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Ok, you guys may remember I started a thread a while back on the possibility of zombie attacks, time to heighten the stakes!

This time, the problem is greatly enhanced.

A new virus strain manifests itself in the bloodstream of a mosquito; we'll call it the Z-Virus. This fascinating virus, when placed into the bloodstream of any animal, induces a temporary state of total unconsciousness (two hours), before "re-animating" the victim. The virus directly attacks the logical and emotional parts of the brain, destroying all but the most basic functions. They no longer feel pain, nor exhaustion, nor fear, nor love... nor sympathy. They are, for all intents and purposes, the "eternal undead". Or the "living impaired".

These zombies are fast, can climb, swim and sustain extreme damage before perishing. Only the direct removal of the cerebellum ends the life of the individual.

They only have one desire, to feed on those who are not infected. They may also feed on their surroundings for sustenance, but due to a unique mutation brought on by the virus; have no real need of these materials. The virus itself produces a special oxygen and protein generating bacteria. These bacteria may go into stasis should the temperature get too hot or cold, and will come back to life when the surroundings are habitable once more.

Not only this, but the aging of the zombie is drastically slowed. These creatures may live for up to five hundred years, the virus has the most powerful defensive mechanisms in existence, able to ward off any disease. Radiation may affect zombies, but it will work far slower on them.

Ok, ground rules are established.

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It turns out the worst weapon the terrorists could have used was not a nuclear device, but a unique biological weapon, derived in the U.S.S.R. from a virus that had been secretly harvested from mosquitoes found in Vietnam. These weapons were noiseless, yet devastating; they are engineered so that the infected tend to specifically favour humans, although other animals are not safe.

At midnight, whatever the time zone is where you are, the Neo-Anarchist Revolutionary Front detonates the device world-wide. At first nothing much happens, then, at a shocking speed, the virus rapidly spreads throughout the globe. These weapons are used specifically to target military, economic and governmental locations.

An unusual number of people report mosquito bites. Then there is an epidemic of people falling into comas.

Then... they re-animate.

You wake with a start as you hear strange, almost mournful moans. They seem to coming from the west and north.

(Edited to make it a little less immediately challenging)

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CHOOSE YOUR ADVENTURE!

Everybody dies. Period.

Start a smokey fire. That keeps away the mosquito, till you can deal with it. Hope to hell you have weapons. Kill the pet. Burn the body if possible. Barricade self in basement, perhaps. Realize you're still probably screwed.

Incidentally, I've always wanted a nuclear bunker of my own. Stocked with stuff for decades. I'm a bit paranoid.

Considering the level of infection and current situation, it is obvious that the original ideas will require modification to be feasible. First and foremost is the mosquito and the obvious hordes outside the house.

Steps as follows.

1: Beekeepers outfit. That means gloves, overlapping clothes and a fishnet head covering. Assume original mosquito swatted before it bites. I have a tendency to do this when i notice them first.

2: Kill pet. Practicality is preferred over sentimentality. There is a possibility it may be infected. And if not, it will serve as suitable bait.

3: Release valves on propane tanks.

4: Place pesticide spray cans in microwave. Set to 1 minute.

5: Grab quick carry with emergency rations. That can be usually found in the garage. Semi-automatic pistol already in trouser waistband.

6: Don't bother opening garage door. Made of light wood, it will break easily.

7: Accelerate very quickly. There is about 15 seconds left.

8: Leave immediate vincinity. I usually have spare tanks of propane for emergency use.

9: Ignore fireball that was house. Head for the docks

10: Commandeer boat. Head for open seas. Once there, begin thorough decontamination of boat for any possible virus carriers

11: Change heading for an oil rig. There are several within three days of sailing from the docks.

12: Begin planning operations from there with other survivors to acquire future rations and supplies. If possible make contact with seaborne navies that were out of port at the time via radio. Build a viable task force.

Assumption 1: The zombies have no significant mental capability and thus are not capable of operating machinery, imitating humans or otherwise disguising themselves

Assumption 2: Despite muscle capacity in terms of self propulsion, they still cannot swim in any real fashion, requiring the waves to be pushed around.

Assumption 3: Zombies cannot climb sheer surfaces.

Me? Hell I'd just kill my mom and dad, throw some bug repellant on, pack up and move to the mountains which are about 3 hours away.. I'd only have run away from a couple hundred zombies, but they would be pre occupied with the left over families and such...

*snippity snip*

Heh...Screw my plan, I'm sticking with this person.

What would I do?

Thank God I live in a place so cold the spiders wear mittens?

Ha HA! Zombie mosquitoes foiled again thanks to the Scottish climate!

Heh...Screw my plan, I'm sticking with this person. Do you live near him? If not, better think of something else.

Yeah--Mosquito borne zombie virus? We're all screwed man!

Now, if it were transmitted by something a little easier to avoid; like say, ferrets or possibly snapping turtles, then we might have a chance, man...

