Zelda. >>

Don't all real videogame fans?

Revolution, huh... good enough. I'm not in any big hurry. Mr. H. is content w/the first generation Nintendo and Super Techmo Bowl... :rolleyes: :p :D

How much is a console and 4 gamepads when compared with 4 PC's? Not a lot. If I want a DVD player I'll get one for 50 quid and it'll outlast my console by years.

Consoles are replaced every 4 years or so. Given that Nintendo do consoles quite cheap (130 pounds for GC 200 pounds> predicted for the Revolution) I'm onto a winner.

200 pounds is about $600 here...actually, somewhat more than that, I believe. Throw in the cost of gamepads and it goes up further.

My new computer is going to cost me around $900, it will last me just as long, and can do far more things with it that justifies the small price increase. Plus, I still have my gamepad, steering wheel and joystick that I bought years ago and have survived two different PCs before...consider that the gamepads will be throwaway when you get a new console.

Even though I still say the P.C is the best game machine, there is one major disadvantage.

Patches.

But, hang on, you may say, aren't patches good? If the developers make mistakes, a patch can be released that sorts it, right?

That is exactly why it is a flaw.

Console games can't be patched, so they need to be perfect. P.C games, however, can recieve patches later, so the developers are lazy.

Some mistakes I can understand them making, like small bugs on the rooftop of a building that mean the sky turns orange despite the fact you never need to go there, but some bugs are so obvious you wonder if that person is still on the company's payroll.

doesn't seem to crash at any specific temperature, just random processor-intensive ops (will run for days if i'm just browsing the net of course)

no viruses - can be pretty sure of that cos my HD failed a few weeks back so i'm running a new install of winxp on the same machine, and it still does it.
and no conflicts that i can tell


if i built it myself can i contact AMD about it?



then again, not getting this fixed would give me a pretty good excuse to save up & get that laptop *drools* :D

Then it is definately Hardware related if it is a fresh install! Yes, you can still contact AMD if it is custom built, is it under 1 years old?

Did you buy all the componants or did you get them from a shop...did a shop put it together for you?

Sounds like it is mobo or CPU related, but obviously it is hard to make a judgement as i am not actually there lol!

Graham Harvey

PS If you want more help on this you can go here

http://forums.flightsim.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=7

This is a dedicated PC forum, with lots of geeks and nerds who know way too much about computers, but should be able to help!

Dreamcast! :D

KOTOR came out for PC first

Actually, it came out for x-box several months before the PC realise (SP).

As no-one has said it at this point, I shall.

The P.C rules as quite simply it is the only system where you can play NationStates.

There, I said it, happy?

As no-one has said it at this point, I shall.

The P.C rules as quite simply it is the only system where you can play NationStates.

There, I said it, happy?

Actually I think the Xbox can. If it can't odds are the 360 will.

Then it is definately Hardware related if it is a fresh install! Yes, you can still contact AMD if it is custom built, is it under 1 years old?

Did you buy all the componants or did you get them from a shop...did a shop put it together for you?

Sounds like it is mobo or CPU related, but obviously it is hard to make a judgement as i am not actually there lol!

Graham Harvey
heh, thanks for the advice... i think it might just be a month or so off being a year old, so i'll look into it with AMD (always thought they didn't deal with self-builds, see)

well it wasn't exactly a self build - i got a motherboard bundle from Novatech (comprising motherboard, ram and cpu), but their customer service is appaling to say the least... i mean they formatted my HD for no reason, without telling me, trying to fix a totally unrelated hardware problem a few years back. it i need to get their help i'd rather stick with a buggy system than loose everything again! (thankfully most of my unreplacable files i lost when the HD failed last month were on my second drive. still annoying though :mad: )


this is precisely why consoles are so much easier & less hastle... ;)

Actually I think the Xbox can. If it can't odds are the 360 will.

Never knew that.I thought all you could do with the X-box is link together to play X-box games.

Is anyone out there playing this game with an X-box?

Even though I still say the P.C is the best game machine, there is one major disadvantage.

Patches.

But, hang on, you may say, aren't patches good? If the developers make mistakes, a patch can be released that sorts it, right?

That is exactly why it is a flaw.

Console games can't be patched, so they need to be perfect. P.C games, however, can recieve patches later, so the developers are lazy.

Some mistakes I can understand them making, like small bugs on the rooftop of a building that mean the sky turns orange despite the fact you never need to go there, but some bugs are so obvious you wonder if that person is still on the company's payroll.

True...

Yet, patches can also be a blessing in that they can be modifications for games...you could turn Half Life into a Vietnam War sim.

Never knew that.I thought all you could do with the X-box is link together to play X-box games.

Is anyone out there playing this game with an X-box?

You can't browse the internet (currently) with X-box live, so no. Your original thought was correct. :)

True...

Yet, patches can also be a blessing in that they can be modifications for games...you could turn Half Life into a Vietnam War sim.

Wow, never thought of it like that!

Vietnam with the Hornet Hand! Yay!

Excuse me, I need to change my undergarments.

:headbang: heh, thanks for the advice... i think it might just be a month or so off being a year old, so i'll look into it with AMD (always thought they didn't deal with self-builds, see)

well it wasn't exactly a self build - i got a motherboard bundle from Novatech (comprising motherboard, ram and cpu), but their customer service is appaling to say the least... i mean they formatted my HD for no reason, without telling me, trying to fix a totally unrelated hardware problem a few years back. it i need to get their help i'd rather stick with a buggy system than loose everything again! (thankfully most of my unreplacable files i lost when the HD failed last month were on my second drive. still annoying though :mad: )


this is precisely why consoles are so much easier & less hastle... ;)

Yeah, COnsoles are much easier and more reliable! But when the PC works, its better i think!

Contact AMD and the Mobo manufacturer, you never know, it could be a recurring problem and there is an update/flash to fix it...happy thoughts ;)

Why do PCs always make you feel like doing this :headbang:? lol

Good Luck

Go to this forum if you get stuck or need help!

http://forums.flightsim.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=7

Graham Harvey

True...

Yet, patches can also be a blessing in that they can be modifications for games...you could turn Half Life into a Vietnam War sim.
another eg: there's a bunch of modders turning Rome Total War into a Napoleonic war game! :cool: :)

another eg: there's a bunch of modders turning Rome Total War into a Napoleonic war game! :cool: :)

The Zodiak mod'll be better. It's WARHAMMER!!!

