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Saw this poster on the train today. Big Brother wants us all to watch out and inform.

http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg

Back to the Cold War, Reds under the Bed.

Saw this poster on the train today. Big Brother wants us all to watch out and inform.

http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg

Well I think it is the red backdrop that made you draw the connection. But really, if you look at it closely it is more CCC art in it's style than USSR.

That said, they probably shouldn't have gone with the red.

Isn't the style of that poster reminiscent of Stalin-period Soviet posters?

Well I think it is the red backdrop that made you draw the connection. But really, if you look at it closely it is more CCC art in it's style than USSR.

That said, they probably shouldn't have gone with the red.
They probably want people to be on red alert.

The slogan "Watch, Ride, and REPORT" is rather chilling. :confused:

Wow.

Seriously.

Very poor taste.

But since no one seems to learn anything from history, why not go ahead and recycle it, and its propoganda? :D

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That's just scary.
Communist Poster (http://www.internationalposter.com/wdetail.cfm?ImageName=GEL07888)

They also bear a resemblence to the WW2 era Nazi and SS recruiting posters. The strong facial lines plus all white dudes/chicks has that whole "superior race/true patriot" feel to it.

If this is serious, this is fucked up to the max. I mean, who looked at this and thought it was appropriate in a free state/republic?

Well I think it is the red backdrop that made you draw the connection. But really, if you look at it closely it is more CCC art in it's style than USSR. That said, they probably shouldn't have gone with the red.
IIRC the US artist that popularized that particular style of art (and was used by the CCC - a rather Socialist programme) was a Communist Party Member that did mucho work for the Communist Party at large before they took over from Germany as the main Rivals to the US...

They also bear a resemblence to the WW2 era Nazi and SS recruiting posters. The strong facial lines plus all white dudes/chicks has that whole "superior race/true patriot" feel to it.

It's a type of art, I can't remember the name, but it would be like, say Manga, they all share visual elements that make them instantly recognisable as such. It was used very much by both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany propagandists precisely because of their striking lines and dramatism.


If this is serious, this is fucked up to the max. I mean, who looked at this and thought it was appropriate in a free state/republic?
It is. Specially the caption. Are they going to start giving out medals for turning in your parents?

There's a corporate poster in that style at work.
I hope it's doesn't catch on.

The graphic designer thought it was a stupid project; this is their way of being ironic.

It's a type of art, I can't remember the name, but it would be like, say Manga, they all share visual elements that make them instantly recognisable as such. It was used very much by both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany propagandists precisely because of their striking lines and dramatism.


It is. Specially the caption. Are they going to start giving out medals for turning in your parents?


:) money would be better.

IIRC the US artist that popularized that particular style of art (and was used by the CCC - a rather Socialist programme) was a Communist Party Member that did mucho work for the Communist Party at large before they took over from Germany as the main Rivals to the US...

It's almost very socialist. (Except for the dude in the tie). But I look at it, and I see US public works project in the 30s. Stalin era stuff tended to be more realist and have less stylized characters. (I suppose it was one of the many points where he agreed with Hitler.)

The Soviet purges of artists starting in the late twenties made people I little more cautious in their choices I suppose.

report any "unusual activities", eh? what, like having long hair or wearing a politically charged tshirt? :rolleyes:

this could lead to some bad places

Well, I've always wondered what to report.

We keep hearing public service announcements to "report suspicious activity".

Hmm. Well, what may be suspicious to me would not be suspicious at all to others.

What nation most needs chefs and accountants? My husband and I need to apply for Visas!

(Tongue-in-cheek, although those ads are frightening, in poor taste and really dash any hopes I had that my paranoia about "Big Brother" really was paranoia.)

It's very much a 30's style poster. Hitler (forget Godwins here, it's a valid example) used a very similar style to depict the 'Deutches Arbeiter'. Lenin and Stalin had this sort of style as well. I guess it's meant to appeal to the working classes. Put a suit and tie on it and it's for the white-collars instead.

