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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/07/kerry.grades.ap/index.html

BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- Sen. John F. Kerry's grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year -- in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest grade -- in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968.



Bush got 77, Kerry got 76,

Who's Smarter now?

(I'm not a republican, so dont say this is republican propoganda.
hell, I'm not even a democrat.)

Kerry got a D in Political Science? sad!

You know. Grades aren't about IQ but effort. This doesn't show Kerry's dumber, it just says he cared slightly less about his grades than Bush.

Still, effort is pretty important in the office of our president, and its hard to imagine our almost president got a D in POLITICAL SCIENCE!

Bush also has to be pretty smart to get an 88 in anthropology and phlosophy

You know. Grades aren't about IQ but effort. This doesn't show Kerry's dumber, it just says he cared slightly less about his grades than Bush.

The point is that, if he didn't care enoguh about his future and his grades, why would he care about America.

I think he should drop it, though. I don't think anyone cares. I know I don't.

and its hard to imagine our almost president got a D in POLITICAL SCIENCE!That's partly why he lost.

At that age, we are much different than we are when we're older.

So to say that his grades are relevant now is crap. Its what he's done since.

Grades only determine how you were able to do in the subject. One you have your certificate/diploma, employers don't give a shit what your grades were.

So, in this case the employer is the voter... why do you care about grades? Would't you think it;s more important to consider his actions as a politician?

Bush owns the media...well, most of it. (not literally)

Kerry got a D in Political Science? sad!
I guess you didn't read your entire post?

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest grade -- in political science as a senior.

However, Kerry's D's pale in comparison to Bush's current F in foreign policy.

At least now we know when the leftists start claiming their candidate is sooo intelligent, the bar is placed at an affirmative action altitude. It's actually kind of sad they would portray that fool as some sort of intellectual all the while slandering Bush. Maybe they should bring out their heavy hitters in Academia for 2008 and send Ward Churchill to the plate. Yet they still don't understand why they keep losing!
I really feel bad for the Democratic party. To have your party taken over and be kicked out of it is bad enough, but for the likes of what infests it now is just plain pathetic.

I guess you didn't read your entire post?

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest grade -- in political science as a senior.

However, Kerry's D's pale in comparison to Bush's current F in foreign policy.

Which is entirely opinion. 51% of American voters felt otherwise.

At that age, we are much different than we are when we're older.

So to say that his grades are relevant now is crap. Its what he's done since.

Grades only determine how you were able to do in the subject. One you have your certificate/diploma, employers don't give a shit what your grades were.

So, in this case the employer is the voter... why do you care about grades? Would't you think it;s more important to consider his actions as a politician?

Ah but you don't understand. It was the marxist machinery that decided this was an important issue. It was them that decided to attack Bush on his grades while Kerry refused to release his. Kerry and the left in this country have been a bunch of frauds for years, this is just one more example of it.

Yeah but Bush was drunk during his years in college and Kerry wasn't

So Bush is so smart that he can outsmart Kerry when he's drunk

I think this thread is an indicator that all sides selectively choose whatever evidence suits them best. No one's mind is going to be changed; all it does is highlight blatant hypocracy on both sides.

In a contest between Doofus and Goofus, who are both the products of political families and are in it for personal success rather than any real belief in serving the country, everyone loses. Until the country gets the guts to elect someone who has the means to find the answers rather than someone who has glib soundbyte "answers" to our ills, we're just going to continue to get the leaders we deserve.

Yeah but Bush was drunk during his years in college and Kerry wasn't

So Bush is so smart that he can outsmart Kerry when he's drunk

:rolleyes: Don't talk.

Heh, who wasn't/isn't drunk their college years?

Which is entirely opinion. 51% of American voters felt otherwise.
Not entirely opinion according to most recent polls:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A majority of Americans do not believe it was worth going to war in Iraq, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

Fifty-seven percent of those polled said they did not believe it was worth going to war, versus 41 percent who said it was, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 1,006 adults.

Therefore, the F in foreign policy.

At that age, we are much different than we are when we're older.

So to say that his grades are relevant now is crap. Its what he's done since.

Grades only determine how you were able to do in the subject. One you have your certificate/diploma, employers don't give a shit what your grades were.

So, in this case the employer is the voter... why do you care about grades? Would't you think it;s more important to consider his actions as a politician?

To true, You shouldn't bother so much about what happens before now and what happens in their personal life, all that matters is how they are doing now. And Bush is terrible, so it might have been better the other way around...
But back to the point everyone was in shock and it became common Knowledge when Clinton had an affair, but did any of that matter?

I guess you didn't read your entire post?

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 -- his highest grade -- in political science as a senior.

However, Kerry's D's pale in comparison to Bush's current F in foreign policy.

My grade scale he would be getting a B+ in foreign policy

"It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish" - Aeschylus (525 - 456 BC)

Some tricks never go out of style.

Not entirely opinion according to most recent polls:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A majority of Americans do not believe it was worth going to war in Iraq, according to a national poll released Tuesday.

Fifty-seven percent of those polled said they did not believe it was worth going to war, versus 41 percent who said it was, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll of 1,006 adults.

Therefore, the F in foreign policy.
Oh, SNAP!

That's a burn about a burn - it's a second-degree burn!

I was just trying to prove a point that kerry isnt as Intellectual as democrats propoganda put him out to be, but they are both stupid morons, and you shoud have all voted my way!

Which is entirely opinion. 51% of American voters felt otherwise.

Considering that if the opinions on this board are any indicator, it could be entirely possible that the 51% of those voters just didn't care about foreign policies at all.

Correction: Not caring about other countries at all. That is unless they are beating said country over the head. Then they want it crushed.

Can we stop repeat-posting this thread? This is the third one I know of, possibly more.

My grade scale he would be getting a B+ in foreign policy

That's a hell of a curve. If space curved like that the world might very well be flat.

"It is a profitable thing, if one is wise, to seem foolish" - Aeschylus (525 - 456 BC)

Some tricks never go out of style.

Which still means that my biggest complaint about Dubya is the same as the complaint I used to have about Marilyn Manson. He himself is unimportant, but the world would be better off without his fans.

That's a hell of a curve. If space curved like that the world might very well be flat.

Here's the last decade of grade inflation.
http://gradeinflation.com/
Been rather consistent don’t you think?

Other sources show a remarkable switch in the A and B to C and below ratios. Simply put, Bush and Kerry would both likely be B caliber students today.

Grades are less an indicator of intelligence than they are an indicator of effort and test taking skills. This has already been partially said. But all anyone had to do was watch just 1 of the 3 debates between the two men to know who was the more intellectually inclined. Even ignoring Bush's tendency to mix up words and make up new ones (or coin new phrases if you'd like to be nice); he failed to adhere to the rules of the debate and also used circular logic to try and 'prove' his points. He'd have been disqualified in a collegiate debate.

And yet somehow he still got re-elected. I honestly, really truly honestly, don't get it. :(