Still, if I can get away from that dog, coat myself in insect repellant, climb to the roof, where I just happen to keep a sniper rifle, side-arm, fully stocked ammo kit, and a bag of survival gear (don't ask)... then I'd start-a-poppin' those zombies right through the eyes! :sniper:

Then I rescue the tough-guy :headbang: , the wierd dude who's just seen his dog get eaten by the mailman :confused:, and the annoying angst-ridden teenager who keeps wandering off and getting into trouble :mad: The three of them are trapped on the roof of a gas-station when I roll up in my jacked pickup truck and start tossing them weapons. We load up on gas and snack foods and cut our way through the undead swarm

Take that you crazy flesh-eating bastards! :mp5:

We make our way to the centre of town, homing in on a distress call over the radio. At the university, we find the beautiful scientist who's been secretly working with the government to develop a cure. We toss her a gun, grab the antidote cannisters, and make a break for the truck.

Eat hot lead cannibal freaks! :sniper:

Then it's out to the airport to steal a crop duster and spray the cure on the city, before radioing the instructions to the rest of the world. The tough as nails driver, the kid, and the weirdo give science-gal and me cover fire while we rig up the plane. We take off and start spraying the zombies. :gundge:

It seems to be working, but the boys are in trouble. We circle to help them, but it's too late for the wierdo... and the tough-guy is holding them off while the angsty teenager runs for cover. He's been bitten, and he's already changing... Rather than wait for the cure, he drives the pickup into a fuel tank and blows up the last of the zombies...

Except--the one mutant clinging to the wing of the plane! Science-gal takes over the flying while I wrestle with the flesh-eating demon on the wing... Sock, zap, zowie! Blow by blow--man these Zombies are tough... Science-gal gets knocked on the head and OH CRAP NO ONE IS FLYING THE PLANE, so I smack the zombie into the copilot seat and strap him in, aim the plane for the deck as ol'brains-for-breath groans in confusion; then I grab the girl and leap off the wing.

I open my chute, but it fails. I open her chute, but it's ripped. We're going to die... no, wait, we're not... I spot a large lake and dive for it... we land, harshly in the water, but we're safe and swim to shore. The zombies are dead or cured. We're alive, and science-gal leans over... :fluffle:

Just then there's a groan in the woods: :eek:

Woops, fooled you. It's just a stray dog growling... but there's something fishy about that stray dog...

Duh dunt duh....!!!

Do you live near him? If not, better think of something else.

The Devil is in the details, I'm told, therefore I don't listen to them. ;) I hope I am near them. Or someone like them. lol...the coast for me is about 4 hours away, minimum.

1: Beekeepers outfit. That means gloves, overlapping clothes and a fishnet head covering. Just a quick question, do you actually have this?

Thank God I live in a place so cold the spiders wear mittens? Great! Now are there any other humans or animals who live near you? If so, look out! The scraping at the door still applies to you!

Yeah--Mosquito borne zombie virus? We're all screwed man! (plus lots of other text) Whilst normally I'd scold people for an overly silly response, I cracked a smile at this one.

*snips*

One problem. What's to stop the zombies from just outside the area reinfecting the city? Or people dying from their wounds, as they regain normal abilities?

Whilst normally I'd scold people for an overly silly response, I cracked a smile at this one.

*grin* I figure: Zombies? Crap, the shite's really hit the fan; so anything goes... It's like this theory I have--if my home were ever invaded by alien ninjas or demons or something, then reality itself must have broken down and it's equally likely that fate has granted me super powers to compensate.

One problem. What's to stop the zombies from just outside the area reinfecting the city? Or people dying from their wounds, as they regain normal abilities?

I dunno, I'm too busy making out with the science-gal :D
We'll worry about all that stuff in the sequel...

The sea is downhill from where I live. So, I'd probably tie a skateboard to the bottom of my kayak, then roll all the way there. I'd probably have a few problems along the way (like actually getting started while being attacked by zombies. And sharp turns may be a bit of a problem) but if I get to the sea I'll be...er...in a slightly knackered kayak on the ocean with no supplies and no handy oil rigs or houseboats within paddling distance. Hmm...

A new virus strain manifests itself in the bloodstream of a mosquito; we'll call it the Z-Virus. This fascinating virus, when placed into the bloodstream of any animal, induces a temporary state of total unconsciousness (two hours), before "re-animating" the victim. The virus directly attacks the logical and emotional parts of the brain, destroying all but the most basic functions. They no longer feel pain, nor exhaustion, nor fear, nor love... nor sympathy. They are, for all intents and purposes, the "eternal undead". Or the "living impaired". And they grow fleshy gas masks, right? And only the Doctor can save us?

Had to point that out… resembled Empty Child quite a bit!

Me? Hell I'd just kill my mom and dad, throw some bug repellant on, pack up and move to the mountains which are about 3 hours away.. I'd only have run away from a couple hundred zombies, but they would be pre occupied with the left over families and such...
See thats what he'd do with or without the zombies! :D

I dont actually have any weapons um i guess id carry around a Cricket Bat and a Bottle of Petrol!

Just a quick question, do you actually have this?


An actual beekeepers uniform or sufficiently thick overlapping clothes that can prevent bees from finding crevices from entering? The former, no. The latter yes. Winter clothes might also suffice if you happen to have ski clothes. The non sweater type. Rubber gloves can be taped in with scotch tape. As for fishnet head covering, yes.

Ive spent so many hours veiwing all sorts of zombie movies.
From the classic Romero, to the cheap imitations.

