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Small setback for the zero-tolerance, zero-responsibility mentality that is running wild in our government schools, but a setback all the same.

"School District officials not only violated an 11-year-old girl's rights by suspending her for drawings she made outside of school, they knew they were wrong, a judge said yesterday," reports the Times Herald-Record of Middletown, N.Y. It happened at Twin Towers Middle School:

The girl was suspended in October 2003 after she drew pictures of tombstones with the names of two teachers at the school under the words "Rest in Peace." Below the teachers' names were obscenities.

The district viewed her drawings as threats toward staff members and charged the girl with "endangering the safety, morals, health or welfare of others."

But the drawings weren't made in school. They were made during a slumber party at the home of a classmate. The classmate's father found the drawings the next day and alerted police, who in turn alerted the school.

Judge Charles Brieat of the U.S. District Court "determined that the district officials violated the girl's rights to free speech as well as due process, and that 'the defendants knew clearly that their Code of Conduct did not apply to off-campus conduct that was not related to school functions.' "

Bah! I hate zero tolerance policies. It allows the people in charge to get away with NOT EFFING THINKING. Gah! I remember many moons ago when I was in middle school I read a magazine article about a kid who wrote a Stephen King rip off novella and somehow the school found it (maybe a locker search. I don't remember.) and they suspended him. Come on. Fucking hell. Let us discourage our kids from expressing any negative feelings and god forbid they be interested in writing. That's the devil past time because it requires your brain.

That's nothing.

I stood up for myself in my last year of high school (I was 19, and in grade 13), and I was treated like a kid. The teachers think they're so high and mighty. I protested when they blatantly used the entrance doors instead of the exit ones at the library nearly causing a head on collision. I told them that it wasn't the exit.

I then got into more shit for doing school work on a school computer, while my neighbours were NOT doing schoolwork IN the library. The librarian who wanted me to move didn't even try and accomdate me, so I didn't move, I kept on working.

I then 10 minutes later wind up being suspended for a day. Guess what else counted against me? Something I had been reprimended for in grade 4. I punched a girl twice; once because I was threatened and the second time BY ACCIDENT. I had been given a week's detention.

How's that for zero tolerance?

That's nothing.

I stood up for myself in my last year of high school (I was 19, and in grade 13), and I was treated like a kid. The teachers think they're so high and mighty. I protested when they blatantly used the entrance doors instead of the exit ones at the library nearly causing a head on collision. I told them that it wasn't the exit.

I then got into more shit for doing school work on a school computer, while my neighbours were NOT doing schoolwork IN the library. The librarian who wanted me to move didn't even try and accomdate me, so I didn't move, I kept on working.

I then 10 minutes later wind up being suspended for a day. Guess what else counted against me? Something I had been reprimended for in grade 4. I punched a girl twice; once because I was threatened and the second time BY ACCIDENT. I had been given a week's detention.

How's that for zero tolerance?

Public schools only care about producing robots. You can't think for yourself. Lo siento about what happened to you. I got suspended once for something ridiculous as well.

It's a good thing I'm in a private school.

If you want to see exactly how fucking stupid and DANGEROUS zero tolerance policies are, the New York Times reported in 2002 (I'm still trying to find the full text of the article) that an 11-year-old died of asthma because his school's zero tolerance policy prevented him from carrying an inhaler.

Also, kids have gotten suspended under zero tolerance weapon policies for bringing TINY, PLASTIC GI-JOE ACCESSORY GUNS to school. :rolleyes:

If you want to see exactly how fucking stupid and DANGEROUS zero tolerance policies are, the New York Times reported in 2002 (I'm still trying to find the full text of the article) that an 11-year-old died of asthma because his school's zero tolerance policy prevented him from carrying an inhaler.
That's disgusting. I bet the admins at the school don't even think it's their fault. Necessary medicines should not have to be left with the school. And as a girl it's ridiculous that we aren't allowed to have ibuprofen/aspirin/midol with us. If you only have a few on you there's no way you're going to OD and it's better than having to go home and miss school because you're in so much pain you can't move (the kicker is when you can't even get to the office to call your mum because of the pain). How I loved those days...

Stay out of the way, shut up, and reserve all creative thought for outside of school. That's my policy and I have gotten through eleven years of pubic schooling without incidence.

Stay out of the way, shut up, and reserve all creative thought for outside of school. That's my policy and I have gotten through eleven years of pubic schooling without incidence.

That shouldn't be necessary though. If anything, schools should be encouraging creativity.

That shouldn't be necessary though. If anything, schools should be encouraging creativity.

Well of course, they should. Unfortunately, realty doesn't often coincide with what should be. You have to adjust and deal.

Hah, I remember that shortly after SWIII came out lightsabers were declared to be 'concealed weapons' in our school, a kid got suspended for having one.

But yes, zero tolerance is a bad idea for some things. I support it for things like guns, knives, drugs etc. Writing a Stephen King ripoff? No, not really. Unless it was really bad :P

I don't know where you come from then. Schools encourage conformance and interdependance -- socially authoritarian, economically conservative -- and stifle creativity. I've had teachers who've taken points off stories because I invented a country to set them in. I've been yelled at for using a school computer to print some homework. I've been forced to endure hours of memorization of useless facts which have to be recalled for a final exam. All in a private school. And public schools are a lot worse.

In one of my former schools the librarian yelled at people who formed study groups in the library. The science teacher didn't allow anyone to leave after the final exam until it was over for paranoia of cheating. The principal didn't accept me until I went on TV. And I went through >10 schools between first and eighth grades alone. I hated the school system when growing up.

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

On zero tolerance: It should be reserved for crime, not school. End of story. (The only thing that should be illegal is crime.)

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

What I love is that people think that by doing "across the board" ideas like "zero tolerance" and "no profiling" they are increasing our safety (false) and making everything fair (false). It also is based on the idea that everyone is equally guilty, equally irresponsible, equally culpable - even after evidence to the contrary is presented, again and again.

As an example, they still forbid profiling at airport screening. This, despite the fact that what we're really looking for is young Arab males.

And, when a kid brings a nail clipper to school - he's violating the school "weapons" policy. Never mind that it never came out of his pocket, or was never used to threaten or harm anyone.

Same as the idea of banning guns. We never want to hold any individuals, or specific groups of people responsible for anything - it's politically expedient to blame the weapon, or blame something else, or blame everyone - a politically correct government is NEVER going to blame an individual.

Even if an individual is proven to have done something, the politically correct will excuse him by saying, "society made him do it" or "American imperialism made him do it" or "he took Prozac, and that made him do it".

Never a word about how someone can just be an evil, nasty, son of a bitch who likes to do bad things - and chooses to do so.

