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Ductor Optimus:
*snip*If you mean to translate "best leader" into Latin, the word for "leader" would actually be dux, not ductor (though I can see where your guess came from). :-)

If you mean to translate "best leader" into Latin, the word for "leader" would actually be dux, not ductor (though I can see where your guess came from). :-)

Look:

ductor -oris m. [a leader , commander, a guide].

and

dux ducis c. (1) [a guide , conductor]. (2) [a leader, ruler, commander].

Both would be right. But I like yours better.

Perhaps you should tell us what your party proposes to do, appart from indoctrinating kids.

don't forget to inform Ariddia of your party if you haven't already done so http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418608

you need a manifesto of at least 10 lines in length to be considered an 'official' NS party, and again you'll need to inform Aridd once you have (cos he organises all of this... don't forget to thank him ;))
the last election ended on the 6th and we're still trying to work out parliament at the moment. the next elecitons will be in around 3 or 4 months time.

good luck! :)

You guys share the name "Classic" with us, yet we have very opposing views. This could be interesting.

don't forget to inform Ariddia of your party if you haven't already done so http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418608

you need a manifesto of at least 10 lines in length to be considered an 'official' NS party, and again you'll need to inform Aridd once you have (cos he organises all of this... don't forget to thank him ;))
the last election ended on the 6th and we're still trying to work out parliament at the moment. the next elecitons will be in around 3 or 4 months time.

good luck! :)

Yes, I've read the rules. This is just the introducion thread. Just for sorting things out. ;)

The NationStates National Classical Party, oy that can be a tongue twister. Try to say it ten times fast.

Yes, I've read the rules. This is just the introducion thread. Just for sorting things out. ;)
good good, just making sure :)

Sounds reasonable.. a good deal better than the rest, so far. :)

Seems like you should have renamed your party the "We Only Care About People Who are Just Like Us."

I despise your party's stances and luckily for me your positions have alienated 95% of the people on NS.

Seems like you should have renamed your party the "We Only Care About People Who are Just Like Us."

I despise your party's stances and luckily for me your positions have alienated 95% of the people on NS.
Despite our differences on other threads, I agree with Vittos. Y'all are big meanies.

Another party to dislike! Actually, I'm coming to dislike all parties in NS. Go figure.

But this one is a big target, unsurprisingly.

Sounds reasonable.. a good deal better than the rest, so far. :)
I agree.

Seems like you should have renamed your party the "We Only Care About People Who are Just Like Us."

I despise your party's stances and luckily for me your positions have alienated 95% of the people on NS.

I second this opinion. Very well said indeed.

What do you not like about the party? Give some feedback, please.

Bump for Opinions...

Okay, i am not trying to offend or compare you to the nazis but why not just call yourselves what you seem to be to me

Either the Nationalist Party

EDIT: The Hardline Conservatives Party

The Authoritarian Rightists Party

That's because our views vary from member to member, so I wanted to wait for Vineyard to post his views. But (keep in mind this is a general outline) here are our views:

Abortion:
We intend to ban all forms of abortion, except in special circumstances of sexual assault, or any case in which the woman will be seriously harmed.

Affirmative Action:
Banned completly.

Euthanasia:
For now, our view on the matter is active Euthanasia should be banned. But this is not final, as all these issues listed are not final either.

Foreign Relations:
Not decided.

Gay Rights:
That's an oxymoron in our party.

Guns & Weapons:
Citizens should have unlimited rights to arms.

Immigration:
Against all aliens. Those who made it in illegially shouldn't have any more rights than those who didn't try.

Military & National Defense:
Increased funding is the way to go.

Social Security:
Get rid of it.

Student Rights:
Need to increase a ton!
The bold parts are particularly objectionable. The other points are standard conservative fare. Anyway

Gay Rights - your party thinks that gay people should have no rights???

Student Rights - this just comes across as pork, for your pet section of the population. let me guess, you're a student.

I agree with the issues.
I will join this party.

