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Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!

:rolleyes:

This sort of militancy never fails to draw laughter from onlookers.

*Steals a slice of Cabra's pizza and walks off-screen*

i did not say this!

"would you actually trust a fat person?..in the workplace?...i mean..if they can't look after their own body ..how are they gonna cope with the job?"

:rolleyes:

This sort of militancy never fails to draw laughter from onlookers.

*Steals a slice of Cabra's pizza and walks off-screen*

Care to elaborate?
What prompted me to this thread was the abuse and hostility I found when I read through "Dangers of Obesity"

Sorry, I don't care for pizza, all I can offer you is a cup of tea....
Btw, why did you asume that I might be obese?

i did not say this!

"would you actually trust a fat person?..in the workplace?...i mean..if they can't look after their own body ..how are they gonna cope with the job?"

Funny you should mention that... how many IT specialists do you know? ;)

Btw, why did you asume that I might be obese?
Never in my life have I met a healthily-proportioned person getting so worked up about the cruelty of society, etc. Non-fat people just don't rant like this.

Funny you should mention that... how many IT specialists do you know? ;)

none...i do not socialise with that kind of people.... <.< >.>..ha only joking..no actuall the I.T people i know are reasonably trim...british average

Never in my life have I met a healthily-proportioned person getting so worked up about the cruelty of society, etc. Non-fat people just don't rant like this.

Wow... there must be a hell of a lot of fat people in NS!
Considering the rants I read so far ;)

Btw, I'm not worked up about society, only some of its nastier elements... :(

Children are ugly. Nothing wrong with saying it. They'll grow over it eventually ;)
Extremely fat people can be revolting to look at. Thankfully most people are able to ignore it if the extremely fat person is wearing clothes.
Jews wear silly hats sometimes.
Soldiers wear uniforms. Ugly things most sane people automatically find repulsive because they - quite naturally - associate the uniforms with war.

Ok I'm sure some are gonna disagree with me, but we're a diverse bunch. Embrace it. I'm sorry I (and many others) find extremely fat people revolting. It's nothing personal, and believe me, I'd much rather I didn't. Feeling a need to yammer out loud when I go to the beach isn't my idea of fun either. I do try not to make people aware of the fact they almost make me regurgitate whatever I've eaten, tho. I agree it's rude in the extreme. It doesn't serve any purpose to make people aware how ugly or nausiating I find them. If it made me feel better, I'd reevaluate my position, but it doesn't.

On the off chance we should ever meet eachother and I suddenly grow pale, please accept my humble apology. It's a natural reaction for me. I do hope you won't notice, but if you do, rest assured I'm painfully aware I'm an asshole. There just isn't much I can do about it, other than try and hide my disgust.

Watching small children and spastics eat aren't one of my strong sides either, but it's easier to avoid.

As someone else in that thread already stated,

Fat people have the right to stuff themselves full of food and I reserve the right to make fun of them.

It's not that I hate only fat people, there are plenty of other people I hate:

1. Homeless people, esp. beggars,
2. Morons,
3. Cretins,
4. Imbeciles,
5. Lazy people,
6. Kids who think they're funny, but aren't,
7. Immature people,
8. Excuse-makers,
9. Free-loaders and,
10. Et cetera.

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

Simple, they suck up valuable recourses. They eat more food and require more medical attention than they otherwise would if they would just take care of themselves , thus increasing demand for these things, thus hurting me. Seriously being fat is just selfish. Plus I hate laziness, as the overweight tend to exhibit.

Children are ugly. Nothing wrong with saying it. They'll grow over it eventually ;)
Extremely fat people can be revolting to look at. Thankfully most people are able to ignore it if the extremely fat person is wearing clothes.
Jews wear silly hats sometimes.
Soldiers wear uniforms. Ugly things most sane people automatically find repulsive because they - quite naturally - associate the uniforms with war.

Ok I'm sure some are gonna disagree with me, but we're a diverse bunch. Embrace it. I'm sorry I (and many others) find extremely fat people revolting. It's nothing personal, and believe me, I'd much rather I didn't. Feeling a need to yammer out loud when I go to the beach isn't my idea of fun either. I do try not to make people aware of the fact they almost make me regurgitate whatever I've eaten, tho. I agree it's rude in the extreme. It doesn't serve any purpose to make people aware how ugly or nausiating I find them. If it made me feel better, I'd reevaluate my position, but it doesn't.

On the off chance we should ever meet eachother and I suddenly grow pale, please accept my humble apology. It's a natural reaction for me. I do hope you won't notice, but if you do, rest assured I'm painfully aware I'm an asshole. There just isn't much I can do about it, other than try and hide my disgust.

Watching small children and spastics eat aren't one of my strong sides either, but it's easier to avoid.


:D :D :D
Trust me, you wouldn't turn pale. I'm not extremely fat, just overweight enough for people with small brains to make comments about. I can buy my clothes in a normal shop, and I have enouh sense not to wear bikinis, if that's a consolation.

I wouldn't want to go around telling people what they have to find beautiful and what ugly. After all, I don't work in fashion.
But why some people in NS seem to find other peoples bodies so offensive is beyond me. You don't like it, don't look. No need to get impolite to the extreme about it...

If that is someones opinion then why shouldn't they have the right to express it. I don't go off on obese people for having the inability to live a healthy lifestyle and call them a bunch of names but if I did feel that way, then my opinion and my vocal cords give me the right.

Extreme obesity is usually a good sign of a person with no self respect. Yes, I know there are a small number with thyroid problems and other reason, but they are in the vast minority.

If you can't even respect yourself, why do you think other people should respect you?

BTW, same goes for bulimic freaks as well.

As someone else in that thread already stated,

Fat people have the right to stuff themselves full of food and I reserve the right to make fun of them.

It's not that I hate only fat people, there are plenty of other people I hate:

1. Homeless people, esp. beggars,
2. Morons,
3. Cretins,
4. Imbeciles,
5. Lazy people,
6. Kids who think they're funny, but aren't,
7. Immature people,
8. Excuse-makers,
9. Free-loaders and,
10. Et cetera.

I fucking hate people that make lists of what they hate.
*L*

If that is someones opinion then why shouldn't they have the right to express it. I don't go off on obese people for having the inability to live a healthy lifestyle and call them a bunch of names but if I did feel that way, then my opinion and my vocal cords give me the right.

See, that's my point. It's their lifestyle, they can do whatever they want, healthy or not. Why would the lifstyle of a stranger be of any concern to you?

Seriously being fat is just selfish.

So is breathing... that's just other people taking away air that I could use [/sarcasm]

Plus I hate laziness, as the overweight tend to exhibit.

How do you define lazyness?

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!


I dont feel I have the right to abuse someone like that. I would have to have an awfully good reason to do so.
I have nothing against fat people in general. I would only have thoughts of sympathy- I feel given the choice, they would most likely choose to be fit. I also know how hard it is for people to lose weight and maintain it.

What makes you think I need permission?

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!
Um ... I don't. :(

See, that's my point. It's their lifestyle, they can do whatever they want, healthy or not. Why would the lifstyle of a stranger be of any concern to you?


I agree - you have the right to live the life you choose to. I wasnt disputing that. MY point was that I have the right to say whatever I want about the way you live your life - As you seem to be saying noone has the right.

Never in my life have I met a healthily-proportioned person getting so worked up about the cruelty of society, etc. Non-fat people just don't rant like this.

Yeah, it's as annoying as those damn blacks whining about racism.* :rolleyes:

*For those of you with comprehension problems, this is sarcasm. I have found that people often fail to take note of the smiley

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?
They take up so much space, and they eat too much! They just such inconvenient people. They're also unpleasant to look at, oftentimes.

EDIT: I'm only really annoyed by obese people. People who are just fat are alright.

Some of you seem to think your freedom of speech involves verbal abuse of some minority you disagree with. That is not what Freedom of Speech is about.

If you feel you have an obligation to go around making other people miserable for no apparent reason, I feel obliged to tell you I wish you all manner of bodily harm and social isolation.

Funny you should mention that... how many IT specialists do you know? ;)

!!!

i did not say this!

"would you actually trust a fat person?..in the workplace?...i mean..if they can't look after their own body ..how are they gonna cope with the job?"

Would you trust a black person because they are black? Would you trust an Asian because they have slitted eyes? Would you trust a woman who wore a burkha? Would you trust a Mexican wearing a sombrero trying to cross the border?

Just because somebody looks a certain way doesn't mean that they fit a stereotype. Saying an obese person can't be trusted because they don't look after their body is a stereotype of people who don't understand being obese. Some people can't help it, like those who are sick with another illness, such as diabetes.

(I know you didn't say it, I'm just responding to the quote.)

i did not say this!

"would you actually trust a fat person?..in the workplace?...i mean..if they can't look after their own body ..how are they gonna cope with the job?"

Would you trust an anorexic person? They can't look after there own bodies. Its more likely a heavy person can cope better with their job than someone who starves themselves.

(Blackadder would never say such things!)

How do you define lazyness?

Fat people are to lazy to fix their problem. Eating healthfully is not hard. Food is just a thing you need to survive, it doesn't have to taste good. Exercising is not that difficult, barring a medical condition, of course. You just have to be unlazy enough to get off your rear end and do a little work. You know what, you feel better afterward too.

Fat people are to lazy to fix their problem. Eating healthfully is not hard. Food is just a thing you need to survive, it doesn't have to taste good. Exercising is not that difficult, barring a medical condition, of course. You just have to be unlazy enough to get off your rear end and do a little work. You know what, you feel better afterward too.

Easier said than done. Would you be able to change your life style at the drop of a hat. In that case smokers and alcoholics are lazy too. You need neither ciggies or alcohol to survive. It only takes a little work...

Easier said than done. Would you be able to change your life style at the drop of a hat. In that case smokers and alcoholics are lazy too. You need neither ciggies or alcohol to survive. It only takes a little work...

True. I had a hell of a time quitting smoking. Gah, it was intense to say the least (people didn't enjoy my company for a couple of weeks). But I take full responsibility for being in the situation I was in and was able to overcome my problems. Food can be medicine or it can be poison. What we put in our bodies is our choice (except when living with some parents) and the resulting condition comes from those choices. ALso, healthy food can be delicious all the time if you know what you're doing.

Our culture has placed fat people as the undesirables. Why it has I'm not sure, and I don't really care.

No need to fear if you're obese though--if you show love and respect for yourself, than people who matter will show it in you.

And, the world is getting fatter anyway. China now has more obese people than America (although proportionally America is still the fattest nation). Being overweight in America is already normal because most people are (even though it's still an undesirable normal). In a matter of years it'll become accepted as the normal.

And to all those who point out the truth that overweight and obesity are unhealthy, I'd like to point out that being fat but physically active is healthier than being thin and inactive.

Be proud of yourself and your beliefs. Fuck the world and their "normality". If you're fine with the way you are, raise your middle fingers at the people who make fun of you for being fat. They're probably just using it as a smokescreen to cover up something they hate about themselves anyway, so to hell with them. If you want to become more physically active, do it. If you don't, don't. Screw everyone and what they think. Who cares if they think it takes too much resources to keep you alive? Those people probably hate the successful in life because it takes more resources than necessary to keep them alive too.