The scenario you've proposed is a doomsday one.

If the zombies do not decay, then there is no "safe period" after the initial holocaust.
This means you cant outwait them.

The increased mobility (Dawn of the Dead Remake style) of the zombies means you cant outrun them, like the shambling kind.

If the virus can be carried by mosquito, then it can be carried as any other blood-born pathogen.
That means ticks, lice, leeches, bats, anything can carry it.

Unless you live in a sub-artic zone, heavily armed, your screwed.

Nice zombie question, but in your proposed scenario...everyone dies.

Nice zombie question, but in your proposed scenario...everyone dies.

I think people could survive such a scenario, with resourcefulness, skill and a bit of luck.

The thread starter probably just wanted to rule out the usual responses (sitting in a bunker till the zombies die, going postal with a chainsaw, outrunning the zombies at walking pace, etc).

If the virus can be carried by mosquito, then it can be carried as any other blood-born pathogen.
That means ticks, lice, leeches, bats, anything can carry it.

You sure about this? I'm no medical expert, but I've never heard of malaria being carried by anything other than mosquitos.

Originally Posted by BackwoodsSquatches
Nice zombie question, but in your proposed scenario...everyone dies. Do you think it's too difficult? I'm sorry, I just wanted to offer people a challenge, otherwise the responses get mundane and predictable. Plus even the most prepared zombie expert (such as myself) is now faced with significant obstacles that impede and can even destroy former well-laid plans.

Originally Posted by Chicken pi
I'm no medical expert, but I've never heard of malaria being carried by anything other than mosquitos. Hmm, well if you look back at my post...

Originally Posted by Falhaar
This fascinating virus, when placed into the bloodstream of any animal, induces a temporary state of total unconsciousness I hadn't really thought about if it would work on other parasitic organisms. Oh well, I'll stick to it. Watch for fleas!

I think people could survive such a scenario, with resourcefulness, skill and a bit of luck.

The thread starter probably just wanted to rule out the usual responses (sitting in a bunker till the zombies die, going postal with a chainsaw, outrunning the zombies at walking pace, etc).



You sure about this? I'm no medical expert, but I've never heard of malaria being carried by anything other than mosquitos.

Im no expert either, but I would assume any creature that takes blood from another, could probably transfer blood born pathogens, to its host.

Bats can carry rabies..ticks carry Lyme disease.....etc..

Well, I'm on the USS Kitty Hawk, so I'd be safe for a while. Even though your zombies can swim, I doubt they'd be able to scale the hull of the ship without suction cups on their hands. But we'd be fucked anyway because we'd run out of supplies. So I'd probably just do myself in with a 9mm to the brain.

I hadn't really thought about if it would work on other parasitic organisms. Oh well, I'll stick to it. Watch for fleas!

I guess it'll be the nautical life for me, then...better give the ship's rats a wide berth.

Do you think it's too difficult? I'm sorry, I just wanted to offer people a challenge, otherwise the responses get mundane and predictable. Plus even the most prepared zombie expert (such as myself) is now faced with significant obstacles that impede and can even destroy former well-laid plans.

Yah, I do. From what Ive read, it sounds like THE END.

Except for anyone who happens to own a Fortress of Solitude, in the Arctic.

But, in the spirit of fun, I'll answer the question as if I were fighting to stay alive.

First, as any Learned Zombie Survivalist Knows...the first place you should go, is the Mall.
BUT...it HAS to be one with a gun store.
Assuming you have at least some form of protection, you first eliminate any zombies in the mall.
Then, since your dealing with the West Nile Zombie Flu, you'd better seal all the airducts in the building, or at least all of the areas you'll be using. Highly recommend BATHING in mosquito repellent while working on this project.

Mental note:

Mosquitos cannot fly if the tempature is below 59-60 degrees F.
So..keep the air conditioners CRANKED.

Then, you must hole up until winter, when no mosquitos are around, and all zombies are likely frozen stiff, or at least immobilized, and sitting ducks.
You can either take this opportunity to eliminate all zombies from the community, or travel to another place, but likely another cold climate.

Even if you had a lifetime supply of mosquito repellent, there's still the matter of über-zombies that hunt in packs and live for 500 years. How could anyone survive that? Suicide would be my answer.

Here's an idea... Become a Zombie...

Here's an idea... Become a Zombie...

My thoughts exactly.

Here's an idea... Become a Zombie...

Nah, it's better to just pretend to be one, to get in with the crowd. Moan a bit, eat some people, it ain't such a bad life.

Even if you had a lifetime supply of mosquito repellent, there's still the matter of über-zombies that hunt in packs and live for 500 years. How could anyone survive that? Suicide would be my answer.

Ryanania, I do believe we worked out a tactical plan for this back in an earlier thread of a similar, albeit less extensive disaster. Assuming that I can establish radio contact with you, it is possible to form small tactical groups to sieze local refineries and stores while eliminating the local threat. As there is no additional hardening of the skull or brain matter mentioned in this strain, high powered rifle rounds would be able to neutralize the threats if you fire from aerial platforms such as helicopters. And since you are in a naval carrier group, I would assume you have the means of force projection on local areas.