That is an advantage to PCs ATM. Good mods can really enhance a game.

in the xbox vs ps2 debate, i have to say the xbox wins hands down. i never understood all the fuss about the controller, i think its like the dreamcast one, perfect. the graphics seem to be better than the ps2 as well. the games are brilliant (although i havent played many ps2 games so i cant compare it) and ive played xbox live at a freinds, which was fantastic. the xbox is definitely the best current console.

but, the best console i think was the dreamcast. ive still got mine and my brothers old one, we go back to playing old games like 'red dog' every so often. fantastic fun.

:headbang:

Yeah, COnsoles are much easier and more reliable! But when the PC works, its better i think!

Contact AMD and the Mobo manufacturer, you never know, it could be a recurring problem and there is an update/flash to fix it...happy thoughts ;)

Why do PCs always make you feel like doing this :headbang:? lol

Good Luck

Go to this forum if you get stuck or need help!

http://forums.flightsim.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=7

Graham Harvey
thanks! :)
*crosses fingers*

and PCs have ALWAYS made me want to break things... i've been described by a number of people as a "power user" (read: impatient ;)) and everyone says i have a knack for breaking technology! could make a fortune as a tester in california! :p

thanks! :)
*crosses fingers*

and PCs have ALWAYS made me want to break things... i've been described by a number of people as a "power user" (read: impatient ;)) and everyone says i have a knack for breaking technology! could make a fortune as a tester in california! :p

I know what you mean! The amount of monitors i have thrown out the window, bloody things, I guess we find it annoying because we find PCs so useful, and are frustrated when they don't work!

*fingers crossed*

Have fun emailing and fiddling, i'm off to get a life! lol!!!

See yeh!

Graham Harvey

I will try to list one pro and one con for each console currently out now;

P.C pro: Mods can enhance gameplay.
P.C con: Patches leads to developer laziness.

PS2 pro: Can play all those brilliant PS1 games, as well as the good PS2 ones.
PS2 con: In terms of technology, it doesn't really beat X-box or P.C.

X-box pro: X-box Live lets you play Halo 2 with all your friends.
X-box con: Needs to work hard to defeat Sonys' reputation.

DS pro: Touch-screen is revolutionary.
DS con: Few good games at this point.

Gamecube pro: Cheaper than others, yet still has good games.
Gamecube con: Seen as a kiddie console.

If I have forgotten consoles, please let me know.

X-box sucks, the controller is bigger than a dreamcast for crying out loud! All the games either A.suck(although most ps2 games suck more)or B.Are out for another console, especially the pc. Yes, the x-box can do better graphics and yes, it has a big cpu, the hardware is good. The software... meh... isn't as good. I've played on an x-box before, every time I felt like I was using a brick to play games, I even played halo, which is a VERY good game. That said, buying an x-box would be useful for you know, better graphics and such, except...

IT DOESN'T MATTER!

Sure, you can have cooler flame effects and sure, the cars look better(ect.) but does that make the games better to play? No, it doesn't.

Even then, an x-box wouldn't be a bad investment, just not the best(Can you play Katamari Damacy on an x-box? No, what good is it then? jk)just not the best(a good pc is) but here comes why I love pc's and will buy a revolution(there's two reasons really)

1.When I buy a "videogaming machine" I expect it to... PLAY VIDEOGAMES! (note: playing dvds is ok). I didn't buy a jpg viewer! Why the heck would I buy a console to view jpgs? Or listen to music (putting it into 4 games is kinda cool, but again, it doesn't make the gameplay better) If I wanted that, I'd buy... gasp.. a pc!

2.Why should I pay for online play? I got an idea of how to do it. Simple, take.. ohh... x-box live. 5 bucks a month to get online play and some free stuff. To make it free, try doing this.

Player has pc+player likes game-Player using pc=Player hosts server!

WOW! Have players use their pc to run servers! Its easy!

But wait, want to give away things like patches? You have two options, one is well...already done!It's called "Steam" and it works.. poorly. However, you could run a service like steam, and sell all the games online, auto-updates for every game, plus more money to developers so they can make better games! Just run it over ervy single x-box 360 or whatever. Or, you could set up a single server, realease stuff to like 500 people, and then run a p2p service on every 360! Bam! Heck, you moniter the service to keep it "clean"

And finally, am I the only one who thinks the 360 looks stupid? It looks like a plastic trinket your grandparents have that you hate. And custom faceplates don't cut it. Ever heard of, PAINT? And a cover? So the thing don't break.

And just to end this trama
http://maddox.xmission.com/xbox_suckit.html

The Super Nintendo. What other console has many games which could be considered the best ever? Like Chrono Trigger, EarthBound, et cetera.

Then, the Nintendo Entertainment System. More great games. And after that, comes the Genesis. Yes, there were Sega consoles before the Dreamcast.

Out of today's consoles, the GameCube and Xbox are the best. Despite what people think, the GameCube is NOT kiddy and the Xbox does NOT have a big controller.

PS1,it aint good anymore but it has TEH Final Fantasy VII-IX :) and they ROCK!

The Super Nintendo. What other console has many games which could be considered the best ever? Like Chrono Trigger, EarthBound, et cetera.

Then, the Nintendo Entertainment System. More great games. And after that, comes the Genesis. Yes, there were Sega consoles before the Dreamcast.

Out of today's consoles, the GameCube and Xbox are the best.
what is this Super nintendo i've heard of it but not seen it; but i have the 64

what is this Super nintendo i've heard of it but not seen it; but i have the 64

Here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo)

PS1,it aint good anymore but it has TEH Final Fantasy VII-IX :) and they ROCK!

You can also buy them for the P.C, however.

With the P.C you can also play Final Fantasy I-IV as well, via emulation.

You can also play Chrono Trigger with the emulator, and it was far better than Final Fantasy I-IV.

The Super Nintendo (AKA SNES) looks like a smaller, blockier N64 and was the predecessor to the N64. It only really played 2d games but a lot of them were great. I refer the N64 myself (Mario 64 plus the Zelda games, not to mention Body Harvest and the like).

The Super Nintendo (AKA SNES) looks like a smaller, blockier N64 and was the predecessor to the N64. It only really played 2d games but a lot of them were great. I refer the N64 myself (Mario 64 plus the Zelda games, not to mention Body Harvest and the like).

