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Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.

Wow, this is so irrelevant!

Wow. You destroyed liberalism as a whole because a single frontman scored 1 freaking point lower than Bust Jr.

They both have an equally lackluster school record. The only thing you've done is give me further reason to doubt the U.S. political system.

Wow, this is so irrelevant!
Actually... I think it's VERY relevant considering how many times the Left have attacked Bush as a "cowboy", "buffoon", "intellectual lightweight", "frat boy", etc...and touted Kerry as some erudite, intellectual genius.

Actually... I think it's VERY relevant considering how many times the Left have attacked Bush as a "cowboy", "buffoon", "intellectual lightweight", "frat boy", etc...and touted Kerry as some erudite, intellectual genius.

I always thought Kerry was an idiot. Not as much as Bush, but still.

Wow, this is so irrelevant!
OMG you're so right...though I am tempted to disprove this, it has no relevence what so ever.

I always thought Kerry was an idiot. Not as much as Bush, but still.
I didn't think either were particularly bright. I just laugh at people who call Bush an idiot because he doesn't use $5 words every sentence and isn't the best public speaker.

OMG you're so right...though I am tempted to disprove this, it has no relevence what so ever.
Oh? You are? Sounds like fun - can I help?

OMG you're so right...though I am tempted to disprove this, it has no relevence what so ever.

Rather hard to "disprove" the Yale transcripts. So go ahead.

I remember when the comparisons were made between Gore and Bush, with everyone in the press calling Gore "cerebral" and "too intellectual".

Turns out that Gore had an even worse record than either Bush or Kerry. And piss poor test scores. Flunked out of school at least once.

Yes, keep thinking that Gore and Kerry are "far smarter" than Bush. Their academic records certainly don't speak to that at any level.

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.


And by one point :rolleyes: … for all we know that could be a round off issue

Bush 77.50 Kerry 77.49

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.
Yeah, because we all know grade averages are the single greatest indicator of intelligence that our civilization possesses. Please.

Yeah, because we all know grade averages are the single greatest indicator of intelligence that our civilization possesses. Please.
Lol we seem to sound more and more alike lately lol

I remember when the comparisons were made between Gore and Bush, with everyone in the press calling Gore "cerebral" and "too intellectual".

Turns out that Gore had an even worse record than either Bush or Kerry. And piss poor test scores. Flunked out of school at least once.


So you admit the the press had a conservative bias.

I win the game!

:D

Yeah, because we all know grade averages are the single greatest indicator of intelligence that our civilization possesses. Please.

Then why does the media crown any liberal candidate as "cerebral" and "intellectual" even when there's no proof? Why does a Republican automatically get tarred with the idiot brush?

When will the liberal media stop treating left-wing ideology as a proxy for intelligence? For months the press has questioned the intellect of Republican candidate George W. Bush, while describing Al Gore as "serious," "intellectual" - even "wonkish."

The basis for the media's unfair attacks on Bush's intelligence is his 30-year-old Yale College transcript (purloined last fall and published by The New Yorker). Yet The Washington Post's subsequent revelation of Gore's unimpressive academic record has done little to alter the media's false portrayal of Gore as "the smartest kid in the class." It is a record that is worth reviewing, if only to debunk the myth of Gore as a serious student.

Gore's undergraduate transcript from Harvard is riddled with C's, including a C-minus in introductory economics, a D in one science course, and a C-plus in another. "In his sophomore year at Harvard," the Washington Post reported, "Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale." Moreover, Gore's graduate school record - consistently glossed over by the press - is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of "Inventing Al Gore," he received F's in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C's. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).

But whereas the liberal press has described Bush's college days as a time of misspent youth, media accounts of Gore's undergraduate years are grossly fawning. (The New York Times: "As Mr. Bush was frolicking around Yale, a young man named Al Gore was studying at Harvard"; "Harvard nurtured the part of [Gore] that is in love with the world of ideas." The New Republic: "At Harvard, Gore set himself formidable intellectual challenges.")

And then there is the laughable October issue of Psychology Today. As part of a cover story entitled, "Gore and Bush on the Couch," the magazine reports the results of a spurious "analysis" of 10 of the candidates speeches and/or interviews. The authors claim that the study "verifies" the popular stereotype that "Bush is not as deep a thinker as Gore."

Two pages later, readers will be shocked - shocked! - to learn that the magazine's (no doubt scientific) study of the candidates' facial gestures reveals that Gore is the "more serious, constrained, controlled, weighty, ponderous, [and] dominant of the two candidates." More ponderous, perhaps . . . but, please, spare me the pop psychology.

Biased reporters, however, are not the only ones to blame. Indeed, the vice president himself has cultivated this genius persona (one of many). Thus, he did not correct PBS News anchor Gwen Ifill when she referred to him as a graduate of Vanderbilt Law School. Even more significant was the line in Gore's convention acceptance speech in which he stated, "I know my own imperfections. I know that sometimes people say I'm too serious, that I talk too much substance and policy." Poor Al, he's just too smart for the job.

Of course, the stereotyping of conservative candidates as dumb and liberal candidates as "brilliant" is nothing new. During the 1950s, the media lionized Democrat Adlai Stevenson as an intellectual, while ridiculing Republican Dwight Eisenhower as an ineffectual simpleton. Back then, the members of the press knew full well that Stevenson attended Harvard Law School and, yet, had not received a degree. But the media gave Stevenson a pass. (Sound familiar?) Had resourceful journalists investigated, they might have learned (as we now know from Stevenson's biographer John Bartlow Martin) that Harvard Law School Dean Erwin Griswold had hidden Stevenson's transcript in a locked cabinet in his office. What was he hiding? Stevenson, the so-called "thinking man's candidate," had, in fact, flunked out of Harvard Law.

In the end, neither intellect nor academic performance is an especially important criterion by which to judge our presidents. Ronald Reagan and Harry Truman were no scholars, but they rank among the best presidents in our country's history. And what about many liberals' favorite president - Franklin Roosevelt? Social, popular, and famously unserious as an undergraduate at Harvard, FDR had an undistinguished academic record. Yet, later in life, Roosevelt's charisma and his ability to persuade, compromise, and lead helped him to become a "reformer with results."

I remember when the comparisons were made between Gore and Bush, with everyone in the press calling Gore "cerebral" and "too intellectual".
On a side note:

Did you hear clips of Gore during the graduation speech he gave yesterday? That was the biggest bunch of "whining disguised as self-depreciating humor" I've EVER heard. It was pathetic beyond words.

So you admit the the press had a conservative bias.

I win the game!

:D
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Rather hard to "disprove" the Yale transcripts. So go ahead.

I remember when the comparisons were made between Gore and Bush, with everyone in the press calling Gore "cerebral" and "too intellectual".

Turns out that Gore had an even worse record than either Bush or Kerry. And piss poor test scores. Flunked out of school at least once.

Yes, keep thinking that Gore and Kerry are "far smarter" than Bush. Their academic records certainly don't speak to that at any level.
I wouldn't be "disproving" the Yale transcripts because 1) It's irrelevent and 2) it's only 1 point, I'd be disproving the "fact" that Bush is smarter than Kerry. I'm not going to get into that because it's completely useless other than serving the purpose of creating useless argument so I'm just going to have to disappoint you.

1) Grades are irrelevant and a poor determinant to rate intelligence.

2) Grade them by their present verbal and reasoning skills. Kerry was visibly better in both areas during his (lousy) campaign.