The bold parts are particularly objectionable. The other points are standard conservative fare. Anyway

Gay Rights - your party thinks that gay people should have no rights???

Student Rights - this just comes across as pork, for your pet section of the population. let me guess, you're a student.
Gays should not have rights because they are always busy trying to take away everyone elses.
Student rights need to be curtailed, they have too many already.

Can we re-introduce the concept of Paterfamilias? That would almost tempt me to join. I like the idea of being able to crucify troublesome members of my household.

Gays should not have rights because they are always busy trying to take away everyone elses.
Student rights need to be curtailed, they have too many already.
Elaborate. I have never noticed the gays taking away my rights.

Why do students have too many rights?

If you like...

Abortion:
We intend to ban all forms of abortion, except in special circumstances of sexual assault, or any case in which the woman will be seriously harmed.

I didn't know there was more than one form of abortion. Go figure. As for the rest, well, ya, I can agree with this one.

Affirmative Action:
Banned completly.

I suppose that I can agree with this one as well. Then again, I'm not American, so this really has nothing to do with me.

Euthanasia:
For now, our view on the matter is active Euthanasia should be banned. But this is not final, as all these issues listed are not final either.

Why? Who are you to say that another person cannot die if he so choses to do so? The second part of this made me laugh. It says "We don't really have a formulated opinion, by my local priest told me that this is right, so I figured I'd throw it in here."

Foreign Relations:
Not decided.

Well, I don't see how foreign relations apply in NS government. Apparently, you don't either. So why did you bother throwing this in here?

Gay Rights:
That's an oxymoron in our party.

And this is the part where I become your political enemy. "Oh my fucking God, gay is bad!!!11, linch those fags!" right, you bigot? I hope you end up having gay kids.

Guns & Weapons:
Citizens should have unlimited rights to arms.

.....need I comment? All you right to bare arms activists make me want to puke. Yes, yes, what we need is more guns in poor neighborhoods, more gang related shootings, more Columbines, and more white supremacists malitias running around middle America preaching Aryan revolution. Why do you people refuse to join the civilized world? Its not cowboys and indians anymore. Get used to it.

Immigration:
Against all aliens. Those who made it in illegially shouldn't have any more rights than those who didn't try.

Though I would support a platform of combating illegal immigration, the way you worded this is sick. These "aliens" as you call them are human beings just like you, and they deserve to be treated with as much repsect as you. I don't think that dehumanizing gays and illegal immigrants will score you many points amongst most NSers. You need to realize the xenophobia is not an ideology, it is a mental disorder. Seek help.

Military & National Defense:
Increased funding is the way to go.

Why? Because guns are cool? :rolleyes:

Social Security:
Get rid of it.

Yes, now that we've dehumanised homosexuals and illegal immigrants, lets dehumanise the poor and unemployed. I'm wondering if you have any imagination at all. Do you really find the prospect of having millions of homeless, starving, and desperate people out on the streets appealing? If you combine this with the easy access to firearms your party would assure them, I can only imagine what a country you run would look like. I hope those starving, homeless, armed to the teeth people make a stop at your house, to show you the horrible results of the policies you are so eager to adopt.

Student Rights:
Need to increase a ton!

WTF? Did you just add this because it sounds cool or something? Are students an oppressed class where you live? Are they oppressed by the homosexuals, immigrants, and poor people? Did bigfoot take it?

I agree with this party for the most part, minus Euthenasia in some cases. But everything else is great, imigration policy is ok, could be stronger, gay rights is perfect, gun control is perfect.

Immigration:
Against all aliens.


I think you may be able to guess if I would support you or not :p

(I am taking this as seriously as it deserves OK)

The party is bordering on the fascist in my eyes, probably is fascist actually

The party is bordering on the fascist in my eyes, probably is fascist actually
No dictatorship, no merging of private business and state.
I don't think so.