Sounds like your trying to compare the SNES with the N64.

Might as well compare a carrot to a tree.

The Super Nintendo (AKA SNES) looks like a smaller, blockier N64 and was the predecessor to the N64. It only really played 2d games but a lot of them were great. I refer the N64 myself (Mario 64 plus the Zelda games, not to mention Body Harvest and the like).
I had mario 64 (i still do) its great

Say, any1 ever play really old nes games? Some of them are quite fun, likie the original marios and links and such. Besides those, any1 got any favs?

PS2 is the dogs bollocks, however, a PC is best for strategy gaming.

Say, any1 ever play really old nes games? Some of them are quite fun, likie the original marios and links and such. Besides those, any1 got any favs?

Duck Hunt! :D

The Super Nintendo (AKA SNES) looks like a smaller, blockier N64 and was the predecessor to the N64. It only really played 2d games but a lot of them were great.

Hey, what about Starwing/Starfox! :p

Say, any1 ever play really old nes games? Some of them are quite fun, likie the original marios and links and such. Besides those, any1 got any favs?

No. I prefer the SNES or Mega Drive for retro gaming.

Which I emulate because I'm cheap.

PC, currently, but the PS3 is gonna pwn. It's backwards compatable, plays Japanese games(I know, the Xbox 360 will play a few, but nowhere near the amount as PS3), and it is the most powerful. Of course all next Gen systems look good.

<<Hey, what about Starwing/Starfox! >>

Lylat Wars was infinitely superior. As were most of the 'pure' 2d games.

Some NES games are good. Some, are merely to be revered as kick-starting series. Mario and Zelda both were poor games by our standards.

Say, any1 ever play really old nes games? Some of them are quite fun, likie the original marios and links and such. Besides those, any1 got any favs?

Duck Hunt! Also Mother and Final Fantasy, both really great.

The Super Nintendo (AKA SNES) looks like a smaller, blockier N64 and was the predecessor to the N64. It only really played 2d games but a lot of them were great. I refer the N64 myself (Mario 64 plus the Zelda games, not to mention Body Harvest and the like).

I prefer Super Mario 64 DS. The SNES did have 3D games, like Starfox and Donkey Kong Country.

I'm going to tell you why a PC is way above and beyond any console current or in development:

Mods.

User developed mods can make your game play very different, you can have new levels, weapons, storylines, looks, or a completely new game. No console is able or, due to licensing issues, ever be able to match this,

Assuming the mods are good. On the one hand you get great mods like Counter Strike but on the other you get the problem with Dawn Of War where the patches nerfed units that didn't need it or made other mess-ups because the devs didn't put the effort in. It's a good game but the fact it could be patched messed it up.

Lylat Wars was infinitely superior. As were most of the 'pure' 2d games.

Eh, never owned an N64, so can't argue.

Some NES games are good. Some, are merely to be revered as kick-starting series. Mario and Zelda both were poor games by our standards.

I wouldn't say they're poor. I still play Mario Allstars on my SNES sometimes (which is just the repackaged mario games from the NES)

Hm, does anyone remember a NES game that was a top down shooter in a tropical country, where you'd kill the oncoming soldiers as you ran through barricades and stuff? I think it was called...Guerilla, or Commando, or something. I played it years ago but can't remember the name to download an emulated version :(

Another advantage of PC - Freeware. Some freeware games (my favourite are roguelikes like ADOM and Nethack) are brilliant.

Nintendo has the best consoles. I mean, The 'cube has Metroid and RE4(the good looking version). The N64 has Mario, Starfox 64, and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The SNES is basicly 2-d perfection and revolutionized 3-d gaming with Starfox(I don't know their European names). The NES saved gaming and has classics that have stood the test of time and still look good. Plus, there's the Gameboy and DS>

The SNES did have 3D games, like Starfox and Donkey Kong Country.

SF=3-d. DKC=2-d with psuedo-3-d graphics. psuedo=fake btw.

Hm, does anyone remember a NES game that was a top down shooter in a tropical country, where you'd kill the oncoming soldiers as you ran through barricades and stuff? I think it was called...Guerilla, or Commando, or something. I played it years ago but can't remember the name to download an emulated version :(

I would think Contra.

Try emulating "The Adventures of Lolo" It was great puzle game that I almost grew up on. It was so fun, they made it to 3. As I recall, hasbro made it, or was it that other guy, either way, its a great NES game.

Also, you didn't put the 2600 on that list!

As things are now, it's Xbox all the way. Next generation consoles, however are different. It looks from here like PS3 will be the best.

overhyped GTA games.

Bloody cubers. You can spot them a mile off. They're the ones who don't notice GTA being so incredible that many, many, reviewers hailed it as the greatest game *ever*, just cause it doesn't get ported to Gamecube as it is the inferior console.

Assuming the mods are good.
Of course. Some are going to be crap, some are going to be brilliant, and most are going to be mediocre. But it's the possibility of creating them that's the point.

Nintendo has the best consoles. I mean, The 'cube has Metroid and RE4(the good looking version). The N64 has Mario, Starfox 64, and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. The SNES is basicly 2-d perfection and revolutionized 3-d gaming with Starfox(I don't know their European names). The NES saved gaming and has classics that have stood the test of time and still look good. Plus, there's the Gameboy and DS>

European names are:
Starfox - Starwing
Starfox 64 - Lylat Wars
I think the others retain their US name.

In general, I agree with you. The N64, although it had many great games, did not have enough of them.

Also, you didn't put the 2600 on that list!
And also forgot the Intellivision ;)

I would think Contra.

I don't think so...Contra is a side-on platformer, isn't it? This game was top-down.

Bloody cubers. You can spot them a mile off. They're the ones who don't notice GTA being so incredible that many, many, reviewers hailed it as the greatest game *ever*, just cause it doesn't get ported to Gamecube as it is the inferior console.

Too true. I wouldn't say it was inferior, just a kiddie konsole.

Resident Evil 4 et cetera, btw, is just there to attract adults into buying it. It's for the young 'uns, to be sure.

Too true. I wouldn't say it was inferior, just a kiddie konsole.

Resident Evil 4 et cetera, btw, is just there to attract adults into buying it. It's for the young 'uns, to be sure.

Yeah, but the games are fun, so it doesn't matter, right?

