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Due to lack of response in my previous thread "Corby is just perfect for the media" I've decided to make a simpler thread. Do you know who Schapelle corby is? Just answer the poll before you look at other people's replies.

Nope, do you know who this woman is? http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/people/03_people-woman.jpg

There have been several threads about her over the last few weeks, I know because I started the very first ( ;) ). You would get better replies if you waited until 4pm when students/parents get home from school or 6pm when even more people get home from work. You can't expect to post on an overdone topic in the middle of the day when no one is home or online and expect a large response.

I know who that woman is and I know that she's guilty.

I know who that woman is and I know that she's guilty.

As I said in another thread;

WHY would you smuggle marijuana from Australia to Indonesia? Where is the profit incentive?

Indonesia still needs drugs fool.

Just because they are worth more here does not mean she is innocent.

Maybe Corby is just dumb (as she most likely is)

As I said in another thread;

WHY would you smuggle marijuana from Australia to Indonesia? Where is the profit incentive?

Personal use?

(Not that I support marijuana laws).

Edit: And I just checked her out, she is not hot enough for me to care.

Indonesia still needs drugs fool.

Just because they are worth more here does not mean she is innocent.

Maybe Corby is just dumb (as she most likely is)

Don't call me a fool.

Marijuana is commonly available over there. It grows in the wild.

Personal use?

(Not that I support marijuana laws).

Edit: And I just checked her out, she is not hot enough for me to care.

She was caught with 4.5kg of the stuff, she must be one hell of a smoker :p

She was caught with 4.5kg of the stuff, she must be one hell of a smoker :p

Yah, actually I just checked her picture out when I posted that. Possibly I am wrong about the personal use thing. (though if she was going to be there for a while with friends, who knows).

Saying that, with that amount, it makes it seem like BS. As you said, why would you smuggle it out of Aus.?

Edit: And I just checked her out, she is not hot enough for me to care.

And that's why everyone thinks she's innocent... cause she looks it... :rolleyes:

And that's why everyone thinks she's innocent... cause she looks it... :rolleyes:

I don't think she's innocent because she look's it. I think she's innocent because an FBI criminal profiler read her body language and said that she was probably innocent.

I think none of us can safely say whether she is guilty or not since the only information we have been getting is from the media and that's a very one-sided view. It's all just an attempt to get high ratings (that is working) by making us feel sympathy for Corby, and making us feel anger to the already disliked Bali ever since the Bali Bombings. People who are easily twisted by the media this way obviosly watch too much ch 7, 10, and 9. Yes I know, I wrote something like this in my other thread.

I think she's innocent because an FBI criminal profiler read her body language and said that she was probably innocent.
keyword= probably

Well if "experts" can tell guilt or innocence just by body language why bother with trials. Just take a photo of the suspect, or beter still a bit of video, and let the FBI decide. After all justice would be perfectly safe in their hands. They never run hidden agendas.

Hold on ... a lot of people in dark sunglassses have just arrived at my door. I need to practice my innocent body language.

President J

:eek:

On the original topic, only she truly knows her guilt or otherwise.

keyword= probably

When were talking about an expert probably means more than bloody likely. If the profiler says that they think she's innocent, then we can be pretty damn sure that she is innocent.

Don't call me a fool.

Marijuana is commonly available over there. It grows in the wild.


indeed. a friend of mine went to indonesia on a gap year and says he could buy an ounce (of admittedly pretty weak stuff) for about 6 dollars :eek:

he stayed in this little fishing village where they grew it too, with house right on the waterfront, smoking all day & watching the sun set, for 2 months. bastard.

When were talking about an expert probably means more than bloody likely. If the profiler says that they think she's innocent, then we can be pretty damn sure that she is innocent.

Um, why does america have an interest in this. What's the FBI doing all the way over here? Besides, three judges found her guilty through a fair trail (different to the western way but just because we do it this way doesn't mean it's better for Indonesia to do it our way) and she was found guilty, be thankful that Indonesia only made her do 20 years.

:confused: What did she do wrong? :confused:

:confused: What did she do wrong? :confused:

She is accused (I'm not taking sides yet though I'm starting to doubt her innocence) of taking in 4.5 kg of Marijuana into Bali, Indonesia. She has been tried by the courts of Indonesia and has been sentenced 20 years, better then the other possible sentence of death.

Arrived in Bali with 4.5kg of marijuana in her luggage. Possession of which is usually punishable by death in most SE Asian countries.