No dictatorship, no merging of private business and state.
I don't think so.
Yeah i was thinking they pretty fascist socially. Maybe fascist isn't the word

Extremely Conservative?

RightWing Conspirators will join this party.

That new medicine RU-something. That's the second form.

Um, okay. ;)

No, no, no. I'm saying they can't. I'm saying I'll stop them later. Poisoning their bodies makes it harder for them to be repaired by nanobiology later, because they have more damage.

An honest and humble question presented in a vulgar tone by an uneducated dredge: what the fuck are you talking about?


And prehaps if you read the top, it says that member's opinions will help shape our ideals. Meaning this are just a basic outline, which will be changed greaty before we make a manifesto.

Hell of a way to wash your hands of the matter and assume absolutely no responsibility for your own opinions.

It's my fault that I phrased it badly, so I'm sorry about that. But if you read it now, you'll see "gay marriage" we don't believe in, because "marriage" is a vow between a man and a woman. Besides, homeosexuality is caused by a genetically mutation according to several NS posters. So they do have rights like any other human, but it doesn't mean they can corrupt the marriage system.

So, in response to my post, you went and changed what you wrote originaly? Ahhh, do you even believe in any of the drivel you wrote? As for "corrupting the marriage system", who's marriage system? Yours? According to my marriage system, gays can go ahead and marry if they like. What do you care anyway?


Facts (which you lack) say the opposite. Read More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws by John R. Lott, Jr., or at least view the interview with him here (http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html).

I read the interview, and find it to be laughable. "If we're all armed to the teeth, then we'll all be deathly afraid of one another, and the crime rate will drop." I especially like the part where he suggests that teachers carry firearms into schools. That's brilliant. You know, there's this thing called common sense. You should try it out someday, it could be quite the adventure for you. As for your "statistics", nations, parties, and everyday people invent them out of nothing everyday to support otherwise unsupportable positions. Are you really so naive as to accept this quacks "statistics" at face value? Common sense my dear, try it out.


I don't understand what your doing except bashing stuff I never said.

Nope, quite the contrary, I'm bashing stuff you did say.

"Aliens" is the term for illegal immigrants here in the US. The problem is you don't live here, meaning you assume it's some "dehumanizing" term, which it isn't (and I don't believe immigrants should be treated bad, either). We actually agree on this issue, if you understood what I said!

I'm well aware of what the term "alien" means, don't assume that I am ignorant. The fact that it is a commonly used term in the American media and government doesn't make it any less dehumanising. Fourty years ago, the majority of white Americans still felt that "******" was a legit word to use when speaking of African Americans. Did that make the word ****** any less derogatory or dehumanising? I think not.


Because a country is always weak without a strong military in the modern world.

Switzerland


The people who don't work and expect others to pay for them? Yea, it's there fault if they didn't get a retirement plan from their employer. It wastes an absolute ton of money to pay for these people with tax dollars.

You are aware of the fact that there are many people in the USA who want to work, but can't find jobs, yes? You are aware of the fact that there are many more who are working jobs that don't even pay them enough to live off of, yes? Perhaps not. And what about their children, who have no influence over their parents? Should they starve? Should they turn to crime to fullfill their needs. You need to get out of the suburbs. Take a trip to Newark, and share your views with the people there.

I find this most interesting. A person who is not American trying to dictate what American internal policy should be. Seriously, what do you really know about American culture besides what you've seen in movies?

I find this most interesting. A person who is not American trying to dictate what American internal policy should be. Seriously, what do you really know about American culture besides what you've seen in movies?

I spent a good part of my life in the USA, first of all. Why do you assume that non-Americans are ignorant about the American reality? I probably know alot more about your country than the average American does. You most probably know nothing about the country I'm from. Whether you like it or not, people outside of the USA are actually reasonably well educated, your "culture" is no mystery to outsiders. Secondly, I'm not dictating anything to anyone, I'm arguing a point. I'm sorry that you feel threatened by my ability to actually back up my opinions. Lastly, this isn't about American "internal policy" :rolleyes:, but about a political program being presented for consideration to the NS community, a large portion of which is not American. I'm not sure why you equate "NS Parliament" with "American Congress", but that is your mistake, not mine.

edit: By the way, what the hell does "internal policy" have to do with "culture" anyway? And is it your culture to discriminate against immigrants, homosexuals, and the poor? If so, I'm sorry, but as far as I know, you're not American.