First you will need a secure port of haven. In this case, that will be the oil rig, and eventually, the refineries. After that, it is possible to expand to other locales. NBC gear is recommended for all off-shore parties. I hope you can raid a DDT stockpile along the way.

Ryanania, I do believe we worked out a tactical plan for this back in an earlier thread of a similar, albeit less extensive disaster. Assuming that I can establish radio contact with you, it is possible to form small tactical groups to sieze local refineries and stores while eliminating the local threat. As there is no additional hardening of the skull or brain matter mentioned in this strain, high powered rifle rounds would be able to neutralize the threats if you fire from aerial platforms such as helicopters. And since you are in a naval carrier group, I would assume you have the means of force projection on local areas.

First you will need a secure port of haven. In this case, that will be the oil rig, and eventually, the refineries. After that, it is possible to expand to other locales. NBC gear is recommended for all off-shore parties. I hope you can raid a DDT stockpile along the way.Okay, let's assume the battle group secures a refinery, sets up a perimeter that is zombie proof, and keeps the mosquitoes and other infected animals away-- what about food for nearly 10,000 people?

I assume that the Carrier battle group carries sufficient supplies for at least a month or two without needing another rendevous with supply ships? If so, once petrol stockpiles have been secured, the next logical target would be to use the petrol to fuel efforts in securing granaries, meat storage houses and other places for food.

Actually, the frozen meat packing plants might be an excellent idea. Low temperature should remove the problem of insects and actual zombie activity should be rather low for the same reason. Of course there is the question of sustainability using this method. Thereby, I propose that while this method is used to solve the short term issue, hydrophonic equipment is also raided from the local farms for construction and use on the offshore facilities. Namely, the oil rigs.

Eventually, local military bases can be raided for arms and ammunition stockpiles.

The best idea in this sort of scenarios is to set up a self sustaining base of operations and expand from there.

Also, assuming that this is the sort of reclamation that may take decades, it may result in the securing of all remaining oil rigs in the vincinity and an establishment of a seaborne or undersea colony. The question is whether you have the expertise on the Kitty Hawk or her escorts for this sort of large scale engineering project given time.

I assume that the Carrier battle group carries sufficient supplies for at least a month or two without needing another rendevous with supply ships? If so, once petrol stockpiles have been secured, the next logical target would be to use the petrol to fuel efforts in securing granaries, meat storage houses and other places for food.

Actually, the frozen meat packing plants might be an excellent idea. Low temperature should remove the problem of insects and actual zombie activity should be rather low for the same reason. Of course there is the question of sustainability using this method. Thereby, I propose that while this method is used to solve the short term issue, hydrophonic equipment is also raided from the local farms for construction and use on the offshore facilities. Namely, the oil rigs.

Eventually, local military bases can be raided for arms and ammunition stockpiles.

The best idea in this sort of scenarios is to set up a self sustaining base of operations and expand from there.

Also, assuming that this is the sort of reclamation that may take decades, it may result in the securing of all remaining oil rigs in the vincinity and an establishment of a seaborne or undersea colony. The question is whether you have the expertise on the Kitty Hawk or her escorts for this sort of large scale engineering project given time.Presumably, we'd get more ships than are just in the Kitty Hawk battle group. Whatever ships were at sea, whether they be Australian, Japanese, Chinese, etc, would probably band together for survival, so we could have nearly 20,000 personnel, maybe more. The South Pacific would be a bad area to be in because of the humidity, so we'd need to steam up toward Kamchatka and try to secure the Russian naval facilities there, which would have oil. We might be able to raid some food from Hokkaido, which I believe has a lot of farming, but that would only be a short-term solution until we could set up enough hydroponic farms to feed everybody. There is no way we could establish an undersea colony. We could probably convert some of the ships into "farm ships," but I still doubt that that would provide enough food. We'd need to secure some land, which wouldn't be too hard in sparsely populated Siberia, as long as the zombies don't travel long distances in herds. The people who had prior experience with farming could teach other members of the crew to farm, but we'd need to become vegetarians, since there'd be zombie reindeer and whatnot. We might be able to domesticate some animals, but that would be risky.

For this specific scenario I will fastforward my life ten years into the future. First off I will put on my specially crafted anti zombie armor, this is a armor made out of kevlar and titanium (think the one in the very bad movie Bats) fashioned after a late 1500 centuary plate armor, which gives full protection against the bastard zombies biting powers and covers my body like a second skin so no mosquito bastards can reach me, bathing the thing in bug repellant is also on the to do list. And now for the weapon of choice, I will go with a titanium coated Katana crafted by a master swordsmith, this comes with 8 years of Kendo study so that I know how to slice and dice the undead freaks, so I simply fight my way free from the zombies plauging my front door and then I quickly move to the nearest army base.

At the army base my hopes would be on finding some survivors, preferably one that can pilote an airplane, if that cannot be found then I simply grab a tank and continue with the plan and head west in hopes of finding a Norweigan naval base. Upon arrival I will steal a ship and set sail for the Norweigan oil rigs. Once I have secured the rig and confirmed that all of inhabitants are not going to feel hungry and take a bite out of me. After that I think I'll improvise a way to scour the earth of the zombie bastards.

As I'm now most likely I would grab some knifes in the kitchen and then jump into a car and travel to the nearest army base hoping to find some survivors and some weapons, but it's alot more likely that I would end up as Zombie food, but I still think I would try.

