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Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!
Aye, 'em bloody Anglos ought to haul ass out of Eire! And let the two parts reunite! They's got Scotland and Wales. ^_^

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!
put a figure on that argument would you?

oh go away, you silly little troll.

oh go away, you silly little troll.

No.

oh go away, you silly little troll.
Which one? Me the sarcastic troll-feeding Canuck or the ranting douche?

Which one? Me the sarcastic troll-feeding Canuck or the ranting douche?
the ranting douche

*Bets that IRA operatives isn't even Irish/Nth. Irish*

No.
do you even know what youre talking about?

Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast
and
The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has.

suggest you dont

*Bets that IRA operatives isn't even Irish/Nth. Irish*
Can I place my bet on your side of the table?

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!

when was all of that done recently? i'm not trying to justified what they did but the ira are still bombing places killing civilians, the british aren't as active. now, i want the british out of the north just as much as you do but the ira were justified way back when, now it's senseless killing. they should just be patient and do it the diplomatic way. the catholic population in the north are growing far more than the protestant population, we breed like rabbits, and so the number of people for sinn fein will rise.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

when was all of that done recently? i'm not trying to justified what they did but the ira are still bombing places killing civilians, the british aren't as active.

The PIRA and most IRA factions are peaceful now. the only violent one is the RIRA, and they are a bunch of wannabes.

now, i want the british out of the north just as much as you do but the ira were justified way back when, now it's senseless killing. they should just be patient and do it the diplomatic way. the catholic population in the north are growing far more than the protestant population, we breed like rabbits, and so the number of people for sinn fein will rise.

I'm not advocating killing anyone (unless its UVF/LVF members).

I'm not advocating killing anyone (unless its UVF/LVF members).

Very nice. :rolleyes:

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!

That's priceless.

"The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has".

I should hope so... that's pretty much their job, and that's what they were being paid to do, in the Gulf, at the Somme, etc....

Very nice. :rolleyes:

Do you know what the UVF/LVF are?

Do you know what the UVF/LVF are?
Yes.
Description
The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), a Loyalist paramilitary group formed in 1966, takes its name from the UVF of the first World War. The Ulster Volunteer Force was mobilised as a Protestant/Unionist militia in 1912 to oppose the Home Rule campaign for a separate Irish parliament. Many UVF members formed the 36th (Ulster) Division that fought with the British Army in the Great War. The Progressive Unionist Party is the political wing of the outlawed Ulster Volunteer Force and Red Hand Commando. Although the PUP is referred to as a loyalist fringe party, it holds more moderate unionist views than any of the traditional unionist parties.
Activities
The UVF conducted bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, extortion, and robberies. Before its 1994 cease-fire, targets included Northern Irish Nationalist paramilitary groups. Apart from a few breaches, the ceasefire still holds today. The UVF's political wing is the Progressive Unionist Party, which states that it has "an insight into UVF thinking".

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!


Funny you should say this, because last night on the history channel, I saw something on Cromwell, the general who recked all of Ireland.

I side with the Irish on this one, but I don't know what to do.

Description

An extreme loyalist group formed in 1996 as a faction of the loyalist Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) but did not emerge publicly until 1997. Composed largely of UVF hardliners who have sought to prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland by attacking Catholic politicians, civilians, and Protestant politicians who endorse the Northern Ireland peace process. LVF occasionally uses the Red Hand Defenders as a cover name for its actions but in February called for the group’s disbandment. In October 2001, the British Government ruled that the LVF had broken the cease-fire it declared in 1998 after linking the group to the murder of a journalist. According to the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning, the LVF decommissioned a small amount of weapons in December 1998, but it has not repeated this gesture.

Activities

Bombings, kidnappings, and close-quarter shooting attacks. Finances its activities with drug money and other criminal activities. LVF bombs often have contained Powergel commercial explosives, typical of many loyalist groups. LVF attacks have been particularly vicious: the group has murdered numerous Catholic civilians with no political or paramilitary affiliations, including an 18-year-old Catholic girl in July 1997 because she had a Protestant boyfriend. The terrorists also have conducted successful attacks against Irish targets in Irish border towns. Since 2000, the LVF has been engaged in a violent feud with other loyalists that intensified in 2002 with several high-profile murders and defections.