I spent a good part of my life in the USA, first of all. Why do you assume that non-Americans are ignorant about the American reality? I probably know alot more about your country than the average American does. You most probably know nothing about the country I'm from. Whether you like it or not, people outside of the USA are actually reasonably well educated, your "culture" is no mystery to outsiders. Secondly, I'm not dictating anything to anyone, I'm arguing a point. I'm sorry that you feel threatened by my ability to actually back up my opinions. Lastly, this isn't about American "internal policy" :rolleyes:, but about a political program being presented for consideration to the NS community, a large portion of which is not American. I'm not sure why you equate "NS Parliament" with "American Congress", but that is your mistake, not mine.

edit: By the way, what the hell does "internal policy" have to do with "culture" anyway? And is it your culture to discriminate against immigrants, homosexuals, and the poor? If so, I'm sorry, but as far as I know, you're not American.
Well, if you really spent some time in America, then you would know that American culture is really a grouping of regional cultures.
To discriminate against immigrants who seek to break our laws and cause our people harm, is not only American but is called patriotism in the United States.
I am not the only American who has a problem with all the gays forcing their militant gayism in our faces at virtual gun point.
I don't discriminate against the poor. I only discriminate against what most of us Americans (80%) call the professional homeless and those we refer to as welfare queens (women who get pregnant just so they can collect welfare money, then drop the kids with a stranger so they can spend the welfare money on going to parties and nightclubs or who have abortions but continue to collect the money that being given them to support a kid that does not exist because it was aborted. Welfare is a safety net only for those who are willing to accept their responsibility to get jobs and (for those who have kids) accept responsibility for raising their kids.

Well, if you really spent some time in America, then you would know that American culture is really a grouping of regional cultures.

I fail to see your point.

To discriminate against immigrants who seek to break our laws and cause our people harm, is not only American but is called patriotism in the United States.

I find it bizarre that you feel you have the right to speak for all Americans. I can assure you that I know many Americans who not only do not share your views, but would be completely outraged by them. Also, illegal "aliens" as you would like to call them, don't enter your country to cause "your people" harm. They do so because they hope to create better lives for themselves and their families. Granted, there are criminal "illegal aliens" as well. But as in every society, they are the very slim manority. It is a point of ignorance to group all these people into one category. Don't get me wrong, I don't support illegal immigration. I am a strong advocate of order and lawfulness. I am however apalled by the hatred you seem to display. To defend your borders against illegal immigration is one thing. To dehumanise the people who are doing it for their own good reasons is another. You should feel blessed to be an American, and should understand that were you on the other side of that long fence, you may well be doing the same thing. It is a complicated issue, but one which should be solved in a rational and humane manner. Discriminating against immigrants is called patriotism in the United States? At one time, discriminating against Jews was called patriotism in Germany. Draw your own conclusions.

I am not the only American who has a problem with all the gays forcing their militant gayism in our faces at virtual gun point.

Have you ever considered that perhaps these gays have become so militant in response to your own militancy? It was okay when the KKK went around hanging and beating gays, blacks, and Catholics, usually at not-at-all-virtual gunpoint. But when these groups finally stand up for themselves and respond with their own militancy, you are outraged. As I said before, xenophobia is a mental disorder, not an ideology. It seems to me that you hate and fear those who are different from you, those who may in some way change your rigid perception of reality. Maybe if you took the time to think about these people, their lives, their points of view, what you would do in their shoes, you would see the world differently.