3) Bush's abilities have been declining over the last decade. I've seen past video of him during speeches and he was great back then and seems to be losing it now. I wouldn't be surprised if dementia was setting in. I guess that's another way in which Bush Jr. copies Reagan :p

the American left
:D Makes me laugh every time I read that

I wouldn't be "disproving" the Yale transcripts because 1) It's irrelevent and 2) it's only 1 point, I'd be disproving the "fact" that Bush is smarter than Kerry. I'm not going to get into that because it's completely useless other than serving the purpose of creating useless argument so I'm just going to have to disappoint you.

Keep in mind that this is the same crowd that called the 2004 results "A Landslide Mandate." Even the most insignificact of a lead that Il Bushe gets over anyone is treated as "OMG b00$# bl00 the suxx0r aw8 lol!!!!111one"

Lol we seem to sound more and more alike lately lol

Admit it! You are the same person! ;)

I wouldn't be "disproving" the Yale transcripts because 1) It's irrelevent and 2) it's only 1 point, I'd be disproving the "fact" that Bush is smarter than Kerry. I'm not going to get into that because it's completely useless other than serving the purpose of creating useless argument so I'm just going to have to disappoint you.

It would seem that Bush was able to beat both Gore and Kerry. I wonder who is smarter....

The only thing this shows me is that the american educational system is elietist. Here we are saying that two of the most famous Universities take people who we are calling Idiots.
These two idiots then become presidential candidates. Now does anyone else find this scarey?

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.

GPA has NO bearing in defining intelligence.

Even if you want to play this retarded approach, what were the courses of study? If the shrub took basket weaving and Kerry took organic chem, does the GPA really define anything?

Rather feeble attempt so you get a :rolleyes:

It would seem that Bush was able to beat both Gore and Kerry. I wonder who is smarter....

The people running his campaigns.....

Academic achievement really has very little to do with actual intelligence, although I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry is equally as retarded as Bush.

The only thing this shows me is that the american educational system is elietist. Here we are saying that two of the most famous Universities take people who we are calling Idiots.
These two idiots then become presidential candidates. Now does anyone else find this scarey?

My point on the other Bush/Kerry thread was:

Two Yale graduates with less than stellar academic records.
Two members of the Skull and Bones Fraternity
Two members who weaseled their way through the military:
- Kerry does Vietnam, but wrangles his Purple Hearts (including one for a scratch) so that he can leave six months into his tour (this was entirely voluntary - he could have stayed but he didn't).
- Bush does the National Guard thing - unless he crashes in a plane, not too dangerous

One tries (and fails) to convince voters that he's a gun owner who hunts (Kerry).

One tries (and succeeds) to convince his opponents that he's stupid.

Want to know why the Democrats lost the last election? Because they fell for it - they actually believed that they wouldn't have to do anything - in their minds, they can't fathom that anyone would vote for someone "so stupid".

Guess again. Ann Richards, the Democrat he beat in Texas, holds to that theory. She says that Bush is far, far smarter than he lets on - and that the simple, easygoing cowboy is an ACT.

I'm betting that Ann Richards knows more about Bush than any other Democrat here.

It's not that Bush is so intellectually superior to Kerry. It's that the left railed on about how stupid Bush was/is while falling in worship of John "I went to Vietnam" Kerry. Both are very smart guys with different agendas.

A college education gets you start on your education. It is not the sum of your education. Appliance of knowledge, research and experience are better teachers.

Actually, NF, what you fail to mention and what the article stated is that Bush managed a three year average of a 77 and did a cop-out Pass/Fail system for his senior year (probably in hopes of saving his ass).

Kerry managed to grab himself the 76 rating in his first year, but the other three years he was able to pull his GPA up. He was also granted honor roll at Yale, something which shows he had a higher GPA, something which Bush never got. Kerry was also chosen to give the farewell address to the senior class, a selection by peers that shows he was respected enough to gain the honor.

As a side curiosity, did you actually read the article before posting? Because everything you've tried to say has already been disproved by the article your trying to use as proof.

Anyone who watched the debates knows who is the smarter of the two.

Ah, but there's no substitute for victory. And in that regard, Kerry is a bona fide loser.

Actually, NF, what you fail to mention and what the article stated is that Bush managed a three year average of a 77 and did a cop-out Pass/Fail system for his senior year (probably in hopes of saving his ass).

Kerry managed to grab himself the 76 rating in his first year, but the other three years he was able to pull his GPA up. He was also granted honor roll at Yale, something which shows he had a higher GPA, something which Bush never got. Kerry was also chosen to give the farewell address to the senior class, a selection by peers that shows he was respected enough to gain the honor.

As a side curiosity, did you actually read the article before posting? Because everything you've tried to say has already been disproved by the article your trying to use as proof.

"Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate."

lol I think we have a winner

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.

while the fact that Bush averaged 1 point higher than Kerry did in college is great -- though, lol, they both did C work so neither should brag -- I don't think that college grades necessarily reflect how smart someone is.

EG, a person could have a really high IQ and do poorly in school due to partying, lack of studying, etc.

On the flip side, a not-so-smart person could get good grades by studying a lot and kissing tail.

Grades might be a sign of the level of intelligence, but they also might very well not.... just depends on the person and the circumstances.

Ah, but there's no substitute for victory. And in that regard, Kerry is a bona fide loser.

loser != lessor intelligence which is what this silly thread is about.

I don't know why people have to argue which idiot is actually smarter then the other idiot?

Guess again. Ann Richards, the Democrat he beat in Texas, holds to that theory. She says that Bush is far, far smarter than he lets on - and that the simple, easygoing cowboy is an ACT.

I'm betting that Ann Richards knows more about Bush than any other Democrat here.
Bingo! I was going to bring that up, but you beat me to it. :p

1) - I always thought Bush was the 2nd coming of Dan Quayle - smart guy - horrific public speaker.

2) As for the matter of releasing Kerry's military records - Bush has probably 3 pages, and Kerry has many of them. Their military records are just not comparable.

EG, a person could have a really high IQ and do poorly in school due to partying, lack of studying, etc.
/me raises hand

I'll agree with you there. My problem was that I got burned out on school in the first grade.

When you finish your work faster than anyone in the class and are hyper, then the teacher gives you THREE times the ammount of work just to keep you busy and then MAKES YOU COME IN AT LUNCH to finish the extra work while the rest, who had normal ammounts of work, get to go out and play...

Well, you can see why (amongst other reasons) I don't have a high opinion of public education.

Guess again. Ann Richards, the Democrat he beat in Texas, holds to that theory. She says that Bush is far, far smarter than he lets on - and that the simple, easygoing cowboy is an ACT.

I'm betting that Ann Richards knows more about Bush than any other Democrat here.

Or, alternately, she could be saving face by making excuses for losing to a complete cretin.

1) - I always thought Bush was the 2nd coming of Dan Quayle - smart guy - horrific public speaker.

2) As for the matter of releasing Kerry's military records - Bush has probably 3 pages, and Kerry has many of them. Their military records are just not comparable.

Hmm. Shall we ask why he got one of his Purple Hearts for an ordinary scratch? Or shall we ask why he never got an Honorable Discharge (the Navy refused to) until President Carter came along?

Since his service record is sealed - I guess we'll never know.