Seriously, these old Soviet propaganda posters scare the hell out of one. Did their artists have really no taste for esthetics? :confused:

It's a type of art, I can't remember the name, but it would be like, say Manga, they all share visual elements that make them instantly recognisable as such. It was used very much by both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany propagandists precisely because of their striking lines and dramatism.

Constructivist art, I think.

Seriously, these old Soviet propaganda posters scare the hell out of one. Did their artists have really no taste for esthetics? :confused:

Not after they were liquidated or re-educated.

Not after they were liquidated or re-educated.

Oh ok... that's a good point... :eek:

US Turning into Old USSR?

No.

It's very much a 30's style poster. Hitler (forget Godwins here, it's a valid example) used a very similar style to depict the 'Deutches Arbeiter'. Lenin and Stalin had this sort of style as well. I guess it's meant to appeal to the working classes. Put a suit and tie on it and it's for the white-collars instead.

And that neat slogan, eh?

The first letters on that message part can be arranged to spell out "UN Actor."

Hidden message? Perhaps. Coincidence? I think not.

Well, I've always wondered what to report.

We keep hearing public service announcements to "report suspicious activity".

Hmm. Well, what may be suspicious to me would not be suspicious at all to others.
oh dear :(


you'll be hearing them on the tannoy next, while CCTV in every town tracks 'suspicious' looking people...

Saw this poster on the train today. Big Brother wants us all to watch out and inform.

http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg

I'm of the opinion that it has more to do w/ someone w/ a message and a good printing service than the Gov't. Have you seen more of these around or was this just a one shot?

Also, just what is it that guy in the foreground is holding in his hand? Some sort of bludgeoning weapon perhaps?

Now you mention it the black guy looks lie he's holding a quarterstaff or something too.

I'm of the opinion that it has more to do w/ someone w/ a message and a good printing service than the Gov't. Have you seen more of these around or was this just a one shot?

All over the MARC rail trains. There are similar, but not identical, posters appearing on the DC METRO.

The first letters on that message part can be arranged to spell out "UN Actor."

Hidden message? Perhaps. Coincidence? I think not.

This is their first attempts at desensitizing you (us) to the socialist state stereotypes. It is necessary if they wish to pull off "One World Rule"
Don't let em talk you out of your guns folks. There's gonna be one hell of a shootin match in the next 20 years or so.

Liverbreath']This is their first attempts at desensitizing you (us) to the socialist state stereotypes. It is necessary if they wish to pull off "One World Rule"
Don't let em talk you out of your guns folks. There's gonna be one hell of a shootin match in the next 20 years or so.

You sound like Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove. "Damn Commies!" :rolleyes:

They *are* after our precious bodily fluids, folks. Make no mistake about that.

Here is my bet. Whoever designed that poster ripped it off from some WPA syphilis poster, changed the colors and the slogan, and changed the two dudes in the back to a woman and a black guy.

"Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?"

I'm waiting for the news story where the Arab kid turns in his al-Qaeda parents.

Oh, that's already happened.

That guy who was charged with lying to the FBI has ratted out himself and his own father.

He's admitted getting the al-Q training, and has implicated his father.

You sound like Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove. "Damn Commies!" :rolleyes:

And you sound like ripe pickings. This isnt a communist or capitalist thing. This is real and it's happening right under your nose. The intent is a marriage of communism and capitalism for one world socialst society rule by a body of the world richest and most powerful individuals.

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How do you 'marry' communism and capitalism, seeing as they are diametrically opposed?

Do you have a classless, but class, society? Do you have a state, but no state?

You are a lunatic.

How do you 'marry' communism and capitalism, seeing as they are diametrically opposed?

Do you have a classless, but class, society? Do you have a state, but no state?

You are a lunatic.

National Socialism.

:headbang:

Do you people still think Nazi Germany was in any way 'socialist', or 'communist'? :D

"But...but...it says 'socialism' in it"

:headbang:

Do you people still think Nazi Germany was in any way 'socialist', or 'communist'? :D

"But...but...it says 'socialism' in it"

Remotely, it could be considered a form of mixed market socialism.

I'm getting a weird feeling right now.

Sort of a Hitler/Stalin sensation....

detention camps....

world war...

turn in your neighbors...