I don't discriminate against the poor. I only discriminate against what most of us Americans (80%) call the professional homeless and those we refer to as welfare queens (women who get pregnant just so they can collect welfare money, then drop the kids with a stranger so they can spend the welfare money on going to parties and nightclubs or who have abortions but continue to collect the money that being given them to support a kid that does not exist because it was aborted. Welfare is a safety net only for those who are willing to accept their responsibility to get jobs and (for those who have kids) accept responsibility for raising their kids.

So in your opinion, because of the sins of a few, the many must suffer? What about all the children of these "professional homeless" or "welfare queens" who wouldn't even have the fucking milk/cheese bus to quench their thirst and aleviate their hunger if you had your way? Wouldn't you feel just a little bad if you had to look them in the eyes and tell them they don't get to eat cause mommies a useless bum? Think about it.

I fail to see your point.



I find it bizarre that you feel you have the right to speak for all Americans. I can assure you that I know many Americans who not only do not share your views, but would be completely outraged by them. Also, illegal "aliens" as you would like to call them, don't enter your country to cause "your people" harm. They do so because they hope to create better lives for themselves and their families. Granted, there are criminal "illegal aliens" as well. But as in every society, they are the very slim manority. It is a point of ignorance to group all these people into one category. Don't get me wrong, I don't support illegal immigration. I am a strong advocate of order and lawfulness. I am however apalled by the hatred you seem to display. To defend your borders against illegal immigration is one thing. To dehumanise the people who are doing it for their own good reasons is another. You should feel blessed to be an American, and should understand that were you on the other side of that long fence, you may well be doing the same thing. It is a complicated issue, but one which should be solved in a rational and humane manner. Discriminating against immigrants is called patriotism in the United States? At one time, discriminating against Jews was called patriotism in Germany. Draw your own conclusions.



Have you ever considered that perhaps these gays have become so militant in response to your own militancy? It was okay when the KKK went around hanging and beating gays, blacks, and Catholics, usually at not-at-all-virtual gunpoint. But when these groups finally stand up for themselves and respond with their own militancy, you are outraged. As I said before, xenophobia is a mental disorder, not an ideology. It seems to me that you hate and fear those who are different from you, those who may in some way change your rigid perception of reality. Maybe if you took the time to think about these people, their lives, their points of view, what you would do in their shoes, you would see the world differently.



So in your opinion, because of the sins of a few, the many must suffer? What about all the children of these "professional homeless" or "welfare queens" who wouldn't even have the fucking milk/cheese bus to quench their thirst and aleviate their hunger if you had your way? Wouldn't you feel just a little bad if you had to look them in the eyes and tell them they don't get to eat cause mommies a useless bum? Think about it.

Hey, you are pretty good at sticking up for the criminals, the frauds, and the terrorists.

1. By being illegal, they are already guilty of breaking our laws and disrespecting our national culture. I don't mind em picking grapes to support their America hating children. People got a right to get whaat work they can to support their families. What they don't have a right to do, is come to America, and rape our women and murder our police officers. The fact is that 70% of illegal immigrant males are pedophiles. Criminals have no right to enter the United States. The border must be sealed and jose strawberry picker ends up being locked out because of it, so be it. The security of the American people for foreigner criminals and terrorists who are entering from mexico takes great precedence over the illegals need for work. If the people of Mexico are so destituted by their own government, let them oust it and set up one that will look to their interests.

2. Militancy? The only militancy there is in the USA is from the wacko brainfried liberals seeking to ban all religion, seeking to repeal the constitution and set up one of their own as absolute dictator of America and give away our soverignty to the Revived Roman Empire that calls itself the European Union. If people want to be gay, that's their right. But their right ends at the precise point my personal space begins. They have no right to extort me of my money whereby forcing me to finance their immoral lifestyle which is going to get them sent straight to hell and that's from Bible. That's from Jesus himself. As I have aptly proven in another thread.