But it may amuse you to know that in the Hall of Heroes in Ho Chi Minh City, there are three portraits on display as national heroes. One of them is John Kerry.

yep, many pages of crying over being wounded by rice... three purple hearts for three minor flesh wounds and he got to go home.

He then became a flower child, denigrating/lambasting the war effort, the US, and the army. He may have danced with Jane Fonda. (hehe)

stand-up guy if ever I saw one.

to boot, he became a lawyer.

yep, many pages of crying over being wounded by rice... three purple hearts for three minor flesh wounds and he got to go home.

He then became a flower child, denigrating/lambasting the war effort, the US, and the army. He may have danced with Jane Fonda. (hehe)

stand-up guy if ever I saw one.

to boot, he became a lawyer.

And yet went over there while the shrub.........

yep, many pages of crying over being wounded by rice... three purple hearts for three minor flesh wounds and he got to go home.

He then became a flower child, denigrating/lambasting the war effort, the US, and the army. He may have danced with Jane Fonda. (hehe)

stand-up guy if ever I saw one.

to boot, he became a lawyer.
Q: What do you call 1000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?





A: A good start.

:p

bush is dum lol

And yet went over there while the shrub.........
...sat around snorting coke, drinking alcohol and talking to his friend James Bath, a bin Laden financial advisor.

Q: What do you call people who make lawyer jokes older than I am?

A: Nothing that won't get me forum banned.

bush is dum lol

...and yet I bet he knows how to correctly spell d-u-m-b...

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I balked on doing this on the other thread, but now that someone has read the rest of the article this has degenerated back into the "Oh, yeah-well...he didn't earn his Purple Hearts..." which really at this point is just stupid. What happened to the conservatives with thier "Get over it" attitude? Are you guys really that full of shit?

1) Grades are irrelevant and a poor determinant to rate intelligence.
Sounds like someone didn't do very well in school...

2) Grade them by their present verbal and reasoning skills. Kerry was visibly better in both areas during his (lousy) campaign.
Why? Good speakers don't necessarily make good Presidents... look at Clinton.

3) Bush's abilities have been declining over the last decade. I've seen past video of him during speeches and he was great back then and seems to be losing it now. I wouldn't be surprised if dementia was setting in. I guess that's another way in which Bush Jr. copies Reagan :p
Hahaha, good one, oooh, whooey, I love those Alzheimer's jokes. And, by the way, Bush is much more knowledgeable and qualified to be President than he was when he ran.

GPA has NO bearing in defining intelligence.
We're not the ones that brought GPA into it, buddy... I'll bet every time a Republican buddy of yours, if you have any, said, "Bush went to Yale just like Kerry did," you pulled the "Yeah-and-almost-failed-out" card. By the way, what was your GPA in college? ;)

Kerry managed to grab himself the 76 rating in his first year, but the other three years he was able to pull his GPA up. He was also granted honor roll at Yale, something which shows he had a higher GPA, something which Bush never got. Kerry was also chosen to give the farewell address to the senior class, a selection by peers that shows he was respected enough to gain the honor.

Ummm, can you read?

"In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.
...
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years."

Besides, Bush and Kerry both had some higher grades in their later years, if you read the article, Kerry's highest being an 89 and Bush's being an 88.

...and yet I bet he knows how to correctly spell d-u-m-b...
Well we don’t know that … :p

What matters is the issues.

What this man did or did not do is irrelevant, what matters is what he DOES.

Ahh it's the Zombie Kerry V Bush debate! :eek: It's... It's... IT'S ALIVE!

You thought the arguements where dead but now they're back! :eek:

Sounds like someone didn't do very well in school...
We're not the ones that brought GPA into it, buddy... I'll bet every time a Republican buddy of yours, if you have any, said, "Bush went to Yale just like Kerry did," you pulled the "Yeah-and-almost-failed-out" card. By the way, what was your GPA in college? ;)


Actually I do and I have some that a relatives. We don't talk much as they are rednecks. :rolleyes:

Actually, I can give a crap about someones schooling. Unlike most people I don't like hearing about flash issues (ie Schiavo, gay marriage, etc.) I like to hear plans.

To answer your question: Computer Science 3.7

GPA means nothing.

So you admit the the press had a conservative bias.

I win the game!

Of course they don't, or else this would've come out during the election.

Ahh it's the Zombie Kerry V Bush debate! :eek: It's... It's... IT'S ALIVE!

You thought the arguements where dead but now they're back! :eek:

You know I was just thinking that.

Let's not relive this crap and regurg the same tired old points and counterpoints.

The elections are over and we only have 3 1/2 more years of the shrub *sigh*

You know I was just thinking that.

Let's not relive this crap and regurg the same tired old points and counterpoints.

The elections are over and we only have 3 1/2 more years of the shrub *sigh*
You mean I'm not stuck in a time warp!
Damn that means I still have exams tommorow!!

To answer your question: Computer Science 3.7

GPA means nothing.

Well, I was being sarcastic, hence, the sarcasm tags, but nice job, nonetheless. Besides, I am never one to use GPA as a means of determining intelligence - nor do I determine it on how well someone speaks. I just think it's funny how the Dems were trying to paint Bush as a fucking retard that barely made it through Yale, and now it turns out that their candidate is the same. Personally, I don't care either way, I'm just makin' conversation.

I wouldn't be "disproving" the Yale transcripts because 1) It's irrelevent and 2) it's only 1 point, I'd be disproving the "fact" that Bush is smarter than Kerry. I'm not going to get into that because it's completely useless other than serving the purpose of creating useless argument so I'm just going to have to disappoint you.

This is anything but irrelevent. How many NS forum thread are there attacking Bush's intellegence, stating that anyone would've been better, etc. This is provides further proof that Bush is a man with a sharper mind than many people in the world. How many forum users here have an MBA? Does John Kerry have a masters degree? (Hint:No)

This is anything but irrelevent. How many NS forum thread are there attacking Bush's intellegence, stating that anyone would've been better, etc. This is provides further proof that Bush is a man with a sharper mind than many people in the world. How many forum users here have an MBA? Does John Kerry have a masters degree? (Hint:No)
I have two … (btw I am 22)

Well, I was being sarcastic, hence, the sarcasm tags, but nice job, nonetheless. Besides, I am never one to use GPA as a means of determining intelligence - nor do I determine it on how well someone speaks. I just think it's funny how the Dems were trying to paint Bush as a fucking retard that barely made it through Yale, and now it turns out that their candidate is the same. Personally, I don't care either way, I'm just makin' conversation.

I claim the being american and lack of sense of humor argument! :p

No worries. I shouldn't post in between reading network packets. ;)

This is anything but irrelevent. How many NS forum thread are there attacking Bush's intellegence, stating that anyone would've been better, etc. This is provides further proof that Bush is a man with a sharper mind than many people in the world. How many forum users here have an MBA? Does John Kerry have a masters degree? (Hint:No)

Again a feeble attempt.

An MBA means nothing in my line of work(WAN engineer) unless I want to go into managment that is.....

Hmmm if you want to make the silly degree arguments. What was Carters degree?

This is anything but irrelevent. How many NS forum thread are there attacking Bush's intellegence, stating that anyone would've been better, etc. This is provides further proof that Bush is a man with a sharper mind than many people in the world. How many forum users here have an MBA? Does John Kerry have a masters degree? (Hint:No)

Well, he went to law school didn't he? So he has a JD.

ahh the typical Liberal response of "we dont care" when they get backed up into a corner....

ahh the typical Liberal response of "we dont care" when they get backed up into a corner....