How do you 'marry' communism and capitalism, seeing as they are diametrically opposed?

Do you have a classless, but class, society? Do you have a state, but no state?

You are a lunatic.

And you sir are a narrow minded idiot with no vision or ability to find out what is going on around you. You will be easy to turn with those blinders on.

Seriously, these old Soviet propaganda posters scare the hell out of one. Did their artists have really no taste for esthetics? :confused:
What? I think those are one of the best posters ever made. Aesthetically.

Ever heard of Soviet movie directors or painters from that era?

I'm getting a weird feeling right now.

Sort of a Hitler/Stalin sensation....

detention camps....

world war...

turn in your neighbors...

From a poster? (and an indifferent one to boot).

Remotely, it could be considered a form of mixed market socialism.

So please enlighten me. Which of Marx's ideas (seeing as he was the father of communism) were implemented by Hitler?

The other poster - concentration camps, one-party state etc are similarities. But that shows you that fascism and Soviet-styled state-capitalism are equally oppressive. It says nothing about the economic structure of society.

So please enlighten me. Which of Marx's ideas (seeing as he was the father of communism) were implemented by Hitler?

The other poster - concentration camps, one-party state etc are similarities. But that shows you that fascism and Soviet-styled state-capitalism are equally oppressive. It says nothing about the economic structure of society.

He didn't implement Communism, but Hitler did have limited state control of major industries in the same way you would see in a mixed market socialist country. He definitely had such economic control to a greater degree than you see in any other mixed market socialist nation.

its my opinion that that poster is quite purposefully being ironic. No-one could make a public service poster thats so obviously reminiscent of Communist art by accident.

He didn't implement Communism, but Hitler did have limited state control of major industries in the same way you would see in a mixed market socialist country. He definitely had such economic control to a greater degree than you see in any other mixed market socialist nation.

I would agree that Nazi Germany was state-managed to an extent, but that doesn't make something socialist. Communism is about abolishing the state, not strengthening it. Socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state.

A slogan I hear a lot around here, surprisingly in a Soviet propaganda poster
http://www.iisg.nl/exhibitions/chairman/sov02.html
(hilarious picture)

"who are you, with them or us?" -from Soviet poster
http://www.internationalposter.com/query-h.cfm?startpage=2&itemsperpage=15&NavBarTitle=PosterFinder+%3A+Country+%26+Period+%3A+Bolshevik+Era&Period=Bol&Country=RU&ResultsFormat=thumbnail&SortResults=Year&SubjectSearchCriteria=

Also, just what is it that guy in the foreground is holding in his hand? Some sort of bludgeoning weapon perhaps?


Guy in front looks like he's gripping one of the handles on a subway train you hold on to, same with black guy in back.. looks like he's just got his hand around one of the poles.

If there is hope, it is in poles?

No that doesnt sound right.

The slogan "Watch, Ride, and REPORT" is rather chilling. :confused:
But the message isn't. I look over the passengers with whom I'm about to share an airplane ride. Don't you?

But the message isn't. I look over the passengers with whom I'm about to share an airplane ride. Don't you?

Not really. OK so I don't do much air travel but paranoia isn't fun. If I see someone acting odd enough to stick ou I'll keep an eye on them but since almost 100% of air-travellers bear me and the countries I will be travelling in/near no particular ill-will, certainly not enough to see us repeating 9-11 or whoever was last fool enough to try ransoming a jetliner I really don't tend to be fussed.

It's the airframe that worries me.

But the message isn't. I look over the passengers with whom I'm about to share an airplane ride. Don't you?
No. I don't think that people who are planning to something are going to show it to others. What you look for? Suspicious people? What makes them suspicious? height? weight? sex? facial hair?

No. I don't think that people who are planning to something are going to show it to others. What you look for? Suspicious people? What makes them suspicious? height? weight? sex? facial hair?
Three or four young Arab-looking men sitting together in the gate would be suspicious. Maybe not even together. Unless I was going to Saudi-Arabia.

um... i know this is sort of off topic, but in grocery stores under the music they have subliminal messages that say don't steal. Pretty freaky if you ask me.

