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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&art_id=vn20050607063033640C157944

Pretty self-explanitory. About time!

EDIT

Anyway it presents an interesting point about 'adapting' to rape. Good idea? Bad idea? Better deterrent than a gun? :D

Outstanding idea.

I saw this a while ago, there are a number of varients, but they arent used much.
As I recall, there was one that was basicaly a tube with razor blades in it, and another that had a needle with some kind of tranquilizer in it.

Interesting, but I think taking self-defense lessons is more practical, plus it also allows rapists to be identified (sort-of): they're the one's walking around with two broken arms!

So what happens if the device goes off on the guy he gets angry and then kills the women. I mean when your in that mind set, just a little pain could drive a man to kill a women

Or what happens if the women forgets to take it out and starts to have sex with her boyfriend, poor guy is going to get a big suprise

well the thing would hook on the erect penis so what about when he went a little softer? and someone could just cut it off themselves, just use a scissors to cut it off(the biter not the penis). and this would just increase the risk of the woman not surviving because the dude would be pissed as fuck when hes done raping her and sees something clamped on his wang. he would definately beat her upa little or something

So what happens if the device goes off on the guy he gets angry and then kills the women. I mean when your in that mind set, just a little pain could drive a man to kill a women

Or what happens if the women forgets to take it out and starts to have sex with her boyfriend, poor guy is going to get a big suprise

i was thinking about that part what if some poor guy gets his penis nabbed when hes having sex with his gf just because she "forgot"

From the same nation that gives us the "Carjacker Flamethrower"

...Scary stuff. Absolutely no one can defend the rapist I guess...but man, that's brutal. South Africa must be a real mess.

Erm, what about the potential for misuse? :eek:

Ouch.

Wow, then the woman can herself be charged with carrying a concealed weapon and also prosecuted for assault. That is if she survives the anger of the assailant.

This is not a good idea.

Wow, then the woman can herself be charged with carrying a concealed weapon and also prosecuted for assault. That is if she survives the anger of the assailant.

This is not a good idea.

Actually, I don't think a woman's attempts to protect herself from a rapist consitute assault...You know, self-defense and all that. This is assuming of course that the rapist can kill her with his dick cut open lengthwise. That's been known to put people in a state of shock, rather than anger.

I can't wait to read about all the cases of girlfriends and wives using this device to punish their boyfriends and husbands for all their faults and infractions.

Mitchell is also concerned that the device might lead to further violence against victims.

"Once the rapist realises this device is attached to him, he is more than likely to take his anger out on his victim."
This is what concerns me. I think it would be better for women to learn self-defense or perhaps carry a gun.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&art_id=vn20050607063033640C157944

Pretty self-explanitory. About time!

EDIT

Anyway it presents an interesting point about 'adapting' to rape. Good idea? Bad idea? Better deterrent than a gun? :D

Very, very bad.
1. It should be illegal (I haven't thought of a reason yet, the event would make whether it was neccasary should tell otherwise assault unless it was defined as selfdefence but then again if it was unneccasary then it would remain assault)
2. It has the potenial to kill the person
3. That would be painful

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&art_id=vn20050607063033640C157944

Pretty self-explanitory. About time!

EDIT

Anyway it presents an interesting point about 'adapting' to rape. Good idea? Bad idea? Better deterrent than a gun? :D

It might be a step in the right direction. I dont know. For it to be effective, we are talking about a woman who has already been physically assaulted and pentrated. I'd like to see something effective in preventing that.
Like maybe more men dressed in drag that are just dying to mutilate and attacker. If there were stories of rapists being F-d up good, that alone might reduce sexual assaults on women.
I also see the isolated cases of vindictive people susing the device to punish a lover.

I guess I dont think its such a good idea. Plus, if I found myself to be ensnared in such a device, my rage would likely get the better of me and I might cross the line to "murderer" as well as rapist. I cant speak for a rapist, but I know we are already dealing with a person with rage/hate/violence issues.

Meh, this has been around at least since I was 16.

Actually, I don't think a woman's attempts to protect herself from a rapist consitute assault...You know, self-defense and all that. This is assuming of course that the rapist can kill her with his dick cut open lengthwise. That's been known to put people in a state of shock, rather than anger.

If the woman was at least as strong as the man then it would be assault, if she was weaker then it is dependant on how much weaker, for example if the hulk attacked me, I could probably use a gun (as long as nonlethal), but I'm not too sure, probably only a bat at max, but if a three year old attacked me then if I punch him too hard then that is assault, if he had a knife then it may be different

In the event of rape, the device folds itself around the rapist's penis, attaching to the skin with microscopic hooks. It is only when the rapist withdraws that he will realise the device is clamped around his penis.

Not only is that not going to stop the rapist, he's gonna withdraw and be SUPER FUCKING #@)(%293u529 PISSED. Congratulations, South Africa. All your rape cases are now rape/murder cases.

anal rape will just become more popular

2. It has the potenial to kill the person
3. That would be painful
Good. Rapists don't deserve any better.

anal rape will just become more popular
Good point. Rapists are usually not about sex, so it stands to reason that they won't be choosy about which hole they penetrate.

anal rape will just become more popular


Ugggh... They will make an anal model too. Women all around will be walking funny.

How do they know if its still in there? What if they accidentally left one or the other in there?

Are emergency rooms capable of handling this type of damage?

Does the woman get the device back after its been deployed/recovered?


Efforts to prevent the initial assault of rape need to be increased.
I dont think this device is a good idea.

Ugggh... They will make an anal model too. Women all around will be walking funny.

How do they know if its still in there? What if they accidentally left one or the other in there?

Are emergency rooms capable of handling this type of damage?