And that translated as

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

You get a :rolleyes:

Hmmm if you want to make the silly degree arguments. What was Carters degree?
ROFL... I knew Carter was going to come up soon. Fuck Carter, he still sucked, whether he's the most logically and spacially intelligent President we've ever had.

ahh the typical Liberal response of "we dont care" when they get backed up into a corner....
Who are you talking about?

ahh the typical Liberal response of "we dont care" when they get backed up into a corner....
We would care if it mattered :rolleyes:

ROFL... I knew Carter was going to come up soon. Fuck Carter, he still sucked, whether he's the most logically and spacially intelligent President we've ever had.

Ahh but the thread is about IQ and not the presidency. ;)

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Somewhere....a bridge has no troll.

Somewhere....a bridge has no troll.

Don't you have some villagers to terrorize NF?

Don't you have some villagers to terrorize NF?

Being an evil conservative I outsourced that job to Trogdor(TM).

Ahh but the thread is about IQ and not the presidency. ;)

Bah! I still say fuck 'em.

Oh, and in defense of the dirty commie liberals of the world, the only liberal I've ever heard say "I don't care" when backed into a corner is my mom, and she's a fucking idiot, so I don't hold it against you guys. She's one of those pothead, hippy, ex-protestor whiny bitches borne of the 70's. So was my dad, but he quit when he was twenty-five or so and grew up, while my mom quit, oh, a year ago? Max?
My hate of potheads and drunks is not unfounded and due to ignorance. My parents did more drugs in high school and directly thereafter than 90% of the people on this forum have even heard of.

Originally Posted by Northern Fox
Somewhere....a bridge has no troll.


Ahhh but it takes one to know one.
And that about summarises NS general. Well the debating part anyway. :D

Separated at birth?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/lurch-sized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/kerry.jpg

Now I need to get a pic of Rogue Newbies for comparison...

Being an evil conservative I outsourced that job to Trogdor(TM).

Touche' NF, touche'

And that about summarises NS general. Well the debating part anyway. :D

How about

Bush is smarter!
No Kerry
No Bush
No Kerry
Stop touching me!
You did it first!
MOM!

Separated at birth?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/lurch-sized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/kerry.jpg

Now I need to get a pic of Rogue Newbies for comparison...
lol! We may have a winner! :p

Separated at birth?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/lurch-sized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/kerry.jpg

Now I need to get a pic of Rogue Newbies for comparison...

ROFL! Hey, I'm not as ugly as Kerry, come on. Think: The MAD TV guy with no freckles, smaller ears, and a less abnormally shaped head, and you got me. They actually put my picture in my school's newspaper under celebrity look-a-like.

That wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true,

Actually... I think it's VERY relevant considering how many times the Left have attacked Bush as a "cowboy", "buffoon", "intellectual lightweight", "frat boy", etc...and touted Kerry as some erudite, intellectual genius.

well, the whole kerry-is-a-genious thing is bullshit, but bush jr. is a "cowboy, buffoon, intellectual lightweight, frat boy, etc" so...

Yes, keep thinking that Gore and Kerry are "far smarter" than Bush. Their academic records certainly don't speak to that at any level.


But then, they dont have books written all aboout their mistakes and, with any luck, will be shot along side him by Joe
Joe-------->:mp5:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0204/020204kerryjohn.jpg

"Children for dinner? Perrrrrfect!"

:p

Sweet crap, now we're back to the photo comparisons...


So, what has Bush done-what are you guys trying to cover up? There was a report a few days ago that growth wasn't as big as expected, are you trying to screen that? Is the Downing Street memo starting to get traction, is that what you guys are worried about? What's happening, what are you trying to distract us from? Multiple threads on the exact same info, tenacity despite it's rellavance a year ago-smells like the White Noise Machine. What are you guys covering for? Come on, come clean. You've cried wolf too many times, lets have it.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0204/020204kerryjohn.jpg

"Children for dinner? Perrrrrfect!"

:p

ROFL! Thank you, Texpunditistan. Thank you. *promptly adds Texpunditistan to his short list of people he respects*

This is anything but irrelevent. How many NS forum thread are there attacking Bush's intellegence, stating that anyone would've been better, etc. This is provides further proof that Bush is a man with a sharper mind than many people in the world. How many forum users here have an MBA? Does John Kerry have a masters degree? (Hint:No)
FINE, you want me to start? I'll start for you. Wait, SHARP MIND? what the hell? Bush didn't even know he owned a timber company when Kerry brought it up. Here's your source:

JOHN KERRY: Ladies and gentlemen, that's just not true what he said. The Wall Street Journal said 96 percent of small businesses are not affected at all by my plan. And you know why he gets that count? The president got $84 from a timber company that he owns, and he's counted as a small business. Dick Cheney's counted as a small business. That's how they do things. That's just not right.
DUBYA: I own a timber company? [LAUGHTER] That's news to me. [LAUGHTER] Need some wood?
-- Actually, Dubya does own a timber company. You can read the details at factcheck.org (you know, the website Dick Cheney got wrong in the VP debate?), Second Presidential Debate, St. Louis, Missouri, Oct. 8, 2004

And just a sampling of retarded crap that comes out of the kid's mouth:

"We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end."
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
My favorite:
"And so, in my State of the -- my State of the Union -- or state -- my speech to the -- nation, whatever you wanna call it, speech to the nation -- I asked Americans to give 4,000 years -- 4,000 hours over the next -- of the rest of your life -- of service to America. That's what I asked. I said 2 -- 4,000 hours." It took him NINE incoherent phrases to create two convoluted sentences in shards one must put back together in order to make sense of it. Smart person? Does this crap come out of a smart person's mouth? "Well, he may be a bad speaker but that doesn't disqualify his intelligence."

Okay, he majored in History at Yale right? Let's see how much that edumacation paid off for him...
"That's been the proven example around the world. Democracies equal peace."
-- That's because democracies never go to war... Oh, wait a minute. White House, Jan. 7, 2005

"See, free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction."
-- I wonder if Dubya is going to try and rewrite the history of the 20th century to agree with this statement, Washington, D.C., Oct. 8, 2003

"And all our history says we believe in liberty and justice for all, that when we see oppression, we cry."
-- That's what it says. Dubya majored in history so you can trust him. East Literature Magnet School, Nashville, Tennessee, Sep. 17, 2002
...and that's just a very small sample of his shaky grasp of history.

Here he is trying to be "deep" and "thought-provoking":
"We know that dictators are quick to choose aggression, while free nations strive to resolve differences in peace."
-- Dubya seems not to mind inviting the comparison, address to U.N. General Assembly, Sep. 21, 2004

"By making the right choices, we can make the right choice for our future."
-- Flawless logic, Dallas, Texas, Jul. 18, 2003

"You know, I don't think there's ever going to be an end to evil."
-- Stating the obvious with conviction, Barbara Walters interview, Dec. 4, 2001

Here's further proof of him thinking his actions are justified by God thus making the invasion of Iraq part of a new Manifest Destiny:
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job."
-- Dubya: Mouthpiece of God. Statement made during campaign visit to Amish community, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Jul. 9, 2004

"And we base it, our history, and our decision making, our future, on solid values. The first value is, we're all God's children."
-- Not even attempting to rhetorically separate his religion and politics anymore, Washington, D.C., Jul. 16, 2003

"This great, powerful nation is motivated not by power for power's sake, but because of our values. If everybody matters, if every life counts, then we should hope everybody has the great God's gift of freedom."
-- Dubya invokes "the great God" in justifying war with Iraq, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Jan. 29, 2003

Oh great!
Bush just sent a shitload of money to "aid" Africa...I won't get into that but it shows how close-minded and not thinking his puppetmasters are. They think they can please liberals by sending aid to Africa when really it's making Africa worse.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0204/020204kerryjohn.jpg

"Children for dinner? Perrrrrfect!"