<<Bloody cubers. You can spot them a mile off. They're the ones who don't notice GTA being so incredible that many, many, reviewers hailed it as the greatest game *ever*, just cause it doesn't get ported to Gamecube as it is the inferior console.>>

GTA is a good game. GTA2 was better. 3 I never played. Vice City was overhyped. it was fun, but in no way 'greatest game ever' greatest game on the PS2 maybe.

If 'cube is inferior why does resi4 for PS2 comparitively look like ass.

I'm sure that Metroid Prime is a baby game in your eyes based on the lack of blood, gore, and sex. GTA was overhyped. It was good, but Vice City felt more lika an expansion pack of GTA III and San Andreas merely had more.

I don't think so...Contra is a side-on platformer, isn't it? This game was top-down.

Umm... I don't remember. IIRC, Contra had a jungle level, but can't be too sure.

And also forgot the Intellivision ;)

And the Magnavox Oddysey! It started the whole industry!

Too true. I wouldn't say it was inferior, just a kiddie konsole.

I disagree. Kiddie games, IMO, are ones that are based off of PBS shows.

overhyped GTA games

Actually, they are fun. Have you played them?

<<Actually, they are fun. Have you played them?>>

I have, they are fun, but that doesn't preclude it being overhyped.

im stuck between ps2, PC, and N64

i got Katamari Damacy on ps2, command and conquer and Doom on my PC, and Super Smash Brothers, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, and Conkers Bad Fur Day for my N64, plus tons of other good ones on all 3 consoles.

the Xbox is, obviously, an OK console, but it doesnt beat the 3 above.

As for the Cube, same as Xbox.

I disagree. Kiddie games, IMO, are ones that are based off of PBS shows.

I've always defined a kiddie game as one that tries to overload you with fun, so that it can skip around violence, plot et cetera.

They usually have bright visuals and doesn't challenge the brain, but some adult games do that as well.

Zelda:Kiddie, but also for adults
Mario: Kiddie
Donkey Kong: Shit
Halo: Adult

<<I've always defined a kiddie game as one that tries to overload you with fun, so that it can skip around violence, plot et cetera.>>

The problem with that is the games aimed at 'kids' which are so crap they don't get covered. Also, I don't give about plot unless the game needs it.

im stuck between ps2, PC, and N64

i got Katamari Damacy on ps2, command and conquer and Doom on my PC, and Super Smash Brothers, Majora's Mask, Goldeneye, and Conkers Bad Fur Day for my N64, plus tons of other good ones on all 3 consoles.

the Xbox is, obviously, an OK console, but it doesnt beat the 3 above.

As for the Cube, same as Xbox.

Katamri Damacy is NOT good enough to carry a whole console. Just buy hl2 and end the whole thing. Even if you end up hatring the game, theirs a silly number of mods being made, and the BEST mod for it right now is... well I like Garry's Mod but meh

EDIT:Oh! And does anybody have any idea of when We Love Katamari will be released in America? It will be in Europe, but I'm in the darkness.

well...for sheer fun...i hafta go with the original Nintendo...for 2 reasons...one, i am pretty sure no one has heard of and the other i hope EVERYONE has heard of....Bad News Baseball...and...TECHMO BOWL...even now, i have a friend that has his orignal system and he will break it out once in a while and have a get together where everyone brings some beer and just plays those 2 games...good times.....also...i have read on here people remembering Goldeneye for N64...does anyone remember the game that was a spin-off of that game called Perfect Dark..?...FPG...different weapons (although if i remember correctly, there was a cheat to get the Goldeneye guns in there as well)...basically, the same as Goldeneye, except with a chick in the lead...excellent game as well....ok, that's all i had to say.....

Hm, does anyone remember a NES game that was a top down shooter in a tropical country, where you'd kill the oncoming soldiers as you ran through barricades and stuff? I think it was called...Guerilla, or Commando, or something. I played it years ago but can't remember the name to download an emulated version :(


Are you talking about Ikari Warriors? Sounds like the game I remember..

Oh and as long as I am here.. Personally I think the PC has the best games (incuding the best first person shooter ever System Shock 2 (sorry all you Halo fanboys.)). But if you wanna go strictly consoles, I love Nintedo cause they always have the quality games can't wait for the new Zelda and Fire Emblem games for the Gamecube this year. PS2 is next on my list cause it has such a huge library and I can use it as a DVD player as well.. I don't do the X-box cause its Microsoft and the only Microsoft product I ever buy is Windows and thats only because its pretty much the only way you can play PC games.. Also there aren't any games exclusive to the X-box that makes me want it...

I don't give about plot unless the game needs it.

Nah, a game needs a plot of sorts, otherwise you don't care why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. People rave about graphics, but a plot makes a game playable.

And why do you never use quote tags?

Aqualay']Are you talking about Ikari Warriors? Sounds like the game I remember..

Oh and as long as I am here.. Personally I think the PC has the best games (incuding the best first person shooter ever System Shock 2 (sorry all you Halo fanboys.)). But if you wanna go strictly consoles, I love Nintedo cause they always have the quality games can't wait for the new Zelda and Fire Emblem games for the Gamecube this year. PS2 is next on my list cause it has such a huge library and I can use it as a DVD player as well.. I don't do the X-box cause its Microsoft and the only Microsoft product I ever buy is Windows and thats only because its pretty much the only way you can play PC games.. Also there aren't any games exclusive to the X-box that makes me want it...


*cough*Linux*cough*
And yes, it can play games, one of the new consoles (ps3, I think) will be using linux.

Nah, a game needs a plot of sorts, otherwise you don't care why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. People rave about graphics, but a plot makes a game playable.

And why do you never use quote tags?

Partly 'cos I'm lazy, partly because the quote tags take time and a lot of these threads rocket.

Plot isn't too necessary though. Mario Sunshine had almost none but I played it a huge amount because it was like a massive playground.

I've always defined a kiddie game as one that tries to overload you with fun, so that it can skip around violence, plot et cetera.

They usually have bright visuals and doesn't challenge the brain, but some adult games do that as well.

Zelda:Kiddie, but also for adults
Mario: Kiddie
Donkey Kong: Shit
Halo: Adult

Violence? I don't care. The point of video games is that they're SUPPOSED to be fun, regardless of being adult or not.


