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Marijuana Laws in Canada ~ By Kayle Hatt

Istenert
07-06-2005, 22:44
Thesis: Our new, hightened understanding of marijuana and its effects make it rather clear that Canada's Marijuana laws are outdated, and traditional reasons for prohibition are no longer valid and Canada's laws should be reformaed in favor of complete legalization.

Myths of Prohibition

Marijuana is medically harmful to users and therefor should be banned to protect people's health - Multiple studes have shown that moderate marijuana use is less harmfull than alcohol or cigaretes, wich are not banned. It is truethat in the 70's and early 80's some studies showed that use was harmful (or even causes brain damage) but no evidence has come to light that discredits these. The US Government controlled all access to marijuana for rsearch proposes and since they only approved select requests, a large number of studies ended up with results that favored prohibition. Most of these results were lated used in prohibition propganda, wich is why this myth is so dominate today. These studies are no longer considered creditable (even the senate of Canada dismessed most of them), most of the studies were done on rats using unrealistic proprtions and the few studies that used human subjects were not long-term as in the modern standard.

IN FACT, Marijuana is actually good for you in many respects, it has been shown effective in preventing heart disease, high blood pressure, heart attacks, certain types of cancers, Parkinson's disease and arthritis. On top of that, the Canadian Government issues medical marijuana to help AIDS and Cancer patients and thoes who suffer from Multiple Sclerosis, Spinal Cord Disease (or an Injury), Epilepsy, cancer and sever forms or Arthritis. When Health Canada issues this drug, or any drug for that matter, it provides a warning of side effects; the only side effect that Health Canada feels important for those using medical marijuana are thoes related to being high such as "dizziness".

Marijuana causes laziness also known as amotivational syndrom - Those who support prohibition have often clamied that marijuana users become apathetic and uninterested in their future, meaning that using marijuana could literally ruin your life. Over the last 25 years reasearchers have studied this and revealed a much more complex relation.

IN FACT, workers who smoked marijuana in their spare time are more productive and make more money. Collage and Universty students who smoek marijuana have the same, or slightly higher grades than non-users. Use by high-school students often goes "hand-in-hand" with failure, but in most cases the failure is first.

Over time marijuana high deminishes encouraging users to move on to 'harder drugs' - This is half truth. The reality is taht the connections are far more complex. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drugs and less than 1% of users end up using cocain, heroin, or such hard drugs. Proponents of prohibition are quicker to point out that far less than 1% of the gernal population uses hard drugs and use this statist as evidence of the so-called 'gateway effect'.

IN TRUTH, there are other explanations for this. Senator Pierre Claude Noilin, chair of the Special Senate (Canadian) Committee on Illegal drugs states that this "relationship can be explained by proximity. Since marijuana smokers are forced to cope into regular contact with people who also sell hard drugs they are often encouraged to use those harder drugs". On top of that, a major modern concern is that street marijuana could be sold laced with hard drugs in an effort to get marijuana users addicted to more 'profitable drugs'.

Marijuana use drives people to a life of crime - It has been suggested thatmarijuana use encourages criminal activity as users try to pay for their habig. Although, the RCMP endorses this claim, they admit that there is no evidence oif this, in facnt they dont even keep records when a crime is motivated by marijuana use. According to Pierre Claude Nolin, most marijuanna users are emplyed (quite a few are well-employed) and, since mariajuana is relativly inexpensive drug, cost is not an issue with most users.

IN FACT, Criminal activity can be expaline dby two-fold by proximit. First, marijuana users are forced to buy weed from dealers who might encourage criminal behaviour. And secondly, criminal sor young people who get invovled in gangs come into regular contact with dealers and other users, who could encourage use. Both of these causes of crime are biproducts of prohibition and could be reduced if marijuana was sold in LCBO format.

Why We Should Legalize

Ending problems of Street Dealers - Legalizing marijuana would eliminate the problem of illegal street dealers and to some extent the gangs that protect them. After all, who would buy a product illegally in a dangerous setting if it could be baught elsewhere for the same price. The money from street sales of marijuana helps line the pockets of Organized crime and provides funding for other more harmful operations.

Ending 'Grow-Ops' - Grow Ops are prone to explode because of the dangerous gases produced when has oil is madefrom marijuana and because of faulty wiring used to bi-pass bydro meters and power hydroponic lights. These houses develop mold problems, because of the sami-tropical grow environment created inside, which makes the houses a health risk and no longer fit for human residence.

Preventing Other Crimes - when a Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs analysed the effects of prhibition they found that at least 10-20 million polive hours were spent each year on marijuana-related offences. The cost of this when you add in the cost of legal proceedings and impresonment of offenders, the cost of prohibition is between 1.5 and 3 billion dollars annually. This is time and money that could be used fight serious offences or the dealers of harder drugs...or lowering our tax burden.