Strength

300 members, half of whom are active.

Location/Area of Operation

Northern Ireland, Ireland.

Do you know what the UVF/LVF are?
special sun creams?

sorry, isn't UVF the Ulster Volunteer Force? LVF? Liverpool Volunteer Force? guessing not.

Aye, 'em bloody Anglos ought to haul ass out of Eire! And let the two parts reunite! They's got Scotland and Wales. ^_^

I is scottish and i think we should have left northern ireland long ago. but we should blame Peter mandelson ( i think its his name i forget ). wen an irish person says he will fight he is a terrorist but wen he says "If northern ireland becomes part of the republic i will fill it with armed men and make it ungovernable" its ok. but thats not the point i want to make. I quoted Kryozerkia because Scotland is NOT part of england and neither is wales. we have our own parliment and we can get independance any time our bloody government says we can. Saying Scotland is part of england is like saying the republic is part of britain. don't get me rong i love ireland i am 3/4 irish and bein part irish kiks ass. but u KRYOZERKIA sound like a bloody ENGLISHMAN.

I say we carpet-bomb both sides into jelly, and give the land to the Palestinians. :p

Do you know what the UVF/LVF are?
The douches who aren't the Catholic douches? :p

It would appear that Whispering Legs, the American, knew who UVF/LVF were.

I think someone is about to make a mistake - and believe somehow that Legs has never been to Belfast.

Not only have I been there, but I've been to the funeral of one of the few Jews who was born, raised, and died there.

And for Mr. IRA, I have a history question:

When the Germans bombed Belfast in WW II, and the city was set ablaze, what was the response of neutral Ireland when they heard about the fires?

Death to the UVF!

First its not the RUC anymore its the PSNI.
Second you are making it sound like the British army is still walking through the streets shooting random civilians.
LVF = Loyalist Volunteer Force

I am no loyalist but this thread has annoyed me... :sniper:

Death to the UVF!

Oh, very nice and very intelligent. As though that would make a difference. :rolleyes:

When the Germans bombed Belfast in WW II, and the city was set ablaze, what was the response of neutral Ireland when they heard about the fires?

neutral Ireland was not so neutral and sent several fire engines across the border to help

tell me IRA Operatives are you still living in N.Ireland or have you just not kept up to date with little changes such as the RUC no longer existing? Or perhaps are you one of those people who say the PSNI is just the RUC in disguise?

neutral Ireland was not so neutral and sent several fire engines across the border to help

More than a few were sent. I don't believe that the poster named "IRA ---" is really Irish.

we have our own parliment and we can get independance any time our bloody government says we can.

No you can't. Only because I am supposed to be doing politics revision right now I'll tell you why.

Scotland has an executive assembly, but the only sovereign, legislative assembly in Britain is Westminster. That's because Westminster can make law (rather than regulate within the confines of law), and because they it is the sovereign political body in Britain. Scotland could only become independent if granted independence by Westminster.

With regards to Ireland, we need Mo Mowlam back.

nope he seems to be a bit behind in the times for that...maybe he's a 90 year old who has lost all of his memory for the last 40 or so years

More than a few were sent. I don't believe that the poster named "IRA ---" is really Irish.

I suspect that he's Commando2, who certainly isn't Irish.

but can't irish people just stop killing other irish people? I agree that the british government was originally at fault for splitting ireland, but the terrorist groups aren't getting anywhere. and they haven't since 1916.
Nowdays, there really isn't any point in blaming the british anymore. If people are still being killed, it is the fault of the killers.

But i would bet that the blogger isn't really irish. I can't believe that anyone who lives through something like that would advocate more of it. but then again, its been nine years now...

hmm it appears that IRA operatives has no response to any of this... :mp5:

nope he seems to be a bit behind in the times for that...maybe he's a 90 year old who has lost all of his memory for the last 40 or so years
that's why I asked the question about the fire engines.

