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Discuss.

"Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause."
(Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)

Does that answer your question?

Wouldn't that kind of suffocate them?

Bah more foolishness from the Animal Rights/Cruelty lobby...

People should really question the ethics of such ideas (as in Animals Rights and the concept of 'feelings') and look at the somewhat dubious scientific research (in terms of epistemological concerns) underpinning of it.

Oh PETA, beacon of light in a world of needless animal torture, what won't you do?

Eat meat? :D

"Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are acceptable crimes when used for the animal cause."
(Alex Pacheco, director of PETA at the time, and its co-founder, in 1989)


wait! does that mean that it is ok for me to use Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft to advance MY cause. (Me getting a good meal) ;)

what wont they do?

it seems they wont keep pets alive in their animal shelter.

cellophane is so much sexier i guess

I absolutely LOVE when PETA does stuff like this and encourage them to continue doing so. It only marginalizes their cause and shows how illogical and sociopathic they are. *thumbs up*

As a vegetarian, I’m going to say that these people do not represent me. They are quite frankly disgusting and in the end ultimately hurt our cause. I mean who is going to listen to someone who’s calling them a murderer for doing something they see as perfectly acceptable?

wait! does that mean that it is ok for me to use Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft to advance MY cause. (Me getting a good meal) ;)

F*** knows. PETA are insane.

As a vegetarian, I’m going to say that these people do not represent me. They are quite frankly disgusting and in the end ultimately hurt our cause. I mean who is going to listen to someone who’s calling them a murderer for doing something they see as perfectly acceptable?

Why does everybody seem to think vegetairianism is a cause? It's a bloody way of life!

They're nutjobs. I'm disappointed the UK government has not yet found the balls to place these types of group on a list of banned terrorist organisations. Then at least you could imprison people for membership, if you can't make arson stick.

Those packages of people look like rather tasty meals though.

They're nutjobs. I'm disappointed the UK government has not yet found the balls to place these types of group on a list of banned terrorist organisations. Then at least you could imprison people for membership, if you can't make arson stick.

Nah, they ain't terrorists, just nutjobs who need medication.

Ha, what idiots. It reminds me of when that asshat dressed up as "frankentony" to protest kellogs alleged use of GM food. He claimed people had the right to "pure food": Yeah, like frosted flakes could ever be considered "pure food".

If you ask me, a lot of these protesters are just bored rich kids that like dressing up and causing trouble. I don't think they even care that much what they are dressing up for.

Someone should really introduce them to the chaps that LARP. It would, at least, make everyone elses life a bit quiter.

wait! does that mean that it is ok for me to use Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft to advance MY cause.

depends on the justification of the particular act, and the nature of the cause. or do you think that property destruction (for example) is never justified?

depends on the justification of the particular act, and the nature of the cause. or do you think that property destruction (for example) is never justified?

I do belive you have taken the comment way to seriously. That's just me though.

I do belive you have taken the comment way to seriously. That's just me though.

mayhaps i have. but then again, maybe i just think the whole peta hating thing is irrational silliness, and that it's fun to poke at people engaging in it.

Nah, they ain't terrorists, just nutjobs who need medication.
Hmm, they use violence to advance a political agenda. Terrorists.

Nah, they ain't terrorists, just nutjobs who need medication.
No, but they support terrorists. PETA has funded ALF and ELF.

Hell, the Sierra Club has funded the nutjob enviroterrorists over at Earth First!

Hmm, they use violence to advance a political agenda. Terrorists.

That means that George W. Bush is a terrorist, by your definition. Ah, sweet, sweet irony.

Besides, I've never really heard of PETA-based violence. Any examples?

Edit: Just looked at Texpunditistans' post. Whoops, I'm wrong it seems. Sorry.

Basically, PETA wants nothing more than the world to be vegan. Or dead ... besides their membership. I'm pretty sure the second one.

Anyone see the South Park episode where I believe it was Stan that got kicked out of the town for not voting in a school election, then ended up in the PETA colony in the woods? That was messed up, although I wouldn't be surprised if such a colony exists like one featured on that episode.

Hmm, they use violence to advance a political agenda. Terrorists.

what, where, and when?

cause over here in the states they just got audited, and i'm pretty sure being a terrorist organization would make one lose tax-exempt status.

Besides, I've never really heard of PETA-based violence. Any examples?

As stated before, they help fund the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). Also, they pay lawyers to defend those who have committed acts of eviro-terrorism.

Why does everybody seem to think vegetairianism is a cause? It's a bloody way of life!

Agreed. But we refer to it as a cause because we want others to adopt our much healthier and less destructive way of life. :D

I read a book called 'Vegitarianism; The Big Choice.' It was completely one sided in favour of vegetarians and included loads of really ridiculous lies submitted by P.E.T.A.