Life's too short to care about what others think about you. The only thing that matters is whether or not you like yourself.

Believe in yourself, be happy with yourself, because you're a great person. Someone being more fit than you doesn't make them better than you. No one is better or worse than you.

I generally don't have anything to say about a person't attempt to eat themselves to death unless it impacts my safety... which it has.

When I am trapped in a stairwell behind a morbidly obese person (not a healthy overweight person) my life is endangered.

When I am squashed into a bulkhead on an airplane/bus/train by a morbidly obese person who tries to fit 2 or 3 body-equivilents into a Coach seat, my life is endangered (try exiting a bus through a Sumo sometime...)

When I am smashed into a grocer's shelves by a morbidly obese person's lack of personal-space awareness, my health & safety is endangered.

When stuff like this happens you bet your bippy I'm going to (and have) throw(n) a fit. Otherwise, they can eat themselves to death if they want to.

What we put in our bodies is our choice (except when living with some parents) and the resulting condition comes from those choices. ALso, healthy food can be delicious all the time if you know what you're doing.

Ya, but if the problem has stemmed from childhood, even eating healthy isn't always an option. I am slightly overweight. A few years ago I broke, and tore a legiment in one ankle and constanly sprained the other. I couldn't do any form of sports for 18 months. Naturally I put on weight. I took up Taekwondo and lost a lot of it, but not all it. Then I hit 6th year when I had to do the evilness that is the Leaving cert. From Monday to Thursday I was in school(which is 15 miles fromm my house) from 8.30 am to 9pm. Saturday I had grinds. Sunday, I did homework and slept. Yes I could and should have taken care of myself properly, but I was too busy. College is the same, I'm still living at home cos I can't afford to move out. I eat relatively healthily. I go to the gym when I can, but as I'm so busy with college, sleep(of which I get very little), part time job and running a society in college I'm too busy. and despite the fact I am forever running around I am still over weight. Its not that easy.

well done for quitting smoking. :)

Our culture has placed fat people as the undesirables. Why it has I'm not sure, and I don't really care.

No need to fear if you're obese though--if you show love and respect for yourself, than people who matter will show it in you.

And, the world is getting fatter anyway. China now has more obese people than America (although proportionally America is still the fattest nation). Being overweight in America is already normal because most people are (even though it's still an undesirable normal). In a matter of years it'll become accepted as the normal.

And to all those who point out the truth that overweight and obesity are unhealthy, I'd like to point out that being fat but physically active is healthier than being thin and inactive.

Be proud of yourself and your beliefs. Fuck the world and their "normality". If you're fine with the way you are, raise your middle fingers at the people who make fun of you for being fat. They're probably just using it as a smokescreen to cover up something they hate about themselves anyway, so to hell with them. If you want to become more physically active, do it. If you don't, don't. Screw everyone and what they think. Who cares if they think it takes too much resources to keep you alive? Those people probably hate the successful in life because it takes more resources than necessary to keep them alive too.

Life's too short to care about what others think about you. The only thing that matters is whether or not you like yourself.

Believe in yourself, be happy with yourself, because you're a great person. Someone being more fit than you doesn't make them better than you. No one is better or worse than you.

Well said!

Ya, but if the problem has stemmed from childhood, even eating healthy isn't always an option. I am slightly overweight. A few years ago I broke, and tore a legiment in one ankle and constanly sprained the other. I couldn't do any form of sports for 18 months. Naturally I put on weight. I took up Taekwondo and lost a lot of it, but not all it. Then I hit 6th year when I had to do the evilness that is the Leaving cert. From Monday to Thursday I was in school(which is 15 miles fromm my house) from 8.30 am to 9pm. Saturday I had grinds. Sunday, I did homework and slept. Yes I could and should have taken care of myself properly, but I was too busy. College is the same, I'm still living at home cos I can't afford to move out. I eat relatively healthily. I go to the gym when I can, but as I'm so busy with college, sleep(of which I get very little), part time job and running a society in college I'm too busy. and despite the fact I am forever running around I am still over weight. Its not that easy.

well done for quitting smoking. :)
IMO there is a huge, huge difference (no pun intended) between being "overweight" (a seriously subjective classification) and being "obese" or "morbidly obese". AFAIC, I really have no issues with any human up to about 250lbs (some exceptions apply). Some specific people can even be larger and (arguably) healthy. But for all intents and purposes, the adult human body was not designed/adapted to survive (without modern medical assistance) being sub 100 or super 200 for very long. But it is silly to complain about people who are simply "Rubenesque".

But it is silly to complain about people who are simply "Rubenesque".

Hahahahaha I like it!! It shall be my new title!

Easier said than done. Would you be able to change your life style at the drop of a hat. In that case smokers and alcoholics are lazy too. You need neither ciggies or alcohol to survive. It only takes a little work...

Comparing over-eating to smoking and alcohol is foolish. Alcoholism is a disease, while being overweight rarely is. You are not chemically dependant on fatty foods, like a smoker is to nicotine.

Our culture has placed fat people as the undesirables. Why it has I'm not sure, and I don't really care.

No need to fear if you're obese though--if you show love and respect for yourself, than people who matter will show it in you.

And, the world is getting fatter anyway. China now has more obese people than America (although proportionally America is still the fattest nation). Being overweight in America is already normal because most people are (even though it's still an undesirable normal). In a matter of years it'll become accepted as the normal.

And to all those who point out the truth that overweight and obesity are unhealthy, I'd like to point out that being fat but physically active is healthier than being thin and inactive.

Be proud of yourself and your beliefs. Fuck the world and their "normality". If you're fine with the way you are, raise your middle fingers at the people who make fun of you for being fat. They're probably just using it as a smokescreen to cover up something they hate about themselves anyway, so to hell with them. If you want to become more physically active, do it. If you don't, don't. Screw everyone and what they think. Who cares if they think it takes too much resources to keep you alive? Those people probably hate the successful in life because it takes more resources than necessary to keep them alive too.

Life's too short to care about what others think about you. The only thing that matters is whether or not you like yourself.

Believe in yourself, be happy with yourself, because you're a great person. Someone being more fit than you doesn't make them better than you. No one is better or worse than you.

I find your politically correct justification of an utter lack of willpower in our society to be disgusting. I do agree with you that life is short, especially if you are fat.

Hahahahaha I like it!! It shall be my new title!
Do you understand the reference? (Asks the skinny guy with an Art Book...)

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!

...maybe an obese person sat or fell on them...

Comparing over-eating to smoking and alcohol is foolish. Alcoholism is a disease, while being overweight rarely is. You are not chemically dependant on fatty foods, like a smoker is to nicotine.



I find your politically correct justification of an utter lack of willpower in our society to be disgusting. I do agree with you that life is short, especially if you are fat.

No one loved you as a child did they?!!!

As for comparing over eating to smoking and alcohol, they're all vices. Certain foods are addictive. I can't remember the name of one of the ingredients in Pringles, but it is highly addictive.

Why are so against heavy people??? Life is even shorter if your bitter and mean!

Comparing over-eating to smoking and alcohol is foolish. Alcoholism is a disease, while being overweight rarely is. You are not chemically dependant on fatty foods, like a smoker is to nicotine.

Check the newest research and you'll see you're wrong. Over-eating, especially on simple carbs causes the brain to release seratonin and other happy chemicals into the blodstream and brain. So you *are* addicted, just to your own bodies chemicals. Works the same way for sex addicts. Both can be types of self-medicating; just like nicotine and alcohol.
And another thing, you can't just quit eating completely like you can quite smoking and drinking. Could you imagine being a recovering alcoholic and having to drink a small amount every day or eventually die? It's not an easy struggle; please don't belittle it.

And no, I personally am not obese, just a little more sensative to others than some.

Do you understand the reference? (Asks the skinny guy with an Art Book...)

Yes.... I think so. But now I am confused

http://rubenesquepersonals.com/

Ya know, at a size 12 I hardly feel it's anyones business how much I eat or exercise. My mother and my roommates are all overweight, and I don't give them a hard time. There's no need to be insulting. Yes, we have freedom of speech, but it's still bad manners. You have the right to have bad manners, but the rest of us can still tell you you're an asshole.

BTW, I weigh 140 at 5'7", my roommates are 300 and 320, at 6'4" and 6'5" respectively.

Extreme obesity is usually a good sign of a person with no self respect. Yes, I know there are a small number with thyroid problems and other reason, but they are in the vast minority.

If you can't even respect yourself, why do you think other people should respect you?

BTW, same goes for bulimic freaks as well.

There is usually some reason an obese person (or bulemic for that matter) with esteem issues has them in the first place; and many times the original issue was not under their control. It is insensitive in the extreme to make their problems worse by pushing their self esteem even farther down by verbally abusing them. If no one treats them kindly how is it you expect them to become anything different that what they are now?

And WTF happened to just simple respect for other human beings for no other reason than that they are living breathing self-aware creatures just like you?

Check the newest research and you'll see you're wrong. Over-eating, especially on simple carbs causes the brain to release seratonin and other happy chemicals into the blodstream and brain. So you *are* addicted, just to your own bodies chemicals. Works the same way for sex addicts. Both can be types of self-medicating; just like nicotine and alcohol.

You guys sure are serrious about comparring food to addictive chemicals, huh. I swear political correctness has gone too far. Your obvioulsy to lost to ever be swayed.

And no, I personally am not obese, just a little more sensative to others than some.

By accepting their problem you give them lease to continue to waste resources. If people in the US would eat reasonably, we would have enough food to feed most if not all the starving children in Africa. They must be ridiculed and rejected by society so they will change. Of course, they might just put a bullet in their head, but either works.

Ya know, at a size 12 I hardly feel it's anyones business how much I eat or exercise. My mother and my roommates are all overweight, and I don't give them a hard time. There's no need to be insulting. Yes, we have freedom of speech, but it's still bad manners. You have the right to have bad manners, but the rest of us can still tell you you're an asshole.

BTW, I weigh 140 at 5'7", my roommates are 300 and 320, at 6'4" and 6'5" respectively.

Bitchkitten, are your roommates offensive linemen on the college football team? hehe

There is usually some reason an obese person (or bulemic for that matter) with esteem issues has them in the first place; and many times the original issue was not under their control. It is insensitive in the extreme to make their problems worse by pushing their self esteem even farther down by verbally abusing them. If no one treats them kindly how is it you expect them to become anything different that what they are now?

And WTF happened to just simple respect for other human beings for no other reason than that they are living breathing self-aware creatures just like you?


case in point, my fiance whos parents fed her all the junk food she could eat from birth. Then she grew fat. She has aspirations of doing gymnastics and other sports but her parents told her she was too fat and wouldn't let her do anything of the sort. They would constantly tell her she couldnt do things and now as an adult even as she eats healthy and regularly works out she has self-esteem issues and thinks she is fat despite how good she looks, plus she always doubts her ability to do anything becuce she was raised that way. I am always tryign to empower and and constantly helping her to prove to herself that she can in fact accomplish anything she wants.