3.
a.)
The professional homeless dont' have children.
b.) Welfare queens who have children don't even care about those children and hence make unfit parents who the government should strip of said children. The children ought to be placed in state custody or given to those people willing and able to take proper care of them.

Hey, you are pretty good at sticking up for the criminals, the frauds, and the terrorists.

And you're pretty good a t spewing hateful slogans for lack of a rational argument.

1. By being illegal, they are already guilty of breaking our laws and disrespecting our national culture.

Well yes, being illegal does mean by definition breaking the law. You're very perceptive. As for "disrespecting your national culture", well, what a load of crap. Unless the American culture has changed over night, and can now be sumed up as isolationist xenophobia. Please, stop trying to speak for all Americans. Your ignorant and hateful assertions are insulting to your average red-white-and blue blooded American. I feel sorry for my American brethern that they have to put up with bigots like you. You give all the USA a bad name.

I don't mind em picking grapes to support their America hating children.

Excellent, more hatred, ignorance, and racism. Finally you reveal your true colors. American hating children? Couldn't you come up with anything better than that?

People got a right to get whaat work they can to support their families. What they don't have a right to do, is come to America, and rape our women and murder our police officers.

WTF, lolz :D You've outdone yourself. What the hell are you talking about?

The fact is that 70% of illegal immigrant males are pedophiles.

I'd like you to back up this "fact" with at least one solid source.

Criminals have no right to enter the United States.

Yes, because all non-naturals are criminals. :rolleyes:

The border must be sealed and jose strawberry picker ends up being locked out because of it, so be it.

Jose strawberry picker, huh? I'd like to see you say that to any Mexican man's face, you online hero.

2. Militancy? The only militancy there is in the USA is from the wacko brainfried liberals seeking to ban all religion, seeking to repeal the constitution and set up one of their own as absolute dictator of America and give away our soverignty to the Revived Roman Empire that calls itself the European Union.

Rethoric, propaganda, cliche fraseses, rethoric. Way to defend your position. "There is no logic to support my position, so I'll just rant, and hope I can scare you away.".....woops, I'm still here.

If people want to be gay, that's their right. But their right ends at the precise point my personal space begins.

So your personal space begins in a homosexual's bedroom? Interesting.

They have no right to extort me of my money whereby forcing me to finance their immoral lifestyle which is going to get them sent straight to hell and that's from Bible. That's from Jesus himself. As I have aptly proven in another thread.

Who gives a fuck about your Jesus?

The professional homeless dont' have children.

Another white American who needs to take a stroll through Newark.

b.) Welfare queens who have children don't even care about those children and hence make unfit parents who the government should strip of said children. The children ought to be placed in state custody or given to those people willing and able to take proper care of them.

And if nobody volunteers, they should just starve, because Whittier says its the Jesus loving heterosexual white American way.

You are nothing more than an ignorant, angry, racist little boy using big words and "patriotism" to defend your obviously indefensable opinions. For such a God loving good ol Christian boy, you sure do have alot of hatred pent up. Did Jesus tell you to hate too, boyo? Didn't think so.

Since you ask, what I disagree with in your policy:


Abortion:
We intend to ban all forms of abortion, except in special circumstances of sexual assault, or any case in which the woman will be seriously harmed.

I disagree with this, not only because I believe that abortion should be the woman's choice, but because your opinion is hypocritical. By only allowing abortion for circumstances of rape, you show that you do not truely recognize the fetus's right to life, but that you only care whether the woman should pay for the "mistake" of getting pregnant.

Gay Rights:
Civil Unions: Not marriage.

Separate but equal can never actually happen. You suggest that people should have equal rights, but said rights should be held seperate by society. That I cannot agree with. Either allow gays the right to have marriage, or remove government from marriage altogether, you cannot have government playing special interests.

Immigration:
Against all aliens. Those who made it in illegially shouldn't have any more rights than those who didn't try.

Not all aliens are illegal, many aliens provide a great deal to society. Your efforts to differentiate people based on nationality are entirely unfair and have no basis in reason.