Agreed. But we refer to it as a cause because we want others to adopt our much healthier and less destructive way of life. :D

Just don't cover yourself in shrinkwrap. Unless your into that sort of thing...

Also, they pay lawyers to defend those who have committed acts of eviro-terrorism.

*ahem*

they have paid lawyers to defend those who have been accused of committing acts of property destruction.

omg noes!! how dare they help people pay to properly defend themselves against the power of the state in a court of law under an adversarial system?! i am shocked! shocked, i say!! this injustice must be stopped at once!!1!

*ahem*

they have paid lawyers to defend those who have been accused of committing acts of property destruction.

omg noes!! how dare they help people pay to properly defend themselves against the power of the state in a court of law under an adversarial system?! i am shocked! shocked, i say!! this injustice must be stopped at once!!1!
YEAH no real difference between that and mosques in the US sending money to "charity" groups in the mideast.

*ahem*

they have paid lawyers to defend those who have been accused of committing acts of property destruction.

omg noes!! how dare they help people pay to properly defend themselves against the power of the state in a court of law under an adversarial system?! i am shocked! shocked, i say!! this injustice must be stopped at once!!1!

*giggles*

Finally time to use a new word I recently learned.

PETA is inane. Finally I used it, probably correctly.

PETA is just annoying people who think that animals raised for meat is murder. So why don't we just let peta set them all free? Then the PETAn's would be responsible for the second stupidest animal, the cow (after the sloth).

Meat is used for protein and I just learned what ctrl m does. NEVER PRESS IT. Meat is a good source of protein and is more efficient. Proof is that the homo habelises were herbavours (Homo habelis were the first users of tools). After learning that pointy and/or sharp things are good for killing they then could kill for meat. Now guess what happened, the homo habelis evolved into homo saipen neanderthals (Maybe i skipped a few things), and homo saipen saipen (us). That is why the appendex is obsolete, except for doctors.

Finally time to use a new word I recently learned.

PETA is inane. Finally I used it, probably correctly.

PETA is just annoying people who think that animals raised for meat is murder. So why don't we just let peta set them all free? Then the PETAn's would be responsible for the second stupidest animal, the cow (after the sloth).

Meat is used for protein and I just learned what ctrl m does. NEVER PRESS IT. Meat is a good source of protein and is more efficient. Proof is that the homo habelises were herbavours (Homo habelis were the first users of tools). After learning that pointy and/or sharp things are good for killing they then could kill for meat. Now guess what happened, the homo habelis evolved into homo saipen neanderthals (Maybe i skipped a few things), and homo saipen saipen (us). That is why the appendex is obsolete, except for doctors.

Well ranted.

Ctrl m? Internet Connection Wizard? Huh?

Can anyone take these people seriously?

I'm a vegetarian and I in no way support PETA. I think that it's kuhl if people want to raise meat for food, but I do believe that most of the factory farmed animals are treated pretty shoddy, and I am against the life long suffering that many have tog o thru. Plus it's pretty unhealthy to injest meat that is so heavily treated with antibiotics, steriods and hormones. Free range organic meat is the way to go. :)

I'm a vegetarian and I in no way support PETA. I think that it's kuhl if people want to raise meat for food, but I do believe that most of the factory farmed animals are treated pretty shoddy, and I am against the life long suffering that many have tog o thru. Plus it's pretty unhealthy to injest meat that is so heavily treated with antibiotics, steriods and hormones. Free range organic meat is the way to go. :)

Yay the free range meat!

Kuhl? What does that mean? I can only see it as a misprint of either:

1. Cruel
or
2. Cool

So which is it?

2. Cool


;)

;)

Oh, I see.

Getting back on track, is there anyone out there that supports PETA? In any way, shape or form?

As a vegetarian, I’m going to say that these people do not represent me. They are quite frankly disgusting and in the end ultimately hurt our cause. I mean who is going to listen to someone who’s calling them a murderer for doing something they see as perfectly acceptable?

i am with you on that one

i am with you on that one

We all are.

Getting back on track, is there anyone out there that supports PETA? In any way, shape or form?

does thinking that they are fairly good at what they set out to do count?

Those packages of people look like rather tasty meals though.
Naah. The "meat" needs to be skinned, sliced & deboned first.

(Let me run the slicer, please...)

But even then it's probably too stringy & laden with hormones. Oh well. "The Secret's in the Sauce" I guess... :D

Naah. The "meat" needs to be skinned, sliced & deboned first.

(Let me run the slicer, please...)

But even then it's probably too stringy & laden with hormones. Oh well. "The Secret's in the Sauce" I guess... :D


Well if they are truely health nuts they probably have some of the best meat. Plus I like to skin and de-bone my own because then I know its done right. Sometimes its nice to roast them whole in the ground as well. Kinda makes for a nice presentation.