What I love is that people think that by doing "across the board" ideas like "zero tolerance" and "no profiling" they are increasing our safety (false) and making everything fair (false). It also is based on the idea that everyone is equally guilty, equally irresponsible, equally culpable - even after evidence to the contrary is presented, again and again.

As an example, they still forbid profiling at airport screening. This, despite the fact that what we're really looking for is young Arab males.

And, when a kid brings a nail clipper to school - he's violating the school "weapons" policy. Never mind that it never came out of his pocket, or was never used to threaten or harm anyone.

Same as the idea of banning guns. We never want to hold any individuals, or specific groups of people responsible for anything - it's politically expedient to blame the weapon, or blame something else, or blame everyone - a politically correct government is NEVER going to blame an individual.

Even if an individual is proven to have done something, the politically correct will excuse him by saying, "society made him do it" or "American imperialism made him do it" or "he took Prozac, and that made him do it".

Never a word about how someone can just be an evil, nasty, son of a bitch who likes to do bad things - and chooses to do so. I agree with you, except for your shameless furthering of your political agenda. ;)

It's all an outgrowth of the quality of the people attracted to Public School Administration. It's also a result of general noninvolvement by Parents. Can you name your local School Board? Your Superintendent? If you're not a student, I give just 5% chance you can do it. If you're still in Public School, I raise that to 20%.
These people aren't held accountable for making good decisions, so they make up ZT policies to cover themselves for the Insurance and Lawyers, because ultimately, that's the only accountability they end up dealing with.

Also, kids have gotten suspended under zero tolerance weapon policies for bringing TINY, PLASTIC GI-JOE ACCESSORY GUNS to school. :rolleyes:
I remember in our drama class we weren't even allowed to bring in squirt guns and pretend they were guns in our plays. Hell, we weren't even allowed to draw a gun on paper, cut it out and support it with popsicle sticks.

I remember in our drama class we weren't even allowed to bring in squirt guns and pretend they were guns in our plays. Hell, we weren't even allowed to draw a gun on paper, cut it out and support it with popsicle sticks.

Someone might think it was a real gun, and get shot.

That's disgusting. I bet the admins at the school don't even think it's their fault. Necessary medicines should not have to be left with the school. And as a girl it's ridiculous that we aren't allowed to have ibuprofen/aspirin/midol with us. If you only have a few on you there's no way you're going to OD and it's better than having to go home and miss school because you're in so much pain you can't move (the kicker is when you can't even get to the office to call your mum because of the pain). How I loved those days...

How ON EARTH do you OD on Aspirin or Ibuprofen? How many packages would you have to gulp down per minute???

I got suspended once for bringing an actor's knife to school (one of those plastic things that couldn't cut butter, and retract on impact). The principal through up her hands and muttered something about 9-11.

Small setback for the zero-tolerance, zero-responsibility mentality that is running wild in our government schools, but a setback all the same.

"School District officials not only violated an 11-year-old girl's rights by suspending her for drawings she made outside of school, they knew they were wrong, a judge said yesterday," reports the Times Herald-Record of Middletown, N.Y. It happened at Twin Towers Middle School:

Judge Charles Brieat of the U.S. District Court "determined that the district officials violated the girl's rights to free speech as well as due process, and that 'the defendants knew clearly that their Code of Conduct did not apply to off-campus conduct that was not related to school functions.' "


This really happened in the U.S? in Britain the teachers would laugh at the drawings and just humiliate the student in front of others in a johocular fashion...i mean...legal action is a little steep isnt it?

This really happened in the U.S? in Britain the teachers would laugh at the drawings and just humiliate the student in front of others in a johocular fashion...i mean...legal action is a little steep isnt it?

Seconded.

If I had said some of the things I've said to my teachers in a U.S school, I'd instantly be classed as a bestial pervert in urgent need of incarceration.

How ON EARTH do you OD on Aspirin or Ibuprofen? How many packages would you have to gulp down per minute???

It can be dangerous if you mix it with alcohol in a reasonably large quantity, I believe.

I remember in our drama class we weren't even allowed to bring in squirt guns and pretend they were guns in our plays. Hell, we weren't even allowed to draw a gun on paper, cut it out and support it with popsicle sticks.


Kids at my school used guns in plays, exact replica guns, they looked as real as could be.

They were basically movie prop guns.

It can be dangerous if you mix it with alcohol in a reasonably large quantity, I believe.



Which is always readily available in any middle school. (Sarcasm mode on)

It can be dangerous if you mix it with alcohol in a reasonably large quantity, I believe.

The same thing happens with any drug and alcohol. Including more alcohol.

In the states, children loose thier constitutional rights as soon as they enter the classroom as stated by the supreme court.

Besides that is probably slander and could cause mental anguish, might be considered a threat, and endangers the moral of the teachers. It was school related since it was two of her teachers.

Which is always readily available in any middle school. (Sarcasm mode on)


No need for sarcasm...

In the states, children loose thier constitutional rights as soon as they enter the classroom as stated by the supreme court.

Besides that is probably slander and could cause mental anguish, might be considered a threat, and endangers the moral of the teachers. It was school related since it was two of her teachers.

....If the U.S had signed the U.N whotsaname on the rights of the child then surely that would solve a lot of problems like this..??/

Besides that is probably slander and could cause mental anguish, might be considered a threat, and endangers the moral of the teachers. It was school related since it was two of her teachers.

So when I call my teacher a "fucking stupid arsewipe who can't teach dog-tricks and should be fired", I should be incarcerated?

....If the U.S had signed the U.N whotsaname on the rights of the child then surely that would solve a lot of problems like this..??/

It was ruled that education is more important over a case of invading privacy of a grade school student when they switched papers too grade an exam. The parents took it all the way up the the supreme court.

On the gun thing, when i went to junior high, i couldn't even make a gun gesture with my hand. I think it was grounds for immediate oss or expulsion, one of those.

As an example, they still forbid profiling at airport screening. This, despite the fact that what we're really looking for is young Arab males.

Do you know anything about the situation in Northen Ireland, or the plane shoebomber. Do you know of the North Korean governments opinion of the USA. There are also many extreemists in every religion any of which could be terrorists, of either gender. Profiling is also against pretty much every human rights law, and the product of people who's oppinion is that there is only Good and Evil no grey area in between.

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On the gun thing, when i went to junior high, i couldn't even make a gun gesture with my hand. I think it was grounds for immediate oss or expulsion, one of those.[/QUOTE]


!!!! I wouldnt survive in america...all the bizar rules..

So when I call my teacher a "fucking stupid arsewipe who can't teach dog-tricks and should be fired", I should be incarcerated?