Presumably, we'd get more ships than are just in the Kitty Hawk battle group. Whatever ships were at sea, whether they be Australian, Japanese, Chinese, etc, would probably band together for survival, so we could have nearly 20,000 personnel, maybe more. The South Pacific would be a bad area to be in because of the humidity, so we'd need to steam up toward Kamchatka and try to secure the Russian naval facilities there, which would have oil. We might be able to raid some food from Hokkaido, which I believe has a lot of farming, but that would only be a short-term solution until we could set up enough hydroponic farms to feed everybody. There is no way we could establish an undersea colony. We could probably convert some of the ships into "farm ships," but I still doubt that that would provide enough food. We'd need to secure some land, which wouldn't be too hard in sparsely populated Siberia, as long as the zombies don't travel long distances in herds. The people who had prior experience with farming could teach other members of the crew to farm, but we'd need to become vegetarians, since there'd be zombie reindeer and whatnot. We might be able to domesticate some animals, but that would be risky.

You would probably have to quarantine the animals in a sealed evironment and give them a thorough decontamination to ensure that they are pest free. Perhaps the raiding of poultry farms for the eggs alone to use in a hatchery for eventual domestication? No risk of external contamination.

But as for me, if you are going to go to Russia, I guess I am on my own with whatever naval assets are in the area then.

Either that or stay long enough to form a convoy and steam to Siberia.

Non-Aligned States and friend(s):

While I'm impressed with your innovation in this situation (then again, you get a lot of flexibility with a carrier battlegroup at your disposal), you have to remember that this can infect any animal with a proper circulatory system. This means we're looking at a large scale, global collapse of the Earth's eco-systems. We'll be absolutely dependent on sea-born algae for oxygen, so it would be best to either hope you have someone on board who is experienced with that type of biology or put together a mission to find and liberate someone who is. Once you have acquired someone like this, setting up hydrophonic plants to grow more salt-water algae and then releasing it into the oceans would serve two purposes:

1. A matte of algae surrounding any stationary bases you might have would preclude and zombie amphibions or even humans from finding a way in.

2. It would work to increase the overall oxygen content of the planet's atmosphere while lowering hte CO2 content, leading, hopefully, to a global cooling phenomenon over the next century, helping to destroy what parts of the ecosystem survive so as to speed up the death of the zombie population via starvation.

It would, of course, be expediant to collect DNA samples of any and all creatures encountered for sentimental reasons. We don't have the means yet to clone creatures in a vat, but that might be a possible breakthrough if you guys were to set up a program that locates and rescues un-infected scientists.

Originally Posted By Chaos Experiment
you have to remember that this can infect any animal with a proper circulatory system. This brings up an interesting point, not only would you have to worry about land-based creatures, you would also have to contend with sea and air-based one. Thus birds would be a constant hazard, the larger mass-migratory ones in particular.

Maybe whales as well.

However, from the way you mentioned the methods of transmissions, only the migratory birds would be affected as the parasitic means of transferring the disease would have a difficult time reaching whales.

Against the birds however, one only needs to ensure that they do not take a direct path overhead, which can be done by remote drones and noisemakers. Barring that, traditional flak guns assuming they can be found.

The next step after that would be to find a means of mass producing DDT for a wide scale drop.

How would the survivors be able to tell that the infection was being spread by mosquitos?

Unless one plucky scientist works it out and spreads the word, even the naval craft would become infected once they hit port and decide NBC suits aren't needed...

However, from the way you mentioned the methods of transmissions, only the migratory birds would be affected as the parasitic means of transferring the disease would have a difficult time reaching whales.

Against the birds however, one only needs to ensure that they do not take a direct path overhead, which can be done by remote drones and noisemakers. Barring that, traditional flak guns assuming they can be found.

The next step after that would be to find a means of mass producing DDT for a wide scale drop.

Also remember that most birds (the migratory kind, anyway) do not have an easy means of ripping open human flesh, at least not one that allows for fluid transmission (I'm assuming the disease spreads via bodily fluids). Claws, of course, could work, but there is no saliva or anything there for use. MOst migratory birds only have small beaks meant for things like worms ands small insects, not breaking human skin.

Originally Posted by Non-Aligned States
the parasitic means of transferring the disease would have a difficult time reaching whales. Difficult, yes, but ultimately inevitable. That's the problem with such a wide-reaching virus. The ecosystem is a large, interconnected living mass, if you have something as pervasive as the Z-Virus, it would result in an almost total infection within roughly three to six months.

Consider: Infected creature attacks seal.
Seal attacks or is ingested by shark.
Shark spots massive, lumbering hulk of flesh, ie whale.
Infected whale.

[QUOTE=Fairsinge]*grin* I figure: Zombies? Crap, the shite's really hit the fan; so anything goes... It's like this theory I have--if my home were ever invaded by alien ninjas or demons or something, then reality itself must have broken down and it's equally likely that fate has granted me super powers to compensate.



Liking the complete breakdown of physics theory, however, I'd just head for the cricket bat (a la Shaun) grow some wings and slap on some bug spray. fit girl scientist here I come!