Well if they are truely health nuts they probably have some of the best meat. Plus I like to skin and de-bone my own because then I know its done right. Sometimes its nice to roast them whole in the ground as well. Kinda makes for a nice presentation.
This reminds me of something I used to say:

A note to vegans: after we carnivores run out of cows, we're coming after you. :p

Think about it: they're lean and grain-fed. ;)

THROW ANOTHER VEGAN ON THE BARBIE, MATE! :D

Actually, I was skinny as a twig all of my meat eating days (Until the age 27) and only started gaining weight when I went vegetarian. I am one of those people with the physiology to do better with a vegetarian diet I guess. But yer right I would be a healthier meal than most. I stray away from junk food for the most part. One thing you might enjoy while eatng me (gah that sounds so wrong) is the high you might get from all the THC in my system. Truely a euphoric meal :p

And you know that old saying "If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?", I think that shoudl apply to humans as well.

Oh, I see.

Getting back on track, is there anyone out there that supports PETA? In any way, shape or form?

Well, I haven't seen any pro-vegetarian posts with appallingly bad spelling lately, so I guess not.

Well, I haven't seen any pro-vegetarian posts with appallingly bad spelling lately, so I guess not.

Shite! Going to have make my own, lest the General forum be destroyed.

Ahem.

dA CAROTZ RULEZ UR Am eatEATIN PANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phew.

My work here is done.

PETA needs to learn that humans eat other animals, and this is natural.

They also need to learn that humans are not the only creatures on Earth that kill for the hell of it.

But PETA is incapable of learning this, so I'm effectively just spamming here.

you do know this is from the same peolpe that compared sending chickens to be killed was the same as the NAZI's sending Jews to the Gas Chambers right?

I saw pictures from that ad, it was sad....

I'd put PETA under a terrorist list and put the leaders on America's Most Wanted.


(Note: One of my best friends is a vegan(sp?), I tease him a bit, but I respect his tastes)

you do know this is from the same peolpe that compared sending chickens to be killed was the same as the NAZI's sending Jews to the Gas Chambers right?

I saw pictures from that add, it was sad....

I'd put PETA under a terrorist list and put the leaders on America's Most Wanted.

I'd put the man/woman/genderqueer who said the Chicken remark under the circus tent. They'd be the act where a man throws knifes at them. I'd be that man. I would not miss.

I'm vegan... But yea, that bunch is pretty out there.
I remember a funny local story. Their local equivalent once decided to spring a bunch of ... (Forgot the name, those little black psycho animals pelts are made of). The psychotic little animals then went on a rampage, killing every chicken, cat and, as far as I recall, even a dog. Eventually most were hunted down and killed. The ones people didn't manage to shoot simply gave up life.

It's sort of bizzare how these animal rights activists come off every bit as bad as the people they think are in the wrong.

I'm vegan... But yea, that bunch is pretty out there.
I remember a funny local story. Their local equivalent once decided to spring a bunch of ... (Forgot the name, those little black psycho animals pelts are made of). The psychotic little animals then went on a rampage, killing every chicken, cat and, as far as I recall, even a dog. Eventually most were hunted down and killed. The ones people didn't manage to shoot simply gave up life.

It's sort of bizzare how these animal rights activists come off every bit as bad as the people they think are in the wrong.

I belive you are referring to the Mink.

I'm vegan... But yea, that bunch is pretty out there.
I remember a funny local story. Their local equivalent once decided to spring a bunch of ... (Forgot the name, those little black psycho animals pelts are made of). The psychotic little animals then went on a rampage, killing every chicken, cat and, as far as I recall, even a dog. Eventually most were hunted down and killed. The ones people didn't manage to shoot simply gave up life.

It's sort of bizzare how these animal rights activists come off every bit as bad as the people they think are in the wrong.
Minks is what you are talking about.

PETA is a group of psychotics who want "Total Animal Liberation." In other words, complete human disassociation with animals in any form. Food, pets, medical products, anything that has an animal component period.

And they are also hypocritical in regards that they have no affection for the animals they supposedly protect. They've been knowing to slaughter homeless cats and dogs because it's cheaper than running a shelter for them continually.

They've also created fraudulent subgroups that masquerade as physicians and other respectable professionals in order to terrify people- especially children- into abandoning animal products including milk.

PETA also tries to buy out shares in restaurants such as Outback Steakhouse and when they gain a controlling majority, lump on deliberately ridiculous and expensive measures that are intended to bankrupt the company.

ALF, the scarier version of PETA

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506090213jun09,1,1064633.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
Ground zero of labs vs. animal-rights activists

By Kirsten Scharnberg and Tim Jones, Tribune national correspondents. Kirsten Scharnberg reported from Iowa City and Tim Jones from Madison, Wis
Published June 9, 2005

IOWA CITY -- The shaky, amateurish video shows everything in graphic detail: Four masked people break into darkened university labs, pour toxic chemicals onto computers and stacks of files, and release hundreds of research rats and mice. They spray-paint walls with slogans such as "Science not Sadism" and "Free the Animals."