Three or four young Arab-looking men sitting together in the gate would be suspicious. Maybe not even together. Unless I was going to Saudi-Arabia.
And you don't trust that they are the ones most carefully checked before entering the plane?

Three or four young Arab-looking men sitting together in the gate would be suspicious. Maybe not even together. Unless I was going to Saudi-Arabia.
Also unless you were flying in Europe. :rolleyes:

Presumably this applies to riding on a train or bus as well. About 90% of the people in the neighbourhood outside my window are dark, swarthy, middle-eastern types.

Better walk and avoid the main roads, LOL.

And you don't trust that they are the ones most carefully checked before entering the plane?

Actually they are not. Federal law prohibits that.

How do you 'marry' communism and capitalism, seeing as they are diametrically opposed?

Do you have a classless, but class, society? Do you have a state, but no state?

You are a lunatic.
That's the good thing about tyranny. It goes with everything.

He didn't implement Communism, but Hitler did have limited state control of major industries in the same way you would see in a mixed market socialist country. He definitely had such economic control to a greater degree than you see in any other mixed market socialist nation.
Well, without government contracts and subsidies some companies in the West would totally collapse, that doesn't make them mixed economies necessarily.

But the message isn't. I look over the passengers with whom I'm about to share an airplane ride. Don't you?
I'm not one to rely on the authorities to do the right thing if I see something happenning and I "report" it.

If I see someone doing something I think is imminently dangerous, or part of what I believe to be an imminent attack, I'm going to hurt somebody.

Then I'll report it.

Just sitting there like a cow waiting to be sent up the chute is stupid, IMHO.

How quaint... the poster has forced me to remember my childhood. :)

How quaint... the poster has forced me to remember my childhood. :)
I thought you might like it.

Pretty soon, we'll be up at midnight, painting the street black in anticipation of a visit by the President in the morning.

I thought you might like it.

Pretty soon, we'll be up at midnight, painting the street black in anticipation of a visit by the President in the morning.
Mu mother used to go to a movie theatre, which occupied an old church, back in the Sixies. In 1972 that cinema-church was demplished overnigt just before Nixon's visit, the government having decided that there were too much church-like buildings for the US president to see from the window of his car.

The church was rebuilt in 1998, though, and there is no showing of movie pictures, of course. :)

Ok... forgive me having read the last few pages of replies (I'm so lazy today that I only read page one...

But that is a joke, right? Someone just made that up to make an amusing post out of.

Ok... forgive me having read the last few pages of replies (I'm so lazy today that I only read page one...

But that is a joke, right? Someone just made that up to make an amusing post out of.

No, it's a real poster, on a real maryland government website.

And I've seen the poster on the train many times now.

No, it's a real poster, on a real maryland government website.

And I've seen the poster on the train many times now.


Wow....They do look so communist you'd think somebody'd have noticed sooner and kicked up a wee stink about it. Ah well.

I've seen US posters from WW1 and WW2 as well and they look similar. All those types of posters look similar, from any country during that time period, except US ones usually have blue backgrounds with white stars. This one with the red background does look more Communist. It hasa good message though. I would feel a little uneasy if I saw a random bag lying aroundin an odd place.

The thing that most interests me about this poster is that you don't see that style much these days.

well i am from a former USSR country and i live in USA now, but if i seen that poster on the street thats exsacly what i would think too

Did the USSR ever pretend to care about the lives of it's citizens? I don't think so. While I'm not saying that the US Government always has it's citizens best interests in mind when tearing away at political freedoms and expanding it's ability to track it's people, you do have to give them credit (albeit very little) for supporting unimaginative government workers with taxpayer's money and for their subtlety in which they have done this. It's almost (I use almost in the strongest sense) as if what they (the US Government) was waiting for was an attack such as Sept 11. It can be paralleled to (bear with me here) Star Wars: Episode III, Revenge of the Sith. The government is carrying on a war and constantly enacting new laws to "bring about the enemy's swift destruction." The war with no end in sight. Now, I'm not saying what the US is doing is wrong, but maybe old George was trying to send a message with his latest production.