Nah, a game needs a plot of sorts, otherwise you don't care why you are doing whatever it is you are doing. People rave about graphics, but a plot makes a game playable.

Not all games. Tetris doesn't really have one (maybe because it's from the USSR with love?).

Tetris took place in Egypt, as near as I can tell.

Aqualay']Are you talking about Ikari Warriors? Sounds like the game I remember..

Ooh, very close, and i'll be trying that one out...but I found it. It's called "Guerilla War".

-EDIT- somebody doesn't like hotlinking

http://www.consoleclassix.com/info_img/Guerilla_War_NES_ScreenShot2.jpg

Oh and as long as I am here.. Personally I think the PC has the best games (incuding the best first person shooter ever System Shock 2 (sorry all you Halo fanboys.)).

AMEN to that! "WE....WILL...TAKE YOU!" :D

It's probably the most suspenseful game i've ever played...and while the story is a cliched premise, it's fleshed out brilliantly. And how can you not love psychic mutant monkeys?

*cough*Linux*cough*
And yes, it can play games, one of the new consoles (ps3, I think) will be using linux.

*cough* Teach it to me. *cough*

Seems to me that Linux people like to tout its greatness over Windows, but when it comes to teaching it to people they have this whole attitude of.. Its so freaking simple that you should be able to figure it out yourself. As much as I hate Microsoft, the whole elite attitude that linux users have is whats killing it in the operating system market..

*cough*Linux*cough*
And yes, it can play games, one of the new consoles (ps3, I think) will be using linux.

Very few games are made with Linux in mind, since Windows has 90% of global computers.

You can really only do it if you use WINE or another emulator.

Tetris took place in Egypt, as near as I can tell.

I think it took place in Russia, mainly because it showed that ice cream church and those space rockets.

Also, I don't give about plot unless the game needs it.
what?! plots are essential to all good games imho - Deus Ex, anyone? even better, though, is when you get to make it yourself (a la Sim City, the Total War games, Fable, GTA to an extent, and the upcoming (looking awesome) Spore)
user-created content and plots is the way forward in games - just look at how well those titles have done, and how well the Sims has done, too. then there's Molenyeux's The Movies coming out in August that takes the idea to new levels again.

this is why i'm starting to get excited and into games again - finally, after years of minor graphical improvements and endless clones of the same old games there's some innovation in the market :)

graphics are nearing photo-realism for a lot of things, or are just so damn good minor graphical improvements really aren't a selling point anymore, so developers are once again having to look to real innovations in gameplay to make their game unique. they were once constrained by graphics being too shite, now they're constrained by them being, in a sense, too good;)
this goes for the next crop of consoles, too, with games being not the only focus of the next gens

and if you'll excuse me, i'll be off to murder some barbarians in Rome TW :D

Well, I don't use linux, but it is pretty easy, I saw a screenshot of a guy checking his e-mail in linux. It was simple, everything was on screen. Also, more and more games are being made with "linux versions" or are patched to work with linux or work in linux to begin with. You could get power os, if you want speed.

<<graphics are nearing photo-realism for a lot of things, or are just so damn good minor graphical improvements really aren't a selling point anymore, so developers are once again having to look to real innovations in gameplay to make their game unique. they were once constrained by graphics being too shite, now they're constrained by them being, in a sense, too good>>

Tell that to Sony and Microsoft.

Tell that to Sony and Microsoft.
your point?

i'm talking about the game developers here, though hardware/console developers are similarly expanding - people want more of their consoles nowadays



edit: and [quote ] [/quote ] tags are pretty nifty btw :)

I think it took place in Russia, mainly because it showed that ice cream church and those space rockets.

The ground was sand covered for crying out loud!

EDIT:Ok, I googled some pics and the ground is more wooden, but still, you would see some snow if it was in russia!

Deus Ex, anyone?

*raises hand*

I'll take one :D

Just for you...

your point?

i'm talking about the game developers here, though hardware/console developers are similarly expanding - people want more of their consoles nowadays


But Sony and Microsoft use in-line coding in their new consoles. This means that they can't do AI which would be the way to take games forward. Plot can only take you so far.

Hey uh, Kanabia?

You got the message from the picture?

The picture demands you listen to it...

Hey uh, Kanabia?

You got the message from the picture?

The picture demands you listen to it...

Muh? >.>

(It's almost 5AM and my brain isn't working. Enlighten me.)

The ground was sand covered for crying out loud!

EDIT:Ok, I googled some pics and the ground is more wooden, but still, you would see some snow if it was in russia!

The ice cream church is in Moscow, not Siberia. ;)
Besides, there is Soviet Kazakhstan. It could be there, for all we know.

Maybe sports games won't be the same year after year with minor graphical and team changes! Maybe.. they'll have .. gasp! new ways of playing, like you being just one player! Or online with a whole team of people!

The ice cream church is in Moscow, not Siberia. ;)
Besides, there is Soviet Kazakhstan. It could be there, for all we know.

Still, the music p-layed during intermission does sound deserty.. is that a word? It has.. you know.. a desert feel.

Then again, I don't really know what Russian music sounds like.. so meh

Muh? >.>

(It's almost 5AM and my brain isn't working. Enlighten me.)
Maybe you have to reload your page. Anyway, the owner of the server from where you're linking the picture would like you to create a copy and link from there instead.

The problem with improving graphics technology is that everyone has set expectations of a game. This means that companies have to throw money at a project in order for it to work. Whilst this is okay for the big names, companies that are just emerging can't afford to throw money can't produce games that anyone will buy due to the graphics being so shite. Sad but true.

Just for you...



But Sony and Microsoft use in-line coding in their new consoles. This means that they can't do AI which would be the way to take games forward. Plot can only take you so far.
indeed - some games that have relied too heavily on plot have often gotten me lost & confused. Deus Ex was about perfect for plot, being just complicated enough to be brilliant but not confuse the shit out of me :p

but i'm talking game dynamics here, not mechanics. good AI is just a tool to make a game better, but its the features of the game that truly make it good. like the 'good vs evil', 'every action has a concequence' themes and implimentation of Black & White and Fable. like the 'Home City' RPG-style element in the upcoming Age of Empires 3. like the user-created content engines of Will Wright's Spore (awesome!!)
its the features and dynamics, not necessarily the mechanics (like excellent AI, amazing physics, etc) that really set games apart & actually make them interesting and involving to play, imho. sure games like Half Life 2 have amazing physics, but that's just a tool to make the rest of the game better - in itself its not a selling point or anything that would engage or interest the player that much. its the features they build around it that makes it great. then you can have some games whose features (once again, the wholly user created content of Spore for eg) are enough to sell the game and make it engaging by themselves, regardless of the mechanics...

