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apparently there is a group of people out there that believe the earth is not round and is in fact flat yes flat... apparently the bible makes reference to it being flat or they simply think its a massive conspiricy, its really quite laughable. If your a believer in the Flat Earth ideal I hope you go see someone who can help you...

Heres some links, Read them they are so funny....

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/crea-fe.htm



I personally think the first and third are the most hilairous, I added the wiki so you can get more information, why your there go learn something and look up ahh i don't know lets say William mckinley......

EnJoy!

Thinking we could ever defeat the forces of idiocy with little things like science and reason was, and is, as foolish as thinking one could defeat the forces of terrorism through war.

It seems that stupidity and conservative religion tend to bond together very well. If it were affordable, it would be amusing to take these people into higher earth orbit and push them out the airlock.

Yes but maybe it should be the other way around, destory the idiots with war and kill the terrorist with science( I am sure explaining the theory of relativity will cause them to have anourisms)(can't spell leave me alone, its not my fault the hooker is dead)

I'm really hoping that one of these Flat-earth people will come and try to make an argument for it... It would be the best debate ever: Is the earth flat or round? 16th century Style!!!! Next up: Does gravity really exist?

I'm really hoping that one of these Flat-earth people will come and try to make an argument for it... It would be the best debate ever: Is the earth flat or round? 16th century Style!!!! Next up: Does gravity really exist?

If everyone believed there was no gravity, would gravity really still operate?

What would newton do?

Probably throw apples at other people on a ballistic trajectory while yelling "Thats gravity in action! Hah!"

Next you're going to tell me that there's a society that denies evolution and wants to teach creationism in schools. Now THAT would be outlandish.

Their called republicans: also on a side note:http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/08/zoo.display.ap/index.html
a creationism display in a ZOO!!!!!!

Flatists are general pains in the ass.

Trust me, I've met one. It's scary. There's no talking to them.

Flatists are general pains in the ass.

Trust me, I've met one. It's scary. There's no talking to them.
They can't talk... Well I guess the bible wasn't written in english huh?

I've heard about them before. The fact of the matter is that even their evidence gleaned from scripture doesn't really support what they believe because it is either a) obviously meant to be symbolic or b) an expression like the "four corners of the Earth" one. There is a reason they number only in the hundreds after all (at least the last time I checked, didn't read the links).

Thinking we could ever defeat the forces of idiocy with little things like science and reason was, and is, as foolish as thinking one could defeat the forces of terrorism through war.

Though I couldn't disagree more with your message, I compliment you on your amazing segueing ability.

Anyone notice the distinct connection between all of these factors? They appear to be religiously based and against scientific concepts that go against their beliefs.

One wonders if there will ever be a legal bill forbidding the appearance of religion in any scientific endeavor ever?

Wow, ya know is it just me, or is the world making up more ****ed up things every day.

"The holocost didn't happen"
"The world is flat!"
"Hitler is living, even though he would be old a ****ing hell by now!"

How to the flatists explain circumnavigation then?

*Then god came down and cast this thread down with his arc-angel*

How to the flatists explain circumnavigation then?

They don't agree with self-mutilation, even by God's chosen people.

I'm really hoping that one of these Flat-earth people will come and try to make an argument for it... It would be the best debate ever: Is the earth flat or round? 16th century Style!!!! Next up: Does gravity really exist?

We had a thread on this a few weeks back (not a complaint OK) and I took the devils advocate position to defend the flat earth. No one manged to prove that the Earth was nearly spherical, or even a curved plane of any kind. It is actually very very hard to prove. It requires all kinds of assumptions about the way that physics works and the way the universe is, which are actually still assumptions. The only really successful proof is to physically leave the earth and observe it to be spherical. However, only very few people claim to have done that, far fewer than claim to have been abducted by aliens, so how good is that evidence?

Wow, ya know is it just me, or is the world making up more ****ed up things every day.

"The holocost didn't happen"
"The world is flat!"
"Hitler is living, even though he would be old a ****ing hell by now!"

How to the flatists explain circumnavigation then?

They explain it like this(if you read the links!): It was a massive conspiricy between columbus, queen of spain, FDR, Lincoln?, and a whole bunch of other people for the reason of I don't know.... I think they mentioned that they wanted an excuse for something(okay I skimmed the links myself but still!!)

The earth is flat, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, and....The emperor has no clothes

be-LIE-ve

One wonders if there will ever be a legal bill forbidding the appearance of religion in any scientific endeavor ever?