Does the woman get the device back after its been deployed/recovered?


Efforts to prevent the initial assault of rape need to be increased.
I dont think this device is a good idea.
agreed, I think pepper spray or mace or a stun gun would be way more effective

What happens if the woman accidentally sticks her finger in it getting it out and some of the hooks catch?

What happens if the woman accidentally sticks her finger in it getting it out and some of the hooks catch?

Yeah, I was thinking that. What if shes having drunken casual sex and forgets to take it out? I guess it'll just be really painful

Also, if the hooks are microscopic, wouldn't it just really really hurt to tear off? I don't think there would be too much lasting damage. Or am I wrong on that? Any doctors in the house.

Actually, I don't think a woman's attempts to protect herself from a rapist consitute assault...You know, self-defense and all that.

Self-defence does not excuse any sort of behaviour. If the force used to defend oneself is deemed excessive - which this clearly might be - then one can become open to prosecution.

This is assuming of course that the rapist can kill her with his dick cut open lengthwise. That's been known to put people in a state of shock, rather than anger.

People can do more things when they're in pain than you think. Anger is often a response to pain.

What if the rapist is a women?

What if the rapist is a women?

another good point

What if the rapist is a women?

Have there been any cases of that?

Have there been any cases of that?

Take this scenario "Woman finds man she wants to take advantage of, she seduces him with this contraption on he gets caught, she takes whatever she wants. He would never report it"

Scenario 2 - Woman on woman with dildo , contraption springs rapist carries on

From the same nation that gives us the "Carjacker Flamethrower"

...Scary stuff. Absolutely no one can defend the rapist I guess...but man, that's brutal. South Africa must be a real mess.

South Africa IS a real mess. 1 in 3 women are raped there. :( :mad:

That much pain should not be legal. Period. You don't want to be raped? Own a tazer. Take self-defense. RUN AWAY. But a device this sadistic seems like it belongs to the Spanish Inquisition, not modern-day South Africa.

There is such a thing as using reasonable force in defending oneself. This, if I understand the device correctly, is sadistic above and beyond any call. I'd personally rather be shot than have an iron maiden on my dick.

But on a lighter note, they have car flamethrowers, now vagina-guards, so why not unite the two ideas! The Tampon-flamethrower! Good for rapes, carjackings and parties, it's the power of fire, between your legs!
"Anyone got a light?" "I do!" :flame:

South Africa IS a real mess. 1 in 3 women are raped there. :( :mad:
1 in 4 women in north america are sexually assaulted. We're not doing a hell of a lot better.

South Africa IS a real mess. 1 in 3 women are raped there. :( :mad:

Say it isn't so! That just cannot be. Not in the Socialist Utopia of Mandela! It cannot be!

What if the rapist is a women?
I saw a really good Law and Order:SVU episode about this. The jury held that women could not rape men. I think that's bullshit.

A friend of mine had a 'girlfriend' who had achieved several belts in various martial arts and he and her used to go around the city at 2 or 3 in the morning (she's very beautiful) and look for trouble. He himself doesn't really know self-defense but he looks like a nosferatu (very pale, with long curly hair and a small goatee and piercing eyes) so I guess that helps. When some guys would try to block their way, she'd 'practice' on them.

Maharlikana

Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the entire topic.

The Sci-Fi book "Snow Crash" has a female character who wore a similar device called a "dentata". It involved a tranquilizer-tipped needle that would knock out a would-be rapist upon penetration.

I don't know if any tranquilizer is potent enough for the job, but it sounds to me like a tranquilizer (in combination with the existing hooks) would be a better idea.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

I don't know if any tranquilizer is potent enough for the job, but it sounds to me like a tranquilizer (in combination with the existing hooks) would be a better idea.
I agree, particularly in regards to the potential side effects if she forgets to take it out for a boyfriend or fuck buddy. Instead of being painful, they're now really funny.

"Oh yes, honey, yes...honey? Wait. Damn it..."

I wouldn't mind one of those for my butt if I went to prison...

I don't know if any tranquilizer is potent enough for the job, but it sounds to me like a tranquilizer (in combination with the existing hooks) would be a better idea.
Sure there is. Animal tranquiliser is actually strong enough to KILL a human if the antidote isn't administered quickly enough. I have a friend who's a vet, and when he had to carry tranq darts, he also had to carry the antidote on him at all times...

Very, very bad.
1. It should be illegal (I haven't thought of a reason yet, the event would make whether it was neccasary should tell otherwise assault unless it was defined as selfdefence but then again if it was unneccasary then it would remain assault)
2. It has the potenial to kill the person
3. That would be painful

1)It should be illegal but you don't know why? Rape is illegal.
2)Rape and the following actions have the potential to kill the victim too, who cares what happens to the rapist. After all, he's the rapist
3)Yeah that would be painful, that's the point. Rape isn't all roses and velvet either.... :mad:

Isn't there a standard dosage level for humans? Tranquilizers that is. I imagine that with a suitable dosage, it would make a good mix of practicality.

I'm all for violently mutilating the genitalia of rapists, but I have to vote "Nay" on this one on account of the risk of "girlfriend might forget to take it out". Now I will go try to stop thinking about this.



Ow!

Can they guarantee that the rapist will not bleed and said blood will not leak out? (STDs)
It doesn't stop the rape from happening.
According to that article, one in four rapes in SA are gang rapes. This device would give you a group of now much angrier rapists.


"We should rather focus our energy on changing men's mindsets and behaviour towards women."
...
"We still need to focus on men as perpetrators of this heinous crime."

Because all men are secretly rapists. Obviously. :rolleyes:

I do not approve of mutilation as a form of punishment.
Now, if she wants to shoot the rapist dead, cool! ;)