You could be sued unless you can give a literal example of how he/she is what you mentioned. If she/he taught only one dog how to sit and the rest was true then she/he could/would win.

!!!! I wouldnt survive in america...all the bizar rules..

Probably just where I am.

Which is always readily available in any middle school. (Sarcasm mode on)

That's kinda my point. The odds of a student smuggling in a bottle of whisky, then deciding that life is no longer worth living and downing a load of aspirins with it on school grounds are rather slim.

You could be sued unless you can give a literal example of how he/she is what you mentioned. If she/he taught only one dog how to sit and the rest was true then she/he could/would win.


!!!!!!!! the legends were true! ...you can be sued for anything!

You could be sued unless you can give a literal example of how he/she is what you mentioned. If she/he taught only one dog how to sit and the rest was true then she/he could/would win.

Of course I'm British, so no teacher would sue over this. They are too concerned with that little thing called "education".

Maybe the U.S teachers should concentrate on that, rather than mollycoddling.

That's kinda my point. The odds of a student smuggling in a bottle of whisky, then deciding that life is no longer worth living and downing a load of aspirins with it on school grounds are rather slim.

Not in this country...

Of course I'm British, so no teacher would sue over this. They are too concerned with that little thing called "education".

Maybe the U.S teachers should concentrate on that, rather than mollycoddling.


I dont think its mollycoddling so much as....something i will think of later

That's kinda my point. The odds of a student smuggling in a bottle of whisky, then deciding that life is no longer worth living and downing a load of aspirins with it on school grounds are rather slim.

My neighbor and his friends brought in some kind of alcholhic beverage into school disquised as water bottles and guess what, we couldnt use water bottles any more (they were found out).

White out was discouraged in grammar school because people would sniff it. Yeah i think I am in a messed up area. I blame the governer, superintendant, old superintendant and my neighbor.

Not in this country...

Agreed. :(

What is the US legal drinking age? 21 !?

What is the US legal drinking age? 21 !?

Yea, which is stupid. At 18 you can smoke, vote and do almost every legal thing but drink.

Japan the age is 20
Aruba is apparently 18

Yea, which is stupid. At 18 you can smoke, vote and do almost every legal thing but drink.

You can die for your country at 18 (at least I think you can. I'm not all that familiar with US law).

Yea, which is stupid. At 18 you can smoke, vote and do almost every legal thing but drink.

Japan the age is 20
Aruba is apparently 18


the legal age of concent over here is 16 (the torys wanted at one point to lower it to 14)

Drinking age is 16 i think....
and driving a car is 18 (use to be 16)
and flying a plane is 17...
voting is also 18 i think

You can die for your country at 18 (at least I think you can. I'm not all that familiar with US law).

Yes, thats the minimum legal age to join, although without a doubt there are a few exceptions

the legal age of concent over here is 16 (the torys wanted at one point to lower it to 14)

Drinking age is 16 i think....
and driving a car is 18 (use to be 16)
and flying a plane is 17...
voting is also 18 i think

21
16 for permit, 17 with drivers ed, 18 for full but it also varies
I think it is 18
18

Besides that is probably slander and could cause mental anguish, might be considered a threat, and endangers the moral of the teachers. It was school related since it was two of her teachers.

It's not slander. (Well probably not).

In any case, anyone who is that emotionally fragile shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

How did we come to this? It seems as if teachers (or "educators" as they erroneously choose to style themselves) are now delicate flowers to be protected from the real world instead of serious pedagogues, and, meanwhile, young children are increasingly expected to show the maturity and forethought of adults.

Still, I've always believed that the public schools in the US were run exclusively for the benefit of teachers anyway.

the legal age of concent over here is 16 (the torys wanted at one point to lower it to 14)

Drinking age is 16 i think....
and driving a car is 18 (use to be 16)
and flying a plane is 17...
voting is also 18 i think

In the UK:
You can get a provisional license at 16, to be allowed to drive a small, weak moped. Driving a car is 17, I think.
Drinking and voting are 18, sex and smoking are 16.

In the UK:
You can get a provisional license at 16, to be allowed to drive a small, weak moped. Driving a car is 17, I think.
Drinking and voting are 18, sex and smoking are 16.


ah well...yes but mopeds ...do they really count as driving?...i mean..look at them!

It's not slander. (Well probably not).

In any case, anyone who is that emotionally fragile shouldn't be teaching in the first place.

How did we come to this? It seems as if teachers (or "educators" as they erroneously choose to style themselves) are now delicate flowers to be protected from the real world instead of serious pedagogues, and, meanwhile, young children are increasingly expected to show the maturity and forethought of adults.

Still, I've always believed that the public schools in the US were run exclusively for the benefit of teachers anyway.

Hitting with rulers is called child abuse and lawyers are everywhere.

Lawyers changed this country so much, that is why things have stupid warnings such as on a chainsaw:
"Do not stop the blade with your hands"
on a hair dryer "Do not operate while sleeping"
on Christmas lights "For indoor or outdoor use only"
For a fishhook too big to fit in your mouth "Do not swallow for this product contains led"
coffee "Warning hot"
and others

the legal age of concent over here is 16 (the torys wanted at one point to lower it to 14)

Drinking age is 16 i think....
and driving a car is 18 (use to be 16)
and flying a plane is 17...
voting is also 18 i think

At 16 you can order a wine, beer, cider or perry with your meal in a reaturant. You cannot drink in a pub, nor can you buy alcohol in a supermarket.

Driving is 17 I think.

Don't know about planes, as I have vertigo.

Voting is 18. You have to be 21 to run for parliment, however.

Small setback for the zero-tolerance, zero-responsibility mentality that is running wild in our government schools, but a setback all the same.

"School District officials not only violated an 11-year-old girl's rights by suspending her for drawings she made outside of school, they knew they were wrong, a judge said yesterday," reports the Times Herald-Record of Middletown, N.Y. It happened at Twin Towers Middle School:

Judge Charles Brieat of the U.S. District Court "determined that the district officials violated the girl's rights to free speech as well as due process, and that 'the defendants knew clearly that their Code of Conduct did not apply to off-campus conduct that was not related to school functions.' "

While the threat of violence is considerably high or at least presumed to be, in American schools, what kind of father would alert the police to drawings made at a slumber party? Drawings made by an 11 year old girl. This ass has probably forced this girl to have to change schools. (who calls there school twin towers middle school????)

I bet that 'father' is one of those annoying 'patrioctic freaks', who cheats on his wife, while pretending to have a 'happy family' living the "American dream' grrrrrrr

Hitting with rulers is called child abuse and lawyers are everywhere.