You guys sure are serrious about comparring food to addictive chemicals, huh. I swear political correctness has gone too far. Your obvioulsy to lost to ever be swayed.



By accepting their problem you give them lease to continue to waste resources. If people in the US would eat reasonably, we would have enough food to feed most if not all the starving children in Africa. They must be ridiculed and rejected by society so they will change. Of course, they might just put a bullet in their head, but either works.

Political Correctness??? food v addictive chemicals. Where are you seeing PC there? :confused:

Hey if certain governents in Africa stopped messing around, I'm sure they could find better ways of spending their money than on military supplies.

Yes.... I think so. But now I am confused

http://rubenesquepersonals.com/
Rubens was a famous painter that specialized in nearly-naked "plump" women... which was fashionable at the time (it meant you were well off enough to have plenty to eat and servants to do your work). All of those paintings of women over the stereotypical 1800's Cowboy Saloon were patterned after Rubens.

I was just making sure - most people don't get it.

case in point, my fiance whos parents fed her all the junk food she could eat from birth. Then she grew fat. She has aspirations of doing gymnastics and other sports but her parents told her she was too fat and wouldn't let her do anything of the sort. They would constantly tell her she couldnt do things and now as an adult even as she eats healthy and regularly works out she has self-esteem issues and thinks she is fat despite how good she looks, plus she always doubts her ability to do anything becuce she was raised that way. I am always tryign to empower and and constantly helping her to prove to herself that she can in fact accomplish anything she wants.
Feeders are Evil.

I swear political correctness has gone too far. Your obvioulsy to lost to ever be swayed.

It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with acknowledging that you have no idea what any particular person struggles with on a day to day basis and you therefore have no right to judge them. Within the privacy of your own mind no one can tell you what to think; but I personally find attitudes like yours utterly abhorent.

And I honestly have no idea what that second sentance is intended to mean...



By accepting their problem you give them lease to continue to waste resources. If people in the US would eat reasonably, we would have enough food to feed most if not all the starving children in Africa. They must be ridiculed and rejected by society so they will change. Of course, they might just put a bullet in their head, but either works.


There you're wrong again. I agree with you that it is definitely a problem and that it needs to be addressed so that resources can go where people are dying in need of them. That said; I vehemently disagree with your method of dealing with it. Ridicule and rejection leads to further self-esteem issues (for those where that is the core issue); and eventually to self-hatred. Which in that situation leads to *more eating*; not exactly effective. I don't have an answer, if anyone had a real answer for this the world would be an easier place. But until there is one you're not helping the problem by acting in the manner you describe, you're making it worse.

That last comment I can't even really respond to. I'm consistently amazed and disgusted by the lack of empathy people show to each other.

feeders?

Ya know, at a size 12 I hardly feel it's anyones business how much I eat or exercise. My mother and my roommates are all overweight, and I don't give them a hard time. There's no need to be insulting. Yes, we have freedom of speech, but it's still bad manners. You have the right to have bad manners, but the rest of us can still tell you you're an asshole.

BTW, I weigh 140 at 5'7", my roommates are 300 and 320, at 6'4" and 6'5" respectively.
You are quite normal.
However:
Your roommates are quite ill. One is near Morbid, the other IS Morbid. They need help. Sooner than later.

feeders?
A Feeder is that particular perversion that pushes food at a loved one then uses weight gain to emotionally abuse them. It is Evil.

A Feeder is that particular perversion that pushes food at a loved one then uses weight gain to emotionally abuse them. It is Evil.


Not sure if you are being fecitious about the evilness. I certainly don't agree with the diet her parents (really it was her mom) fed her and the mental abuse concerning her obesity, but they are wonderful people who provide for her everything that she needs. I think that it might have somethign to do with them being Phillipino immmigrants who had a whole lot of nothing until they got the the US where they worked hard and gained quite a bit of wealth. Part of the problem I think is that they truely don't know what healthy eating really means. Her parents are both now diabetics which can come from a poor diet. They aren't too physically healthy themselves, is what I am getting at. I can't comment on what their exact intentions were but I don't think they were malicious.

I don't know why people are hostile towards overweight people. I would never make fun or be cruel to someone overweight, personally. If anyone overweight deserves hostility (sp?), not that I think ANYONE really does, it's only the extremely obese people. People that are just, for example, 20 pounds overweight don't deserve to be verbally abused.

case in point, my fiance whos parents fed her all the junk food she could eat from birth. Then she grew fat. She has aspirations of doing gymnastics and other sports but her parents told her she was too fat and wouldn't let her do anything of the sort. They would constantly tell her she couldnt do things and now as an adult even as she eats healthy and regularly works out she has self-esteem issues and thinks she is fat despite how good she looks, plus she always doubts her ability to do anything becuce she was raised that way. I am always tryign to empower and and constantly helping her to prove to herself that she can in fact accomplish anything she wants.

You found a hot chick with low self-esteem. You lucky dog. ;)

It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with acknowledging that you have no idea what any particular person struggles with on a day to day basis and you therefore have no right to judge them.

Everyone has the right to judge anybody else. The politically correct idea of moral relativity disagrees with this truth. That is why it is pc. If I must spell it out.

I wouldn't be hostile towards someone because they were obese, but I do think overweight people should lose weight. It's not like they want to be overweight - they need to lose the inhibition that limits them from being all they can be.

Not sure if you are being fecitious about the evilness. I certainly don't agree with the diet her parents (really it was her mom) fed her and the mental abuse concerning her obesity, but they are wonderful people who provide for her everything that she needs. I think that it might have somethign to do with them being Phillipino immmigrants who had a whole lot of nothing until they got the the US where they worked hard and gained quite a bit of wealth. Part of the problem I think is that they truely don't know what healthy eating really means. Her parents are both now diabetics which can come from a poor diet. They aren't too physically healthy themselves, is what I am getting at. I can't comment on what their exact intentions were but I don't think they were malicious.
I would venture to say that most Feeders aren't doing it to be malicious, but then most paternal child abusers don't think what they are doing is malicious either.

Creating a situation for a child, then berating them for the situation you created is sick and wrong. Perhaps the parents need better acculturation/dietary education, but the result is the same - emotional abuse of a child for somthing that is not really in their control.

(BTW, adult relationships can include Feeders and Eaters too... I've seen some seriously messed up women created by male Feeders...)

I personally don't think it's fair to discriminate, mock, tease, ect. anyone based on their weight. But you have to realize that overweight/obese people aren't the only ones with weight issues. I'm 5'6" and 100 lbs... I eat more than most people, and I eat healthily. But I just don't gain a lot of weight, and hence I'm always being accussed of being anorexic or bulimic! Is that fair? Skinny people can get just as much negativity as obese people....but people always shrug that off.

You are quite normal.
However:
Your roommates are quite ill. One is near Morbid, the other IS Morbid. They need help. Sooner than later.Fat, yes. But though I don't know the exact standards of morbidly obese, I wouldn't think they'd qualify with their heights.

I personally don't think it's fair to discriminate, mock, tease, ect. anyone based on their weight. But you have to realize that overweight/obese people aren't the only ones with weight issues. I'm 5'6" and 100 lbs... I eat more than most people, and I eat healthily. But I just don't gain a lot of weight, and hence I'm always being accussed of being anorexic or bulimic! Is that fair? Skinny people can get just as much negativity as obese people....but people always shrug that off.
Skinny people don't block stairwells during fires.... If you get in my way I'll just pick you up and carry you with me. :D

Fat, yes. But though I don't know the exact standards of morbidly obese, I wouldn't think they'd qualify with their heights.
They do - at least under BMI - and I would venture to guess most physicians would agree with me.

For someone to be 300+, even over 6foot, and be "healthy" they had better be a super-jock... and even then it's highly debatable how healthy it is (steroids anyone...?)

Skinny people don't block stairwells during fires.... If you get in my way I'll just pick you up and carry you with me. :D

(Yes, I see the humor in this...)

But that's another thing that, quite frankly, is annoying. People tend to treat skinnier people like objects, little dolls they can push out of their way or carry around. And, sorry, but we're human too. It's kind of degrading, actually.

They do - at least under BMI - and I would venture to guess most physicians would agree with me.

For someone to be 300+, even over 6foot, and be "healthy" they had better be a super-jock... and even then it's highly debatable how healthy it is (steroids anyone...?)Do the charts just say "over 6' " or are they more specific? There's a lot of difference between 6'0" and 6'5".

Everyone has the right to judge anybody else. The politically correct idea of moral relativity disagrees with this truth. That is why it is pc. If I must spell it out.

Not a definition of PC I was familiar with. And I suppose what I should have said is that you haven't any authority to judge them. You have a perfect right to make judgements, I'll concede that. In the privacy of your own mind you can judge all you want. It's when those opinions harm others that I begin to have issues.

And I don't think I have moral 'relativity issues'. I believe in respect for all human beings; all. No exceptions, nothing relative about it. I can hate what a person has done, to themselves or to others, and still understand that I don't know their whole story. Does that excuse them? Of course not, they are responsible for their actions no matter what problems those actions stem from. But it does mean that I don't presume to judge. I am not arrogant enough to judge like that. And I am admittedly intolerant of those who do.

Do the charts just say "over 6' " or are they more specific? There's a lot of difference between 6'0" and 6'5".
It's quite specific. It is a calculation based upon your mass in kilos divided by the square of your height in meters. See http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/ and http://www.consumer.gov/weightloss/bmi.htm and http://www.intmed.mcw.edu/clincalc/body.html to name a few Googled at random...

(Yes, I see the humor in this...)

But that's another thing that, quite frankly, is annoying. People tend to treat skinnier people like objects, little dolls they can push out of their way or carry around. And, sorry, but we're human too. It's kind of degrading, actually.
Well, I wouldn't normally pick a skinny person up but if I'm moving faster than them in an emergency situation (i.e. I might die, therefore you might die) I will do the appropriately Heroic thing and haul your butt with me. :p

But otherwise I agree with you.

Do the charts just say "over 6' " or are they more specific? There's a lot of difference between 6'0" and 6'5".

The way I was taught it's 100lbs + 5lbs for every inch over 5ft for an 'ideal'; at least for females. That's a fairly old standard and it's not all inclusive since people are built differently, but more than 20% over that is considered obese, 30% over is morbidly obese. The very athletic don't fit this standard, just to belabor the obvious.

so at 6' the target would be 160 and at 6'5" it'd be 185. So if I've got it right then both would actually fall under obese. But I learned this all in high school quite some time back so it may have changed.

You can be obese if you want to, but people may call you Fatty McFatass.