And Commie Catholics, I do believe that Buffeytown has raised a valid point. If innocence or guilt can be determined by just profiling, why even bother with trials, courts and legal fees? We could just have FBI agents walking down the street, point at a random person and say "Ok, arrest that fellow. He's guilty as sin. Guilty of what? I don't know. I just know he's guilty"

Marvelous, you've done away with decades of criminal investigation techniques, criminology and every other trick in the book used by law enforcement agencies to actually determine the evidence used to identify criminals.

i dont really know if she is guilty, but i think she is alot more inocent than the bali 9


I dont really like indonesia so im happy to see the anger towards indonesia

what i dont get is if you remember the press conference when her mum (with a U not an O, stupid amerikans) said that she doesent want people to boycott bali cos she didnt want the balineese to suffer, but she was more than happy to boycott qantas, BUT people working for qantas are australian, so she wants australians to suffer not indonesians?

I think she should look at a map and realise that the Gold Coast is not a country and that the country she lives in is AUSTRALIA

Then again, what do you expect from someone NOT from Victoria :D

i dont really know if she is guilty, but i think she is alot more inocent than the bali 9


I dont really like indonesia so im happy to see the anger towards indonesia

what i dont get is if you remember the press conference when her mum (with a U not an O, stupid amerikans) said that she doesent want people to boycott bali cos she didnt want the balineese to suffer, but she was more than happy to boycott qantas, BUT people working for qantas are australian, so she wants australians to suffer not indonesians?

I think she should look at a map and realise that the Gold Coast is not a country and that the country she lives in is AUSTRALIA

Then again, what do you expect from someone NOT from Victoria :D


Please note: this person does not represent most Victorians.
All the mother was trying to do was say that it wasn't her daughter's fault. If QANTAS is at fault here they are more at fault then Bali, all Indonesia is doing is it's job and you can't blame them for protecting their own country.

People shouldn't boycott Indonesia, because of this simple twist of words in the news people are actually demanding their donations back that they made. Hell, some of these Donations weren't even to Indonesia. Some people are asking for their donations back made to the tsunami victims...

where u live, like city/town

She is accused (I'm not taking sides yet though I'm starting to doubt her innocence) of taking in 4.5 kg of Marijuana into Bali, Indonesia. She has been tried by the courts of Indonesia and has been sentenced 20 years, better then the other possible sentence of death.I still don't see what she did wrong. I'm aware that possession/transport/sale of canabis is a crime in practically every part of the world, but do people, Australians in particular, think the punishment fits the crime? I sure don't.

I still don't see what she did wrong. I'm aware that possession/transport/sale of canabis is a crime in practically every part of the world, but do people, Australians in particular, think the punishment fits the crime? I sure don't.

It suits Indonesia. Besides she only got 20 years, she was going to get the death sentence.

And that's why everyone thinks she's innocent... cause she looks it... :rolleyes:

Appearing innocent is a criminal asset. Such looks can never fool someone who comes from a paradise of crime.

It suits Indonesia. Besides she only got 20 years, she was going to get the death sentence.Ah, so that is why this is such a big story. I wish everybody thought that "only 20 years" for possession of marijuana possession was as absurd as I do.

Ah, so that is why this is such a big story. I wish everybody thought that "only 20 years" for possession of marijuana possession was as absurd as I do.

Was there not a case where people caught in possession of marijuana in the United States were sentenced to over 20 years? Where is the outrage of Australians over that? Or is it only because an Australian was sentenced to jail this time?

Besides, if you had a choice, which do you choose? Death by hanging (I assume they use that method of legal executions in Indonesia), or 20 years in jail where you walk out alive? As Corby cannot prove her innocence, or at least her legal defence could not, she had the recieved a lenient sentence by court standards.

And when I say lenient, I do believe that capital punishment is usually the highest level of punishment that courts can mete out to a person where it is legal.

if you had a choice, which do you choose? Death by hanging (I assume they use that method of legal executions in Indonesia), or 20 years in jail where you walk out alive? As Corby cannot prove her innocence, or at least her legal defence could not, she had the recieved a lenient sentence by court standards.

You know...that doesn't alter Battery Charger's point even slightly. So she could have gotten an even more hideously excessive sentence than she did. That doesn't mean the sentence she got wasn't hideously excessive.

When we're talking about an expert probably means more than bloody likely. If the profiler says that they think she's innocent, then we can be pretty damn sure that she is innocent.

What!!!!!!!
1) "Experts" can be wrong - and frequently are.
2) You can't be sure of anything about another person - only they know for sure. Best we can do is a fair trial.
3) Judging guilt or innocence from body language is as bogus as it gets.

Get real Commie.

President J

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You know...that doesn't alter Battery Charger's point even slightly. So she could have gotten an even more hideously excessive sentence than she did. That doesn't mean the sentence she got wasn't hideously excessive.

And I suppose you would have a more appropriate deterrent in mind?

Remember, the primary purpose of the courts and law enforcement system is NOT to stop crime. Rather, it is to deter it by showing it does not pay. If Corby was convicted and yet she walks away free, where is the deterrent to prevent future drug dealings?