:p

*L* That was awesome.

You guys are dipshits.

I could freaking care less whether Kerry's test scores were ONE FREAKING POINT LOWER THAN Dubya's. Unless you can prove to me that Kerry is mentally retarded, I still maintain that Kerry is far more erudite, wise and intelligent than George W. Bush will ever be. So he scored low on his tests? You show me IQ scores for the two men. Then I will either have my suspicions confirmed or change my view. Until then.

And even if, and I truly stress the if, Bush is actually smarter than Kerry, that changes nothing. Bush is still an unfeeling, jingoistic theocrat. No test score will change that.

You show me IQ scores for the two men. Then I will either have my suspicions confirmed or change my view. Until then.
Bush's IQ Higher Than Kerry's (http://election.about.com/b/a/121198.htm)

:p

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hollywoodreporter/photos/2004/01/kerry_john80x100.jpg

"Kerry goes back to high school and tries out for football special teams."

:p

(I think only American football fans will get that joke. :p)

You guys are dipshits.

I could freaking care less whether Kerry's test scores were ONE FREAKING POINT LOWER THAN Dubya's. Unless you can prove to me that Kerry is mentally retarded, I still maintain that Kerry is far more erudite, wise and intelligent than George W. Bush will ever be. So he scored low on his tests? You show me IQ scores for the two men. Then I will either have my suspicions confirmed or change my view. Until then.

And even if, and I truly stress the if, Bush is actually smarter than Kerry, that changes nothing. Bush is still an unfeeling, jingoistic theocrat. No test score will change that.
That's what I've been trying to say this whole time, but unfortunately, they won't listen and still argue that we were wrong. I guess they tell us to "get over it" but when we tell them to "get over it" they attack us, very smart.

Oh, btw, it's "couldn't care less", NOT "could care less." :)

I'd trust neither IQ nor GPA - you can be unintelligent and do well at both of them, and you can be intelligent and do badly at both, though I think i'd trust IQ least of all, which has being proven to be pretty much just a sham. According to some IQ test I took i'm apparently a genius. Yay me - except i'm blatantly not, just good at doing tests.

They are probably both of average intelligence and if they did not come from a privilaged background they would probably both be in lower white collar jobs by now.

Separated at birth?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/lurch-sized.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/giffmann/kerry.jpg

Now I need to get a pic of Rogue Newbies for comparison...
I found a better one. :D

http://onthepatio.typepad.com/on_the_patio/images/gomer_kerry_aka_john_pyle-thumb.jpg

Bush's IQ Higher Than Kerry's (http://election.about.com/b/a/121198.htm)

:p
So I suppose you'd like to see the average IQs (http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm) of the states and who they voted for?

So I suppose you'd like to see the average IQs (http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm) of the states and who they voted for?

You're not posting that old urban myth again, are you? :rolleyes:

That's what I've been trying to say this whole time, but unfortunately, they won't listen and still argue that we were wrong. I guess they tell us to "get over it" but when we tell them to "get over it" they attack us, very smart.

Oh, btw, it's "couldn't care less", NOT "could care less." :)
No fuckin' shit. I called that on page four, even used a picture. I'm tellin' you-something is up, it's The White Noise Machine. When they start parroting like this they are usually repeating something being chanted. I just want to know what it is that they are trying to distract us from.

FINE, you want me to start? I'll start for you. Wait, SHARP MIND? what the hell? Bush didn't even know he owned a timber company when Kerry brought it up.

First of all, who on this forum denied the fact that Bush sucks at speaking? My GPA going into college was a 4.305, and I got a B in Speech (a required class at my stupid fucking school because it's so full of itself and wants a high rating) because I averaged a C+ and then got a 100% on the exam - an objective test. I suck at speaking, but I'm not exactly stupid, even if I am arrogant and obnoxious.

Besides, if you were actually watching the debate - not just quoting it off of some "Bush Quotes" website - you'd know that Bush totally fucking owned Kerry on the timber company thing. That was fucking hilarious. He made Kerry feel like a dumbass for even mentioning it. Why the fuck would the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire know he owned a piddly-ass timber company in bum-fucked Egypt that got him $84? Seriously. Get real. The fact that Kerry even had to mention it was petty and stupid.

No fuckin' shit. I called that on page four, even used a picture. I'm tellin' you-something is up, it's The White Noise Machine. When they start parroting like this they are usually repeating something being chanted. I just want to know what it is that they are trying to distract us from.

Please adjust your tin foil hats for better reception.

It's either the white noise machine, or the vast right-wing conspiracy.

First of all, who on this forum denied the fact that Bush sucks at speaking? My GPA going into college was a 4.305, and I got a B in Speech (a required class at my stupid fucking school because it's so full of itself and wants a high rating) because I averaged a C+ and then got a 100% on the exam - an objective test. I suck at speaking, but I'm not exactly stupid, even if I am arrogant and obnoxious.

Besides, if you were actually watching the debate - not just quoting it off of some "Bush Quotes" website - you'd know that Bush totally fucking owned Kerry on the timber company thing. That was fucking hilarious. He made Kerry feel like a dumbass for even mentioning it. Why the fuck would the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire know he owned a piddly-ass timber company in bum-fucked Egypt that got him $84? Seriously. Get real. The fact that Kerry even had to mention it was petty and stupid.
Wow. Just wow. If you where really watching the debate you would have actually realised that the point wasn't to burn Bush on owning a lumber company but to point out that in order to get the statistic Bush was using Bush himself would qualify as a small business because he owned a lumber company so small in his portfolio that he didn't even fuckin' know it.

If you actually where looking at the context. In which case Bush and anyone else who thought it was about cornering him on owning a lumber company ended up looking fairly stupid.

Wow. Just wow. If you where really watching the debate you would have actually realised that the point wasn't to burn Bush on owning a lumber company but to point out that in order to get the statistic Bush was using Bush himself would qualify as a small business because he owned a lumber company so small in his portfolio that he didn't even fuckin' know it.

If you actually where looking at the context. In which case Bush and anyone else who thought it was about cornering him on owning a lumber company ended up looking fairly stupid.

No, the lumber company part of all of Bush's investments and stocks and ownerships was a small company, not Bush. Which I see nothing wrong with - it is a small fuckin' business.

Please adjust your tin foil hats for better reception.

It's either the white noise machine, or the vast right-wing conspiracy.
So all those times that the administration and websites and everything else just start spewing out the exact same sound bite, all in my head, hmm? The fact that you all will suddenly post the same thread five times that just happens to have the same sound bite, all in my head? The fact that the tactic usually obscures what is actually going on, all in my head? You go ahead and believe that. Unlike Bush, I know how the phrase goes-

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

First of all, who on this forum denied the fact that Bush sucks at speaking? My GPA going into college was a 4.305, and I got a B in Speech (a required class at my stupid fucking school because it's so full of itself and wants a high rating) because I averaged a C+ and then got a 100% on the exam - an objective test. I suck at speaking, but I'm not exactly stupid, even if I am arrogant and obnoxious.