The way I was taught it's 100lbs + 5lbs for every inch over 5ft for an 'ideal'; at least for females. That's a fairly old standard and it's not all inclusive since people are built differently, but more than 20% over that is considered obese, 30% over is morbidly obese. The very athletic don't fit this standard, just to belabor the obvious.

so at 6' the target would be 160 and at 6'5" it'd be 185. So if I've got it right then both would actually fall under obese. But I learned this all in high school quite some time back so it may have changed.not according to the BMI. 6'5" & 185 is considered "ideal/normal" and it doesn't diffirentiate between M/F because all it is looking at is physiological health and not subjective appearance.

You want to know why people are like this? It's sad but true but I've learned it over a long time, and this site sure as hell accelerated the process -

Most people are assholes.

It's true. They may not be assholes in the same way, or all the time, or about the same things, but most, if not all people are assholes in some way.

The thing is, Mr West, to try to ignore them and not be like them. They have problems with fat people? Well it's probably because they have issues with themselves. Probably self-confidence issues, that's were most bullying comes from.
Take comfort in the fact that compared to the assholes who are bitching at you (or anyone) about weight, that you are more beautiful than they are - where it truly counts.

If that is someones opinion then why shouldn't they have the right to express it. I don't go off on obese people for having the inability to live a healthy lifestyle and call them a bunch of names but if I did feel that way, then my opinion and my vocal cords give me the right.


I think you have some issues you need to address. Yes we have the freedom to express our opinions but the phrase "If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it at all" was not said in vein. It means exactly what it says, we dont just go up to people who (for example) maybe wearing an extremelly horendous outfit and say "you look like a moron", nor do you go up to a really ugly person (trust i ahve seen many that make you want to gag) and say "its called a paper bag sweetheart". It seems that it is only towards overweight people do we have the courage to openly say something because we feel we are better then them, maybe it is your self esteem, you feel good to pick on someone who is emotionally unwell (that is what obesity is, its people who are emotionally and mentally unweel, so they EAT) It's just common descency which im afraid todays society has lost towards another human being. You cant get respect if you cant show it. Whether or not you agree with their eating habbits or not, I can assure you fat people dont enjoy looking at themselves as much as you do, so there really is no need to remind them everyday. I have many overweight friends and it isnt nice the things they have to go through.
Your vocal chords can say whatever they feel like, but there is definatley NO NEED for public humiliation!

First of all, I'd like to make a comment for all of the people who have stated that obese individuals waste resources. Would you say that I waste resources by spending $200 on my Xbox and videogames? You might, but you wouldn't complain about it because the only rescources I'm wasting are my own. If you complain that people like me raise the demand for videogames and thus the price, what would you like me to do, value those products less? You know very well that that cannot happen without the use of entirely illegitimate force on your part. The very same principal applies to the obese and any products and services that they buy more than average and small sized individuals. They pay for those products so you have no place to complain.

Secondly, let me say that I do believe that it is very well established in the field of medical science that any significant deviation from one's ideal weight, taking into consideration one's height and muscle mass, and including both obesity and underweightedness, negatively effects one's overall health. The main problem with obesity, in my humble opinion, (I'm not overweight myself, nor have I ever been so.) is psycological. I think that overweight people sometimes get into the trap of thinking that their obesity must either be all their fault or that there is nothing they can do about it. Society does not respect the difficulty of losing weight permanently. This, I believe, is the cause of the worst insecurities of the obese concerning their weight, as well as the cause of the malice with which some individuals treat the overweight.

not according to the BMI. 6'5" & 185 is considered "ideal/normal" and it doesn't diffirentiate between M/F because all it is looking at is physiological health and not subjective appearance.

I went through school before the BMI ws really used :) Thanks for the new info.

If people in the US would eat reasonably, we would have enough food to feed most if not all the starving children in Africa

False. The problem with starving children in Africa is distribution, not lack of resources.

In short, there already is enough food to feed everyone in the world right now, even with the massive amount of obesity in some nations.

Source: http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world%20hunger%20facts%202002.htm

False. The problem with starving children in Africa is distribution, not lack of resources.

In short, there already is enough food to feed everyone in the world right now, even with the massive amount of obesity in some nations.

Source: http://www.worldhunger.org/articles...acts%202002.htm

Well, I'm sure that more food available would help them somewhat. But really, trying to justify being overweight by complaining about capitalism, please.

First of all, I'd like to make a comment for all of the people who have stated that obese individuals waste resources. Would you say that I waste resources by spending $200 on my Xbox and videogames? You might, but you wouldn't complain about it because the only rescources I'm wasting are my own. If you complain that people like me raise the demand for videogames and thus the price, what would you like me to do, value those products less? You know very well that that cannot happen without the use of entirely illegitimate force on your part. The very same principal applies to the obese and any products and services that they buy more than average and small sized individuals. They pay for those products so you have no place to complain.

No I wouldn't want to interfere with the free market. However, the original question was what are people's problems with the overweight. I gave one reason why I don't like them. I have the right to be angry about someone driving up the price of something.

The thing is, Mr West, to try to ignore them and not be like them. They have problems with fat people? Well it's probably because they have issues with themselves. Probably self-confidence issues, that's were most bullying comes from.Take comfort in the fact that compared to the assholes who are bitching at you (or anyone) about weight, that you are more beautiful than they are - where it truly counts.

:eek: Oh my gosh. You've found out my secret. I'm just so insecure with myself that I make fun of others to hide it. :rolleyes: That last bit actually made me laugh out loud. Seriously you should write for Leno (he could use the help).

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!
As long as they pay for all the seats they occupy in an airplane and don't block the emergency exits, I don't care how fat someone else is.

I meet a growing number of people who actually keep reminding me of how fat they are, so much so I begin to find it annoying. It is as if they're trying to tell me they're fat and OK with it. I don't need to know.

But yes, I do hate fat people who seriously just don't care much for personal space. I take the public transport and there is, every now and then, some fat guy or girl who's sitting on me on squashing me. I could probably take it if they were in the slightest manner apologetic. Yeah ok, maybe they don't have to apologise for being fat, but surely for stepping on me.

That being said, I hate people for reasons. Certainly, many fat people who make my life a little extra difficult to live.

Think it's "normal" to find a slight revulsion for any extremes in any person, no?

my only beef with fat people is that they should not, and I reiterate NOT be allowed to wear spandex, short shorts, and short skirts. And do remember, crack kills! (_!_)

I meet a growing number of people who actually keep reminding me of how fat they are, so much so I begin to find it annoying. It is as if they're trying to tell me they're fat and OK with it. I don't need to know.

But yes, I do hate fat people who seriously just don't care much for personal space. I take the public transport and there is, every now and then, some fat guy or girl who's sitting on me on squashing me. I could probably take it if they were in the slightest manner apologetic. Yeah ok, maybe they don't have to apologise for being fat, but surely for stepping on me.

That being said, I hate people for reasons. Certainly, many fat people who make my life a little extra difficult to live.

Think it's "normal" to find a slight revulsion for any extremes in any person, no?
Oh man, you should hear my sis, well, you should have when she was at her biggest. She would go on about how she was happy with herself but then get in a huff id anyone said anything. She went as far as to accuse me of anorexia because I'm average weight and yet it was so terrible to point out her weight issues. She even made fun of my youngest sister who is a bit on the chubby side, but would take horrible offense if anyone said anything about her weight.

It's stupid when people pretend that they're happy with themselves when they clearly aren't.

I think you have some issues you need to address. Yes we have the freedom to express our opinions but the phrase "If you dont have anything nice to say dont say it at all" was not said in vein. It means exactly what it says, we dont just go up to people who (for example) maybe wearing an extremelly horendous outfit and say "you look like a moron", nor do you go up to a really ugly person (trust i ahve seen many that make you want to gag) and say "its called a paper bag sweetheart". It seems that it is only towards overweight people do we have the courage to openly say something because we feel we are better then them, maybe it is your self esteem, you feel good to pick on someone who is emotionally unwell (that is what obesity is, its people who are emotionally and mentally unweel, so they EAT) It's just common descency which im afraid todays society has lost towards another human being. You cant get respect if you cant show it. Whether or not you agree with their eating habbits or not, I can assure you fat people dont enjoy looking at themselves as much as you do, so there really is no need to remind them everyday. I have many overweight friends and it isnt nice the things they have to go through.
Your vocal chords can say whatever they feel like, but there is definatley NO NEED for public humiliation!

What issues do I need to adress? Did I say anything bad about anyone? Please show me where. I only said that I have teh right to say what I want. It's my right and noone needs to grant me permission to do it. You also have a right to have completely missed my point. Have a great night! :fluffle:

What gives me the right to be an asshole? The first amendment.

Keep on rockin' in the free world.

a little chub is healthy and actually quite attractive and NORMAL on women after al the itty bitty skinny 12 year old boy look hollywood loves is a woman who will dine in childbirth lol. men however should not be fat..we arent designed to take it i was fat till i was 15 worked out ate right and now i am at a good 180 6"1/2 not sure if its one or two never can tell lol. However obesity is not normal ok in canada where i live the government rags on smoking costing our health care 178 mil a year but hardly talks about obesity whats its price tag you may ask? 748 million. ok being obese is worse then smoking but until mcdonalds stops saying "healthy meal" to their trans fat filled menus it wont go away, people cant afford good food, its how those companies WANT it. in canada we are about to ban trans fats and let me tell you i had a surgery in my wrist couldnt work out for a year gained 35 pounds. After i stopped eating fries from fast food and other trans fats the weight in less then three weeks slid off till i was 175 and had to eat more lol. So dont insult obese people unless they refuse to stop going to mcdicks, if they do berate them for costing money and hospital space for people who may really need it lol thats my two cents and thats it.

Well, I'm sure that more food available would help them somewhat. But really, trying to justify being overweight by complaining about capitalism, please.

So being overweight is somehow not right? It's somehow wrong? I don't think so. Sure it's unhealthy, but so what? Being unhealthy isn't illegal, and if the people choose to make the decisions to lead to being overweight, they should be allowed. I don't think I'll get an argument from you or anyone else here.

A lot of people want to lose weight, and this is where all the programs and such come into play. But believe it or not, some people who are overweight truly don't give a damn, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Simply put, don't insult obese people. As has been pointed out countless times before, in many cases it's a problem of self-esteem, and here's a clue for everyone--insults do not improve self-esteem.

If the obese people want to lose weight, help them. If not, get off their ass, no matter how hard that may be . . .

What gives me the right to be an asshole? The first amendment.

Be careful here. Do not mistake free speech for being allowed to say whatever you want. You can get in trouble for what is called "fighting speech".

So being overweight is somehow not right? It's somehow wrong? I don't think so. Sure it's unhealthy, but so what? Being unhealthy isn't illegal, and if the people choose to make the decisions to lead to being overweight, they should be allowed. I don't think I'll get an argument from you or anyone else here.

So you believe that everything that is wrong is also illegal? You either have a very low moral system or are a legalist in the strictest sense of the word. Anyway, There is nothing wrong with discouraging people from a habit that is ruining their lives and ultimately hurting everyone.


A lot of people want to lose weight, and this is where all the programs and such come into play. But believe it or not, some people who are overweight truly don't give a damn, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Yes there is. Their problem is that they don't care that everyone else has to look at them.