Since he didn't get that...

neutral Ireland was not so neutral and sent several fire engines across the border to help
And without those Belfast would have been alot more destroyed than it was. It was the most undefended city in the UK, with only 7 anti aircraft batteries...despite having one of the major ship aricraft building operations

Even with their help, it was still one of the most damaged cities in the German bombings of cities, at the time of the second raid which took place on Easter Tuesday only London and Liverpool had suffered greater casualties in one night.

just a wee random history lesson

are you perhaps doing GCSE history ccea because that sounds exactly like the stuff we learnt when I did it

And without those Belfast would have been alot more destroyed than it was. It was the most undefended city in the UK, with only 7 anti aircraft batteries...despite having one of the major ship aricraft building operations

Even with their help, it was still one of the most damaged cities in the German bombings of cities, at the time of the second raid which took place on Easter Tuesday only London and Liverpool had suffered greater casualties in one night.

just a wee random history lesson

And one I'm sure that our troll poster "IRA ----" is unaware of.

are you perhaps doing GCSE history ccea because that sounds exactly like the stuff we learnt when I did it
i did GCSE History with CCEA a couple of years ago...then AS, then A2, and im now going Modern History at Queens.

And one I'm sure that our troll poster "IRA ----" is unaware of.

I realize that fire engines were sent. Thats because the Irish are a forgiving, kind people and even helped the oppressors. The British thank you? Confining Catholics and nationalists in the north to ghettos so the UVF could snipe them easier.

cool good luck with that

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I totally agree, for approximately the last 15 years the British Government has been trying to maintain the position of mediator between the main parties of NI to try and establish some sort of agreement.

The only thing i know about ireland is that they make great beer... guiness is good. And the IRA are just as bad as any terrorist organization, they are dogmatic our way is the only way kind of people, then again, when you think about it, any army/terrorist organization is that way, but at least an army operates by a code and rules of engagement... unlike the IRA.

I realize that fire engines were sent.

I would bet that 10 minutes ago, you did not know that.

so IRA operatives have you read any of the other posts or are you just not going to answer any of the questions asked in them

The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has.

Actually, this was proved wrong on another thread started by Papalknight.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8969337&postcount=21

Can I just say that the British army is in Northern Ireland (from around the seventies) to protect the Catholics from the Protestants and the Catholics originally welcomed them, then PIRA started killing British soldiers, which lead the British army to over react and start random raids on houses in Catholic areas leading to a rise in IRA recruitment, leading to the British army responding more and more heavily until the SAS went in and killed off most of the main players.

I think that IRA operative is a person that doesn’t understand how terrible terrorism can be and in some way looks at the PIRA’s bombing of towns and cities and the slaughter of protestant civilians and the protestant terrorist group’s slaughter of Catholic civilians as some thing to admire and romanticise.

Now I know that the British army did some terrible things in Ireland and I’m not saying that they were right I’m just saying neither where the terrorist group’s.

(I know I haven’t covered the whole history, just what I can remember.)

Actually, this was proved wrong on another thread started by Papalknight.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8969337&postcount=21

That link proves the evil loyalists killed more civilians than the IRA.

Tell me...do you try to make yourself sound infantile or does that just come naturally to you

That link proves the evil loyalists killed more civilians than the IRA.
loyalist paramilitaries =/= the British security forces

That link proves the evil loyalists killed more civilians than the IRA.

But it does prove that the republicans killed more civilians than the British army's entire total of kills. Have a look at your post that I quoted, by the way. You didn't mention the dastardly loyalists.

The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has.

Here are some figures for IRA Operatives:
3,600 people have been killed in the past 30 years.
1,800 by the RUC? by British soldiers? NO. By the IRA
The British army has killed 297, over half of which were paramilitaries.

