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Do you belive in aurora spy plane ?

Willink
07-06-2005, 23:53
After much speculation, i have come to my oppinion that the aurora spy plane is real, and i hope to hear your oppinions. For non military ppl, here is a large amount of info-
From abovetopsecret.net or whatever



Background
Does the United States Air Force or one of America's intelligence agencies have a secret hypersonic aircraft capable of a Mach 6 performance? Continually growing evidence suggests that the answer to this question is yes. Perhaps the most well-known event which provides evidence of such a craft's existence is the sighting of a triangular plane over the North Sea in August 1989 by oil-exploration engineer Chris Gibson. As well as the famous "skyquakes" heard over Los Angeles since the early 1990s, found to be heading for the secret Groom Lake (Area 51) installation in the Nevada desert, numerous other facts provide an understanding of how the aircraft's technology works. Rumored to exist but routinely denied by U.S. officials, the name of this aircraft is Aurora.

The outside world uses the name Aurora because a censor's slip let it appear below the SR-71 Blackbird and U-2 in the 1985 Pentagon budget request. Even if this was the actual name of the project, it would have by now been changed after being compromised in such a manner.

The plane's real name has been kept a secret along with its existence. This is not unfamiliar though, the F-117a stealth fighter was kept a secret for over ten years after its first pre-production test flight. The project is what is technically known as a Special Access Program (SAP). More often, such projects are referred to as "black programs."

So what was the first sign of the existence of such an aircraft? On 6 March 1990, one of the United States Air Force's Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird spyplanes shattered the official air speed record from Los Angeles to Washington's Dulles Airport. There, a brief ceremony marked the end of the SR-71's operational career. Officially, the SR-71 was being retired to save the $200-$300 million a year it cost to operate the fleet. Some reporters were told the plane had been made redundant by sophisticated spy satellites.

But there was one problem, the USAF made no opposition towards the plane's retirement, and congressional attempts to revive the program were discouraged. Never in the history of the USAF had a program been closed without opposition. Aurora is the missing factor to the silent closure of the SR-71 program.

Testing such a new radical aircraft brings immense costs and inconvenience, not just in the design and development of a prototype aircraft, but also in providing a secret testing place for aircraft that are obviously different from those the public are aware of.

Groom Dry Lake, in the Nevada desert, is home to one of America's elite secret proving grounds. Here is Aurora's most likely test location. Comparing today's Groom Lake with images of the base in the 1970s, it is apparent that many of the larger buildings and hangars were added during the following decade. Also, the Groom Lake test facility has a lake-bed runway that is six miles long, twice as long as the longest normal runways in the United States. The reason for such a long runway is simple: the length of a runway is determined either by the distance an aircraft requires to accelerate to flying speed, or the distance that the aircraft needs to decelerate after landing. That distance is proportional to the speed at which lift-off takes place. Usually, very long runways are designed for aircraft with very high minimum flying speeds, and, as is the case at Edwards AFB, these are aircraft that are optimized for very high maximum speeds. Almost 19,000 feet of the runway at Groom Lake is paved for normal operations.

Lockheed's Skunk Works, now the Lockheed Advanced Development Company, is the most likely prime contractor for the Aurora aircraft. Throughout the 1980s, financial analysts concluded that Lockheed had been engaged in several large classified projects. However, they weren't able to identify enough of them to account for the company's income.

Technically, the Skunk Works has a unique record of managing large, high-risk programs under an incredible unparalleled secrecy. Even with high-risk projects the company has undertaken, Lockheed has a record of providing what it promises to deliver.

Hypersonic Speed

By 1945, only a small amount of jets had the capability of reaching speeds of 500mph. In 1960, aircraft that could exceed 1,500mph were going into squadron service. Aircraft capable of 2,000mph were under development and supposed to enter service by 1965. This was a four-fold increase in speed in two decades.

From this, the next logical step was to achieve hypersonic speed. The definition of hypersonic isn't as clearly defined as supersonic, but aerodynamicists consider that the hypersonic realm starts when the air in front of the vehicle's leading edges "stagnates": a band of air is trapped, unable to flow around the vehicle, and reaches extremely high pressures and temperatures. The edge of the hypersonic regime lies at a speed of roughly one mile per second - 3,600mph or Mach 5.4.

What is regarded by many as the most successful experimental aircraft program in USAF history, the X-15 rocketplane was created in response to a requirement issued by NASA (then NACA) for an air-launched manned research vehicle with a maximum speed of more than Mach 6 and a maximum altitude of more than fifty miles.

The X-15 program, which involved three test aircraft, went on to exceed all goals set and provided valuable data which has been used on many high speed/altitude aircraft of today, including NASA spacecraft, and most likely, the Aurora aircraft.

