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Who is the person you pity the most?

Cabra West
08-06-2005, 13:27
For me, it's my mother.

She had one hell of a childhood, with a father who firmly believed in beating his children for their own good, who thought of independent thought as the begining of the end of Western culture, who didn't allow for the smallest liberties in his house (like, for example, friends visiting or my mother visiting friends of hers)
Needless to say, my mother looked for the quickest way out of her family, and married when she had just turned 20. She had never lived on her own, and she would never finish university wher she was studying to become a teacher. My grandfather had very early on made sure that she wouldn't follow her original dream of becoming a stewardess.

That way, she ended up with my father. No less abusive than her own father had been, unfair, shorttempered, insulting her in public, beating his children, making a splendid career but forbidding her to spend money. She didn't have a new set of clothes in 10 years, while her husband was investing in one house after another and in cars that got more and more expensive during the years.

After 17 years of that, she couldn't take it any more and left him. She found herself alone with 3 children in an apartment that was to small for all of them, so she had to sleep in the living room. Her parents refused to help her in any way, neither giving her money nor offering to look after the kids while she went back to school. In their opinion, it was shameful that she had left her husband (my grandmother told her "I couldn't stay a day with you husband, but stay for the love of god, what are we supposed to tell the neighbours?") Her brother helped her financially during that time, her husband refused to pay her anything.
After she had found a job and a bit of stability, she sued her husband to pay some money to see the kids through school. He refused, which gave me the chance to bring him to court for that. the law suit streched over years, leading nowhere, as he simply had the better lawyers, until finally it was settled outside the court.

My mother is living alone now, her kids are grown up. She never wants to have a man again in her life, and I can understand her. But the work contract she has will end this year, and it is very doubtful that she will get a new contract as she is 54 now. She might face unemployment or early retirement, she has very little on the side, she never could save much money, so she has to dread the future again....

I'm trying to help all I can, but I had to leave the country in order to get work, both her sons live far away as well. I'm sorry for that, and I'm sorry that she had to fight herself through a life like this...

Who do you pity? Or feel sorry for?
Pepe Dominguez
08-06-2005, 13:31
My brother's grandmother has a similar story.. she was abused severely as a kid, ran away from Ireland at 15, moved to Chicago, had three kids, husband died young, lost several jobs, had health problems... I'd pity her, except she's a total jerk.. I mean, I can understand it, but she just went all bitter instead of philosophical about things.. she also refuses to lose her accent after all these years, which is odd.
Maniacal Me
08-06-2005, 13:36
'Pity' usually has negative connotations. Is that your intent?
Cabra West
08-06-2005, 13:38
'Pity' usually has negative connotations. Is that your intent?

Does it? It's the only translation I found for the German "Mitleid"... guess the same word doesn't exist in English, then. I'll try and find another word...
Pepe Dominguez
08-06-2005, 13:41
Does it? It's the only translation I found for the German "Mitleid"... guess the same word doesn't exist in English, then. I'll try and find another word...

I think mitleid's more like sympathy, empathy, etc. Pity in English can be accompanied by contempt, or go along with compassion.. it can go both ways.
Tirinia
08-06-2005, 13:43
i have some one i pitty who is the most incredibly pathetic person i know. she has no god damn idea what the hell she is doing in any part of her life. she keeps fscking (its a unix thing) things up and has no idea why people get mad at her for it. i pittied this girl so much that i went out with her for a bit, and found out first hand how much of a horrible life she leads. i will not repeat most of it, because it is both inapropriate for this forum and it is not my place to repeat any of it.
Cabra West
08-06-2005, 13:43
I think mitleid's more like sympathy, empathy, etc. Pity in English can be accompanied by contempt, or go along with compassion.. it can go both ways.

No, sympathy and empathy seem to mean "feeling for somebody", compassion is a bit closer but not exactly the same either. And "Mitleid" is neutral it can either be feeling sorry for somebody because of their condition or feeling contempt for somebody for not living up to it.
So if pity can go both ways, that's ok
Maniacal Me
08-06-2005, 13:47
Google translation gives "compassion". I imagine that is what you meant,
"Deep awareness of the suffering of another coupled with the wish to relieve it."

While 'pity' should mean that, it is more commonly used in a derogatory fashion. Pity is a somewhat contemptuous emotion.

Edit: Are you asking for pity "contemptuous" or pity "compassionate"? Or both?
Pepe Dominguez
08-06-2005, 13:56
No, sympathy and empathy seem to mean "feeling for somebody", compassion is a bit closer but not exactly the same either. And "Mitleid" is neutral it can either be feeling sorry for somebody because of their condition or feeling contempt for somebody for not living up to it.
So if pity can go both ways, that's ok

Hm. Interesting. Pity probably works then..
Mazalandia
08-06-2005, 15:12
Any victim of paedophilia, and I know several unfortunately. Worst was the 12 year old girl whose parents did not believe her, then an 6 year old girl told them the same man molested them
Kryozerkia
08-06-2005, 15:30
Right now... I'd have to say my "Mitleid" is for my best friend.

I had thought I had it pretty bad having two diseases (only one of which is actually deadly without treatment, the other is just a massive pain in the ass). But, I can still live my life and I have my freedom.

My best friend who is a bloody genius and well-read and a great student who was in the last lap of her quest for her Bachelor of Arts can no longer go to school or even go out of the house without help. No, she is not disabled physically or mentally. Physically she looks fine. Unfortunately, her blood isn't her friend. She used to collapse a lot. She's getting better, but, it looks like she's stuck with this for life.

Yes, she's had a lot of crap happen to her in her life and many of the students at our school were oddly against her at various points and there were problems between her parents at home. That I won't go into as it makes me realise how screwed up my family is.