Lawyers changed this country so much, that is why things have stupid warnings such as on a chainsaw:
"Do not stop the blade with your hands"
on a hair dryer "Do not operate while sleeping"
on Christmas lights "For indoor or outdoor use only"
For a fishhook too big to fit in your mouth "Do not swallow for this product contains led"
coffee "Warning hot"
and others

Don't forget the Japenese blender:

Not to be used for the other use.

Or on the base of a cake box:

Don't turn upside down.

I bet that 'father' is one of those annoying 'patrioctic freaks', who cheats on his wife, while pretending to have a 'happy family' living the "American dream' grrrrrrr

What is the American dream, is it to sue everyone till they sue you in a never ending cycle until the only people with money are the lawyers?

While the threat of violence is considerably high or at least presumed to be, in American schools, what kind of father would alert the police to drawings made at a slumber party? Drawings made by an 11 year old girl. This ass has probably forced this girl to have to change schools. (who calls there school twin towers middle school????)


Should have done this before, but anyway what if the picture was a picture of a tombstone with your name on it, the acronym RIP and obscenities written by an obviously angry 11 year old. They are unpredictable(well not so and I made a mistake with the opening that I am too lazy to fix)!

What is zero-tolerance? These stories are all horrible. How does anything useful get done in these schools?

Should have done this before, but anyway what if the picture was a picture of a tombstone with your name on it, the acronym RIP and obscenities written by an obviously angry 11 year old. They are unpredictable(well not so and I made a mistake with the opening that I am too lazy to fix)!

woah! she was 11.... :p :p

Heh. This is just funny.

Here in britain we have three model guns, not counting the six-shooter with a 'bang' flag, in our drama department. we also have a stage knife, full-sixe replica (plastic) but realistic broadsword from doing many shakespeares.

Then there's the time i brought a power rangers toy with flying fists into schoolwhen i was 8. oh no! it could give someone a nasty death is they swallowed the fist!

firefox says it's 107 polygons till beer o' clock

plus our school has a special needs school attatched to it - so somne of the people there could REALLY think we have guns!

I also think you could do more damage with a hockey stick, or a studded boot from the P.E. department. And chalk dust! asthma hazard! oh no, ban chalk and also whiteboard pens because they smell funny.

Oh, and computers. theyt obviously have an electrical current running through them which could electrocute any pillock who stuck his hands into it.

This zero-tolerance thing says paranoia. hell, it writes it on it's face, then covers it in case it causes an insult to a paranoid individual.

What is zero-tolerance? These stories are all horrible. How does anything useful get done in these schools?

Basically if you say/do an action then it would be treated as a real occurence. So if i pretend have a knife, then I would be punished the same as if I actually did.

Heh. This is just funny.

Here in britain we have three model guns, not counting the six-shooter with a 'bang' flag, in our drama department. we also have a stage knife, full-sixe replica (plastic) but realistic broadsword from doing many shakespeares.

Then there's the time i brought a power rangers toy with flying fists into schoolwhen i was 8. oh no! it could give someone a nasty death is they swallowed the fist!

firefox says it's 107 polygons till beer o' clock

plus our school has a special needs school attatched to it - so somne of the people there could REALLY think we have guns!

I also think you could do more damage with a hockey stick, or a studded boot from the P.E. department. And chalk dust! asthma hazard! oh no, ban chalk and also whiteboard pens because they smell funny.

Oh, and computers. theyt obviously have an electrical current running through them which could electrocute any pillock who stuck his hands into it.

This zero-tolerance thing says paranoia. hell, it writes it on it's face, then covers it in case it causes an insult to a paranoid individual.

It's funny because it's true.

Zero-tolerance? Ain't that what the police do to people who go 2 mph over the limit and motorcycles whilst ignoring crime?

Heh. This is just funny.

Here in britain we have three model guns, not counting the six-shooter with a 'bang' flag, in our drama department. we also have a stage knife, full-sixe replica (plastic) but realistic broadsword from doing many shakespeares.

Then there's the time i brought a power rangers toy with flying fists into schoolwhen i was 8. oh no! it could give someone a nasty death is they swallowed the fist!

firefox says it's 107 polygons till beer o' clock

plus our school has a special needs school attatched to it - so somne of the people there could REALLY think we have guns!

I also think you could do more damage with a hockey stick, or a studded boot from the P.E. department. And chalk dust! asthma hazard! oh no, ban chalk and also whiteboard pens because they smell funny.

Oh, and computers. theyt obviously have an electrical current running through them which could electrocute any pillock who stuck his hands into it.

This zero-tolerance thing says paranoia. hell, it writes it on it's face, then covers it in case it causes an insult to a paranoid individual.

You're lucky, in my district even dodge ball was made illegal, so we play a game exactly like it but it is not called dodge ball. Maybe it is called Dodge the Ball.

It's funny because it's true.

Zero-tolerance? Ain't that what the police do to people who go 2 mph over the limit and motorcycles whilst ignoring crime?

No you are thinking of beer.

No you are thinking of beer.

Ah, sweet, sweet beer. Drink of Kings!

Whisky would be the drink of the gods, if I wasn't an Atheist.

I think it is 18
Nein!

No age-limit for flying if you fly with an instructor:
Q. When can I start?


A. Right away. All you have to do is find a flight instructor and sign up for an introductory lesson. You don’t have to have a student pilot’s certificate or a medical certificate to take flying lessons. Of course, you won’t be able to fly solo right away. That takes time and the paperwork described in this guide.

Q. How old do I have to be to take the recreational pilot or private pilot written test?


A. At least 15 years old. If you want to pilot a balloon or glider, you must be at least 14 years old. Before taking the knowledge test, you may have to show proof of age, such as a birth certificate.

Q. When do I need a student pilot’s certificate?


A. Before you can fly solo. You don’t need a student pilot’s certificate to take flying lessons.

Q. Am I eligible for a student pilot’s certificate?


A. You are eligible if--

You are at least 16 years old. If you plan to pilot a glider or balloon, you must be at least 14 years old.
You can read, speak, and understand English.
AND

You hold at least a current third-class medical certificate. If you plan to pilot a glider or balloon, you only have to certify that you have no medical defect that would make you unable to pilot a glider or balloon.

Q. How old do I have to be to get a recreational pilot’s certificate or a private pilot’s certificate?


A. You must be at least 17 years old. If you want to be a private glider pilot or be rated for free flight in a balloon, you must be at least 16 years old.

Bah! I hate zero tolerance policies....I remember many moons ago when I was in middle school I read a magazine article about a kid who wrote a Stephen King rip off novella and somehow the school found it (maybe a locker search. I don't remember.) and they suspended him.


DID I REALLY MAKE THE PAPERS!?!?!