And The Major Benifit of Legalization is (envelope please)...

Tax Releaf and Tax Money - Sounds cynical but so what!!! Canada's federal and provincial budgets are expected to double in the next 20 years and triple in 30. Tax revenue is expected to increase but not significantly since the baby boomers will be retireing. Pending on demographic shift or the end of our health care system (both unlikely) our government will be in hot water and billions of dolalrs short. When this happens governments are forced to find new sources of tax revenue.

When New Brunswick needed more tax money in 1986 they allowed and taxed slot machines and - although gambling was no less evil then it was before the move - they balinced their budget.

This is not likey in the case of marijuana, since the OPP concluds that the value of the Grow-Op industry in Ontario is over 5 billioin and the Report of the Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drug estimated the total value of the marijuana industry in Canada to be over 50 Billion making it one of Canada's largest commodities.

The economic injection value of this money who create masive economic spin-offs and the industry had a huge employment potential.


[some] Sources
http://www.normal.org/index.cfm?group_ID=6128
Interview with Allan Young on Novwmber 20th 2004
"Marijuana less harmful to lungs than cigarettes" Medical Post (Canadian Edition) [quebec] September 6 1994
"Pot less harmful than alcohol: Senate report" CBC News September 5 2002
"Cannabis: Report of the Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs" Toronto University of Toronto Press December 2003



Just a reminder, I didnt write this. Its a summary sheet I got and been waiting until I was born enough to type it all up :p
Harmino
07-06-2005, 23:57
the Report of the Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drug estimated the total value of the marijuana industry in Canada to be over 50 Billion making it one of Canada's largest commodities.

I love this country. Don't you?
Kryozerkia
08-06-2005, 00:02
Over time marijuana high deminishes encouraging users to move on to 'harder drugs' - This is half truth. The reality is taht the connections are far more complex. Most marijuana users never use any other illegal drugs and less than 1% of users end up using cocain, heroin, or such hard drugs. Proponents of prohibition are quicker to point out that far less than 1% of the gernal population uses hard drugs and use this statist as evidence of the so-called 'gateway effect'.

Oh and that getting high part?

It depends on the potency, and how you smoke it. A rolled joint, I find, is not as potent as that smoked with a pipe. You get more of the plant's kick back in the form of a sweet high.

Even after a year and a half of smoking, I still get wicked highs. This is in no way a gateway drug. But, yes I have experiemented with LSD (whatever, nopthing special) and some weird cactus crap... but I have no intentions of using those again...
Sumamba Buwhan
08-06-2005, 00:03
Just a reminder, I didnt write this. Its a summary sheet I got and been waiting until I was born enough to type it all up

I am so glad you were born enough to type this up! :P
Sumamba Buwhan
08-06-2005, 00:13
I love Canada too!

Tell me Canadians - can you get pot in any stores yet? I know you have some of the bvest stuff up there but is it all gotten thru underground dealers still?


Which parts of Canada are the most pot friendly?
The Chocolate Goddess
08-06-2005, 06:02
You can pretty much get it anywhere, you just have to ask the right person... i seem to be hearing a lot about the Sûreté du Québec making seizures, so i would say Québec is a marijuana friendly zone... but then again, i am from Quebec, so my opinion may be biased (or i am simply brainwashed by the local tv stations...)
International Terrans
08-06-2005, 06:13
See? Nice to see something like that being posted here.

Although I would dispute that statistic on it not being a gateway drug. The proportion may not be that high, and is probably very low, but no way in hell is is 1%. In my experience about 1/5 pot smokers goes on to try something harder, and thats a conservative estimate.

I've never heard about pot being sold in stores here, but dealers are commonplace and it's dead easy to get your hands on it. It really is good, though.
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 06:15
Oh and that getting high part?

It depends on the potency, and how you smoke it. A rolled joint, I find, is not as potent as that smoked with a pipe. You get more of the plant's kick back in the form of a sweet high.

Even after a year and a half of smoking, I still get wicked highs. This is in no way a gateway drug. But, yes I have experiemented with LSD (whatever, nopthing special) and some weird cactus crap... but I have no intentions of using those again...
The gate that's passed through is credibility. When someone takes a puff of marijuana and doesn't immediately playing the piano like a maniac and degenerate into Spekoli then the credibility is lost. If they where wrong about marijuana, then they might be wrong about speed, heroin, etc. Otherwise the gateway is spinning in place, becuase that's the first time you realise you can 'break' your head.

Thing that the prohabition folks mistake all the time is that the various different types of drug users don't really get along. Meth users find weed smokers to be tedious and weed smokers find meth people to be too uptight. Heroin users make everyone nervous.