Undelia, I swear I know you from somwhere, grow a small moustach and mabie I will figure it out.

Undelia, I swear I know you from somwhere, grow a small moustach and mabie I will figure it out.

:eek: That's all I'm going to say. I am not falling for this flame bait.

Never in my life have I met a healthily-proportioned person getting so worked up about the cruelty of society.

Well now you have, and i have one major statement.

FAT CHICKS ROCK

:fluffle:

Really what are you staying on your diet for? To add 10 years to the end of your pathetic life? The last years are rubbish anyway. Eat some pancakes, and if annyone gives you crap about your weight, body-slam the skinny runt.

So you believe that everything that is wrong is also illegal? You either have a very low moral system or are a legalist in the strictest sense of the word. Anyway, There is nothing wrong with discouraging people from a habit that is ruining their lives and ultimately hurting everyone.

So, on how many people did that work so far? You giving them abuse and they consequently changing their lifestyle?

Buddy, I don't think you're important enought to ANYONE to make them change anything.



Yes there is. Their problem is that they don't care that everyone else has to look at them.

What's wrong with your eyelids? Close 'em if there's something you don't want to see...

So, on how many people did that work so far? You giving them abuse and they consequently changing their lifestyle?

Buddy, I don't think you're important enought to ANYONE to make them change anything.

It worked on my brother. He used to be a lardo (one of my many nicknames for him in fact) now thanks to a reasonable diet and his being on the school's football team he's slimming down.

What's wrong with your eyelids? Close 'em if there's something you don't want to see...

Excuse me if I don't want to walk around with my eyes constantly closed. Seriously, fat chicks need to realize that just because they make it in your size doesn't mean you should ware it.

It worked on my brother. He used to be a lardo (one of my many nicknames for him in fact) now thanks to a reasonable diet and his being on the school's football team he's slimming down.

You gave that kind of abuse to your own BROTHER???
:eek:
You just lost the last bit of respect I had left for you.

Excuse me if I don't want to walk around with my eyes constantly closed. Seriously, fat chicks need to realize that just because they make it in your size doesn't mean you should ware it.

Sounds like you have more of a problem with people's fashion sense than with their weight....

Personally, I'm in that lovely transitional phase called 'postpartum'. I put on 60 lbs while pregnant, and now seven months after the birth I've lost half of it. I still have 30 lbs to go. I know I'm fat. I really hate it. I'm doing what I can, (walking, cutting out snacks) but radical diets and intense exercise are out for now; I'm still breastfeeding and I'm still severely anemic from the birth.
I'm pretty sure some people might be grossed out by how I look, I know I am. Hell, I used to run X-Country! But not now... I'm 5'1" and 150 lbs right now and it's not pleasant. However, I take the negativity and use it to fuel my motivation to lose weight as soon as my daughter is weaned.
My problem with SOME obese people is that they wear it as a banner of pride when it is clearly killing them. One of the worst offenders was a client of mine from many years ago (I'm a massage therapist) and this woman must have weighed at least 350 lbs. She bragged about all her health problems...diabetes, kidney problems, joint degradation were only some of them. My own mother has consistently found excuses to not lose weight for about 25 years now. She will start a diet and exercise program, and as soon as she loses about 10 lbs, she stops. I've suggested counseling several times to help her over the 'hump' but she won't do it. I can't speak about the overweight people I see but don't know, but the one's I do know could use a wake up call.

Personally, I'm in that lovely transitional phase called 'postpartum'. I put on 60 lbs while pregnant, and now seven months after the birth I've lost half of it. I still have 30 lbs to go. I know I'm fat. I really hate it. I'm doing what I can, (walking, cutting out snacks) but radical diets and intense exercise are out for now; I'm still breastfeeding and I'm still severely anemic from the birth.
I'm pretty sure some people might be grossed out by how I look, I know I am. Hell, I used to run X-Country! But not now... I'm 5'1" and 150 lbs right now and it's not pleasant. However, I take the negativity and use it to fuel my motivation to lose weight as soon as my daughter is weaned.


You have the right idea. Keep up the good work fatso. ;)
Your setting a great example for your daughter, by the way. Everyone should be so lucky to have a mother as obviously health conscience as yourself. :D

You have the right idea. Keep up the good work fatso. ;)
Your setting a great example for your daughter, by the way. Everyone should be so lucky to have a mother as obviously health conscience as yourself. :D

Careful there... my "health-conscious" parents are responsible for a good deal of my weight. They thought I was to fat when I was 10 (back then, trust me, I wasn't. I wasn't anywhere above normal, but I have VERY health-conscious parents) and forcd me on one diet after another. The problem about dieting is how to stop them, if you go back to eating normal (not eating normal for obese people, just eating normal as the rest of the family), you will suffer a yo-yo effect. You will put the lost weight back on in no time, plus a little additional as your body percieved the diet as a time of starvation and will put on a little reserve.
By the time I was 16 they had forced me through enough of that to make me a size 18. In addition, the gave me a really healthy complex about myself and two severe depressions.... :rolleyes:

As long as they pay for all the seats they occupy in an airplane and don't block the emergency exits, I don't care how fat someone else is.
What about people who have a knee injury? Or those who are on wheelchairs? Or elderly people? They can block your way too.

You gave that kind of abuse to your own BROTHER???
:eek:
You just lost the last bit of respect I had left for you.
You still had some left?

Everyone keeps shouting about freedoms. What about freedom of choice. If someone chooses to be fat, let them be fat. It's not illegal. It's not your problem. We have the right to have unhealthy habits.

Everyone keeps shouting about freedoms. What about freedom of choice. If someone chooses to be fat, let them be fat. It's not illegal. It's not your problem. We have the right to have unhealthy habits.

It is also not illegal for me to discourage you from a dangerous course of action.

Careful there... my "health-conscious" parents are responsible for a good deal of my weight. They thought I was to fat when I was 10 (back then, trust me, I wasn't. I wasn't anywhere above normal, but I have VERY health-conscious parents) and forcd me on one diet after another. The problem about dieting is how to stop them, if you go back to eating normal (not eating normal for obese people, just eating normal as the rest of the family), you will suffer a yo-yo effect. You will put the lost weight back on in no time, plus a little additional as your body percieved the diet as a time of starvation and will put on a little reserve.
By the time I was 16 they had forced me through enough of that to make me a size 18. In addition, the gave me a really healthy complex about myself and two severe depressions....

Any truly health conscious person would know that you don't put a ten year-old on a diet. Dieting in general is bad. The key is finding a balanced diet that you can keep up over a long period of time, preferably your whole life but that's a tad unrealistic. The real key to weight loss is exorcise anyway.

The real key to weight loss is exorcise anyway.

Exorcism can make you lose weight???
Imagine me being Catholic and not knowing that... :eek:

It is also not illegal for me to discourage you from a dangerous course of action.



That's true. Bad manners are not illegal.

Exorcism can make you lose weight???
Imagine me being Catholic and not knowing that...

I deserve that. There is no excuse for bad spelling.

Fat I don't mind. Fat I don't even notice most of the time. However, when I see someone who is genuinely obese, ambling along with aching knees, I'm filled with pity and irritation.

I'm a runty-looking vegetarian. I've had some pretty major health problems since birth, so I'm stringently careful about what I put in my body, and how much exercise I get. I guess I'm fortunate because I've had the greatest motivating factor of them all (imminent death) since I was wee.

I know that lifestyle change is hard, and I know that all the cajoling in the world won't make a difference unless the individual truly wants to change. Losing weight, quitting smoking, and changing one's diet are all very complex processes, and every opportunity should be taken to encourage those changes. I admire people who can change their habits, who can survive life-threatening conditions, and who can overcome crippling injuries. It is that person's capacity for change and dedication that I admire, not their disease. The tendency of some people to wear their self-inflicted habits like a badge of honour sickens me. It's a pity-culture that is unmotivating and self-perpetuating.

I really dislike the assumption that I eat carefully out of vanity. Or that I'm thin because I'm anorexic. Or that I want to breath your passive smoke while I'm eating my lunch. But hell, if you're fat or obese, I'm not going to diss you. If you want to come out with me for vegetarian Thai, that's cool. Just don't whinge about your weight and breath smoke all over me, because I respect you enough to not whinge about valve replacements and asthma medication.

Everyone has the right to judge anybody else. The politically correct idea of moral relativity disagrees with this truth. That is why it is pc. If I must spell it out.

Nothing to do with PC. It's a combination of social skills, empathy and survival instinct. I'm guessing you only mock people who you're fairly certain won't put you in the hospital. I'm also pretty sure you don't abuse people you depend on for some reason.

Or perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you do spend half your life in a full body cast. Perhaps you buy a new telephone, fridge or whatever, every time something you cannot fix breaks down, and your repair guy is overweight.
Ever got a parking/speeding ticket by an overweight cop?

Oh well. No matter how carefull you are about not offending the wrong people, one day it will happen. I take great pleasure in knowing that.

Like I've already said, I find obese people nausiating, at least when they show off their overweight. Unlike you, I derive no great pleasure from knowing they're ugly. Neither do I try to offend them. What would I possibly have to gain from ruining a strangers day?
It's more than enough they make me uncomfortable. Especially since they're always painfully aware their sorroundings feel that way.
Adding insult to injury serves no logical purpose. Unless your aim is to drive them home, make them dive into the nearest fridge, and chisel away on their self esteem, untill they fear leaving their own home.
Do you think obese people are useless? I think you're useless. Go earn yourself a Darwin Award. At least that way, you'll give me something to laugh about.

What about people who have a knee injury? Or those who are on wheelchairs? Or elderly people? They can block your way too.
True, but they don't bitch about "discrimination" when you ask/tell them to sit in a location more conducive to their condition.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with discouraging people from a habit that is ruining their lives and ultimately hurting everyone.
And how exactly are they hurting you? I know i would if you thought you could make fun of me. The 10 lbs extra i carry around dont hinder me knocking sense into people, indeed it helps in pushing wankers around.

Yes there is. Their problem is that they don't care that everyone else has to look at them.
Oh, poor widdle Undelia, all that mean people just being fat to offend you. How hard your life must be. :D

Never in my life have I met a healthily-proportioned person getting so worked up about the cruelty of society, etc. Non-fat people just don't rant like this.

That is because fat people know how to relax and enjoy life. ^^

Simple, they suck up valuable recourses. They eat more food and require more medical attention than they otherwise would if they would just take care of themselves , thus increasing demand for these things, thus hurting me. Seriously being fat is just selfish. Plus I hate laziness, as the overweight tend to exhibit.

I'm sorry, but I take huge offence to that comment. Suck up valuable resources? I'm sure you recycle every single day, drive a enviro friendly car, are a part of Greenpeace, never use areosols and only use wool bags for shopping. Yes we require medical attention every now and again. Next you'll be bagging out the AIDS sufferers because they "could have prevented their condition and drain our precious medical resources, thus hurting me." Being fat is selfish. To be quite honest with you, I'm fat. And you know what? I'm not losing tons of sleep over it. Because honestly, I can't excercise. I put my back out frequently and pull muscles because of a condition I was born with. Laziness applys to fat people like idiocy applies to right wing people. Neither statement is true and both make cruel assumptions. Fuck you man. Fuck you. Why am I responding to this when I clearly know this is flamebait and I should really ignore this person? Some questions will never be answered.