...i'm just ranting here...



and yay for quote tags! makes my quote easier, see ;)

I think it took place in Russia, mainly because it showed that ice cream church and those space rockets.
Ice cream church? :eek:
Technically, it didn't take place anywhere, but the backgrounds were supposed to be from different places in the Soviet Union (yes, kids, the game came out from the Soviet Union) and the MIR space station.

companies that are just emerging can't afford to throw money can't produce games that anyone will buy due to the graphics being so shite. Sad but true.

Interestingly Nintendo promise cheap development and the ability to put games up for download on the Revolution. That might just make it work...

Maybe you have to reload your page. Anyway, the owner of the server from where you're linking the picture would like you to create a copy and link from there instead.

Oh, right. Fixed. At least it wasn't goatse or something.

Ice cream church? :eek:
Technically, it didn't take place anywhere, but the backgrounds were supposed to be from different places in the Soviet Union (yes, kids, the game came out from the Soviet Union) and the MIR space station.

St. Basil's Cathedral. It looks like ice cream. Too bad you can't eat it. :(

The music in Tetris is also real music from Russia.

Interestingly Nintendo promise cheap development and the ability to put games up for download on the Revolution. That might just make it work...

Downloading old games will attract the older gamers. So, it might work.

Interestingly Nintendo promise cheap development and the ability to put games up for download on the Revolution. That might just make it work...

Provided it can shake off the reputation of the Gamecube i.e having no testicles. Not even little lady testicles

Interestingly Nintendo promise cheap development and the ability to put games up for download on the Revolution. That might just make it work...

Yeah, but you may have to pay to play the games.. today, dog!

My point was more that it would provide people with an 'entry-level' to making games. It'd be a alternative to the few online games of the type (i.e. Runescape). Also it lets studios make low-risk innovative games and if it works they ain and if they fail it loses only a little.

Yeah, but you may have to pay to play the games.. today, dog!

And if the console breaks down you may have to get them again. Not good.

And if the console breaks down you may have to get them again. Not good.

You could prolly save them on a memory card. So it'll be safe unless it's erased.

And if the console breaks down you may have to get them again. Not good.

But if your console broke down you got a bad one, all my consoles have gon 3 years minimum. My Megadrive lasted a decade until I traded it in.. Most places give you a couple of years warranty. Also, the downloads may be ISP marked rather than identified by the console itself.

You could prolly save them on a memory card. So it'll be safe unless it's erased.

Hopefully.

I feel that Nintendo should really stick with hand-held consoles, since whilst they have decimated all competition in that market, they aren't really big in console land these days.

Hopefully.

I feel that Nintendo should really stick with hand-held consoles, since whilst they have decimated all competition in that market, they aren't really big in console land these days.

This is their shot at changing that. If they lose here, they may be driven out of handhelds by sony too. And that could just kill the idea of innovation for some time.

Hopefully.

I feel that Nintendo should really stick with hand-held consoles, since whilst they have decimated all competition in that market, they aren't really big in console land these days.

They could change it with the Revolution. We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

I don't know how well the PSP is doing in the America, but the DS was in very high demand. If PSP wins over the DS, the next GameBoy will most likely bring Nintendo back to #1 again.

DS is winning so far but the chav appeal might be a problem.

They could change it with the Revolution. We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out.

I don't know how well the PSP is doing in the America, but the DS was in very high demand. If PSP wins over the DS, the next GameBoy will most likely bring Nintendo back to #1 again.

Off-hand, I'de say they are about tied right now, but the PSP is slightly ahead.

This is their shot at changing that. If they lose here, they may be driven out of handhelds by sony too. And that could just kill the idea of innovation for some time.

It's a valiant effort, but I'm not sure it will pay off. The damage has been done, they will never revive the halcyon days of the SNES. It's all just a matter of time before they go the way of the Dreamcast.

In handheld terms, they will continue to dominate for some time. Historically, they have fended off every ounce of competition, even with superior consoles, and there is no reason for that to change.

Consoles decimated by Nintendo;
Sega Game Gear
Atari Lynx
SNK Neo Geo Pocket/ Neo Geo Pocket Color
Bandai Wonderswan
Nokia NGage

Any one of these were technoloically better than the Game Boy, yet they all sunk without a trace. Also, I think DS has backward compatibility with the GBA whilst this is Sony's first foray into handheld gaming.

Time will tell.

DS is winning so far but the chav appeal might be a problem.

That's only in Britian, though. Japan, America, and the rest of Europe, it's been doing well.

I don't favor a specific console. I only have a single favorite game or two on each console I've ever had.

Back in the old days, before the N64, I loved Super Mario Brother, Duck Hunt and Tetris.

When N64 showed up, I liked Donkey Kong and Zelda(Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask wasn't as good imo).

PS came along, and I played the older Final Fantasy games and Digimon World 3.

PS2 gave me my favorite game: FFX (FFX-2 was a little out there, it went back a couple steps from FFX, imo) and Baldur's Gate(1 and 2)

X-Box game me Fable, which I love.

The only PC games I'v had were Sim City 3000:Unlimited and Diablo 2. both are very good in my opinion.

The only handhelds I have are the GBC and GBA. They gave me Dragon Warrior Monsters, Pokemon(Red, Blue, Yellow, Gold, Silver, Crystal, and Pinball), and Golden Sun(1 and 2)

It's a valiant effort, but I'm not sure it will pay off. The damage has been done, they will never revive the halcyon days of the SNES. It's all just a matter of time before they go the way of the Dreamcast.

In handheld terms, they will continue to dominate for some time. Historically, they have fended off every ounce of competition, even with superior consoles, and there is no reason for that to change.

Consoles decimated by Nintendo;
Sega Game Gear
Atari Lynx
SNK Neo Geo/ Neo Geo Pocket/ Neo Geo Pocket Color
Bandai Wonderswan
Nokia NGage

Any one of these were technoloically better than the Game Boy, yet they all sunk without a trace. Also, I think DS has backward compatibility with the GBA whilst this is Sony's first foray into handheld gaming.