I did the gently climbing method thing, ending on a mini-gravity bong. But I was burning through a lot of weed just to get high. Took a break, switched back to glass, and it's all gravy. And, living in NorCal, the stuff I get is fantastic. Years and years.
The Downmarching Void
08-06-2005, 06:34
The Weed is now also cheaper! When I started smoking Weed in the early to mid-nineties, a 1/4 oz. of Damn Good Stuff was $65.00 (cndn) now I could find the same amount of weed, but of MUCH better quality for $10.00 less.

I'm not sure how that came about, but I like it!

If enough people could be sold on the tax benefits alone from the Decriminalisation of Marijuana, it would get a lot of support from people who've never smoked a joint, but don't care if their neighbours do. Canada could also become a world leader in the procudtion and research of marijuan based medications & products, alternate textile fibres (good for paper, clothes, ropes etc.) and REALLY STRONG Weed.





I like business, its my friend.
Inebri-Nation
08-06-2005, 06:44
People who want to legalize marijuana should stop misrepersenting the truth - just leave that to the government

- Marijuana hasnt been "shown effective" to prevent any kind of cancer, but is known to increase the risks of may kinds of cancers (but yeah... cigerettes are still 100 times worse)

- and ... smoking pot does cause laziness... stoners dont see it... and ... dont relalize that they are stoners... but yeah... I live with 2 stoners - dont tell me smoking pot doenst make you lazy


but yeah.... It still should be legalized... and controlled by the government... save so much time and money
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 07:01
People who want to legalize marijuana should stop misrepersenting the truth - just leave that to the government

- Marijuana hasnt been "shown effective" to prevent any kind of cancer, but is known to increase the risks of may kinds of cancers (but yeah... cigerettes are still 100 times worse)

- and ... smoking pot does cause laziness... stoners dont see it... and ... dont relalize that they are stoners... but yeah... I live with 2 stoners - dont tell me smoking pot doenst make you lazy


but yeah.... It still should be legalized... and controlled by the government... save so much time and money
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4286435.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3561686.stm
and to be fair-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4244489.stm

In the case of your friends, you have not seperated cause and effect. Your friends might just be lazy all on thier own. As a friend once said after quiting, "Now I remember what it's like to be bored."
Haloman
08-06-2005, 07:12
I wish we had Canada's marijuana laws....
Kanabia
08-06-2005, 07:15
I feel like a joint.
Patra Caesar
08-06-2005, 08:03
$10 per 1/4 ounce? You've got to be kidding, here in tropical Queensland it's more expensive than gold ounce for ounce! I suppose that's because the state government is very proactive in preventing drugs being grown here. Either that or it's all going into boogie board bags being flown to Bali...
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 08:18
$10 per 1/4 ounce? You've got to be kidding, here in tropical Queensland it's more expensive than gold ounce for ounce! I suppose that's because the state government is very proactive in preventing drugs being grown here. Either that or it's all going into boogie board bags being flown to Bali...
I think he was saying it is $10 less now to get a 1/4, thus getting it for $55-which is still cheap, but it's Canadian money so I have no idea what that means...
Inzea
08-06-2005, 08:47
I think he was saying it is $10 less now to get a 1/4, thus getting it for $55-which is still cheap, but it's Canadian money so I have no idea what that means...

That would be about 47 USD.
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 08:51
That would be about 47 USD.
Thats pretty cheap for a quarter. What is he smokin', swag? If he's gettin' green bud for that I might just be in the wrong spot.
Lovfro
08-06-2005, 09:00
Come to Denmark!!!

I pay $11.60 for 1/4 ounce pot, $46.33 for skunk and the same for good hashish (which I prefer to smoke). :D
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 09:10
Come to Denmark!!!

I pay $11.60 for 1/4 ounce pot, $46.33 for skunk and the same for good hashish (which I prefer to smoke). :D
Set up a room.

Seriously, if what I'm doing right now works out well, I'm totally going. If it works out like it's likely to, I'll continue to be poor in California.
The Downmarching Void
08-06-2005, 09:24
Thats pretty cheap for a quarter. What is he smokin', swag? If he's gettin' green bud for that I might just be in the wrong spot.
Its Primo stuff actually, nice n' potent, free of dusting or other tricks.Well above the acceptable minimum for street weed. I'm more surprised by the fact price has gone down and not up. I wonder when the criminals will start killing eachother over that. Yet another problem legalization would seriously alleviate....though the criminals will find other vices to exploit us out of our cash with, I'm sure.

anyways...it's late, and I'm not certain I'm making much sense right now (its good stuff ;) )
Cannot think of a name
08-06-2005, 09:52
Its Primo stuff actually, nice n' potent, free of dusting or other tricks.Well above the acceptable minimum for street weed. I'm more surprised by the fact price has gone down and not up. I wonder when the criminals will start killing eachother over that. Yet another problem legalization would seriously alleviate....though the criminals will find other vices to exploit us out of our cash with, I'm sure.

anyways...it's late, and I'm not certain I'm making much sense right now (its good stuff ;) )
Ah yes, I'm in the 'end of responsabilities cloud' right now as well.