You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!

No I wouldn't I not a yank or jewish and definetly wouldn't have go at u if they were as fat as porky pig :mp5:

While society's standards of beauty obviously don't reflect the common, they do force us to evaluate ourselve's and others. True, not all overweight persons are lazy or weak-willed, but it only takes knowing a few who are to form a mental correlation between the two. Most people who openly state their predjudices are simply pointing out the fact that they measure up more closely to the societal expectations than another. However, often times people reveal these beliefs unknowingly, whether it be through body language or the infamous Fruedian slip. Either way, our perceptions and judgements are learned behavior, and while we can choose to keep an open mind, we don't always have a choice about our gut-reaction.

Exorcism can make you lose weight???
Imagine me being Catholic and not knowing that... :eek:
Oh yeah!
What with all the healing from the birching and the tied up with no food, it's one of the best diet plans ever!

Would you trust a black person because they are black? Would you trust an Asian because they have slitted eyes? Would you trust a woman who wore a burkha? Would you trust a Mexican wearing a sombrero trying to cross the border?


Your heritage and background cannot be controlled.

Your weight is. Big difference.

The thing is, Mr West, to try to ignore them and not be like them. They have problems with fat people? Well it's probably because they have issues with themselves. Probably self-confidence issues, that's were most bullying comes from.

No. Bullying comes from ego and power issues. Being a bully has nothing to do with low self-esteem or confidence. If anything, a bully is a product of someone with way too much confidence.

Do you honestly believe someone who tries to be the alpha-male of the block has low standards of themselves? Being top-class is a high pressure profession, and I highly doubt someone with low self-esteem would handle that.

And fat people piss me off because they don't care about their bodies, their health, or how they look.

I was 5'5 180 pounds at one point. I was considered obese. Last year, I changed my eating habits and cycled my bike for 4 hours straight EACH DAY in the summer.

Now I'm 145 pounds and look much better then before. My obesity wasn't about genetics, a diesease, or a shitty childhood. My obesity was the result of not caring about what I ate and being a lazy shit.

You can lose your weight, problem is many people just say "its a genetic thing" and move on. Thats what pisses me off about fat people, they complain about themselves but NEVER EVER do anything about it.

A lot of people here are saying that fat people dont care about their bodies or how they look, well let me tell you from personal experience both from myself and from many of my friends and relations, that we DO care, we just care differently than you, just because we don't care about being thin at all costs, doesn't mean we don't care about ourselves at all.

Undelia, the 'fatso' cracked me up! When I was reading this forum last night I in fact told my husband to start calling me Fatty McFatass until the next thirty pounds comes off!

BTW, it's really hard for some people to lose weight when their significant other brings them ice cream, chips, etc. every night and says 'no, go ahead, eat' and basically sabotages them. I realize it's up to the overweight person to not accept these foods, but having this happen does make it harder. My hubby did this when I was pregnant (actually he just kept bringing me this really good Brie with yummy crackers) and I had to tell him to stop after we had the baby.

I was watching a documentary a couple years ago on Discovery channel...or maybe it was The Learning Channel, but whatever - the point is the show was about evolutionary standards of attraction, and talked about how humans would not be attracted to someone obese because instinctively we know it isn't healthy and that person is not going to be a good provider. Anyway, if that sounds garbled you'll have to excuse me...I was up half the night with the baby.

I was watching a documentary a couple years ago on Discovery channel...or maybe it was The Learning Channel, but whatever - the point is the show was about evolutionary standards of attraction, and talked about how humans would not be attracted to someone obese because instinctively we know it isn't healthy and that person is not going to be a good provider. Anyway, if that sounds garbled you'll have to excuse me...I was up half the night with the baby.
It actually has nothing to do with evolutionary standards, but with cultural perspective. In wide parts of Afrika, Arabia, China and South Asia rotund was/is considered attractive with males because it is the sign of a good provider. After all, he has enough not only to get by but to grow fat, which means meals with increased fat/meat content. People living of one cup of rice a day dont get fat, those who consider the rice a supplement to a larger meal do.
In Arabia thin women are considered unattractive because centuries of nomadic lifestyle showed that women without a certain amount of body fat have a very high mortality number, the beauty ideal of our society would have been considered unhealthy. This perspective might change over the time, as a more sedentary lifestyle and modern technology take the neccessity out of it, but it might as well hold up.

I can see that this is a very valid point, but I think we need to distinguish between overweight and morbidly obese...I believe morbid obesity is when you are more than 100 lbs overweight. (sorry, stupid yank here, I don't know how to convert to correct measurements) The 'not being a good provider' part at this point would be because the person in question is so large as to not be functional.
Sorry about that, I should have been more specific in my first post. My bad.

Your post also reminds me of an experiment done with lions. A group of researchers were trying to figure out if lionesses chose lions with any particular distinguishing marks, so they created full size replicas with different size and color manes. The lionesses showed the most interest in the replicas with the fullest and darkest manes. The researchers thought it's because lions that have the most to eat and the least territory to dispute have fuller, darker manes. An inadequate diet and constant fighting cause the mane to fall out and the remaining fur stays lighter as well.
I wonder what other lifestyle markers people use to judge who might make a good mate.

Canada City']Your heritage and background cannot be controlled.

Your weight is. Big difference.

Think about what you're saying here.

If a black person could change the color of their skin to white, should they?

I say hell no.

It actually has nothing to do with evolutionary standards, but with cultural perspective. In wide parts of Afrika, Arabia, China and South Asia rotund was/is considered attractive with males because it is the sign of a good provider. After all, he has enough not only to get by but to grow fat, which means meals with increased fat/meat content. People living of one cup of rice a day dont get fat, those who consider the rice a supplement to a larger meal do.
In Arabia thin women are considered unattractive because centuries of nomadic lifestyle showed that women without a certain amount of body fat have a very high mortality number, the beauty ideal of our society would have been considered unhealthy. This perspective might change over the time, as a more sedentary lifestyle and modern technology take the neccessity out of it, but it might as well hold up.

You don't actually have to go back so farin time, nor leave our own culture. You know Marilyn Monroe? I think she was a really beautiful woman, but by todays standards, half the people who posted on this thread would find her fat....

You can of course go back and have a look at ancient paintings... Peter Paul Rubens springs to mind, but Boticelli's Venus has a nice little belly herself.

I think there is a huge difference between morbidly obese people and people who are just overweight. The later can be just as healthy as any thin person, the first really have a problem. But in fairness, I think they know. They have a mirror at home. There's no need for others to keep telling them that they are fat.

I, personally, am a good deal overweight (size 18), but I'm far from being morbidly obese. I don't really "work out" because I simply hate it, I find it so boring and pointless, but as I don't have a car I walk a lot and I go swimming every week. I have no health problems whatsoever because of my weight, I'm a little high in cholesterol but that's it. No problems with my bones or joints, no problems with my heart, no respiratory problems.
And if I had them, I wouldn't keep telling other people about it. I would either try and change or else accept it.
I don't complain about my weight, either. I know I can either stay the way I am or rigorously change my lifestyle... and I like to eat. Not everything, I can't stand fast food, but I love to cook and I enjoy good food. I know I would absolutely hate my life if I started to count calories, it definitely wouldn't make me a happier person.

I decided to stay the way I am, anybody is free to think about me whatever they want. But making generalised statements like "All fat people are lazy and undisciplined" is extremely offensive in my eyes. As I said before, I gained my weight from the age of 10 to the age of about 16, and I had to put up with enough abuse from my family and from total strangers, who were dumb and ugly as sin themselves, but hey, at least they weren't fat.

Just my thoughts...

and I had to put up with enough abuse from my family and from total strangers, who were dumb and ugly as sin themselves, but hey, at least they weren't fat.

Middle fingers evolved for this purpose. As I've said before, screw everyone who thinks ill of you for being overweight. As long as you're happy with who you are, nothing else really matters.

The problem is pop culture. Pop culture very closey immitates the nazi movement. Pop culture tells people what to look like, how to act, what to whatch, what to listen too, how to dress, who is "cool", who is "uncool". People should just be themselves. If someone is over weight then they know they are taking a health risk just like smokers. Im not attacking smokers because I am one. Some people are big due to genetics, no matter what they do they will still be big. People should be themselves. So in short

F*CK CONFORMITY!!!

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

Higher medical costs for all of us. Arkansas' Medicaid bills were $600 million in 1997. By 2002 it had almost tripled to $2.2 Billion. Diabetes and obesity were the culprits, both preventable diseases. Lack of dietary discipline and physical activity costs obese people their health and costs all of us money and time.

How many times have I sat on a plane or in a movie theatre next to someone who couldn't fit in the chair? My personal space was invaded because of lack of dietary discipline and physical activity. An old college buddy of mine is extremely obese. I love the guy and I feel sorry for him because he cannot do the same type of physical activities the rest of the group enjoys but HE created the situation.

The problem is pop culture. Pop culture very closey immitates the nazi movement. Pop culture tells people what to look like, how to act, what to whatch, what to listen too, how to dress, who is "cool", who is "uncool". People should just be themselves. If someone is over weight then they know they are taking a health risk just like smokers. Im not attacking smokers because I am one. Some people are big due to genetics, no matter what they do they will still be big. People should be themselves. So in short

F*CK CONFORMITY!!!
But... "why'd you have to go and make things so complicated?" :p

Seriously, I agree with what you said.

Higher medical costs for all of us. Arkansas' Medicaid bills were $600 million in 1997. By 2002 it had almost tripled to $2.2 Billion. Diabetes and obesity were the culprits, both preventable diseases. Lack of dietary discipline and physical activity costs obese people their health and costs all of us money and time.

How many times have I sat on a plane or in a movie theatre next to someone who couldn't fit in the chair? My personal space was invaded because of lack of dietary discipline and physical activity. An old college buddy of mine is extremely obese. I love the guy and I feel sorry for him because he cannot do the same type of physical activities the rest of the group enjoys but HE created the situation.

Higher medical bills?
So smokers deserve abuse as well? After all, they choose to smoke, thus damaging their health (and other people's)

Do mothers deserve abuse? All the medical cost until that child is born, and then it needs all those vaccinations and whatnot.

Do old people deserve abuse? They failed to die before they became old and frail.

Do drivers derseve abuse? Not only do they pollute the environment and cause people considerable health problems, they also cause a large number of accidents. Think of the medical bills! And the costs for all those funerals!

Do people who engage in sports of any kind deserve abuse? Think of all those broken bones, sprained ankles, thrown-out backs, concussions and heart failures due to too much exercise.

Do people with AIDS or any other veneral disease deserve abuse? They were too bloody stupid to use a condom. Or else they should have waited till after marriage, right?