Time will tell.

Yes, it has backwards capability with the GBA. Gives it more games. Oh, and the Neo Geo is a console, not handheld. The other two are handheld.

Yes, it has backwards capability with the GBA. Gives it more games. Oh, and the Neo Geo is a console, not handheld. The other two are handheld.

I'm glad that DS plays GBA games. I wonder how they'll deal with the dual screen array. Doesn't this technically mean that it can also play the older Game Boy games?

Thanks for pointing that out, I shall change my earlier ramblings.

I'm glad that DS plays GBA games. I wonder how they'll deal with the dual screen array. Doesn't this technically mean that it can also play the older Game Boy games?

Thanks for pointing that out, I shall change my earlier ramblings.

Actually, no it doesn't. It doesn't have the older processor to play the GB/GBC games. Nintendo didnt' want the DS to totally replace the GBA.

Well, for GBA game playing, you can choose on the DS options selection what screen you want the GBA screen to appear on. When you play it, it'll appear on that screen, but it'll have a black border due to the smaller resolution.

I'm glad that DS plays GBA games. I wonder how they'll deal with the dual screen array. Doesn't this technically mean that it can also play the older Game Boy games?

Thanks for pointing that out, I shall change my earlier ramblings.

You can tell it to play games on either screen.

EDIT:Woops, wrong system lol

I still use the ds for playing gba games, my fav was mario vs. donkey kong

DS is winning so far but the chav appeal might be a problem.

Hmm...Somehow I can't imagine Vicky Pollard playing a PSP.

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Hmm...Somehow I can't imagine Vicky Pollard playing a PSP.

No, but the 'casual gamers' at whom 'graffix' are mostly aimed are often chavs.

No, but the 'casual gamers' at whom 'graffix' are mostly aimed are often chavs.

A most valid point. Unfortunately.

Nintendo 64 and PS1 were my favs of all time. I loved those things so much. I think I liked Nintendo 64 slightly more than PS1, even though I think Misadventures of Tron Bonne (sp?) was only a PS1 game.

OTHER > XBOX
I admit it, I'm a Micro$oft hater but I use Window$ and love the XBOX. I'll be backing the 360 and the Revolution but will also be carefully watching opinions of the PS3 as I honestly think that it could have the power to beat the 360. (I used to 100% believe that it could, with its 2 teraflops, whatever they are, and its use of Blu-Ray, however a side-by-side which labeled the Cell processor as being built for calculations and DVDs, not games, and the 360's being perfectly suited, deflated my sails.)

Good idea, mate.

OTHER > XBOX
I admit it, I'm a Micro$oft hater but I use Window$ and love the XBOX. I'll be backing the 360 and the Revolution but will also be carefully watching opinions of the PS3 as I honestly think that it could have the power to beat the 360. (I used to 100% believe that it could, with its 2 teraflops, whatever they are, and its use of Blu-Ray, however a side-by-side which labeled the Cell processor as being built for calculations and DVDs, not games, and the 360's being perfectly suited, deflated my sails.

360 has got one teraflop, thats how much cpu and other proccesing power the whole thing has, although sony is a bit up there in the.. unreasonable

Sony will not get the best out of their setup. No-one will go that high. I doubt there'll be many who push the Xbox360 until late.

I've never heard of the "flop" in terms of computer specs. Hertz, Bytes, Watts yes, Flops no.

Off-hand, I'de say they are about tied right now, but the PSP is slightly ahead.
Its too early to compare sales figures...

I alway had GB hanhelds...and now I am going to buy the PSP...
will use it as a portable video player too...they have 1 gig sonyStick..thats good enogh for most of my needs..

Its too early to compare sales figures...

I alway had BD hanhelds...and now I am going to buy the PSP...as a console and portable video player...they have 1 gig sonyStick now that good enogh for most of my needs...

What does "BD" mean?

What does "BD" mean?means i typed too fast

means i typed too fast

So what were you trying to say?

So what were you trying to say?
Look above you. He edited the post.

BD > GB > Nintendo Gameboy (possibly also DS)

Nintendo is here to stay. Although Nintendo sold fewer Gamecubes than Sony did PS2's, Nintendo profitted more, probably because the 'cubes are so cheap to make. Plus, Nintendo makes the best first party games, handsdown. Look at those old Mario games. Look at the new Zelda game.

So what were you trying to say?GB

GB

Thank you.

Now I can sleep easy at night.

SNES. It has Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, FFV, Super Mario RPG, Mario Paint, Mario Kart, Star Fox, etc. along with starting the console trend of weak CPUs supplemented by extremely fast GPUs and Audio chips, custom made for the console.

I beleive on the g4 show "Filter" they did a countdown of viewer chosen games and consoles shown at e3, zelda got 4th, then 360 in 3rd, then rev, then ps3 in 1st. Interestingly, killzone didn't make the list, nor did spore, chosen best of show. We Love Katamari got 10th, however. Weird...

Nintendo is here to stay.I hope so...I think we need at least 2 console companies

I beleive on the g4 show "Filter" they did a countdown of viewer chosen games and consoles shown at e3, zelda got 4th, then 360 in 3rd, then rev, then ps3 in 1st. Interestingly, killzone didn't make the list, nor did spore, chosen best of show. We Love Katamari got 10th, however. Weird...
so, its

#1 PS3
#2 Nin. Rev.
#3 Xbox360
#4 Zelda
.
#10 Katami

?????????????

This poll is pretty meaningless. Since you left out all of it's contemporary opponents, PS2 wins by default.

This poll is pretty meaningless. Since you left out all of it's contemporary opponents, PS2 wins by default.

So why is P.C in the lead?

1. PC isn't a consol. It's a PC, and therefor by definition, is a computer, not a consol.

2. People who don't want to vote for PS2 are voting for anything else

Why the heck is the PS1 on there? The PS2 makes it redundant...and, uh, PCs aren't consoles. The DS and Gameboys are handhelds, not consoles.