Besides, if you were actually watching the debate - not just quoting it off of some "Bush Quotes" website - you'd know that Bush totally fucking owned Kerry on the timber company thing. That was fucking hilarious. He made Kerry feel like a dumbass for even mentioning it. Why the fuck would the multimillionaire son of a multimillionaire know he owned a piddly-ass timber company in bum-fucked Egypt that got him $84? Seriously. Get real. The fact that Kerry even had to mention it was petty and stupid.
Dude, Bush owned because he was a retard. He didn't know he owned a timber company. Bush was mistaken and attacked Kerry for it. Kerry's WHOLE POINT was totally missed by the right because they got so fired up when Bush thought he was owning Kerry, when really, Bush was completely wrong. If you want me to spell out Kerry's point it was that the Bush definition of a small business was SO BROAD that the $84 he recieved from a timber company counted him as an owner, then when Kerry pointed it out, Bush attacked him for it, not knowing Kerry was right and he was wrong. It was indeed funny because Bush didn't know he "owned" a timber company and made a fool of himself at the same time.

No, the lumber company part of all of Bush's investments and stocks and ownerships was a small company, not Bush. Which I see nothing wrong with - it is a small fuckin' business.
http://factcheck.org/article265.html

the smokescreen is working...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38338000/jpg/_38338595_kerry150ap.jpg

"Whoops! I hope nobody smells that!"

http://sgtfluffy.scrawlville.com/archives/john_f_kerry_stack_1.Par.0001.ImageFile-thumb.jpg

"WOW! Woah! Damn, John. Did your ass die and you not notice?"

:p

For months during the election the media talked about how smart Kerry was. They talked about what a fratboy Bush was. In my months here on this forum I have read countless attacks upon Bush's intellect, I have also read a few claims of Kerry's intellectual superiority.
Now, released transcripts show that Kerry was not the genius we were all led to believe. He is a great speaker, but is not much smarter than most of us. So the difference here is that Bush is a terrible public speaker and Kerry is a great public speaker. So Bush sounds stupider so it is much easier to attack him as an idiot.
When people disagree with something they deride that something as stupid. That is the natural way of feeling, I am right and smart, you are wrong and stupid. This is magnified in the case of leaders because their actions have more impact. The fact of the matter is Kerry would have been a different kind of president but no smarter overall than Bush. He simply would have made different people happy and those different people wouldn't have Bush to whine and complain about. And the people who didn't vote for Kerry would be the ones complaining and whining.

I had the link copied, there I was, going to break my longstanding policy of linking to an article in a post and BAM! Somebody beat me too it. Damn Northern Fox!!! Life is so futile sometimes.

the smokescreen is working...
It always works, it's one of the most impressive media strategies ever. You can't out shout noise. (Which, by the way-despite your dismisall, it's a media theory not a conspiracy theory. It's not cloaks and dark rooms, it's all but admited strategy by the Bush administration of constant repitition)

Doesn't stop me from being suspect when I hear the same thing repeated over and over again. Especially when it's on shakey grounds.

It always works, it's one of the most impressive media strategies ever. You can't out shout noise. (Which, by the way-despite your dismisall, it's a media theory not a conspiracy theory. It's not cloaks and dark rooms, it's all but admited strategy by the Bush administration of constant repitition)

Doesn't stop me from being suspect when I hear the same thing repeated over and over again. Especially when it's on shakey grounds.

That's right. You probably believed Clinton, even after they found his semen on her dress.

Im surprised so many people are defending bush. The guy is an idiot and a puppet. I like how we got bombed and decided to retal against someone that had nothing to do without it. Wheres whe wmd? He used the phrase enough didnt he? He got elected by the bible belt because hes as conservative as they are. Thats all this election was, it was left wing vs right wing. Neither candidate was good.

Oh and about the grades thing... what majors were they? I can think of at least a dozen communications majors with 3.3s and at least a dozen chemical engineering and nuclear engineering majors with only a 2.7 (aka a 80). If i was asked who i thought was more intelligent you can bet id pick the engineers.

Personally, i wish clinton could be re-elected. Something tells me in a couple years though its gonna be his wife.

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.

When screaming at your mother about your grades did you not remember saying "school is a load of shit. the marks about how well you can kiss ass and tell the proff what s/he wants to know"

stupid.

Actually... I think it's VERY relevant considering how many times the Left have attacked Bush as a "cowboy", "buffoon", "intellectual lightweight", "frat boy", etc...and touted Kerry as some erudite, intellectual genius.
Lets go back to the "lesser of two evils" argument. Do we want a "genious moron" or a "dumb moron who doesnt do things because he's moronic".

Now if we consider 1pt the difference between genious and dumb then i bet your the slump of us all my friend.

That's right. You probably believed Clinton, even after they found his semen on her dress.
Okay, what?

Now if we consider 1pt the difference between genious and dumb then i bet your the slump of us all my friend.
Excuse me? Was that a personal attack?

Okay, what?
Apparently, it's lost on most Democrats that since Karl Rove came in, there's been a much, much larger grass roots organization than before.

Kinda makes MoveOn look like a small group. And the grass roots organization has better coverage across voting districts while the Democrats are hemmed into the larger urban centers.

Karl said it himself - there's no substantial difference between the parties for a voter to choose from, so the victory will go to the party with the better organization.

Far better than you realize.

Excuse me? Was that a personal attack?
For this post? I believe its clear...I was just making a point, if 1pt means so much to you then your probably the biggest hypocirt to walk the face of the earth.

It would seem that Bush was able to beat both Gore and Kerry. I wonder who is smarter....




actually Bush just had alot of money for his campaign. Also if not for Nader, his 3% would have gone to gore and kerry

Man I am having flash backs.

I am out of this one.

For this post? I believe its clear...I was just making a point, if 1pt means so much to you then your probably the biggest hypocirt to walk the face of the earth.
That's so unintelligible that I seriously have no idea how to respond to it.

Apparently, it's lost on most Democrats that since Karl Rove came in, there's been a much, much larger grass roots organization than before.

Kinda makes MoveOn look like a small group. And the grass roots organization has better coverage across voting districts while the Democrats are hemmed into the larger urban centers.

Karl said it himself - there's no substantial difference between the parties for a voter to choose from, so the victory will go to the party with the better organization.

Far better than you realize.
...and that is Karl's evil genius. He knows how to manipulate the public into accepting virtually anything, from Presidents with non-Presidential qualifications, to perpetual war to usurption of presonal freedoms. I bet when he read 1984, he didn't think "omg, this is horrible," he thought "hey! what a great idea!"

actually Bush just had alot of money for his campaign. Also if not for Nader, his 3% would have gone to gore and kerry
Oh my God. Are we going to drag out this long-disproven argument again? :rolleyes:

If so, I'm out of here. The IQ level just dropped about 50 points.

Q: What do you call people who make lawyer jokes older than I am?

A: Nothing that won't get me forum banned.



wow i'm impressed. You've just done the impossible; You made the joke even worse

Apparently, it's lost on most Democrats that since Karl Rove came in, there's been a much, much larger grass roots organization than before.

Kinda makes MoveOn look like a small group. And the grass roots organization has better coverage across voting districts while the Democrats are hemmed into the larger urban centers.

Karl said it himself - there's no substantial difference between the parties for a voter to choose from, so the victory will go to the party with the better organization.