On the subject of new government agencies and reorganizations... The Department of Homeland Security.

www.ready.gov

What good is most of this information? I find it a good laugh, especially the "Be Informed About What Might Happen" section that details what one should do in the event of a biological/chemical/radiation threat, explosions, nuclear blast, and natural disasters. If you read these sections, you'll see what I mean.

So remember, Watch, Ride, and Report

I would feel a little uneasy if I saw a random bag lying aroundin an odd place.
.

I'd think "I'm having that" :D

Honestly, no place on a train or bus would surprise me these days. Maybe I'm just hardened.

It does look very much like a USSR poster. They must not have paid attention to what they were drawing.

It's this kinda crap that leads to motherfuckers spendin' thier entire BART ride trying to get a picture of me with thier damn camera phone because I have boxes with me and a beard. (I had a video camera in the box, I felt like whiping it out and aiming it at the dude yelling, "How do you like it, champ? Yeah, kinda uncomfortable, isn't it? Fucker. At least be subtle ya turtleneck wearin' ass..."

Or the guy who turned to me in a grocery store and said, "You know, they're shootin' people with beards now." If I was anymore cracker I'd have to be called Saltine. And yet this bitch...it's not even Middle Easterners, it's anyone with a fuckin' beard.

I scoffed when a friend said this a while ago, but I'm starting to think he's right-people can't wait to be nazis.

Well, except that the vast majority of you, including the pro-Bush WL are actually appauled at this. That sort of deflates it, but anyway....

Well, except that the vast majority of you, including the pro-Bush WL are actually appauled at this. That sort of deflates it, but anyway....

I'm not pro-Bush. I like some, but not all, of the things he does.

Thanks for painting with a brush as wide as the street.

I'm not pro-Bush. I like some, but not all, of the things he does.

Thanks for painting with a brush as wide as the street.
Can't even toss a guy a bone...

Conductor? You mean commissar, silly.

All aboard!
http://www.be.wvu.edu/divecon/econ/trumbull/Soviet/train6.jpg

This was on my freinds's blog, and i've seen it in the news, apparently they attached this as a rider to some other important bill so it would get passed, but this is his eassy thing on the new ID system in the USA, which is basically a card with all information about you on it

It's not enough that the America Public has been cheated out time and time again by Congress and it's obsession for money. After all, Americans who elect their representatives and senators must pay 80% of all taxes, while the corporations who give them money for their "campaigns" only have to pay 20%.

But the line stops here.

The Real ID bill, recently passed by being attached to the back of an Iraq War Supplement bill (read: It was pork) has started the process of complete and utter civil rights removal. From this point on America's core values are now dead.

Great job, you conservatives, for destroying America.

Why was this bill passed with a 100-0 vote? Because they attached it to a completely unrelated war bill that was necessary AND would make the senators look bad if they didn't vote for it. Strategic maneuvering by conservative lawmakers has finally done what they've always wanted to do: Track each and every single person within the United States whereever they are at any given time.

Big Brother is Watching You.

The bill is supposed to stop illegal immigrants AND terrorists, but accomplishes neither. Why would terrorists try to register with authorities in the first place? Would they want to get caught? Just because you pass such a bill doesn't mean that they are going to comply, register, and then suddenly get caught. It especially doesn't stop Timothy McVeigh type terrorists, those who suddenly go mad and decide to bomb buildings. So what does it do? Screw over every single person living in the United States.

Before you are allowed to travel, open bank accounts, apply for work, or anything important, you will have to show this ID card. Not only that, but the bill allows a provision that grants Congress the ability to overrule the Supreme Court at anytime.

For the sake of dignity, it might be too late to stop them. But do whatever you can. Nobody in America can live with this bill. We would have created the new Soviet Union.

Message to Congress: Stop it. Now.

i admit he's very anti-conservative, but it still makes a point about this whole, USSR and USA comparison thing

No.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This is the same pattern always seen when a dictatorship begins its rise to power. Brushing it off as paranoia, saying "No, it will never happen", is foolhardy.