Do alcoholics and drug addicts deserve abuse? It was their choice to ruin their life, and here you don't only have medical bills, but in many cases welfare bills as well.

I've had it with this "medical bills" argument. I'm thirty years now and I see my doctor once a year for checkup, that's it. I'm healthier than many thin people.
Yes, mobidly obese people need treatment, but not more than other groups of society, who could change their lifestyle just as "easyly"
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Do drivers derseve abuse?

This is a good example, because driving through an intersection is more dangerous (in America, at least) than pointing a loaded gun to your head. Things change of course when you play with the trigger of course . . .

I'm healthier than many thin people.

Also a very good point. It is healthier to be overweight and physically active than thin and sedentary. Don't confuse this with obesity--obesity is always unhealthy.

Yes, mobidly obese people need treatment, but not more than other groups of society, who could change their lifestyle just as "easyly"

I agree, but only if they're not happy with themselves. If they're fine being unhealthy, let them stay that way.

I agree, but only if they're not happy with themselves. If they're fine being unhealthy, let them stay that way.

I didn't mean treatment as in helping them to change their life, rather as in medical care and attention

Also a very good point. It is healthier to be overweight and physically active than thin and sedentary. Don't confuse this with obesity--obesity is always unhealthy.


From the way things have progressed in corporate media and public sentiment, it would seem that they want you to think that obesity is the same as being overweight, or in fact, stocky.

I have the right to abuse whoever I want!

Ok, I just KNOW that I will regret I asked this, but :

Why are so many people so hostile towards overweight or obese people? Why do you have a problem with other people's health?

What gives you the right to abuse them by outrightly calling them ugly or even disgusting? Don't get me wrong, you can find people ugly and beautiful all you like, but if you tell a person you find him/her ugly, that's insulting.
You would be the first people to have a go at me if I said I find US soldiers/Jews/children ugly!

I wouldnt care, but fat people have given America a bad name. I dream of living in an America where the majority is not overweight.

Thats right, my dream is to go back to the 1930's and start living from there to whenever. Than I can make a band called The Beatles and steal all of their music. Along with watching Baseballs greatest play.

I wouldnt care, but fat people have given America a bad name. I dream of living in an America where the majority is not overweight.

Thats right, my dream is to go back to the 1930's and start living from there to whenever. Than I can make a band called The Beatles and steal all of their music. Along with watching Baseballs greatest play.

Since I wouldn't have been bron then, that's ok with me

Higher medical bills?
So smokers deserve abuse as well? After all, they choose to smoke, thus damaging their health (and other people's)

Do mothers deserve abuse? All the medical cost until that child is born, and then it needs all those vaccinations and whatnot.

Do old people deserve abuse? They failed to die before they became old and frail.

Do drivers derseve abuse? Not only do they pollute the environment and cause people considerable health problems, they also cause a large number of accidents. Think of the medical bills! And the costs for all those funerals!

Do people who engage in sports of any kind deserve abuse? Think of all those broken bones, sprained ankles, thrown-out backs, concussions and heart failures due to too much exercise.

Do people with AIDS or any other veneral disease deserve abuse? They were too bloody stupid to use a condom. Or else they should have waited till after marriage, right?

Do alcoholics and drug addicts deserve abuse? It was their choice to ruin their life, and here you don't only have medical bills, but in many cases welfare bills as well.

I've had it with this "medical bills" argument. I'm thirty years now and I see my doctor once a year for checkup, that's it. I'm healthier than many thin people.
Yes, mobidly obese people need treatment, but not more than other groups of society, who could change their lifestyle just as "easyly"
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Smoking damages your health and other people's health without offering any benefits. Do they have the right to wreck my health? No, so I have the right to tell them to stop doing it when in a non-smoking area or on my property.

Babies are the future of our planet. Their expenses and annoyances are crucial to the survival of the human race. I would have thought this was obvious.

Being old cannot be helped. Being fat can be helped.

Driving is an essential part of a mobile workforce. You ban driving, the economy of every developed country crashes and burns. Being fat is not crucial to our workforce. In fact, it makes working more inconvenient, especially for said fat worker.

At least most sport injuries aren't fatal, and are as a result of a person making a concerted effort to be healthy. Conditions as a result of obesity often aren't noticed until you collapse and die of heart failure. Which is the lesser of two evils in this case, hmm?

AIDs is uncurable, being fat is not.

Alcohol and drugs are addictive and no matter how you mask their effects, they are very difficult to give up. Changing your diet is much easier.

Think about what you're saying here.

If a black person could change the color of their skin to white, should they?

I say hell no.

A-freaking-men.

Alcohol and drugs are addictive and no matter how you mask their effects, they are very difficult to give up. Changing your diet is much easier.

You've never been addicted to alcohol or drugs, nor have you ever been fat, eh?

As someone else in that thread already stated,

Fat people have the right to stuff themselves full of food and I reserve the right to make fun of them.

It's not that I hate only fat people, there are plenty of other people I hate...

7. Immature people...

Why hate immature people? They can be such an endless source of amusement.

:rolleyes:

You want to know why I really hate obese people? Their excuses.

"Ohh... I was born fat!"

"My parents made me eat all of my food when I was young."

"It's genetics."

"I'm big-boned."

"No matter how much I excercise or eat right, it won't go away."

All equally pathetic and lame. I generally stay away from personal stories because they don't really help; however, I was once a fat kid. Yes that's right. I had plenty of rolls on my stomach, 30% body fat, couldn't do much in terms of excercise and you know what? I was miserable.

I would look in the mirror and see a fat kid. And you know what? One day, I decided that I wasn't going to be a 300 pound behemoth. So you know what I did? I cut out 90% of the junk food from my diet, started excercising vigorously, ate only when I was hungry and started to progress towards a more active lifestyle.

And you know, it's paid off. In about a year, I cut my body fat percentage down from 30% to about 19%, and in another year it was down to about 12%. Since then, it's hovered around 10%.

Do you know who I blame for being fat? Myself.

Not genetics, not the fact that I too was raised to eat everything on my plate and wasn't really encouraged to go out and play, and certainaly not the fact that "no matter how healthy I ate or how much I excercised, it wouldn't go away".

The fact is, it's your fault if you're fat. No one else's. So stop whining about people expressing their opinions on fat people about something that is so easily fixed. Besides, I don't really make fun of fat people to their face. They're just the same as other people, equally nice, especially funny, etc. Personally, they can live their lives however they want to. But as soon as they start making excuses about why they're fat... well, that's when they make me sick.

I am clinically obese...many people insist I am not fat, but when my back is turned or I say I'm not fat, then they say I am fat, so then I agree with them and they say I'm not fat, so I agree, then they say, no hang on, you are fat, and then I agree and they say you're not fat, who,told you you're fat. This is the way of the world unfortunately - I have a split personality because people are unsure themselves whether I'm fat. I am 18, a waste size of 38-40", I weigh about 16 stone and am about 5'6" in height. I am lazy, but that's only (I argue) because I have asthma, and am fat. I have an addiction (well several really) to junk food. I have this addiction because that's how I grew up, junk food was eaten as a special treat for being good, so therefore - happy feelings from eating junk food. Logical. The fact is, I am obese because I am addicted to junk food in the same way people are addicted to drugs, ciggarettes, alcohol, speeding. I am also addicted because addictions run in the family (it is scientifically proven that addictions are genetic...ie that if your parent is addicted to, say, alcohol, you have a higher chance of becoming addicted to something. It also has something to do with the way you grow up - you live around addictions you're more likely to experience addictions of you own).

Do you hate me? Are you going to call me fat? Well I am, and I'm proud. I'm proud becuase it's an addiction, people are proud of having an addiction to ciggarettes, why can't I be proud of having an addiction to junk food? As far as addictions go, junk food isn't that bad. At least it tastes nice. Don't tell me I'm not allowed to be fat, don't tell me being fat puts up medical bills. Don't tell me fat = lazy. I live in a farming community, and (most of - me being the exception) the "fat" people around here are the least lazy people I know. Also don't tell me that obese = unhealthy....I'm not that unhealthy compared to a lot of thin people I know (and they're not dangerously thin people, but they are people thinner than me [ most people i know fall into this category though]).

You want to know why I really hate obese people? Their excuses.

"Ohh... I was born fat!"

"My parents made me eat all of my food when I was young."

"It's genetics."

"I'm big-boned."

"No matter how much I excercise or eat right, it won't go away."

All equally pathetic and lame. I generally stay away from personal stories because they don't really help; however, I was once a fat kid. Yes that's right. I had plenty of rolls on my stomach, 30% body fat, couldn't do much in terms of excercise and you know what? I was miserable.

I would look in the mirror and see a fat kid. And you know what? One day, I decided that I wasn't going to be a 300 pound behemoth. So you know what I did? I cut out 90% of the junk food from my diet, started excercising vigorously, ate only when I was hungry and started to progress towards a more active lifestyle.

And you know, it's paid off. In about a year, I cut my body fat percentage down from 30% to about 19%, and in another year it was down to about 12%. Since then, it's hovered around 10%.

Do you know who I blame for being fat? Myself.

Not genetics, not the fact that I too was raised to eat everything on my plate and wasn't really encouraged to go out and play, and certainaly not the fact that "no matter how healthy I ate or how much I excercised, it wouldn't go away".

The fact is, it's your fault if you're fat. No one else's. So stop whining about people expressing their opinions on fat people about something that is so easily fixed. Besides, I don't really make fun of fat people to their face. They're just the same as other people, equally nice, especially funny, etc. Personally, they can live their lives however they want to. But as soon as they start making excuses about why they're fat... well, that's when they make me sick.
CONGRATULATIONS!

Smoking damages your health and other people's health without offering any benefits. Do they have the right to wreck my health? No, so I have the right to tell them to stop doing it when in a non-smoking area or on my property.

I've seen and heard people piblicly insulting and abusing fat people. I've yet to see this done to a smoker...


Babies are the future of our planet. Their expenses and annoyances are crucial to the survival of the human race. I would have thought this was obvious.

Wrong, they are not the future of this planet. The planet can do without them. If you want the human race to keep its grip on the planet, then they are important. There are way too many all over the world, but that's stuff for another thread.

Being old cannot be helped. Being fat can be helped.

Old people are even less useful to society and create more medical costs than fat people. If the fact that fat people create medical bills gives you the right to ridicule them, then we can all go out and make fun of old people.

Driving is an essential part of a mobile workforce. You ban driving, the economy of every developed country crashes and burns. Being fat is not crucial to our workforce. In fact, it makes working more inconvenient, especially for said fat worker.

Funny, I don't drive, but I work. I never regarded driving as essential for anything, my family didn't have a car, we walked or went by bike, it really hasn't harmed the workforce. At all.
And I never found working incovenient, neither now nor while I was studying...

At least most sport injuries aren't fatal, and are as a result of a person making a concerted effort to be healthy. Conditions as a result of obesity often aren't noticed until you collapse and die of heart failure. Which is the lesser of two evils in this case, hmm?

Regarding the famous medical bills, being fat.