I made a knife for an art project in my sculpture class.

Well...what happens next...WEAPON ON CAMPUS...zero tolerance.

Busted...and then they found my Dean Koontz like rip off writing....bam!

Suspended and expelled. All because of an art project....I like zero-tolerance.

ah well...yes but mopeds ...do they really count as driving?...i mean..look at them!

Don't knock mopeds. They make you look incredibly cool, like burberry.

No way!

I said I think meaning I wasn't sure.

Don't knock mopeds.

*Knocks a moped. With a big hammer.*

*Knocks a moped. With a big hammer.*
*Uses five hundred metric tons to over kill said moped. Maybe I should stand further away. Oh well. Boom*

What is zero-tolerance? These stories are all horrible. How does anything useful get done in these schools?

By accident. American schools have been on a downward slide my entire life plus some. I was undereducated when I graduated HS in '91, but compared to most of the people coming out, my education was first-rate.

Check this:

Highschool Grads (recent) who can't read a ruler, add and subtract fractions, or handle decimal-conversion. This isn't just at work, this is in community college, doing 101 level work, I'm talking about. Us old farts sitting in the classroom because we're too many years from our own graduation, and the kids fresh-out-of High School are having problems with simple concepts that used to be taught in 7th grade...

In the workplace, it's worse, because these kids are picking up $9.50 an hour and I end up having to teach them basic math-skills on break so they don't get their asses fired for shoddy work (thus bringing in some other snot-nosed brat I have to train...)

and that is the good ones. the 'smart' ones who're supposed to be going to WSU and UW in the fall, kids.

Don't knock mopeds. They make you look incredibly cool, like burberry.


:eek: i hope you are not being serious....BERBERY..GRRR!

Look:

JOINT SENATE RESOLUTION

CONCERNING ACADEMIC FREEDOM IN PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION

WHEREAS, Public primary and secondary education in the State of ___________ is an important and valued institution that fosters learning, culture, and economic vitality; and


WHEREAS, Providing students with a solid foundation in the language arts, mathematics, science, history, the humanities, and the social sciences to adequately equip students to learn to think critically, acquire an understanding of our shared national heritage and the richness and diversity of our culture, and prepare them to lead productive lives as informed and responsible citizens in our democratic republic is among the principal purposes of public primary and secondary education; and

WHEREAS, The academic freedom of instructors and the academic freedom of

students are essential and complementary elements of successful education; and

WHEREAS, Teachers and school administrators from the state’s public elementary schools, middle schools, junior and senior high schools have often expressed their commitment to valuing and respecting diversity; and

WHEREAS, A commitment to respect diversity in the educational context necessarily includes a respect for the diversity of intellectual, political, and religious viewpoints, and this commitment must remain strong; and

WHEREAS, A respect for intellectual, political, and religious diversity means that a student should never be penalized because of the opinions he or she holds that differ from a teacher's, and that all students should be made to feel comfortable in exercising their right to listen critically, to express and defend their views, and to challenge an instructor's opinions; and

WHEREAS, It is an inappropriate abuse of academic freedom to use the classroom or class assignments to provide students with only a single perspective on matters of opinion, or to regularly introduce controversial material which is substantially unrelated to the subject being studied, or to promote or oppose the election of a particular political candidate or party, or to advocate or oppose a particular political ideology or particular public policy position, or to ridicule or attempt to undermine the religious or moral beliefs of a student or the teachings of his or her parents; and

WHEREAS, Although the State of ______ has a legitimate oversight role in ensuring the quality of state-sponsored primary and secondary education, the individual schools, their duly elected school boards, and other local governing bodies, parent-teacher associations, and individual parents and students are in the best position to help develop and implement specific policies to safeguard the academic freedom of students and instructors; and

WHEREAS, It is in the interest of the citizens of the State of _______ to ensure that taxpayer-supported and state-sponsored primary and secondary educational institutions adequately protect the rights and academic freedoms of students and instructors and continue to provide a quality education to students;

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Senate of the State of _________, the House of Representatives concurring herein:

(1) That we, the members of the General Assembly of the State of ________, strongly encourage each state-supported institution of primary and secondary education to ensure that students will be graded solely on the basis of their reasoned answers and appropriate knowledge of the subjects and disciplines they study, and not on the basis of their political or religious beliefs.

(2) That instructors must not use their courses for the purpose of political, ideological, religious or anti-religious indoctrination, and that school premises will not be used to recruit students for partisan political activities or events. Instructors and school administrators are encouraged to remember that exposing students to a wide range of significant scholarly viewpoints on the subjects examined in their courses is a major responsibility of instructors. While instructors are and should be free to express their own findings and perspectives in presenting material in the classroom, they should present and make their students aware of other significant viewpoints, particularly on controversial or politically partisan matters, in a civil and respectful manner.

(3) That each state-supported institution of primary and secondary education is encouraged to review its course offerings, curriculum, and choice of textbooks, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, to ensure that they adequately reflect the uncertainty and unsettled character of human knowledge in these areas by providing students with dissenting sources and significant scholarly viewpoints where appropriate, and to ensure that a diversity of intellectual, political, and religious views will be respected.

(4) That each state-supported institution of primary and secondary education is encouraged to review its student rights and grievance procedures to ensure that intellectual, political and religious diversity is explicitly recognized and protected, and to ensure that rights and grievance procedures are adequately publicized to students. Each institution is further encouraged to ensure that the use of school resources and use of school district facilities by student groups and other extracurricular activities meet the standards articulated by the State Supreme Court and United States Supreme Court for an open forum that is fair to all viewpoints, and that the selection of speakers, speakers programs, and other student activities adequately observe the principles of academic freedom and promote intellectual pluralism.

(5) That parents and locally-elected school board officials are strongly encouraged to be vigilant and hold instructors and school administrators accountable for abuses of academic freedom, recognizing that it is their responsibility to protect the rights and interests of students and ensure the quality of education that students receive.

(6) That state and local officials in primary and secondary education are encouraged to meet periodically with the Education Committees of the Senate and the House of Representatives to discuss their on-going effort to ensure that the environment in elementary schools, middle schools, junior and senior high schools across the state is open and respectful to students of all religious, political, and intellectual viewpoints.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That a copy of this Joint Resolution be sent to the Governor, the Lieutenant Governor, the State Treasurer, the Secretary of State, and the State Attorney General; to the executive director of the Department of Primary and Secondary Education with the request that copies of this Joint Resolution be forwarded to each board member of the Department of Primary and Secondary Education; to the chairman of each primary and secondary education governing board in the state, including each school district board, with the request that copies of this Joint Resolution be forwarded to each principal of each state-supported institution of primary and secondary education in the state.