Well that would violate a little thing called the First Amendment. ;)

We had a thread on this a few weeks back (not a complaint OK) and I took the devils advocate position to defend the flat earth. No one manged to prove that the Earth was nearly spherical, or even a curved plane of any kind. It is actually very very hard to prove. It requires all kinds of assumptions about the way that physics works and the way the universe is, which are actually still assumptions. The only really successful proof is to physically leave the earth and observe it to be spherical. However, only very few people claim to have done that, far fewer than claim to have been abducted by aliens, so how good is that evidence?

Well, you just have to... I mean its just common... (head explodes)

Just got done talking to jesus and heres his plan:

1st make the earth flat just to make all of us look really dumb and those few 100 people or so seem really smart

2nd show evoultion isn't real by showing him planting those bones in the ground and when you ask why he will tell you it was meant to challenge your faith

3rd point to some abscure reference in the bible and demand everyone wear pink pants or BURN in HELL!!!!

4rth Force everyone to read the bible from cover cover and then take questions and when a question is asked such as why? destroy them and say Questions are Sins!

5th Goats will rules the world and anyone who doubts it wait until August 3 2006, Remember apple going to intel was the last sign that the rapture was near and when it comes goats will rise to their proper place in our society.

apparently there is a group of people out there that believe the earth is not round and is in fact flat yes flat... apparently the bible makes reference to it being flat or they simply think its a massive conspiricy, its really quite laughable. If your a believer in the Flat Earth ideal I hope you go see someone who can help you...

Heres some links, Read them they are so funny....

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/crea-fe.htm



I personally think the first and third are the most hilairous, I added the wiki so you can get more information, why your there go learn something and look up ahh i don't know lets say William mckinley......

EnJoy!

They should teach flat earth theory in geology... in Kansas. :D

As funny sad and pathetic as it sounds such stupity and ignorance should by dealt with not simple laughed at. It honesntly lowers my respect for we human being. :headbang:

YEs but it increases your respect for the genectically enhanced super-humans that will take over 2008 and force all those who are * Insert dumb act or person here*. But there is one draw-back however they require blood and they like to burn people for no reason... so you see we will have no morons but we could also sufer quick and senseless deaths by super-people and their children...

Well that would violate a little thing called the First Amendment. ;)


Considering how the ultra-religious people are so keen on having their religion everywhere, even to the detriment of that little clause preventing legislation on religion to begin with, it is only fair that something like said legislation to be proposed. Besides, the only thing it would bar is religion from pretending to be science. How many parishioners after all have you seen developing electronic chips or leading the cutting edge on biotechnology? Heck, how many of these poeple have actually gone out to the field to prove their theories?

As for the earth being round thing, one only has to consider earth curvature and radar systems. For this example, you would need to base the platform on the ocean and at a relatively low height. A detector dish some 300 km away wouldn't pick up the signal if you directed the beam directly at it and not at any other vector.

Considering how the ultra-religious people are so keen on having their religion everywhere, even to the detriment of that little clause preventing legislation on religion to begin with, it is only fair that something like said legislation to be proposed. Besides, the only thing it would bar is religion from pretending to be science. How many parishioners after all have you seen developing electronic chips or leading the cutting edge on biotechnology? Heck, how many of these poeple have actually gone out to the field to prove their theories?

As for the earth being round thing, one only has to consider earth curvature and radar systems. For this example, you would need to base the platform on the ocean and at a relatively low height. A detector dish some 300 km away wouldn't pick up the signal if you directed the beam directly at it and not at any other vector.

Can you put that in layman's terms?

Can you put that in layman's terms?

If the earth is flat, a straight radarbeam should be detectable 300 km away by a detector at the same height above ground/ocean. If the earth is sperical the surface would be curved, and a straight radarbeam would go over the detector.

If the earth is flat, a straight radarbeam should be detectable 300 km away by a detector at the same height above ground/ocean. If the earth is sperical the surface would be curved, and a straight radarbeam would go over the detector.

gotcha

Considering how the ultra-religious people are so keen on having their religion everywhere, even to the detriment of that little clause preventing legislation on religion to begin with, it is only fair that something like said legislation to be proposed. Besides, the only thing it would bar is religion from pretending to be science. How many parishioners after all have you seen developing electronic chips or leading the cutting edge on biotechnology? Heck, how many of these poeple have actually gone out to the field to prove their theories?

Didn't your mother ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? ;)

Whatever, I didn't take your statement seriously anyway.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? ;)

Whatever, I didn't take your statement seriously anyway.

Hey! If your going to quote someone, at least make sure the name belongs to the correct post.

And of course two wrongs don't make things right. But I would dearly love to see all the steam rise up from their collars and ears if such a legislation was ever proposed. In fact, we could probably power the world on such thermal generation.