So it would seem the most appropriate means would be to terminate the eco-system prior to infection, much like firebreaks. The only way I see that happening however, is with neutron bombs and other fast kill area affect weapons.

So it would seem the most appropriate means would be to terminate the eco-system prior to infection, much like firebreaks. The only way I see that happening however, is with neutron bombs and other fast kill area affect weapons.

That actually brings about a big point: this isn't the "living dead" in the traditional sense, the body never died, at least according to the topic creator. This means things like radiation and extreme heat are still going to have an immense effect on these creatures.

If we know where the individual attacks take place...sorry to be harsh, but bomb them. Dirty bombs, neutron bombs, anything that will kill living things quickly. It might be enough to prevent the virus spreading to uninfected areas and actually saving a significant portion of humanity.

That actually brings about a big point: this isn't the "living dead" in the traditional sense, the body never died, at least according to the topic creator. This means things like radiation and extreme heat are still going to have an immense effect on these creatures.

If we know where the individual attacks take place...sorry to be harsh, but bomb them. Dirty bombs, neutron bombs, anything that will kill living things quickly. It might be enough to prevent the virus spreading to uninfected areas and actually saving a significant portion of humanity.

The only problem is getting the authorization codes to fire these weapons. Most neutron weapons are either in the hands of the USSR or USA. And both of these require their respective presidential authorization to arm them at last glance.

You're right about us not knowing that mosquitoes carry the disease. Of course the more powerful governments of the world would survive in bunkers like Cheyenne Mountain, Mount Weather, and whatever France, England, etc has for continuity, so there would be a time during which research would be done, and hopefully they'd figure out some cure for the disease and pass it on to surviving military forces.

The carrier battlegroup would most likely find out, through our communications with land, that this disease infects every animal there is, so we'd know that we'd need to head toward a place with minimal animal activity, i.e. Siberia. Also, the humans there would probably be uninfected, since it would be hard for the zombies to travel hundreds of miles on foot. Siberia=no mosquitoes= delayed contact with the virus. So the people who live in cold places would be fine for a while. The government could carry out research in Alaska, Siberia, Scotland, and Scandinavia.

Non-Aligned-States, where do you live?

Not close enough to get to the Alaskan or Siberian coasts in a small boat. That is for certain. My current area of residence puts me near the off-shore oil fields of SE Asia.

Hence the most logical place to be in the limited range that I have would be the oil rigs.

On the bright side, acquiring samples of the virus would be very easy.

Then again....too easy.

Not close enough to get to the Alaskan or Siberian coasts in a small boat. That is for certain. My current area of residence puts me near the off-shore oil fields of SE Asia.

Hence the most logical place to be in the limited range that I have would be the oil rigs.

On the bright side, acquiring samples of the virus would be very easy.

Then again....too easy.Someone's Navy would undoubtedly go raid the oilfields, so you'd get picked up eventually. Mosquitoes don't go out to sea, so you'd be safe.

For a limited time probably. It is also a big question of whether a naval group finds me first or pirates do. But then, the oil rigs are out of the way of commercial shipping lanes so it should be ok.

For a limited time probably. It is also a big question of whether a naval group finds me first or pirates do. But then, the oil rigs are out of the way of commercial shipping lanes so it should be ok.Even if the pirates got you, look on the bright side: they'd probably just enslave you. You can never have too many slaves.

Well if there is a virus then it is possible to create a vaccination. With it I will be immune to the virus, and since they aren't attacking, then there is nothing to fear. If they are then I will just have to slice through some limbs and rip out all of their organs one by one.

Well if there is a virus then it is possible to create a vaccination. With it I will be immune to the virus, and since they aren't attacking, then there is nothing to fear. If they are then I will just have to slice through some limbs and rip out all of their organs one by one.Good luck getting that vaccine. And even if you did somehow acquire a vaccine, the zombies would still eat you, so good luck surviving having your throat ripped out.

Step one: Put on heaviest clothes I can, so mosquitos can't get in.
Step two: Grab food and water.
Step three: Get chainmail shirt in case I'm forced to enter melee.
Step four: Get shotgun from basement. Don't have any ammo, but I can get that later.
Step five: Get mallet from basement.
Step six: Exit from side door, bashing zombie skulls, and make my way to the garage.
Step seven: Grab machete from garage.
Step eight: Make way to Prius, as it gets more miles on a full tank than any other cars in the general area, and it's tank is small, minimizing the time I spend refilling the tank.
Step nine: Get in Prius and drive north, towards Canada.
Optional step ten: On way to Canada, raid Home Depot for weapons of zombie destruction.

Once in Canada, I'll rendevous with other survivors. Maybe I'll join up with the navies.

Step one: Put on heaviest clothes I can, so mosquitos can't get in.
Step two: Grab food and water.
Step three: Get chainmail shirt in case I'm forced to enter melee.
Step four: Get shotgun from basement. Don't have any ammo, but I can get that later.
Step five: Get mallet from basement.
Step six: Exit from side door, bashing zombie skulls, and make my way to the garage.
Step seven: Grab machete from garage.
Step eight: Make way to Prius, as it gets more miles on a full tank than any other cars in the general area, and it's tank is small, minimizing the time I spend refilling the tank.
Step nine: Get in Prius and drive north, towards Canada.
Optional step ten: On way to Canada, raid Home Depot for weapons of zombie destruction.