Signed,
PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SECRETARY OF THE SENATE

:eek: i hope you are not being serious....BERBERY..GRRR!

I'm not serious about burberry. I think patchy facial hair is much cooler.

By accident. American schools have been on a downward slide my entire life plus some. I was undereducated when I graduated HS in '91, but compared to most of the people coming out, my education was first-rate.

Check this:

Highschool Grads (recent) who can't read a ruler, add and subtract fractions, or handle decimal-conversion. This isn't just at work, this is in community college, doing 101 level work, I'm talking about. Us old farts sitting in the classroom because we're too many years from our own graduation, and the kids fresh-out-of High School are having problems with simple concepts that used to be taught in 7th grade...

In the workplace, it's worse, because these kids are picking up $9.50 an hour and I end up having to teach them basic math-skills on break so they don't get their asses fired for shoddy work (thus bringing in some other snot-nosed brat I have to train...)

and that is the good ones. the 'smart' ones who're supposed to be going to WSU and UW in the fall, kids.

In my state too many people thought earth science and chemistry was hard. So what did my state do?, they raised standards.

Before I continue, I will explain the normal definition of raising standards to my states.
To raise standards is to make something more difficult.
According to my state, it is to take out important chapters and give you reference tables. This is normally used to make people pass to make us seem smarter and the parents would re elect them.

They are also taking out math b since a lot of people are failing it. YOU GET TO USE A GRAPHING CALCULATOR WHICH IS PROGRAMMABLE. You can program almost anything into it, the quadratic equation, make it tell you how to do it if you use the show or similar option while programming it if you do it before hand.
Math a is being taken out.
More too come. In ten years I predict, no foreign languages, Ap counting past three by integers starting at zero. English is changed to gibberish and others.

Last year some kid brought in alchol and a sercurity guard found out and took the bottle without a suspension.

They are also taking out math b since a lot of people are failing it. YOU GET TO USE A GRAPHING CALCULATOR WHICH IS PROGRAMMABLE. You can program almost anything into it, the quadratic equation, make it tell you how to do it if you use the show or similar option while programming it if you do it before hand.

No you can't! Your school is obviviously doing something wrong, as teachers are supposed to reset the memory on all calucators just before the test is given. Meaning no programs survive.

In my state too many people thought earth science and chemistry was hard. So what did my state do?, they raised standards.

Before I continue, I will explain the normal definition of raising standards to my states.
To raise standards is to make something more difficult.
According to my state, it is to take out important chapters and give you reference tables. This is normally used to make people pass to make us seem smarter and the parents would re elect them.

They are also taking out math b since a lot of people are failing it. YOU GET TO USE A GRAPHING CALCULATOR WHICH IS PROGRAMMABLE. You can program almost anything into it, the quadratic equation, make it tell you how to do it if you use the show or similar option while programming it if you do it before hand.
Math a is being taken out.
More too come. In ten years I predict, no foreign languages, Ap counting past three by integers starting at zero. English is changed to gibberish and others.

I wish I could say you are talking bollocks. However, from what I've heard this seems to be correct.

No you can't! Your school is obviviously doing something wrong, as teachers are supposed to reset the memory on all calucators just before the test is given. Meaning no programs survive.
these're the same teachers that can't programme their VCR's, right?

these're the same teachers that can't programme their VCR's, right?

To be fair, nobody can do that.

these're the same teachers that can't programme their VCR's, right?

Well, that's the problem with your school. You must not have a computer science course either, I assume? :)

Off-Topic:

My political party on NS supports Student Rights: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=424570

Don't forget the Japenese blender:

Not to be used for the other use.

Or on the base of a cake box:

Don't turn upside down.

CD Player: Do not use in a catapult
Sunscreen: Do not use in throat or mouth

My neighbor and his friends brought in some kind of alcholhic beverage into school disquised as water bottles and guess what, we couldnt use water bottles any more (they were found out).

We dld that when we deployed for Desert Shield/Storm. Didn't get in trouble, just had to share.

CD Player: Do not use in a catapult
Sunscreen: Do not use in throat or mouth

Why am I no longer surprised?

Don't knock mopeds. They make you look incredibly cool, like burberry.

Our school got a delivery of the latest edition of oxford english. "Chavtastic" is a real word. I wonder how long until "POOSeyole" makes it. And yes, they really do say POOS with a mumble for the rest of the insult.

but yes, i mean, there are people on our school site (which sprawls and has too many nooks and cranyes) who smoke all the time. they have lighters or matches! oh no! well, smoking is a dumb idea, but a lighter? come on, they have trouble burning bumblebees (my friend is a pyro and has tried, repeatedly, to make me one) I guess this means, because we've been near fires and not tried to extinguish them, even though there was a grate and hearth involved, we are terrorists determined to... uhm... yeah. We're determined to tear apart the U.K. by making students have pyrophobia so they decide they'd rather be cold. and then, after generations, a fimple beam of sunlight will roast them! yes, al-quaeda are going to use a giant magnif- no, i've said too much.

SEPPUKU! wait, i need a katana for that... DAMN YOU, ZERO-TOLERANCE! you made me not kill myself and now i can continue to be a terrorist!


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Originally Posted by The Great Sixth Reich
No you can't! Your school is obviviously doing something wrong, as teachers are supposed to reset the memory on all calucators just before the test is given. Meaning no programs survive.

Well, here we can take in our own calculators, but not with graffiti. And here, the invigilators are just teachers from any subject and/or Learning support teachers (who don't need any teaching qualification in a certain subject). So chances are you know which teachers can and can't tell if you're cheating, and, they're rteally looking for mobiles, communication (purposefully making someone else aware you're in the room) and notes, not a calculator.
None of this reset all school calculators, nor giving out calculators. How're you meant to figure a thing where you don't know the button layout? and the cost of a graphic calculator per student?

As my I.T. teacher says "If you can figure a way around websense, you can do what you like". If someone knows a shortcut, they'll use it, not tell people about it!

Our school got a delivery of the latest edition of oxford english. "Chavtastic" is a real word. I wonder how long until "POOSeyole" makes it. And yes, they really do say POOS with a mumble for the rest of the insult.

but yes, i mean, there are people on our school site (which sprawls and has too many nooks and cranyes) who smoke all the time. they have lighters or matches! oh no! well, smoking is a dumb idea, but a lighter? come on, they have trouble burning bumblebees (my friend is a pyro and has tried, repeatedly, to make me one) I guess this means, because we've been near fires and not tried to extinguish them, even though there was a grate and hearth involved, we are terrorists determined to... uhm... yeah. We're determined to tear apart the U.K. by making students have pyrophobia so they decide they'd rather be cold. and then, after generations, a fimple beam of sunlight will roast them! yes, al-quaeda are going to use a giant magnif- no, i've said too much.

