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What, in your opinion, is the most despicable crime one can perpetrate? I've heard a lot about this on the forums, but no actual topic. I'll add a poll when I see how the current's flowing… I don't wanna have 8 choices that no one votes for on there.

I'm thinking genocide. Possibly treachery (Stalin-style), but that's not really a crime.

Genocide coupled together with instances of mass rape and pedophilia. I don't think you get much worse than that.

Genocide coupled together with instances of mass rape and pedophilia. I don't think you get much worse than that. Well, I was more thinking of a single type of crime… not the Red Army in Darfur.

Being a zealot in the religious right! :D

Well, I was more thinking of a single type of crime… not the Red Army in Darfur.

Heh. Interesting example :p

The trouble is, I don't think there's really a single case of raw genocide, where people are just killed off. It's always coupled with some other vile undertakings that somehow manage to make it even worse than it already is...

Look at the holocaust; It wasn't just a genocide, it was also slavery, rape, theft, brutal experimentation and...pretty much everything you could imagine.

What, in your opinion, is the most despicable crime one can perpetrate? I've heard a lot about this on the forums, but no actual topic. I'll add a poll when I see how the current's flowing… I don't wanna have 8 choices that no one votes for on there.

I'm thinking genocide. Possibly treachery (Stalin-style), but that's not really a crime.

Murder (That covers them all. 1 or 1 million it's all still murder)

Being a zealot in the religious right! :D

Then again I bet there are those that think it's pretty sick being a self serving, welfare collecting, socialist who believes in nothing other than the last politician that promised him something at someone elses expense. :p :p

Liverbreath']Murder (That covers them all. 1 or 1 million it's all still murder) I know there are some people on these forums who think that rape is worse than murder (an individual case)… there can be fairly good reasons for murdering someone (really, there can!) but there is never a good reason for rape. I think it should be treated equally to murder, and the victim should be allowed to beat the rapist with either a rod or a scourge. :)

Genocide, most definitely.

Pedophilia. Taking away a child's innocence is the worst crime anyone can commit. Pedophiles ought to be taken into a crowded square and shot.

I know there are some people on these forums who think that rape is worse than murder (an individual case)… there can be fairly good reasons for murdering someone (really, there can!) but there is never a good reason for rape.

Hmm...interesting point.

I think it should be treated equally to murder, and the victim should be allowed to beat the rapist with either a rod or a scourge. :)

Certainly not, that would be barbaric. A cold and bare cell with a tubby man named Bubba will serve as sufficient punishment. :p

Certainly not, that would be barbaric. A cold and bare cell with a tubby man named Bubba will serve as sufficient punishment. :p Not barbaric at all. It's simple psychology. I think it might help to exorcise the trauma suffered by rape victims. I'd much rather be flogged than whatever Bubba would do to me.

I know there are some people on these forums who think that rape is worse than murder (an individual case)… there can be fairly good reasons for murdering someone (really, there can!) but there is never a good reason for rape. I think it should be treated equally to murder, and the victim should be allowed to beat the rapist with either a rod or a scourge. :)

Rape is nothing compared to murder. Murder is the extermination of a life which can not be replaced (except if its in your religious belief). In rape the person is still alive, except if it is a rape-murder which would be bad.

Rape is nothing compared to murder. Murder is the extermination of a life which can not be replaced (except if its in your religious belief). In rape the person is still alive, except if it is a rape-murder which would be bad. I know, I personally think murder is much worse… especially for those close to the murdered. But rape is often lightly sentenced… and I meant treated like murder in the UK, ie life sentence.

Theft.

Theft of life is still theft.

Theft of innocence is still theft.

In the end, every crime is theft.

Heh. Interesting example :p

The trouble is, I don't think there's really a single case of raw genocide, where people are just killed off. It's always coupled with some other vile undertakings that somehow manage to make it even worse than it already is...

Look at the holocaust; It wasn't just a genocide, it was also slavery, rape, theft, brutal experimentation and...pretty much everything you could imagine.I think that for poll purposes... you have to pick one kind of crime, either
slavery, or
rape, or
theft, or
extermination...

if you want to participate in the poll that is.

I know, I personally think murder is much worse… especially for those close to the murdered. But rape is often lightly sentenced… and I meant treated like murder in the UK, ie life sentence.

I still think that is too harsh. It should be anywhere from 30-life, and also some people might try to feign it, where murder is kind of hard to fake.

Theft.

Theft of life is still theft.

Theft of innocence is still theft.

In the end, every crime is theft. You, sir, have been reading too much Terry Pratchett. Although you're right.

Oh yes, I forgot slavery… still takes place, several news cases recently in the UK about immigrants enslaved by gangs.

Creating and/or releasing an engineered virus.

You, sir, have been reading too much Terry Pratchett. Although you're right.