Their called republicans: also on a side note:http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/08/zoo.display.ap/index.html
a creationism display in a ZOO!!!!!!

I'm not quite sure why that's such a bad thing... different aspects is a good thing, isn't it?

Now why did the atheists have to drag Christianity into this?

Isaiah 40:22 (King James Version) 22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Hey! If your going to quote someone, at least make sure the name belongs to the correct post.

And of course two wrongs don't make things right. But I would dearly love to see all the steam rise up from their collars and ears if such a legislation was ever proposed. In fact, we could probably power the world on such thermal generation.

Oops, sorry. I'll fix that.

I'm not quite sure why that's such a bad thing... different aspects is a good thing, isn't it?

Well.. the "religion shouldn't be part of the taxpayer-funded scientific institution" argument would be somewhat valid - if a zoo was primarily a scientific insttution and not a different type of amusement park. And since they already had various religious displays, and since the creation story *is* part of western culture I agree with the go-ahead. Especially if they place it next to the apes with a notice "according to creation, these creatures do not look like us at all" ;)

Especially if they place it next to the apes with a notice "according to creation, these creatures do not look like us at all" ;)

No, not quite. The proper response would be to put a sign next to the some carbon dated dinosaur bones that say "According to creation, these are fakes put there by god."

No, not quite. The proper response would be to put a sign next to the some carbon dated dinosaur bones that say "According to creation, these are fakes put there by god."

No, that requires the viewers to:
a. Understand what carbon dating is (which in fact is nontrivial)
b. Believe carbon dating works

Just looking at all the species that bear an astonishing resemblance to eachother is much easier. Though the "degeneration theory" might then present itself of course..

We had a thread on this a few weeks back (not a complaint OK) and I took the devils advocate position to defend the flat earth. No one manged to prove that the Earth was nearly spherical, or even a curved plane of any kind. It is actually very very hard to prove. It requires all kinds of assumptions about the way that physics works and the way the universe is, which are actually still assumptions. The only really successful proof is to physically leave the earth and observe it to be spherical. However, only very few people claim to have done that, far fewer than claim to have been abducted by aliens, so how good is that evidence?

Hang on a minute. Are you telling me that not one person considered something simple like flying around the earth in one direction? That not one person thought about those special new years flights where people fly around the globe, stopping at several destinations to party until they eventually ended up back at their point of departure?

No one mentioned travel at all?

No, not quite. The proper response would be to put a sign next to the some carbon dated dinosaur bones that say "According to creation, these are fakes put there by god."

Yes, because God is not honesty and goodness and light, but in actuality a small-minded sneaky trickster bent upon fooling people with His clever carbon-dating scheme, so that he can send them all to Hell later for having believed His worksmanship! ;)

Hey, people, have you seen the society's forums? The entire place has been taken over by 'round-earth' forumites who keep giving evidence that the Earth is round, and no-one is refuting it.

Heh...

Hee hee. Put together, it seems like god is not really a kind benevolent diety but rather a harsh, spiteful, tricky person who likes to confuse people and have them beat each other over the head.

Charles Johnson, former President of the Flat Earth Society

"Wherever you find people with a great reservoir of common sense, they don't believe idiotic things such as the earth spinning around the sun. Reasonable, intelligent people have always recognized that the earth is flat."

Wow.

Fucking...wow.

Yes, because God is not honesty and goodness and light, but in actuality a small-minded sneaky trickster bent upon fooling people with His clever carbon-dating scheme, so that he can send them all to Hell later for having believed His worksmanship! ;)

*whispers* God is a pawn of Satan. He gets paid by the devil to lure people into Hell! :D

"Degeneration theory" is what you get when you try to mix evolutionism with fundamentalism. You get one half of quite sound evolutionary theory, well-based in science, and then you flat-out to refuse its logical consequences, the other half. In essence, you propose a feedback loop which doesn't feed itself back. 'tis silly.

On the zoo: Creationism is not and never will be, by its very nature, a science. To put it up next to science is to make straw men of both.

I add this (http://www.textbookleague.org/91bflat.htm) link, for your consideration.

Moreover, the first article of those four, to anyone with half a brain who's paying attention, is journalistically brilliant and scientifically nonexistent. I say one of three things to this man: Either find the wall of ice round the outside of the world, or explain why all the world's free water doesn't flow in one direction (and thus where the new stuff's coming from, for rain nowhere near accounts for it), or give up and join the cause of empiricism, that is, basing your beliefs on evidence instead of rhetoric.