The November break-in at the University of Iowa's Spence Laboratories--an act for which there have been no arrests but for which the group Animal Liberation Front, or ALF, has claimed responsibility--is characterized by university and law-enforcement officials as terrorism.

The incident has made the University of Iowa, a school in the heart of one of America's most farm-centered, meat-producing states, ground zero in a national battleground over animal-based research at taxpayer-funded institutions.

At the University of Wisconsin-Madison, animal-rights activists are protesting research getting under way that uses pigs to measure the impact of police stun guns. No violent incidents have been reported in Madison, but officials there have increased security at research buildings.

Animal research labs have been targeted at the University of Minnesota, the University of California, San Francisco, Western Washington University and Louisiana State University.

And last month in Washington, John Lewis, the FBI's deputy assistant director for counterterrorism, told a Senate committee that animal-rights and environmental activists resorting to arson and explosives are the nation's top domestic terrorism threat.

In Iowa City, the break-in has unnerved the research community.

"All the people who work in animal labs are now worried about the security of their labs and of themselves and their families," said Joseph Kearney, the associate dean for research at the University of Iowa's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences.

"The actions of some of these groups who target our researchers and our facilities are no longer a nuisance," he said. "It is no longer vandalism. It is terrorism."

The controversy comes as federal officials in Milwaukee prepare to try a member of the Animal Liberation Front charged with releasing hundreds of minks in northern Wisconsin in 1997. Investigators say they hope the trial will shed new light on the tactics of the extreme elements of the animal-rights movement, some of whom have targeted private labs as well as executives of companies that do business with research labs.

Anti-terrorism law used

In New Jersey, law-enforcement officials are using an anti-terrorism law this month against seven animal-rights activists charged with harassing and vandalizing a company that used animals in drug testing. Prosecutors said the activists used threats, intimidation and cyber attacks against Huntingdon Life Sciences employees, with the intention of driving the company out of business.

The incident that set the tone for much of today's rhetoric and tactics at universities where animal experimentation takes place came in 1999 when a group that called itself The Justice Department sent more than 80 letters booby-trapped with razor blades to animal researchers at prestigious schools across the United States. Some of the letters claimed to have used blades coated with AIDS-infected blood; one Harvard professor was told, "If you do not heed our warning, your violence will be turned on you."

The ALF boasted of masterminding the incident in Iowa and issued the kind of threats to University of Iowa faculty that have become increasingly associated with the movement to end animal experimentation:

"Let this message be clear to all who victimize the innocent: We're watching. And by axe, drill, or crowbar--we're coming through your door. Stop or be stopped," the ALF Web site warned before listing the home addresses of the Iowa scientists who experiment on animals.

With the November lab break-in and threats as a backdrop, the Iowa campus has ratcheted up security. The backgrounds of graduate students who would require lab access are being scrutinized, because many professors said they believe the break-in may have been carried out by grad students who applied to specific departments solely to facilitate such an act. Security cameras have been installed and guards hired, a strange sight in a low-crime college town of 64,000 people.

The Iowa incident is estimated to have cost the school nearly a half-million dollars, displaced about 170 classes and, six months after the break-in, left a corner of the campus blocked off by yellow crime-scene tape.

One campus group--the Iowa Law Student Animal Legal Defense Fund--has brought several animal-rights speakers to campus, including one just weeks after the break-in who told the audience that animal experimentation was akin to the enslavement of blacks and that if he had to choose between saving a person or his dog from a burning house, he probably would choose his dog.

Leana Stormont is the face and voice of the push to stop animal experimentation at the University of Iowa. She is the head of the Iowa Law Student Animal Legal Defense Fund, and her business cards bear a quote from abolitionist Frederick Douglass and a picture of a baby pig cuddling with its mother.

Stormont, who just graduated from Iowa's law school and has taken a job in the legal department of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, gives rational and reasoned answers to most questions: Would she accept an animal experiment if it could be demonstrated to her without a doubt that it might lead to a cure for cancer? "I think I could be convinced that at some point the benefits outweighed the costs," she answers.



pgs 2 & 3 are on the website.

If I had the power, I'd put all the PETA members in a cage in a steak & grillhouse in Texas. That would be thé ultimate torture for those people.

They're nutjobs. I'm disappointed the UK government has not yet found the balls to place these types of group on a list of banned terrorist organisations. Then at least you could imprison people for membership, if you can't make arson stick.
Exactly how i feel. These animal rights terrorists threaten workers, commit arson, disrupt work and delay research into curing human diseases. They are terrorists pure and simple and need to be treated as such.