Curses - spotted again.

Theft.

Theft of life is still theft.

Theft of innocence is still theft.

In the end, every crime is theft.

You can't steal a life, you take it

You don't steal innocence, you ruin it (although no one is innocent)

Only stealing of property is theft.

I know there are some people on these forums who think that rape is worse than murder (an individual case)… there can be fairly good reasons for murdering someone (really, there can!) but there is never a good reason for rape. I think it should be treated equally to murder, and the victim should be allowed to beat the rapist with either a rod or a scourge. :)

Well we are all victims of our times and of our press, but the bottom line really is that there is never a good reason for murder. I believe there to be a distinct difference between killing someone and murder. The reason for it is what defines the act.
In the case of rape it is a difficult situation with many variables figuring into the equation. In the United States at least rape is now punished greater than 2nd degree murder in about one third of the states, with little more than the victims word on it. Many states now attempt to deny the accused the right to face their accuser and have taken measures to keep the identity of the accuser secret the same as if it were a juvinille case. All in all, I would say there can be no complaints from special interest groups regarding the efforts to curtail rape in this country.

Liverbreath']Well we are all victims of our times and of our press, but the bottom line really is that there is never a good reason for murder. I believe there to be a distinct difference between killing someone and murder. The reason for it is what defines the act.
In the case of rape it is a difficult situation with many variables figuring into the equation. In the United States at least rape is now punished greater than 2nd degree murder in about one third of the states, with little more than the victims word on it. Many states now attempt to deny the accused the right to face their accuser and have taken measures to keep the identity of the accuser secret the same as if it were a juvinille case. All in all, I would say there can be no complaints from special interest groups regarding the efforts to curtail rape in this country.

Does that apply to the c rape thing which if the person under 18 has sex, then it is automatically that type?

Denying the right to face the accuser, isn't that illegal?

Christianity :p

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I think that for poll purposes... you have to pick one kind of crime, either
slavery, or
rape, or
theft, or
extermination...

if you want to participate in the poll that is.

'mmm. But I think that a combination of these can still count as just one crime.

Theft.

Theft of life is still theft.

Theft of innocence is still theft.

In the end, every crime is theft.

But is every theft a crime? [/philosophical]

There should be a law against claiming to speak for God. Those people cause more trouble than anyone else. (With communists coming a close second).

There should be a law against claiming to speak for God. Those people cause more trouble than anyone else. (With communists coming a close second).

Since when did I cause you trouble? :(

*gives a wedgie*

Ha! :D

Not barbaric at all. It's simple psychology. I think it might help to exorcise the trauma suffered by rape victims. I'd much rather be flogged than whatever Bubba would do to me.

How bout to make rapers suffer would be to do both: Be flogged while dropping the soap near buddy Bubba !!!

What, in your opinion, is the most despicable crime one can perpetrate? I've heard a lot about this on the forums, but no actual topic. I'll add a poll when I see how the current's flowing… I don't wanna have 8 choices that no one votes for on there.

I'm thinking genocide. Possibly treachery (Stalin-style), but that's not really a crime.

The worst crime is theft, whether of life, dignity, rights, freedom or whatever. Every crime, in one way or another, is theft ultimately. Think about it.

Since when did I cause you trouble? :(

*gives a wedgie*

Ha! :D

Not you,

I mean the famous ones, like stalin. :p

*gives an atomic wedgie back* :D

Does that apply to the c rape thing which if the person under 18 has sex, then it is automatically that type?

Denying the right to face the accuser, isn't that illegal?

When you say C rape I assume you are referring to statutory rape and the answer is that it varies widely. I have known several young men in prison for exactly that and doing between 6 years for the shortest to 26 years for the longest. This is a very complex circumstance and to be honest I believe much injustice is formulated into the dispostion.

Sure it's illegal as hell. Unfortunately womens rights groups and dirty politicians have learned that they can pass laws that are blatently illegal and imoral, but still have them enforced until either A) Someone is able to pursue it through the entire system without a deal being cut and actually make it to the supreme court and then succeed in getting them to hear it.
or
B) Key politicians are voted out of office and newly elected officials actually have an interest in correcting the injustice.

Any way you look at it, its usually going to be 10 years before anything can be done to correct things, unless you have the press on your side and they want to take it up.

Supporting Bush and His genocide in Iraq.

You can't steal a life, you take it

You don't steal innocence, you ruin it (although no one is innocent)

Only stealing of property is theft.

Really? How do you define theft? I'd say 'Taking something without the permission of the possessor' is a fairly good definition, in which case murder is definitely theft. It's still theft if you don't keep the thing you take.

And if innocence cannot be regained, that means it has been taken, which, again... well.

In my first opinion, genocide
Next comes slavery
Then comes rape

Supporting Bush and His genocide in Iraq.
Genocide? Not exactly.