Far better than you realize.
Okay, aside from quoting one of the principles on which the White Noise Generator is built on (something you refered to as tinfoil hat material) I don't know what this has to do with what you've been writting-and I certainly don't see how this explains the Clinton charge. Do you even know what you're talking about at this point?

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF)

Bush Average: 77
Kerry Average: 76

So it turns out the American left wanted to install a candidate who was less intelligent than Bush and after all we heard about GW's "alleged" low intellect. Once again facts refute liberalism. Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records (like GWB already has) I wonder what they will say about John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry's discharge. Maybe we'll find out he committed even more war crimes than he's already admitted to.

The War in Iraq Costs:

$175,044,710,569

Human Cost:

1600+ dead US soldiers

12,000+ wounded US soldiers

Terrorism increased.

Future Costs:

Immeasurable

Yup....that Bush fella is one smart dude. :eek:

77 and 76. Not much of a difference.

basically i think what we are all trying to say is:
polititions = incompentent puppets for capitalism/big buisiness

Kerry is a cock-smoking liberal bastard. of course George W is smarter.

Oh my God. Are we going to drag out this long-disproven argument again? :rolleyes:

If so, I'm out of here. The IQ level just dropped about 50 points.


no..... just got mad because it does'nt one or the other is smarter if they won or not.

Im surprised so many people are defending bush. The guy is an idiot and a puppet. I like how we got bombed and decided to retal against someone that had nothing to do without it. Wheres whe wmd? He used the phrase enough didnt he? He got elected by the bible belt because hes as conservative as they are. Thats all this election was, it was left wing vs right wing. Neither candidate was good.

Oh and about the grades thing... what majors were they? I can think of at least a dozen communications majors with 3.3s and at least a dozen chemical engineering and nuclear engineering majors with only a 2.7 (aka a 80). If i was asked who i thought was more intelligent you can bet id pick the engineers.

Personally, i wish clinton could be re-elected. Something tells me in a couple years though its gonna be his wife.

HRC won't win... she's too liberal.

As for the war, we didn't need WMDs to justify taking down Saddam.

Bush got elected by some of the Bible Belt and by entrepreneurs, bankers, etc... business people (along with a smattering of others of course).

...and that is Karl's evil genius. He knows how to manipulate the public into accepting virtually anything, from Presidents with non-Presidential qualifications, to perpetual war to usurption of presonal freedoms. I bet when he read 1984, he didn't think "omg, this is horrible," he thought "hey! what a great idea!"

Perpetual war? 3 years is perpetual war? England and France were almost constantly at war for nearly 100 years, now that was perpetual war. What we have here today hardly comes close to qualifying. I think the real difference these days is the softness of people of the west.

Oh my God. Are we going to drag out this long-disproven argument again? :rolleyes:

If so, I'm out of here. The IQ level just dropped about 50 points.


no..... just got mad because it does'nt mean one or the other is smarter if they won or not.

Here is what I think of Kerry and Bush, they were spoiled frat boys.

Kerry is a cock-smoking liberal bastard. of course George W is smarter.
If you're going to play a Kevin Smith character on these boards, you'd be better off playing Silent Bob instead of Jay. Trolling like this will get you forumbanned. Knock it off.

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To Barry the Destroyer, they're proponents of state capitalism, not free market capitalism. IMHO

The War in Iraq Costs:

$175,044,710,569

Human Cost:

1600+ dead US soldiers

12,000+ wounded US soldiers

Terrorism increased.

Future Costs:

Immeasurable

Yup....that Bush fella is one smart dude. :eek:


Not to mention how the economy is inflated which makes our dollor worth less now

HRC won't win... she's too liberal.
Don't take that for granted. She's been trying to clean up her image and look like a "moderate" Democrat for a while now. She'll have her propaganda machine in full gear by the time 2008 rolls around.

I wondor who will be running for republicans

Not to mention how the economy is inflated which makes our dollor worth less now
This shows exactly how uneducated you are. Even the Bush-haters on this forum (the honest ones) will admit that presidents have VERY little to do with the economy.

This shows exactly how uneducated you are. Even the Bush-haters on this forum (the honest ones) will admit that presidents have VERY little to do with the economy.
Unless he goes on a regulating rampage.

Since I seem to be the right-winger, neocon, theocrat, labels ad infinitum..... I might as well be the one to ruin some liberals day.
I wish you would stop making out as if you are some sort of oppressed minority on this forum.

Maybe people would realise that Bush is smarter than Kerry if Bush stopped acting stupid in order to get rednecks to vote for him.

This shows exactly how uneducated you are. Even the Bush-haters on this forum (the honest ones) will admit that presidents have VERY little to do with the economy.



on the contrary. Bush is pro buisness, right? He decides to add more money into the system to make each worth less. With each dollor worth less, it cost big buisness less to employ workers and buisness owners make more money for themselves. tell me now, was my prior statement uneduacated?

on the contrary. Bush is pro buisness, right? He decides to add more money into the system to make each worth less. With each dollor worth less, it cost big buisness less to employ workers and buisness owners make more money for themselves. tell me now, was my prior statement uneduacated?
I think he was trying to say that presidents have less influece over the economy than you think.

HRC won't win... she's too liberal.

As for the war, we didn't need WMDs to justify taking down Saddam.

Bush got elected by some of the Bible Belt and by entrepreneurs, bankers, etc... business people (along with a smattering of others of course).
I don't see what's particularly liberal about Hillary. It seems that any time a Democrat is famous, they're assumed to be very liberal. :confused:

I agree. But the WMD thing was necessary. The public never would have accepted war without a self-defense clause. I salute Paul Wolfowitz.

Let's not generalise. You remind me of the left wing of the Democrats party - "the proletariat votes for us!" :rolleyes:

Here is what I think of Kerry and Bush, they were spoiled frat boys.

Exactly.

And they both went to one of the universities with the largest amount of grade inflation and could only manage a C-average? That's pretty sad (or they're both really, really lazy).

i see, but they still effect it to some degree nontheless. And the way he effected it was to inflate it. I understand your argument however.

Perpetual war? 3 years is perpetual war? England and France were almost constantly at war for nearly 100 years, now that was perpetual war. What we have here today hardly comes close to qualifying. I think the real difference these days is the softness of people of the west.
3 years and counting. Does the GWOT show any signs of slowing down? I don't think so. But I hope that you're right; that this isn't perpetual war, only a random killing spree to stop supposed future random killing sprees.

And in case you didn't know, Bush said in his own words we won't be able to win the GWOT:

Now if Mr. Kerry will sign the Form 180 to release his military records...

Didn't he just do so?

Actually... I think it's VERY relevant considering how many times the Left have attacked Bush as a "cowboy", "buffoon", "intellectual lightweight", "frat boy", etc...WhatTheHell :confused: ..those are not the words i would use for the president
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usually the first words that come to mind are.. chimp, illiterate, moron, retard, terrorist, Saudi-ass-kisser,etc.

see..having him as president for over 4 years allow us to judge his intelligence...much more so than a few YALE exams...

on the contrary. Bush is pro buisness, right? He decides to add more money into the system to make each worth less. With each dollor worth less, it cost big buisness less to employ workers and buisness owners make more money for themselves. tell me now, was my prior statement uneduacated?
Er...Bush didn't "add more money into the system"...in fact, the Federal Govt. dosen't even have the power to control the money supply - the Fed controls the money supply, and not by issuing more dough, but by changing loan requirements...