SEPPUKU! wait, i need a katana for that... DAMN YOU, ZERO-TOLERANCE! you made me not kill myself and now i can continue to be a terrorist!


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I have a friend like you. He rambles like that a lot. We call it his "thing". Are you that friend? Do you have Lucozade moments?

Our school got a delivery of the latest edition of oxford english. "Chavtastic" is a real word. I wonder how long until "POOSeyole" makes it. And yes, they really do say POOS with a mumble for the rest of the insult.

but yes, i mean, there are people on our school site (which sprawls and has too many nooks and cranyes) who smoke all the time. they have lighters or matches! oh no! well, smoking is a dumb idea, but a lighter? come on, they have trouble burning bumblebees (my friend is a pyro and has tried, repeatedly, to make me one) I guess this means, because we've been near fires and not tried to extinguish them, even though there was a grate and hearth involved, we are terrorists determined to... uhm... yeah. We're determined to tear apart the U.K. by making students have pyrophobia so they decide they'd rather be cold. and then, after generations, a fimple beam of sunlight will roast them! yes, al-quaeda are going to use a giant magnif- no, i've said too much.

SEPPUKU! wait, i need a katana for that... DAMN YOU, ZERO-TOLERANCE! you made me not kill myself and now i can continue to be a terrorist!

Don't forget planning to use rifles to slowly poke people to death.

By accident. American schools have been on a downward slide my entire life plus some. I was undereducated when I graduated HS in '91, but compared to most of the people coming out, my education was first-rate.

Check this:

Highschool Grads (recent) who can't read a ruler, add and subtract fractions, or handle decimal-conversion. This isn't just at work, this is in community college, doing 101 level work, I'm talking about. Us old farts sitting in the classroom because we're too many years from our own graduation, and the kids fresh-out-of High School are having problems with simple concepts that used to be taught in 7th grade...

In the workplace, it's worse, because these kids are picking up $9.50 an hour and I end up having to teach them basic math-skills on break so they don't get their asses fired for shoddy work (thus bringing in some other snot-nosed brat I have to train...)

and that is the good ones. the 'smart' ones who're supposed to be going to WSU and UW in the fall, kids.
Oh bullcrap, I can do all that you've asked (and divide by a fraction, which seems to excape most of my peers) and I'll have problems getting into UVA (which is where I'd like to go). I very much so doubt that people going into the University of Washington have problems doing that.

While Canada is moderately better for education than the US, I can give you a really nice horror story that'll make the US system look sane.

In the 90s, the province of Ontario elected a Tory government, headed by Mike Harris, who was working off his campaign promise of: Common Sense Revolution.

He cut so much spending that our hospitals were forced to cut on the number of beds that they had, waiting lists grew, and healthcare took a hit.

Then he took his knife to education.

He slashed spending across the board.

He forced school boards to algomate.

He introduced a very strict zero tolerance policy (I never saaw most of its effects, but from what I gathered, it was damn strict; we couldn't even indirectly swear in the presence of a teacher - in secondary school!)

So, if you were with your friends, a teacher could give you a warning or send you to the principal's office if you were caught doing that.

And yet, at my high school, they had a section for the smokers, even though there was no smoker on school grounds.

He introduced more standardised testing - grade 3, grade 6, grade 9.

The test in grade 9 was not only mandatory to take, but so was passing. If you didn't pass the grade 9 Literary test you were not allowed to graduate from high school even if you got outstanding marks in everything else!

So, then in addition to the literary test, students are also expected to do 40 hours of community service in addition to the schoolwork and it had to be at services that the school had picked. (Don't mind me - but this doesn't make someone a better citizen, this is just the province getting slave labour).

I was lucky, this didn't affect my class, so I was 2 years ahead of this.

He then cut grade 13 (OAC). This left a whole bunch of the students in the double-cohert not only struggling against extra competition to get into a post-secondary institution, but left those who only had up to grade 12 feeling very unprepared for university. OAC was pretty much geared to be a year that was designed for students going to university - it was always optional.

Now many grade 12 students aren't leaving school right away, some are staying on another year because they feel that they aren't prepared yet.

He then introduced a program that raised the standards bar.

All schools were expected to, despite massive cuts, to teach all the same mandatory classes, carry the same text books, which they might nary be able to afford due to cutbacks.

There was then a mandatory career/civics course that all students were expected to take (those who were in grade 9 when it was introduced as it was a grade 10 course split into two smaller classes).

We then also had to go, once a week to a TS class, which was supposedly for teachers to meet with students and help them plan their course goals and meet their objectives.

I know when I did it, I always skipped it because I was in OAC and it wasn't even mandatory for us, despite that they always took attendance and it was on our timetable.

It was so bad that even those who HAD to go made a joke out of it, no one took it seriously, even though it was mandatory (almost as bad as mentoring class in grade 7 and 8 - what a bloody waste of time!)

So, the new "cirriculum" that was brought in for high school proved to be too hard in some areas and dropout rates, due to grade 9 math actually increased in some cases.

And now, under the new government, they're slashing the requirements for math so much that they have gone the other way and have actually removed the important stuff, citing that not all students are going to university and not all of the students going for a post-secondary education won't need math.

Even before the dumbing down and massive province-wide changes happened, I remember in grade 9 being given a novel that was so simple that it should've been a grade 6 book at the most. Cue For Treason... Terrible! And yet, I had studied The Crysalids in grade 8 English - on my own time because the assigned novel was too easy.

Shows what extensive slashing does.

And yes, the Canadian system does have an untolerant Zero Tolerance Policy, and it at times mollycoddles the students too much at times.

While Canada is moderately better for education than the US, I can give you a really nice horror story that'll make the US system look sane...

Ultimate Snippage!


...And yes, the Canadian system does have an untolerant Zero Tolerance Policy, and it at times mollycoddles the students too much at times.

My condolences.

Is that arsewipe still in?

Yea, which is stupid. At 18 you can smoke, vote and do almost every legal thing but drink.

Japan the age is 20
Aruba is apparently 18
In most of Europe the drinking age is either 18 or 16.

My condolences.

Is that arsewipe still in?
No, we got a new twit - Dalton McQuinty (yes, this IS a man) and the Liberals. They're just as inept and they're the ones who CUT math...

Howard Hampton and the provincial NDP are the only sane choice...which people didn't take.

In most of Europe the drinking age is either 18 or 16.

But of course many European countries have 14 year olds drinking.
*cough* Britain *cough*

It's legal from age 5 or so as long as your parents get it and supervise you. Underage drinking isn't hard with the right friends or the odd fake ID.