Though, I've found that prices go down the longer you smoke because you eventually end up in the 'in' circles. I was paying more when I started and less now, but had to reset the cycle when I moved (but not for long, I actually followed the source down, so...(not on purpose, total coincedence))
Sumamba Buwhan
09-06-2005, 20:05
I have to conserve mine because having recently moved I don't have any one close by to purchase from - luckily I get a major good deal on the Chrondo just a couple hundred miles away :fluffle:
Yanis
09-06-2005, 20:15
I really don't understand why marijuana is not legalized
-It causes no harm except to the lungs (because of the combustion), but this can be avoided because marijuana can actually be eaten (never tried "space cakes"? delicious)
-The gateway drug theory is false. Marijuana high and other highs have nothing in common. The problem is that the same pusher who sells joints often also sells other drugs: does it ring a bell?
International Terrans
09-06-2005, 20:22
The going rate for pot here is (in my experience) $10 a gram, but the price goes down significantly the more you buy. If a dealer charged more than that, they'd get lynched.
DrunkenDove
09-06-2005, 20:31
The going rate for pot here is (in my experience) $10 a gram, but the price goes down significantly the more you buy. If a dealer charged more than that, they'd get lynched.

In general dealers are no the sort of people that are easily lynched.

I get €30 for a quarter of hash nad a wholesale rate of €100 for a ounce of weed.
Taldaan
09-06-2005, 20:48
Are hash cookies etc as potent as smoking it, or not? I'm guessing not, but having not tried it, could any of you experienced stoners tell me?
Sumamba Buwhan
09-06-2005, 20:53
eating it has more of a valium like effect on me. I dont get the same kind of high from eating as I do smoking.

Also to address the issue about it being harmful for the lungs, there is a method of smoking called "Vaporizing" that doesnt burn the cannabis at all so you inhale nothing but pure vaporized thc and it's fantastic!
Istenert
10-06-2005, 20:48
*bump*
before it falls off the end.
Istenert
10-06-2005, 21:02
Oh and that getting high part?

It depends on the potency, and how you smoke it. A rolled joint, I find, is not as potent as that smoked with a pipe. You get more of the plant's kick back in the form of a sweet high.

Even after a year and a half of smoking, I still get wicked highs. This is in no way a gateway drug. But, yes I have experiemented with LSD (whatever, nopthing special) and some weird cactus crap... but I have no intentions of using those again...
Get a vaporizor! Apparently one hit and your fucked.
Istenert
10-06-2005, 21:04
I am so glad you were born enough to type this up! :P
born enuff 2 naught speel write
Istenert
10-06-2005, 21:07
The Weed is now also cheaper! When I started smoking Weed in the early to mid-nineties, a 1/4 oz. of Damn Good Stuff was $65.00 (cndn) now I could find the same amount of weed, but of MUCH better quality for $10.00 less.

I'm not sure how that came about, but I like it!

If enough people could be sold on the tax benefits alone from the Decriminalisation of Marijuana, it would get a lot of support from people who've never smoked a joint, but don't care if their neighbours do. Canada could also become a world leader in the procudtion and research of marijuan based medications & products, alternate textile fibres (good for paper, clothes, ropes etc.) and REALLY STRONG Weed.





I like business, its my friend.

THE FUCK?!

1/4 ounce for 10 bucks?! Are you shitting me? A gram for 10 bucks, where the hell are you getting a quarter ounce from?
Istenert
10-06-2005, 21:09
- and ... smoking pot does cause laziness... stoners dont see it... and ... dont relalize that they are stoners... but yeah... I live with 2 stoners - dont tell me smoking pot doenst make you lazy


but yeah.... It still should be legalized... and controlled by the government... save so much time and money
laziness? Ok your full of shit. laziness is a personality thing. I noticed that I was alot lazier BEFORE I started smoking pot.
Istenert
10-06-2005, 21:11
Come to Denmark!!!

I pay $11.60 for 1/4 ounce pot, $46.33 for skunk and the same for good hashish (which I prefer to smoke). :D
There was a school trip there over the march break (dont ask, whoever planed this out actually did have the students in mind). Any way, yeah I hear its awsome there, half the kids want to go back to live there for the summer.
Marijuana and Alcohol
10-06-2005, 21:25
I'm glad i live in in the netherlands. we've got the best quality weed, 6 euro a gram skunk, 7 euro a gram white widow, etc.

it really doesnt make you lazy either. you're lazy when you're stoned, yes , but there's no difference when you're sober.

take this from a experienced user!