In the early 1960s, Lockheed and the USAF Flight Dynamics Laboratory began a hypersonic research program which would provide data on travel at hypersonic speed as well as more efficient shapes for hypersonic vehicles. From this program came the FDL-5 research vehicle, which beared an amazing resemblance to the North Sea Aurora sighting of Chris Gibson. Building on both the FDL-5 Project and Aurora, the aircraft which may have been seen over the North Sea could have been Northrop's A-17 stealth attack plane.

Possible forms of hypersonic propulsion that Aurora could be using include:

Pulse Detonation Wave Engines
Pulsejet Engines
Advanced Ramjets
Hypersonic Requirements

There are three reasons why the North Sea sketch drawn by Chris Gibson is the most persuasive rendition of the Aurora vehicle. Firstly, the observer's qualifications, with which he couldn't identify the aircraft; which would have been instantaneous if the aircraft was known to the "white world". Second is the fact that the North Sea aircraft corresponds almost perfectly in shape and size to hypersonic aircraft studies carried out by McDonnell Douglas and the USAF during the 1970s and 1980s. The third factor is that the North Sea aircraft looks unlike anything else. No aircraft other than a high-supersonic vehicle, or a test aircraft for such a vehicle, has ever been built or studied with a similiar planform.

At hypersonic speeds, traditional aerodynamic design gives way to aero-thermodynamic design. In order for a hypersonic vehicle to remain structurally intact at such high speeds and stresses, the vehicle must produce minimum drag and be free of design features that give rise to concentrations of heat. The aircraft design must be able to spread the heat over the surface of the structure.

Thermal management is critical to high-speed aircraft, especially hypersonic vehicles. Skin friction releases heat energy into the aircraft and must be pumped out again if the vehicle is to have any endurance. The only way to do this is to heat the fuel before it enters the engine, and dump the heat through the exhaust. On a hypersonic vehicle, thermal management is very critical, the cooling capacity of the fuel must be used carefully and efficiently or else the range and endurance of the aircraft will be limited by heating rather than the actual fuel tank capacity.



So how will an aircraft reach such speeds? Conventional turbojet engines won't be able to handle the incoming airstreams at such speeds, they can barely handle transonic speeds. In the case of hypersonic propulsion, an aero-thermodynamic duct, or ramjet, is the only engine proven to work efficiently at such speeds. Even ramjets have drawbacks though, such as drag created in the process of slowing down and compressing a Mach 6 airstream.

To make a ramjet engine efficient is to spread the air over the entire length of the body. In a hypersonic ramjet aircraft, the entire underside of the forward body acts as a ramp that compresses the air, and the entire underside of the tail is an exhaust nozzle. So much air underneath the aircraft serves another purpose, it keeps the plane up.

The ramjets need a large inlet area to provide the high thrust needed for Mach 6 cruise. As a result, the engines occupy a large area beneath vehicle and the need to accomodate a large quantity of fuel means that an all-body shape is most feasible.



Structurally, the all-body shape is highly efficient. As well as being extremely aerodynamic, the average cross-sectional area being very large provides a great deal of space for load, equipment and fuel. This being inside a structure that is light and compact having a relatively small surface area to generate frictional drag.

The spyplane's airframe may incorporate stealth technology, but it doesn't really require it should its mission simply involve high altitude reconnaissance. Hypersonic aircraft are much harder to shoot down than a ballistic missile. Although a hypersonic plane isn't very maneuverable, its velocity is such that even a small turn puts it miles away from a SAM's projected interception point.




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Choosing The Right Fuel
Choosing the right type of fuel is crucial to the success of Aurora. Because various sections of the craft will reach cruising-speed temperatures ranging from 1,000 degrees fahrenheit to more than 1,400 degrees fahrenheit, its fuel must both provide energy for the engines and act as a structural coolant extracting destructive heat from the plane's surface.

At hypersonic speeds, even exotic kerosene such as the special high-flashpoint JP-7 fuel used by the SR-71 Blackbird can't absorb enough heat. The plausible solution is cryogenic fuel.

The best possibilities are methane and hydrogen. Liquid hydrogen provides more than three times as much energy and absorbs six times more heat per pound than any other fuel. The downfall is its low density, which means larger fuel tanks, a larger airframe and more drag. While liquid hydrogen is the fuel of choice for spacelaunch vehicles that accelerate quickly out of the atmosphere, studies have shown that liquid methane is better for an aircraft cruising at Mach 5 to Mach 7. Methane is widely available, provides more energy than jet fuels, and can absorb five times as much heat as kerosene. Compared with liquid hydrogen, it is three times denser and easier to handle.