Where the hell are you people from, for crying out loud? Nothing this idiotic seems to happen here. :(

Highschool Grads (recent) who can't read a ruler, add and subtract fractions, or handle decimal-conversion. This isn't just at work, this is in community college, doing 101 level work, I'm talking about. Us old farts sitting in the classroom because we're too many years from our own graduation, and the kids fresh-out-of High School are having problems with simple concepts that used to be taught in 7th grade...
wow...

seriously..

just .... jesus christ

wtf is with those shit schools?

Where the hell are you people from, for crying out loud? Nothing this idiotic seems to happen here. :(

Are you refering to PETA or underage drinking?

Where the hell are you people from, for crying out loud? Nothing this idiotic seems to happen here. :(

That's because you are in a good 'ol Red state. ;)

I guess I am lucky at my school. They frown upon not being creative and critasise the public school system on a regular basis. I even talk politics with the teachers.

That's because you are in a good 'ol Red state. ;)Yeah, right, like these things aren't happening in the good ole red stares of Texas and Oklahoma.

While Canada is moderately better for education than the US, I can give you a really nice horror story that'll make the US system look sane.


He slashed spending across the board.

He forced school boards to algomate.


He then introduced a program that raised the standards bar.

All schools were expected to, despite massive cuts, to teach all the same mandatory classes, carry the same text books, which they might nary be able to afford due to cutbacks.

And now, under the new government, they're slashing the requirements for math so much that they have gone the other way and have actually removed the important stuff, citing that not all students are going to university and not all of the students going for a post-secondary education won't need math.

Shows what extensive slashing does.

Massive snippage.

Are you sure that's not the "No Child Left Behind" bullshit? Sounds suspiciously like Dubya.

Last year some kid brought in alchol and a sercurity guard found out and took the bottle without a suspension.


The Security Guard was probably being a nice sort. If he took it without reporting it he may have done so in order to save the student the grief of screwing up his schooling with a suspension. Sure he probably took the alcohol for himself, but the student got saved from their own stupidity.

What I wanna know though, is how anyone can be stupid enough to think you can hide alcohol and the drunkeness that goes with it. The shit stinks and turns your average teenager into a complete ass. Kinda easy to spot.

ANd WTF? A Security Guard at school. Where is your school? Compton or

I was once suspended for putting up poster criticising all Students Council President Candidates during the student election. May have had something to do with the multiple choice about what each candidate had in common All nominations that year had to be approved by the Administration: they vetoed to nominations of 3 candidates, leaving us with only 3 candidates, all 3 hand picked by the Principal and his staff, all straight laced, obedient clones from very wealthy backgrounds One of the options I gave was d) they all enjoy having anal sex with small shrimp like creatures.

I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the friend of one of the candidates, who happened upon me putting up the posters early one morning in the school. The bastard turned me in. I got suspended for a week, during which time the elections took place). They were going to make me apologize to everyone using the school intercom but when my drama teacher heard about it he smart enough to call the office and explain why giving a microphone linked to every room and hall of the school and schoolgrounds was a BAD idea on their part. Bastard!

I had been 5 minutes away from saying "I'm sorry that I put up posters alleging the student council elecations are rigged. Telling you something you already know is an inconsiderate waste of everyones time. I am deeply sorry."

In the end, one of the remaining canditates withdrew, and the remaining 2 miraculously recieved exactly the same amount of votes (as if!) and were declared Co-President.

I had the opportunity to pay back the bastard who ratted me out a few years later. I was an eyewitness at his trial for an armed bankrobbery he committed with a bunch of other rich kids who had hit upon the idea of using crime to pay for their drug habits.

So you see, Zero-Tolerance pays because it leads to such neanderthals as the goof who turned me in AND went to jail for being stupid.

Are you refering to PETA or underage drinking?
Neither. I'm refering to the original post. Remember that? :)

Neither. I'm refering to the original post. Remember that? :)
Forrest, we have the same sort of Zero-Tolerance, Zero-Intelligence laws in Georgia. Every year, there are a couple cases of kids that are suspended for pointing a chicken finger at another and saying "pow". Right before the high school graduations started in May, there was a girl that was suspended for having a knife in school. Turns out it was a butter knife, or table knife that the band teacher brought in to cut a cake. Kid found it in the band room, brought it to the band teacher to cut the cake, teacher flips and has the kid suspended. WTF is going on? I don't know, either, just that the idiots seem to be winning.

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I have a friend like you. He rambles like that a lot. We call it his "thing". Are you that friend? Do you have Lucozade moments?

no, lucozade isn't good. I prefer sugar in pure form, snorted from fairy cakes.

I'm probably not, but i see the similarity.

The Security Guard was probably being a nice sort. If he took it without reporting it he may have done so in order to save the student the grief of screwing up his schooling with a suspension. Sure he probably took the alcohol for himself, but the student got saved from their own stupidity.

What I wanna know though, is how anyone can be stupid enough to think you can hide alcohol and the drunkeness that goes with it. The shit stinks and turns your average teenager into a complete ass. Kinda easy to spot.

ANd WTF? A Security Guard at school. Where is your school? Compton or

I was once suspended for putting up poster criticising all Students Council President Candidates during the student election. May have had something to do with the multiple choice about what each candidate had in common All nominations that year had to be approved by the Administration: they vetoed to nominations of 3 candidates, leaving us with only 3 candidates, all 3 hand picked by the Principal and his staff, all straight laced, obedient clones from very wealthy backgrounds One of the options I gave was d) they all enjoy having anal sex with small shrimp like creatures.

I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for the friend of one of the candidates, who happened upon me putting up the posters early one morning in the school. The bastard turned me in. I got suspended for a week, during which time the elections took place). They were going to make me apologize to everyone using the school intercom but when my drama teacher heard about it he smart enough to call the office and explain why giving a microphone linked to every room and hall of the school and schoolgrounds was a BAD idea on their part. Bastard!

I had been 5 minutes away from saying "I'm sorry that I put up posters alleging the student council elecations are rigged. Telling you something you already know is an inconsiderate waste of everyones time. I am deeply sorry."

In the end, one of the remaining canditates withdrew, and the remaining 2 miraculously recieved exactly the same amount of votes (as if!) and were declared Co-President.

I had the opportunity to pay back the bastard who ratted me out a few years later. I was an eyewitness at his trial for an armed bankrobbery he committed with a bunch of other rich kids who had hit upon the idea of using crime to pay for their drug habits.

So you see, Zero-Tolerance pays because it leads to such neanderthals as the goof who turned me in AND went to jail for being stupid.
Milwaukee public schools have security guards in all middle schools and high schools and they can be bribed very easily.