AIDS is uncurable, being fat is not.

It's uncurable, but treatable. It created medical bills in the millions each year for hospital costs, medication etc. Same for all other veneral diseases, curable or not.

Alcohol and drugs are addictive and no matter how you mask their effects, they are very difficult to give up. Changing your diet is much easier.

No, it isn't. You can stop drinking and never touch a drop again in your life. You can't stop eating altogether, you need a lot more self-control.

Also don't tell me that obese = unhealthy....I'm not that unhealthy compared to a lot of thin people I know (and they're not dangerously thin people, but they are people thinner than me [ most people i know fall into this category though]).

I was enjoying your story until this part. Sorry, but obese (which != overweight) does = unhealthy. Obesity is not healthy. Until obese people stop dying earlier from heart disease, cancer, heart attacks, diabetes, etc, then I will say obesity != unhealthy.

Obesity is unhealthy. There's no way around it. How can you justify an extremely high amount of body fat as being healthy? People that smoke justify themselves in their early years by saying that it hasn't hurt them yet. Ten years later they have lung cancer.

No addiction is healthy. I'm sorry you have asthma, which unfortuantely restricts your ability to excercise but that's not the only way to solve your problem. I don't really care what you do with your life, but don't try to justify obesity as being healthy when it's clearly not.

Thanks for the congratulations Dragons Bay, I'll take that as an agreement with my points.

I think that if you are fat and people make fun of you its not right but you have no one to blame but yourself for bringing this upon you. Its your fault that you showed weakness to them and there are people who will bite if you do that. I say that if you don't want people to make fun of you, you shouldn't eat so much in the first place.

I was enjoying your story until this part. Sorry, but obese (which != overweight) does = unhealthy. Obesity is not healthy. Until obese people stop dying earlier from heart disease, cancer, heart attacks, diabetes, etc, then I will say obesity != unhealthy.

Obesity is unhealthy. There's no way around it. How can you justify an extremely high amount of body fat as being healthy? People that smoke justify themselves in their early years by saying that it hasn't hurt them yet. Ten years later they have lung cancer.

No addiction is healthy. I'm sorry you have asthma, which unfortuantely restricts your ability to excercise but that's not the only way to solve your problem. I don't really care what you do with your life, but don't try to justify obesity as being healthy when it's clearly not.

Thanks for the congratulations Dragons Bay, I'll take that as an agreement with my points.

I wouldn't say that obese/overweight/fat = healthy, it's just not true. But it's just as untrue as obese/overweight/fat = unhealthy.
Obesety CAN be extremely unhealthy, if it comes with an unhealthy lifestyle and no exercise. In those cases it is damaging people's health.
But I'm an overweight person and have been for 20 years, without any health problems whatsoever.
I eat normal, I don't go out of my way to exercise (gym or anything, I find that boring to the extreme), but since I don't drive I walk a lot, I like going swimming now and then or going on bike tours.

So, obese = lazy/unhealthy lifestyle/junk food is just not true. It can be the case, but it's not the rule.

I think that if you are fat and people make fun of you its not right but you have no one to blame but yourself for bringing this upon you. Its your fault that you showed weakness to them and there are people who will bite if you do that. I say that if you don't want people to make fun of you, you shouldn't eat so much in the first place.

So, what you are saying is I should change my life in every aspect in order to fit people's expectations?
Does that stop at loosing weight or should I undergo surgery, just so nobody takes offense at my nose or the shape of my eyes?

Just like in anything else, there comes a point when freedom of speech about obesity crosses over to verbal abuse. Fine, you don't like obese people. You're free to say what you like about the matter of being obese. It's when people get personal and feel the need to put others down and criticise them, in the majority of cases without any real need (i.e. they haven't been provoked by being in some sort of danger) that I find something wrong with it.

There's plenty of stuff you can say under free speech. We're not discussing whether you can legally say what you want. We're discussing whether you should. Sure, you have the right but what exactly does it gain? Maybe, every now and again it motivates people to lose weight but in the vast majority it just makes their selfesteem worse meaning they're likely to eat more. Yeah, great.

Over eating and continuation usually stems from psychological problems. Dealing with them is a hell of a lot more productive then adding to them.

Foods can be addictive. Eating can be addictive. Being a chocaholic is a real thing. Trust me, the cravings and withdrawals are real enough. Caffiene anyone? If you're going to judge obese people at least keep the same standards in judging smokers and alcoholics.

I've been overweight. I've lost weight. Just because I've managed to do that doesn't immediatly mean I feel in any position to start judging people who haven't managed to do that. It isn't the same for everyone. Saying that is stupid. Yeah, everyone has the opportunity to lose weight. It's not the same for everyone though and you have to take that into account. Could you starve yourself like models do? No because you don't have the same life or personality or willpower or motives or thoughts. People are different and it's not equally easy for everyone.

Personally I think some of the posts in this thread are a lot more sickening than the sight of an obese people. And they'll stay in my mind a lot longer than a glimpse of someone in the street.

It seems we are STILL failing to realize the difference between obese and overweight.

Overweight is not as serious or as unhealthy as obese. Overweight people can be your football stars who are just pure muscle. Being overweight, however, can lead to obesity.

Obesity is unhealthy. Always. There are no exceptions. Overweight is not always unhealthy. In the case of the football star, it's healthy in fact. Becoming obese stems from being overweight and not doing anything about it.

Overweight people, I have no problem with. Obese people, I have no problem with. Overweight people complaining that they're fat, well they can EASILY do something about that. Obese people complaining that they're fat... well... they had their chance. It's their fault they are in that boat. You're not healthy one day and then the next you wake up obese. You're healthy, then you're overweight, and then you're obese.

It's a process that only you can control.

As for smokers, alcoholics, and druggies. They're just as bad. No one to blame but themselves. Of course, the difference here is that they had the choice to NEVER touch those things. So in a way, I hate them more than I hate whining obese people.

Personally I think some of the posts in this thread are a lot more sickening than the sight of an obese people. And they'll stay in my mind a lot longer than a glimpse of someone in the street.

Well who's fault is that? You had the choice to not read this thread, and you did. I'm, for one, glad you'll remember the posts of some of us who just can't tolerate excuse-makers.

In Britain we should have a problem with fat people, because when they go and have a coronary, we have to pay for it cus of the crappy NHS. Thats ne of the resons i hate it so much. and it should be privatised

Well who's fault is that? You had the choice to not read this thread, and you did.

I am fully aware of that.

I'm, for one, glad you'll remember the posts of some of us who just can't tolerate excuse-makers.

Why? Saying that just makes me thing people have said things in deliberatly controversial ways for attention. If you haven't persuaded me to your point of view and have succeeded in making me support obese people, what exactly is the positive in that for you?

Out of curiosity, does your opinion on excuses for obesity apply for anyone who makes excuses for problems they're in? Because I find that part of human nature is to make excuses or deny responsibilty/ deny they have control over things.

And wouldn't it be a lot more productive to voice that opinion in an encouraging way so that it actually has a chance of helping people overcome their obesity?

People who display hostilities toward obesity seldom understand it. Obesity is not normally controllable by dieting. Notice I said normally. From personal experience I can tell you when your metablism takes a dive on you there is little at this time you can do with it.

In 1980 my weight was around 200 lbs, I was around 35 years old and used dieting to control my 200 lb weight. I decided that year to stop smoking. within 3 years my weight increased to 500 lbs. No notice I said NO amount of dieting helped. Since that time I have struggled with weight and weight control.

So thank what ever spirit you worship that you do not have the problem if you are thin and keep your uneducated comments to yourself.

Now we are just beginning to understand a little about metablism and how it works. how dieting causes the body to shift into starvation mode where almost nothing will cause it to loose weight except a complete removal of any food. Then soon as you start eating again you begin to store fat.

Have a nice Day.

In Britain we should have a problem with fat people, because when they go and have a coronary, we have to pay for it cus of the crappy NHS. Thats ne of the resons i hate it so much. and it should be privatised

I'd rather decide for myself whether I should have a problem with fat people or not.

Well, your signature's right.

Please note that I don't have a problem with being overweight. I'm not proud of it, but faced with the desicion between living on an extreme diet for the rest of my life and denying myself cooking and experimenting and inventing new recipes (I love French and Italian cuisine, cooking is one of my hobbies in fact) and living as a slim person, I chose staying overweight. My decision. NOT a problem, I don't have a health problem or a problem with my weight.

I have a problem with people who feel superior because they aren't overweight and try to make me feel bad and guilty about myself. People who feel that I should consider my weight a problem. People who display incredibly bad manners and impolite behaviour in telling me so. THAT is the problem. Not weight as such.

Now we are just beginning to understand a little about metablism and how it works. how dieting causes the body to shift into starvation mode where almost nothing will cause it to loose weight except a complete removal of any food. Then soon as you start eating again you begin to store fat.

That's why it's a bad idea to just eat less. To lose weight, you have to exercise and eat the right types of food.

i did not say this!

"would you actually trust a fat person?..in the workplace?...i mean..if they can't look after their own body ..how are they gonna cope with the job?"

Not sure where the quote is from, but, I'm guessing it was in a comedy routine? Otherwise it's just a moronic statement made by an idiot.

That's why it's a bad idea to just eat less. To lose weight, you have to exercise and eat the right types of food.

Exactly! Unfortunately, it seems that even this is too much work for some people. :(

In Britain we should have a problem with fat people, because when they go and have a coronary, we have to pay for it cus of the crappy NHS. Thats ne of the resons i hate it so much. and it should be privatised

:eek: A sane Brit? Whaaat? :eek:
I’m only kidding, of course. I know that many of you guys see the error of your unfair, corrupt and dangerous healthcare system.

Why? Saying that just makes me thing people have said things in deliberatly controversial ways for attention. If you haven't persuaded me to your point of view and have succeeded in making me support obese people, what exactly is the positive in that for you?

Out of curiosity, does your opinion on excuses for obesity apply for anyone who makes excuses for problems they're in? Because I find that part of human nature is to make excuses or deny responsibilty/ deny they have control over things.

And wouldn't it be a lot more productive to voice that opinion in an encouraging way so that it actually has a chance of helping people overcome their obesity?

I don't come in here to persuade anyone to my point of view. That is just idiotic. To try and play this off as my failure at swaying you to my side is ridiculous. You came in here knowing full-well that no matter how convincing the argument that you weren't going to switch sides. And, I'm not trying to get you to.

Yes, my opinion for excuses applies to every situation I encounter. Unless it's blatantly obvious that something wasn't your fault, don't blame something else for your stupidity.

No, it wouldn't be productive because this is the internet. No one is going to change their mind based on overwhelming evidence that obesity is unhealthy. Why? Because they lack the willpower to do so.

No, it wouldn't be productive because this is the internet. No one is going to change their mind based on overwhelming evidence that obesity is unhealthy. Why? Because they lack the willpower to do so.

Then what's the point in giving out about them in the first place? If we're all to stupid, undisciplined, weak, lazy, unproductive and lack the willpower to do anything but open and close the fridge?