Current Knowledge of Aurora

On 16 November 1998, a camcorder video was taken of a mysterious "fireball" in the sky. While this was very interesting, what was even more amazing was the aircraft which was seen shortly after flying at very high speed producing the mysterious "donuts-on-a-rope" contrails. Does this video, which is currently undergoing intense study at JPL, show the mysterious Aurora spyplane?
Tactical Grace
07-06-2005, 23:55
A Mach 6 spy plane is really going to be of use in a security environment where you're up against mountain goat farmers. :rolleyes:

Someone forgot to cancel the Reagan-era anti-commie projects. :p
Willink
07-06-2005, 23:58
You never know, those Goats my have Nukes strapped to there bellies.
Texpunditistan
08-06-2005, 00:13
Bah. I'd say screw spyplanes, but they can be unpredictable where spy satellites are predictable in flight path, orbit and timing.

I'm more interested in satellite launched rod weapons and orbital laser technology.
Willink
08-06-2005, 00:18
The United state's MIRLC(i think thats it) can shoot down satillites though, and china is developing blow torch like laser weapons that can shoot down satillites and space shuttles.
Texpunditistan
08-06-2005, 00:20
The United state's MIRLC(i think thats it) can shoot down satillites though, and china is developing blow torch like laser weapons that can shoot down satillites and space shuttles.
That was my whole point. Spyplanes are unpredictable on when and where you deploy them, making them more effective, in certain cases, than satellites.
New Shiron
08-06-2005, 00:23
I used to think we had it, especially since the evidence is pretty good and Black programs like the Stealth aircraft remained secret for over decade (each). I wonder though if we still have the program, how many were built (probably just a couple) and if they simply were replaced by high altitude stealth drones (as referred to in Tom Clancy's book Eagle and the Dragon)

drones would be cheaper to operate and a lot easier to live with politically if shot down by say China or Russia or Iran (by some miracle in their case).

I also wonder if that Aurore, assuming it existed, was a prototype for a single stage to orbit shuttle design? It would certainly make since, as the technology to build an Aurore would fit well with building a aerospace plane.
Willink
08-06-2005, 00:28
I belive they are helping in that new space shuttle thing, the X-30(pic (http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/nasp08.jpg))
Dominus Gloriae
08-06-2005, 00:38
New Shiron makes a good point, drones are cheaper, and they are real the FX-45 UCAV is a joint Boeing/Grumman project which is a fully autonomous air to air combat capable drone. Mach 4.5 to mach 6 would be to fast for good photography for the kind of spying that will be necessary in the 21st century it wouldnt surprise me if the old Westland Lysander got dusted off and updated avionics suites. The JSF is also real its the F/A-39 I believe is the designation for it it compares very favorably to the aircraft used for the upcoming film "stealth" you conspiracy freaks can chew on that one for a bit. As for aurora, the J-37 spaceplane was cancled, what this 1998 film might show is a test of this scramjet technology or an ion engine, just like Star Wars, that certainly is what it sounds like, an ion engine works by expelling positively charged ions of H3 and exploding them, this pushes the aircraft or spacecraft forward,the problem with them is however that they have a 0-60 time of something like 10.45 Minutes, but once they get going they are very hard to stop.
Mentholyptus
08-06-2005, 01:38
I belive they are helping in that new space shuttle thing, the X-30(pic (http://www.fas.org/irp/mystery/nasp08.jpg))
You do realize that
(A) That got canceled. A while ago, if I'm not mistaken.

(B) The Aurora is totally separate from an SSTO project. Different purposes, and Aurora would never make it to space. It was designed to cruise around 20 miles, I think. Also, I don't think Lockheed/secret projects would collaborate on a very well-publicized shuttle replacement.
Mentholyptus
08-06-2005, 01:40
what this 1998 film might show is a test of this scramjet technology or an ion engine, just like Star Wars, that certainly is what it sounds like, an ion engine works by expelling positively charged ions of H3 and exploding them, this pushes the aircraft or spacecraft forward,the problem with them is however that they have a 0-60 time of something like 10.45 Minutes, but once they get going they are very hard to stop.
An ion engine could never get off the ground. It doesn't have the thrust to counter air friction and/or gravity. Ion engines are useful only in space, and were used on the Deep Space missions. They used some ion (I think it was Cl-, but I could be mistaken) to generate a very small amount of thrust, but the cumulative effect was enormous. As for scramjets, the first real success was on NASA's Hyper-X project, which was tested quite recently, not in 1998 as you imply.
Nadkor
08-06-2005, 01:45
hell, yea, remember aurora