Anyway, my favored systems are, in order:
Gamecube (Animal Crossing has given me a LOT of hours on the GC, plus I always liked Nintendo. Their games are good. I have a grudge against anyone who says that they have "kiddie" games; just because they don't have blood and guts everywhere doesn't mean they're for kids. Newsflash:Games without "mature"(ie. the sorts of things that make parents protest against this industry) content CAN BE FUN, and are often MORE fun than "mature": games. I like the controller, easy to use and fits comfortably)
PC(wide variety of games, potential for lots of user content(Depending on the game), easier online connectivity, controls which make it very hard to have a bad interface, etc. Plus it has loads of strategy games, which are my favorite games)
PS2 (there are actually very few PS2 games that I really, really, want despite there being a zillion PS2 games out there. The controller's OK.)
GBA(love the few games I have on it, but I really only use it for a small smount of games, much like the PS2)
Sega Genesis(first gaming system I owned, at the age of...4. Nostaligia, baby! Of course, all the good games have had remakes by now...)
N64(eh, I only played about 3 games on it)
PS1(loved the games it had, but redundant with the PS2 around)
GBC/GB Pocket(Liked the games, but didn't have many of 'em and redudant with the GBA around)

Systems I will never, ever, buy:
Xbox. Don't like the games on it(the ones I DO like are...multiplatform! Surprise, surprise.), looks ugly IMO, it's from *Microsoft*(don't mind their computers, but seeing them come out with a gaming system gave me the shivers. In a bad way.), the controllers I've seen all look awful(waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many buttons), etc...
PSP. Haven't seen anything remotely interesting as far as games go. Plus Sony's systems are getting overrated anyway.


I'm very picky about games. I like very few "OMG! EVERYONE has to play this game!!!111" games such as Final Fantasy, The Sims, most shoot-em-ups(violences bores me when it's all I do. I can handle it in short bursts, but doing it constantly bores the heck out of me), most fighters, most war games(the Civ series being an expection, since you can, gasp, do things other than war!), Mario(never really got into it), any racing game, and anyhting based off of a movie/book/anythign that's not a video game. I actually veer more towards niche games such as the Monster Rancher series, the Harvest Moon series, and Jurassic Park:Operation Genesis.

so, its

#1 PS3
#2 Nin. Rev.
#3 Xbox360
#4 Zelda
.
#10 Katami

?????????????

Yeah, but I can't quite remember everything elses, I beleive quake4 got... 8th or something... sheesh.. lemme run a check on their site

Ok, here's teh list

10.Katamari
9.Call of Duty 2
8.Kingdom Hearts 2
7.Animal Crossing DS
6.Quake 4
5.Final Fantasy XII
4.Zelda:Twilight Princess (Link is a girl lol)
3.X-Box 360
2.Revolution
1.Playstation 3

Yeah, but I can't quite remember everything elses, I beleive quake4 got... 8th or something... sheesh.. lemme run a check on their site

Ok, here's teh list

10.Katamari
9.Call of Duty 2
8.Kingdom Hearts 2
7.Animal Crossing DS
6.Quake 4
5.Final Fantasy XII
4.Zelda:Twilight Princess (Link is a girl lol)
3.X-Box 360
2.Revolution
1.Playstation 3

Ummm, could you explain that 'Link is a girl' comment? I don't get it. Unless you're just making fun of the game because it has Princess in the title. Then I'll just choose to politley ignore you.

He's talking about the title. And since Zelda is female I think he forgot something.

Ummm, could you explain that 'Link is a girl' comment? I don't get it. Unless you're just making fun of the game because it has Princess in the title. Then I'll just choose to politley ignore you.

You KNEW I was kidding, besides, I already know who the twilight princess is, she's the toast I'm eating... toast... yummy...

Besides, I'm buying that game whether it comes out or not... I'll rob the factory if need be!

Oh, it was hard to tell if you were making fun of the "Nintendo is for babies/kiddies" group, or WERE one of them. I still don't get why Nintendo is Kiddy when Gamecube has less 'E' rated games than XBox, which has about 30 more 'E' games than Gamecube, and PS2, which has about 200 more 'E' rated games than Gamecube.

Problem is GC make good 'kiddie' games. The PS2 and Xbox get the crap ones.

Out of idle intrest, if I bought an x-box (LOL like that will happen) what games could you recommend? Some of my freinds got them and I want to know what would be a good gift/what to not play at their houses.

Out of idle intrest, if I bought an x-box (LOL like that will happen) what games could you recommend? Some of my freinds got them and I want to know what would be a good gift/what to not play at their houses.

I suppose common sense discretion applies with this question.

Do they play Halo just so they can kill aliens? Then don't buy "Destroy all Humans".

You know what is in their collection. I don't.

Pretty much all I can think of right now would be about..gosh.. I can remember them playing fable and hal, then 2 when it came out...I don't go over much...

what they like? Fps and such.. good platformers... some trategy games... ooh! And innovative games! Anything weird would work.. It's probably good as long as its not a sports game.

From a person who has owned every Nintendo console but the SNES (I have played it a lot at friends' houses though, and am borrowing one), I can personally recommend the XBox. For my top XBox games I have RalliSport Challenge 2, Oddworld: Munch's Oddesey, and the GTA Double Pack are my favorites, followed by Jade Empire and SSX3. RSC 2 is the best racing game I have played, but is pretty hard to find, It has actual Rally Racing, Hill Climb, Ice Racing, Crossover(The track literally crosses over on itself, hard to explain), and one other type, which I totaly went brain dead on the name of. Oddworld is Platforming at some of its best, chock full of humor (Can't comment on Stranger's Wrath though). GTA III and Vice City both have great plots, but they're overshadowed by the media's and average Next-Gen gamers focus on random violence and sex. Jade Empire is a bit short, and a lot of people complained about it, but Bioware did say it was going to be short. Other than that, it was a great Action-RPG that actually had something more than just "Press button, monster dies, buy new gear, repeat." *COUGHBALDURSGATEDARKALLIANCECOUGH*.
SSX3 is a great arcadey snowboarding game, and is ideal for blowing off steam.

(snip, for some reason.) Flops no.

FLOPS- FLoating-point OPerations /Second. Basically how fast a CPU can crunch numbers. It's not really effective in telling you a processors performance, just how fast it can calculate, say pi.

MMM, Violence.... All you need are the three B's in order to sell a game: Bangs Boobs and Blood.

Nintendo prefers the F word, fun, in order to sell games. Ehck, they even have Shigeru Miyamoto, the single most famous video game genious alive. The only one more important than him is Nolan Bushnell(he basicly invented video games using two rectangles, two numbers, and a square. He called it Pong.

Hizzle fo-shizzle