For the people blasting 'c grades'. This is Yale in the sixties. Not State School, or Yale, 2005. Grade inflation was far less than it is today and curves were real curves where they hurt, not helped, your grade. Getting a mid to high C average is roughly equivalent to a mid B average. They both did fine.

Er...Bush didn't "add more money into the system"...in fact, the Federal Govt. dosen't even have the power to control the money supply - the Fed controls the money supply, and not by issuing more dough, but by changing loan requirements...

That is correct. The actually supply of money is relatively stable; the ease at which the money can be borrowed, or its liquidity, is what determines the money supply.

Not to mention how the economy is inflated which makes our dollor worth less now

I believe you'll find that this was actually an intentional thing, and, if you have a minimal understanding of economics, it was also a good thing that played a part in turning the recession around. Lowering the worth of the dollar encourages foreign investment, and after some time results in an overall increase of the dollar's value, thus stimulating the U.S. economy.

Kerry is smarter than Bush. He knows about the world, can discuss other cultures. The debates were an obvious example. Fine he got one mark better than, might he has clearly had a gradual decline into utter idiocy.

You forgot Poland!

Kerry is smarter than Bush. He knows about the world, can discuss other cultures. The debates were an obvious example. Fine he got one mark better than, might he has clearly had a gradual decline into utter idiocy.

You forgot Poland!


Apparently the doctors are saying that his drug abuse has created some mental problems for him

I believe you'll find that this was actually an intentional thing, and, if you have a minimal understanding of economics, it was also a good thing that played a part in turning the recession around. Lowering the worth of the dollar encourages foreign investment, and after some time results in an overall increase of the dollar's value, thus stimulating the U.S. economy.

The dollar is then further supported by the gradual decrease of money supply through rate increases, with the end result being a net gain in dolar strength. The dollar is like any other traded item, with its value falling as supply grows and rising as supply constricts.

wow i'm impressed. You've just done the impossible; You made the joke even worse

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*Troll d00d* :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:

:D :fluffle:

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The dollar is then further supported by the gradual decrease of money supply through rate increases, with the end result being a net gain in dolar strength. The dollar is like any other traded item, with its value falling as supply grows and rising as supply constricts.

Exactly.

on the contrary. Bush is pro buisness, right? He decides to add more money into the system to make each worth less. With each dollor worth less, it cost big buisness less to employ workers and buisness owners make more money for themselves. tell me now, was my prior statement uneduacated?

Well, that doesn't make sense at all.

The only thing inflation changes is that it encourages consumer spending and discourages certain kind of investment. Investments that hedge against inflation, e.g. real estate, will be in use more than inflation-vulnerable investements, e.g. low-yield government bonds.

kerry and bush are probably equally intelligent (regardless of their university grades, which in my experience prove little more than how well one did at university), but their personalities (a bumbling everyman and an absent-minded professor) were clearly not their own, but crafted by the public relations industry to cater to certain voting blocs. bush (connecticut-born and raised) did not speak with a texan twang at yale. he would've been laughed out. this article provides some insight into the manufacturing of john kerry.

kerry and bush are probably equally intelligent (regardless of their university grades, which in my experience prove little more than how well one did at university), but their personalities (a bumbling everyman and an absent-minded professor) were clearly not their own, but crafted by the public relations industry to cater to certain voting blocs. bush (connecticut-born and raised) did not speak with a texan twang at yale. he would've been laughed out. this article provides some insight into the manufacturing of john kerry.

Born, yes. Raised, no - he was raised in Texas. That accent's natural - not that I mind or think it has any relevance whatsoever.

Born, yes. Raised, no - he was raised in Texas. That accent's natural - not that I mind or think it has any relevance whatsoever.

No, his proper formation pretty much took place in Connecticut (or, perhaps more accurately, New England.) He did all of his schooling there (prep and university), learning to speak amongst the wealthy families of the Northeast, who tend not to say "nucular". The accent might have some natural quality to it, (despite neither of his parents really having one think: mother tongue), but it's definetly exaggerated.

Born, yes. Raised, no - he was raised in Texas. That accent's natural - not that I mind or think it has any relevance whatsoever.
Actually, the accent was played up in the election. I got to meet Bush breifly when he was campaigning for TX governor and the accent was less noticable, but still there.

BTW, here's Kerry in all his "nuanced" glory. :p

http://www.lee-wilson.net/kerrypositions.jpg

Imagine that, a pompous Democrat full of words but no substance behind them.

It's OFFICIAL - There is no point to this thread mainly because the creator of this thread is giving misleading information. Look at the starting article closely and actually read it.

Let the Bush haters laugh and jump about this FACT

Let the kerry haters either maintain the more than questionable statement made by the creator and/or find something else to moan about the Dems

And no I couldn't care less either way as I'm neither a Dem or a Republican

Yeah, because we all know grade averages are the single greatest indicator of intelligence that our civilization possesses. Please.


they may not be the greatest indicator.. but they sure are the most tangible.. thats why colleges heavily weight SAT or ACT scores and other standardized tests...

stop complaining. democrats spent months campaigning that bush was stupid (even though i dont deny he is a little.. not too smart, though i am a bush fan)... and now it seems their candidate was just as uneducated (which doesnt put bush ahead...just brings kerry off of his pedestal)... to this i give a hearty "HAHA!"

they may not be the greatest indicator.. but they sure are the most tangible.. thats why colleges heavily weight SAT or ACT scores and other standardized tests...

stop complaining. democrats spent months campaigning that bush was stupid (even though i dont deny he is a little.. not too smart, though i am a bush fan)... and now it seems their candidate was just as uneducated (which doesnt put bush ahead...just brings kerry off of his pedestal)... to this i give a hearty "HAHA!"
What good news!

Included in Kerry's military files were his transcripts from Yale, which were part of his application for officer training. Kerry, it turns out, had a 76 average for his years at Yale--the equivalent of a C and one point below George W. Bush's 77 average. Kerry had a difficult freshman year, scoring four D's, though he did manage a C in French.

So Kerry was almost as distinguished a scholar as the schoolmate who went on to become president of the United States. That doesn't seem so bad--but for candidate Kerry, it would have been devastating. After all, much of Kerry's appeal, such as it was, rested on intellectual snobbery. His supporters described him, in the words of a March 2004 New York Times report, as "an intellectual who grasps the subtleties of issues, inhabits their nuances and revels in the deliberative process." In this view, Kerry's nose for nuance contrasted favorably with Bush's simplisme.

But what if Kerry simply lacked the ability to express himself clearly? Consider his answer when asked in a September 2003 debate to reconcile his vote for Iraq's liberation with his subsequent opposition: "The vote is the vote. I voted to authorize. It was the right vote, and the reason I mentioned the threat is that we gave the--we had to give life to the threat. If there wasn't a legitimate threat, Saddam Hussein was not going to allow inspectors in. Now, let me make two points if I may. . . ."

He went on in this vein for 248 words (quoted in full here), and only someone with a superior intellect and too much time on his hands could possibly have made sense of his answer. "People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can't understand," IQ expert Linda Gottfredson told the Times' John Tierney last year. The revelation that Kerry was no better a student than Bush suggests that this is just what happened.

Still, let's not sell Kerry short. He is, after all, a United States senator--which isn't bad for a C student. At least no one will ever again call him an underachiever.