*leaves*
Tekania
08-06-2005, 17:55
-snip-



It's also a note that Rockwell Intl. Aerospace (now a division of Boeing) classified materials persuant to the "Aerospace Plane" subsequent to the retiring of the SR-71 Blackbird. Technologies for the plane included "Scram-Jet" (A combinatory Turbo/Ram-Jet and rocket engine, which runs off of solid-fuel in pellet form)... Technology capalble of exceeding Mach 6, and attain suborbital flight for extended durations.... Technology which would have certainly been used in the Aurora if it exists.
Willink
08-06-2005, 22:38
Noted aerospace analyst Wolfgang Demisch, of First Boston Company, suggested that the $10 billion program would result in the production of about 30 aircraft.<43> More recently, Kemper Security analyst Lawrence Harris concluded that Lockheed was involved in a:<44>

"... hypersonic replacement for the Mach 3 plus SR-71 reconnaissance aircraft. Circumstantial evidence suggests that this project has been underway since 1987 and that a first flight occurred in 1989... Aurora could be operational in 1995, six years after the probable first flight."

This analysis suggested that the total development costs for Aurora might range from $4.4 billion to $8 billion, with the procurement of 24 aircraft costing an additional $10 billion to $24 billion.

According to another report, by mid-1992:<45>

"... Aurora was being flown from a base in the Nevada desert to an atoll in the Pacific, then on to Scotland to refuel before returning to the US at night. Specially modified tanker aircraft are being used to top up Aurora's tanks with liquid methane fuel in mid-air... The US Air Force is using the remote RAF airbase at Machrihanish, Strathclyde, as a staging point... The mystery aircraft has been dropping in at night before streaking back to America across the North Pole at more than six times the speed of sound... An F-111 fighter bomber is scrambling as the black-painted aircraft lands, flying in close formation to confuse prying civilian radars."
Lunatic Goofballs
08-06-2005, 22:51
I've detected the Aurora.

Seriously. Here is my speculation:

I was in the U.S. Navy working as an EW technician on an aircraft carrier. I was standing watch on the AN SLQ-32 ESM/ECM console. It is in essense, a super-duper radar detector.

One day, in the Caribbean, off the coast of St. Thomas, I detected an odd target. It was a high frequency multi-purpose military aircraft radar. What was odd about it was how rapidly it was changing positions on the display. I transferred the information to a second console that allows me to diiseminate information and compare it to the battle group's contacts and radar targets. It corresponded to an unknown track at an altitude of 50,000 feet and about 12 miles from the ship. Traveling in a circle around us at better than Mach 5! Well, a few minutes later, the TAO(Tactical Action Officer) comes back and informs us that it's apparently a radar reflection off of high cloud cover. He suggests that what we were picking up was a reflection of our own airsearch radar. Except for the fact that our airsearch radar runs at a different frequency, pulse width and scan pattern.

I was told to drop it.

So I suspect that I was detecting the Aurora. I think it isn't stationed in Nevada at all. I suspect it is stationed in Puerto Rico or South Florida. Or it was at the time. With the Serbian situation and the Mid-east crisis at the time, It would make a more logical base of operations for a military spyplane.

I think it was taking a peek at us.
Syniks
08-06-2005, 23:26
I've detected the Aurora.

Seriously. Here is my speculation:

I was in the U.S. Navy working as an EW technician on an aircraft carrier. I was standing watch on the AN SLQ-32 ESM/ECM console. It is in essense, a super-duper radar detector.

One day, in the Caribbean, off the coast of St. Thomas, I detected an odd target. It was a high frequency multi-purpose military aircraft radar. What was odd about it was how rapidly it was changing positions on the display. I transferred the information to a second console that allows me to diiseminate information and compare it to the battle group's contacts and radar targets. It corresponded to an unknown track at an altitude of 50,000 feet and about 12 miles from the ship. Traveling in a circle around us at better than Mach 5! Well, a few minutes later, the TAO(Tactical Action Officer) comes back and informs us that it's apparently a radar reflection off of high cloud cover. He suggests that what we were picking up was a reflection of our own airsearch radar. Except for the fact that our airsearch radar runs at a different frequency, pulse width and scan pattern.

I was told to drop it.

So I suspect that I was detecting the Aurora. I think it isn't stationed in Nevada at all. I suspect it is stationed in Puerto Rico or South Florida. Or it was at the time. With the Serbian situation and the Mid-east crisis at the time, It would make a more logical base of operations for a military spyplane.

I think it was taking a peek at us.
Then James Earl Jones says..." you heard the torpedo detonate on contact... and I was never here..." :p
Lunatic Goofballs
09-06-2005, 03:17
Then James Earl Jones says..." you heard the torpedo detonate on contact... and I was never here..." :p

Then who the hell is talking to me?!? :confused:
Tekania
09-06-2005, 15:33
Then James Earl Jones says..." you heard the torpedo detonate on contact... and I was never here..." :p

Government secrecy can be cool, when you're in it.

(USN 1991-1997, TS:SCI)