Punishments for crimes are usually determined by the damage they do, be it the individual, society or government. Indonesia has determined drugs to be of extreme detriment to the society, hence the set of punishments for drug possession. Perhaps because drug abuse is not overly rampant in Australia, the citizens do not see it as particularly damaging, and thus unfair. But in Indonesia, the problem is severe enough for them to warrant this level of punishment.

So, why is it excessive?

And please do not use the reasoning that she could be innocent. By court conviction, she is guilty and as such, must face the legal consequences. The debate now is whether her punishment was equal to the crime she was charged with.

i dont really know if she is guilty, but i think she is alot more inocent than the bali 9


I dont really like indonesia so im happy to see the anger towards indonesia

what i dont get is if you remember the press conference when her mum (with a U not an O, stupid amerikans) said that she doesent want people to boycott bali cos she didnt want the balineese to suffer, but she was more than happy to boycott qantas, BUT people working for qantas are australian, so she wants australians to suffer not indonesians?

I think she should look at a map and realise that the Gold Coast is not a country and that the country she lives in is AUSTRALIA

Then again, what do you expect from someone NOT from Victoria :D

Flamebaiting?

Flamebaiting?

President Beeblebrox. Nice to see that we've got another hitchhiker here. There's a region you may want to join, ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha. I'm not in it but it looks good.

Everyone seems to think that the Indonesian's were fairly rough on this, but what were they expected to do? Just hand back a suspected criminal to Australia? I know Australia wouldn't do that. If someone from Indonesia entered Australia with a bag full of drugs do you think the courts are going to just send them back? Hell no, the courts have to follow the law and by doing that they have to sentence this criminal, if found guilty (which, may I remind you, is what Corby was found after their fair trail). Actually if an Indonesian came into Australia the press would be all over them, but would it be so sympathetic? No, it would be broadcasting live a court case of that "bastard of an Indonesian" person who tried to smuggle drugs into Australia. The fact is that all the court could do is follow it's law, with no exeptions while the media used it for ratings.

I believe she is innocent , it just doesnt stack up
...She had family living there , had been there before surely if you absolutely must have a smoke then they would know someone locally that could hook her up with some smoke
...stash your 4.5kg of weed in a boogieboard bag ??? At very least its stupid
...Cant fingerprint the bag of smoke because indonesian customs all had a grope of the evidence bag
... misunderstanding or miscommunication at the airport between Schapelle and customs officer
...footage at sydney airport deleted (routine not unusual)
... Australian governments SUDDEN urge to properly secure airports and dig out the SUBSTANTIAL (their words) criminal element working at Australian Airports .If shes guilty these people dont actually exist ...oh wait they got done transporting cocaine not pot , no they'd never do that


Not to mention the lenient treatment by Indo standards , they only got pissed about this case when the aussie media (fucking leeches) climbed all over the case , they may have let her off the hook , got great ratings though so I guess thats what is really important

Theres a mexican woman currently serving a seven year sentence in Bali for carrying FIFTEEN kilograms of pot

lets see 15 kilos - 7 years
4.5 kilos - 20 years

Fair ??

I believe she is innocent , it just doesnt stack up
...She had family living there , had been there before surely if you absolutely must have a smoke then they would know someone locally that could hook her up with some smoke
...stash your 4.5kg of weed in a boogieboard bag ??? At very least its stupid
...Cant fingerprint the bag of smoke because indonesian customs all had a grope of the evidence bag
... misunderstanding or miscommunication at the airport between Schapelle and customs officer
...footage at sydney airport deleted (routine not unusual)
... Australian governments SUDDEN urge to properly secure airports and dig out the SUBSTANTIAL (their words) criminal element working at Australian Airports .If shes guilty these people dont actually exist ...oh wait they got done transporting cocaine not pot , no they'd never do that


Not to mention the lenient treatment by Indo standards , they only got pissed about this case when the aussie media (fucking leeches) climbed all over the case , they may have let her off the hook , got great ratings though so I guess thats what is really important


Yeah but we havn't really heard the arguments that customs put forwards. The media has been holding back, to be honest it didn't need to tell us in the first place.
Oh, she did say to customs what was inside the bag before she opened it. This doesn't prove her guilt but it does raise some suspicion on the case, who wouldn't notice a bag bulging full of drugs?

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Oh, she did say to customs what was inside the bag before she opened it. This doesn't prove her guilt but it does raise some suspicion on the case, who wouldn't notice a bag bulging full of drugs?

No she didnt say what was in the bag first , Ive heard that elsewhere and I believe its getting muddled chinese whispers style . in HER version of events she identified the bag as hers was asked to open it , noticed the zippers were not where she had them , opened the bag and her life went to shit right there .

The Customs officer has a completely different version

Dumb Question , do bags get weighed and tagged when you check in for international flight ? 4.5kg is a big difference