Ha! I went to one of those websites once...it told me Australia didn't exist.

Hey, people, have you seen the society's forums? The entire place has been taken over by 'round-earth' forumites who keep giving evidence that the Earth is round, and no-one is refuting it.

Makes sense. How many flat earthers do you think can use a computer. Maybe two?

"No, Jethro. We don't need no stinking computer. They be the work of the Devil. Now get back inside before the sky falls on yer head." :D

New Watenho']"Degeneration theory" is what you get when you try to mix evolutionism with fundamentalism. You get one half of quite sound evolutionary theory, well-based in science, and then you flat-out to refuse its logical consequences, the other half. In essence, you propose a feedback loop which doesn't feed itself back. 'tis silly.

Silly yes - but fun to read :) And at least they acknowledge the possibility of evolution - just not in a positve direction.

Ha! I went to one of those websites once...it told me Australia didn't exist

Well of course, any reasonable, intelligent person knows that the Ausies are just cleverly disguised British folk out to make us believe the propaganda of a round earth. :D

Man I love sarcasm and this thread is rife with it. Its almost tangible.

Silly yes - but fun to read :) And at least they acknowledge the possibility of evolution - just not in a positve direction.

Aye. I know it's difficult to find an Evo/Creo debate which includes anyone on either side genuinely informed, or often even capable of creating a proper argument, so it's a good thing they're fun to read or they'd just be tiring. I wish I'd seen this while I was doing my coursework; I completely forgot about Flat-Earthers as an example of rhetoric being used to simulate science in itself and dissimulate its own wholly unscientific nature.

And no, to be honest, I don't think that's a step in the right direction. I'd rather the Creationists stuck to their own side, because their own side is at least more logically consistent. Remember, they're asserting here "I believe it is a logical truth that P leads to Q, but I do not believe that in the past it was a logical truth that P led to Q."

(To head off objection, see meaning 2 here (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tautology))

Well of course, any reasonable, intelligent person knows that the Ausies are just cleverly disguised British folk out to make us believe the propaganda of a round earth. :D

Man I love sarcasm and this thread is rife with it. Its almost tangible.

Oh yeah. We love creating new accents! That's why we have so many in such a small space, compared to larger countries like the States. In fact, that's evidence for the conspiracy!

This is actually the type of evidence that they're using. Not the evidence, but the type of evidence and inference.

There's a couple of songs on this topic by MC Hawking (http://www.mchawking.com) Good stuff.

New Watenho]Oh yeah. We love creating new accents! That's why we have so many in such a small space, compared to larger countries like the States. In fact, that's evidence for the conspiracy!

This is actually the type of evidence that they're using. Not the evidence, but the type of evidence and inference.

Well I certainly hope they don't see this thread and get any ideas. Small chance though. (see above thread about computer abilities of flat earthers.)

Curiously, if you declare Christianity to be true, there is absolutely no problem with a Flat Earth. After all, with God taking an active role in the running of the universe, anything is possible. Circumnavigation? Well, it's just divine portals at the end. Laser beams? Oh, that's just because light doesn't actually go in straight lines.

This is not to say that all Christians will do that. It's just to point out that the Ultimate Wild Card (AKA God) makes all theories equally valid.

(Note that this makes an assumption or two, namely that there is nothing to directly contradict this in the Bible. But that assumes that God was telling the truth in the Bible, which is a whole nother kettle of fish)

Wow, this is the most retarded thing I've read in a while. Are there no limits to the idiocy... :headbang:

When was the last time you Circumnavigated the Earth?

Flat Earth? I wonder how ignorant and stupid people have to be to actually believe that. Btw, in this context, Creationism is prettymuch the same.

I wonder if people will ever stop with this superstitious nonsense... :rolleyes:

Curiously, if you declare Christianity to be true, there is absolutely no problem with a Flat Earth. After all, with God taking an active role in the running of the universe, anything is possible. Circumnavigation? Well, it's just divine portals at the end. Laser beams? Oh, that's just because light doesn't actually go in straight lines.

This is not to say that all Christians will do that. It's just to point out that the Ultimate Wild Card (AKA God) makes all theories equally valid.

(Note that this makes an assumption or two, namely that there is nothing to directly contradict this in the Bible. But that assumes that God was telling the truth in the Bible, which is a whole nother kettle of fish)

Of course the problem with the divine portals bit and bending of light would mean that these people would have to argue that everytime someone points a laser beam in such a way that would prove circumnavigation, God personally steps down and bends it. Otherwise, why won't it bend in lab tests?

God must apparently be a very, very busy diety, fooling all those scientists.