Once in Canada, I'll rendevous with other survivors. Maybe I'll join up with the navies.
You own a chainmail shirt?

Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

You own a chainmail shirt?
Yep. $25 at a garage sale.

Step three: Get chainmail shirt in case I'm forced to enter melee.

Is this the kind of chainmail shirt that covers your head and neck as well as your torso?

Is this the kind of chainmail shirt that covers your head and neck as well as your torso?
Sadly, just torso and upper arms. Help if they tried to punch me, in that it'd damage their hand, but it's mainly as a last resort, because it's fucking heavy.

One word - caves

From the last 'zombie' thread. :)

Sadly, just torso and upper arms. Help if they tried to punch me, in that it'd damage their hand, but it's mainly as a last resort, because it's fucking heavy.

You could probably do with some kind of helmet or thick cap that covers your head and neck, then. Zombies always seem to go for the neck (not speaking from personal experience, of course).


One word - caves

From the last 'zombie' thread. :)

That was a very practical idea. However, the fact that any creature with a circulatory system can carry the virus complicates it a little. You'd probably have to choose a cave in frozen tundra somewhere.

You could probably do with some kind of helmet or thick cap that covers your head and neck, then. Zombies always seem to go for the neck (not speaking from personal experience, of course).

Luckily, if this happens in September or October, I could raid a Ren Fair. Not only would I get armor, I'd get weaponry too.

Luckily, if this happens in September or October, I could raid a Ren Fair. Not only would I get armor, I'd get weaponry too.

Nice...just don't get carried away and end up ingesting any zombie blood.

And you could probably do with getting some other survivors together, since fighting thousands of zombies is tiring work (in fact, some historians have theorised that medieval knights used a 'buddy' system - one fights while the other rests).



These zombies are fast, can climb, swim and sustain extreme damage before perishing. Only the direct removal of the cerebellum ends the life of the individual.

I just had a thought...would they be intelligent enough to try and climb to the second floor of a house and smash through the windows? Because that would suck.

Is there any change to the general physiology of the Zombies besides degenerating the brain for the body? If not, I'd grab some survival gear, hightail from the city, go FAR away (like Canadian Territories far), meet up with my mad scientist of a friend (he's obsessed with Tesla coils), and rendevous with other survivors, provided there are survivors (one has to be a hot chick who likes me and another a biochemist who's obsessed with destroying living things).

Then I'd call up Kevin Mitnick, have him hack into NORAD and fire a nuke in my city's general direction. If that doesn't work, Lockheed Martin's missiles, then PLA scuds, N. Korea's missiles, and Sarin gas the whole place. If all else fails, I'll call up Osama bin Laden and see how many planes he can crash into the area. If that doesn't level the city, I'll team up with my friend, Jill Valentine, pre-Umbrella , but post-evolved Alice, Carlos Rivera, and Nemesis (well, not Nems unless we had the remote control) and raid the city.

Originally Posted by Chicken pi
I just had a thought...would they be intelligent enough to try and climb to the second floor of a house and smash through the windows? Because that would suck. If they heard you or smelled you, then yes.

If they heard you or smelled you, then yes.

Is this the case at the start of the scenario (the "There is a steady scrape against your front door." line seems to suggest that it is)?

And they grow fleshy gas masks, right? And only the Doctor can save us?

Had to point that out… resembled Empty Child quite a bit!

except that the empty children didn't kill, they just wanted their mummies to be loved!
and were scarier. Zombis don't om-com through the radio, stalk you, have creepy voices, and cannot regenerate due to nano-genes.

Nano-genes? bah! the borg had robo-nano-genes!

Originally Posted by Chicken pi
Is this the case at the start of the scenario (the "There is a steady scrape against your front door." line seems to suggest that it is)? Well it isn't the door of your bedroom, it's the front door of your house/flat.

Even if the pirates got you, look on the bright side: they'd probably just enslave you. You can never have too many slaves.

The problem is that with the slave mentality, slaves are usually considered expendable if they don't have some unique, hard to replace skill.

But then again, I would be sitting on top of a big fire hazard as well.

Hmmm, since the brain matter is not hardened or fire proofed, that means if the crude could be jellified, flamethrowers would work, melting the brain matter in seconds.

Or barring that, fire corridoors. I don't recall changes being made in the physiology, so high heat flames should melt the muscles and brain matter relatively quickly. Hmmm, that would be a good way to create denial zones I think.

Also, if they lack higher mental functions, simple booby traps would work for those in forested areas. Things like punji sticks, spiked logs and such.

Well it isn't the door of your bedroom, it's the front door of your house/flat.

But it would still make it rather awkward to get prepared. If the zombies are unaware of your presence, you'd probably be able to spend a good few hours sneaking about your house gathering supplies, equipment and improvised weapons. If they're already hammering on your door, you would probably need a chainsaw and a "zombie survival kit" stashed under your bed.

Originally Posted by Chicken pi
But it would still make it rather awkward to get prepared. If the zombies are unaware of your presence, you'd probably be able to spend a good few hours sneaking about your house gathering supplies, equipment and improvised weapons. If they're already hammering on your door, you would probably need a chainsaw and a "zombie survival kit" stashed under your bed. Fair point. I'll change it a little so it isn't just a wake-up and die scenario. You may inspect the first post at your leisure.