Military & National Defense:
Increased funding is the way to go.

Blanket calls for increased military spending are ridiculous. Take America, for example, they spend more on military than the rest of the world combined so why would there be a need for increased military spending?

Student Rights:
We must increase student rights. After all, all citizens have equal rights.

Why do students deserve added rights? There is no reason to define student rights as they are granted all of the rights of the other members of society.

gays forcing their militant gayism in our faces at virtual gun point.

That may be the single outright dumbest comment I have ever read on NS.

You managed to include the phrases "militant gayism" and "virtual gun point", along with a completely ridiculous idea, all into the same sentence.

That may be the single outright dumbest comment I have ever read on NS.

Surely you jest.

Just wait around! Something will come up that exceeds even your lowest expectations.

Surely you jest.

Just wait around! Something will come up that exceeds even your lowest expectations.

No, I am not joking. I may be mistaken, but I don't think that I have ever seen a statement that had more of a blatant lack of critical thought.

Seriously, "militant gayism"? It only seems reasonable that he was typing randomly and just managed to join those 15 letters and a space together at pure chance.

Nay that was not a mistake. Militant anti american homos are out to destroy America and as such constitute a serious threat to the national security of the United States and to the law abiding citizens of our nation.
The only thing that poses a greater threat is all the America hating, US flag burning illegal aliens shooting at our border patrol agents as they run across our border.

Nay that was not a mistake. Militant anti american homos are out to destroy America and as such constitute a serious threat to the national security of the United States and to the law abiding citizens of our nation.

HA!

You have topped yourself.

You are either a comedic genius, or you have a disorder that renders you completely incapable of reasonable deduction.

For added enjoyment, would you please explain how you arrived at these views?

HA!

You have topped yourself.

You are either a comedic genius, or you have a disorder that renders you completely incapable of reasonable deduction.

For added enjoyment, would you please explain how you arrived at these views?
That would be because, unlike all these self hating "american libs" whining about how foreigners have a right to come and what the heck ever even if its harmful to AMericans and end up killing Americans.
Unlike all the anti religion Bush bashers.
Unlike those who think women should be allowed to kill baby's willy nilly without just cause.
Unlike those who support gay marriage but oppose normal marriage.
I am a real American. And the views of the unreal or hypothesis or qoutation mark Americans, take second seat to those of real Americans such as myself.

That would be because, unlike all these self hating "american libs" whining about how foreigners have a right to come and what the heck ever even if its harmful to AMericans and end up killing Americans.
Unlike all the anti religion Bush bashers.
Unlike those who think women should be allowed to kill baby's willy nilly without just cause.
Unlike those who support gay marriage but oppose normal marriage.
I am a real American. And the views of the unreal or hypothesis or qoutation mark Americans, take second seat to those of real Americans such as myself.

So people immigrate in order to kill Americans, people kill "baby's" at will, and people want gays to be allowed to marry but no one else.

I cannot figure out if you are for real or not.

Assuming that you are being serious, none of your comments have any resemblance of truth or reasonability. I would like to think that you are not a "real American."

Your party sucks. Yeah its right wing, but you really aren't honoring our founding fathers or persuing the concepts of Enlightenment that inspired our greatest moment in history.

So... you part is pointless and only good to divide Americans further.

I find this most interesting. A person who is not American trying to dictate what American internal policy should be. Seriously, what do you really know about American culture besides what you've seen in movies?
Hold on, these are somehow American policies? This a party for NationStates, not for America that we're talking about. God, I hate the way everything on this forum is automatically assumed to relate to America.

Have you ever considered that perhaps these gays have become so militant in response to your own militancy?
The funniest thing is, the gay rights movement is not militant at all.

Well Whittier, congratulations, you have managed to single handly bury this party through your displays of racism, ignorance, arrogance, and xenophobia. Through your own posts, you have provided a much better argument against the "ideals" of this party than I could have ever done. Bravo!