Me? Well, I'd probably end up trying to get to Ft. Indiantown Gap (the nearest military base) or Willow Grove NAS, and hoping that the area's still clean and there's still a couple helicopters left by the time I get there. Barring that... well, it's off to the local gun store and stealing a shortwave from somwhere. Some government survivors would be bound to be broadcasting from their bunker.


Oh, do battle fleets carry any napalm bombs or FAEBs? That'd make life a bit easier for those fleeing zombies, and, heck, during a drought you could even start a wildfire. After all, isn't it going to be a bit hard to get permission to use nukes?

Me? Well, I'd probably end up trying to get to Ft. Indiantown Gap (the nearest military base) or Willow Grove NAS, and hoping that the area's still clean and there's still a couple helicopters left by the time I get there. Barring that... well, it's off to the local gun store and stealing a shortwave from somwhere. Some government survivors would be bound to be broadcasting from their bunker.


Oh, do battle fleets carry any napalm bombs or FAEBs? That'd make life a bit easier for those fleeing zombies, and, heck, during a drought you could even start a wildfire. After all, isn't it going to be a bit hard to get permission to use nukes?Napalm is illegal, however cluster munitions are not. Cluster munitions would splatter crowds of zombies pretty effectively, and hell, we could even use 1,000 lb bombs. Carriers generally don't tote nukes around, but Ohio class SSBNs do, and they'd undoubtedly rendezvous with the nearest fleet. Nukes would be a bad idea, because they'd make the earth uninhabitable for us as well.

Okay, so we've established a perimeter around Petropavlovsk with landmines, razorwire, machine gun nests, etc. Patrols are everywhere 24/7, and we have a large number of personnel from around the Pacific, including Russians, Americans, Japanese, Australians, and whoever else happened to be in the area. No lack of manpower. We'd go raid the oilfields with our auxiliary tankers (and I guess we'd pick up non-aligned). It would be a while before any zombies made their way to Kamchatka, since there are no mosquitoes there, and in the event that the zombies do migrate there, we'd be more than ready. Next step: restart civilization in the cold areas of the planet.

Hmmm, what about thermobaric munitions? And if you are going to Petropavlovsk, wouldn't that put you within striking range of the Siberian defense plants and the cosmodrome there? I forgot its name. There would be plenty of munitions to scavenge there to supplement yours if I am not mistaken.

Hmmm, what about thermobaric munitions? And if you are going to Petropavlovsk, wouldn't that put you within striking range of the Siberian defense plants and the cosmodrome there? I forgot its name. There would be plenty of munitions to scavenge there to supplement yours if I am not mistaken.Yes.

Oh, do battle fleets carry any napalm bombs or FAEBs? That'd make life a bit easier for those fleeing zombies, and, heck, during a drought you could even start a wildfire. After all, isn't it going to be a bit hard to get permission to use nukes?

If the world has turned to zombies, I don't think getting permission to use nuclear weapons would be a problem. And if there is anyone one still surviving, they'll probably be mad/panicing enough to let you.

But one thought does spring to mind:

If the Russians invented it, surely they invented a defence for it, lest something were to go wrong. So we would have to go to Russia and find this stuff!

If the Russians invented it, surely they invented a defence for it, lest something were to go wrong. So we would have to go to Russia and find this stuff!I wouldn't trust the Russians to be that thorough. I mean, just look at how well they keep track of their nuclear weapons. "Russia has lot's of bombs! We don't know where they all are, but we have lot's of bombs!"

Ah, but that is simply keeping track of it. Who is to say that they do not have the defence? If it runs true to form, all you need to do is to find it.

As for the use of nuclear arms, if memory serves, they are linked to a nuclear 'football' are they not? If the president is dead, the weapons cannot be activated whatsoever.

Russian nuclear weapons, I am not certain off.

russia also has the "football" only its called somthing thats not stupid......but no fear im sure there is a way to launch them anyways.i often thought about this subject too.the thing is kiddies the zombie virus is real although not quite as effective so far it will only bring people back from the dead for 2 to 3 hours......... :rolleyes: but im sure now that the U.N has a sample they'll make it last days months even dare i say...years i saw it on bbc its odd that not even one of you knew this mmmm i for one am waiting for the evil zombies to overtake the planet :D i shall post my escape plan later but for now i must make haste

Steal Warrior, actually, the virus only turns them to zombies AFTER 2-3 hours, wherein they stay active for the next 500 years or so.

russia also has the "football" only its called somthing thats not stupid......but no fear im sure there is a way to launch them anyways.i often thought about this subject too.the thing is kiddies the zombie virus is real although not quite as effective so far it will only bring people back from the dead for 2 to 3 hours......... :rolleyes: but im sure now that the U.N has a sample they'll make it last days months even dare i say...years i saw it on bbc its odd that not even one of you knew this mmmm i for one am waiting for the evil zombies to overtake the planet :D i shall post my escape plan later but for now i must make haste

No, the BBC zombie virus article was a hoax, albeit a very well executed one. It's been posted on NS at least five times before.