*Yawns*

Been here, done this. Dozens of times, at that. No one can prove anything, one way or the other, largely because statistics cited are always biased one way or the other. The solution is to shut the fuck up about it regardless of what side you speak from (and I speak from a very moderate Nationalist side, but am in full support of Unionists to think as they wish), respect the views of others and learn to live with each other in peace. A lot of people across the world think this country is a complete shithole because of baised views like the one expressed by the thread's creator. Either 'side' constantly harping on about the sins of the past does no one any good.

By the way, I don't expect you to listen to any of the above - either you're too biased to have any common sense, or you're a puppet out to have a bit of a laugh.

*Yawns*

Been here, done this. Dozens of times, at that. No one can prove anything, one way or the other, largely because statistics cited are always biased one way or the other. The solution is to shut the fuck up about it regardless of what side you speak from (and I speak from a very moderate Nationalist side, but am in full support of Unionists to think as they wish), respect the views of others and learn to live with each other in peace. A lot of people across the world think this country is a complete shithole because of baised views like the one expressed by the thread's creator. Either 'side' constantly harping on about the sins of the past does no one any good.

By the way, I don't expect you to listen to any of the above - either you're too biased to have any common sense, or you're a puppet out to have a bit of a laugh.

The problem might be solved if every "side" handed in their assholes, and we shipped those assholes to the deserts of Iraq, where there are already plenty of assholes who are killing people and blowing things up.

That way, the rational people will be left behind to get on with a normal life, and the assholes will be killing each other in the middle of nowhere.

The problem might be solved if every "side" handed in their assholes, and we shipped those assholes to the deserts of Iraq, where there are already plenty of assholes who are killing people and blowing things up.

That way, the rational people will be left behind to get on with a normal life, and the assholes will be killing each other in the middle of nowhere.I concur unreservedly. I've been saying something similar for years.

Northern Ireland, if it is to have some sort of normal existance in the future, must co-operate. Although this will be difficult, both 'sides' are still very suspicious of each other, I believe that an increase in the number of integrated schools would help.

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!


waaaawawaaaa. Get a life you sad assed 13 year old. This has been done so many times. The IRA are nothing but a bunch of murdering ignorant fucks who hang on to the past with a surreal view of a united Ireland.
Stop blaming the British for everything. Both sides are just as bad as the other. Its people like you that hinder the peace process.

PS-You forgot to blame the Brits for stealing our potatoes during the famine..and treatin our fine young lads poorly when dey travelled across to find emselves work :p

Northern Ireland, if it is to have some sort of normal existance in the future, must co-operate. Although this will be difficult, both 'sides' are still very suspicious of each other, I believe that an increase in the number of integrated schools would help.

That might help in the one sense of making everyone the same, but in my opinion many integrated schools try to remove culture. They are afraid to offend either side, so the remove anything that is in any way cultural.

Not only have I been there, but I've been to the funeral of one of the few Jews who was born, raised, and died there.

Ah, yes, but was he a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?

That might help in the one sense of making everyone the same, but in my opinion many integrated schools try to remove culture. They are afraid to offend either side, so the remove anything that is in any way cultural.

You do have a ponit but eventually that period of being 'afraid to offend' will be gone. I know several people who have gone to intergarted schools in the north, having started in segregated schools and the intergrated schools were much better. Its more religon that is removed, which yes is a large part of any culture. It just causes so many problems between people.

Ah, yes, but was he a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?


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They are afraid to offend either side, so the remove anything that is in any way cultural.
This is beginning to sound familiar!
I do not agree. Part of integrating schools would be the exploration of the different cultures of NI, so as to show that the 'other side's' culture can be enjoyed by all communities.

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Old Belfast joke.

You do have a ponit but eventually that period of being 'afraid to offend' will be gone. I know several people who have gone to intergarted schools in the north, having started in segregated schools and the intergrated schools were much better. Its more religon that is removed, which yes is a large part of any culture. It just causes so many problems between people.
or they could do what several schools do, and just not ask at all about religion. just accept purely on basis of ability, and then teach both sides, and teach equality and working together

thats what my school did

Often sports that are seen as belonging to only one side are not offered in integrated schools and I tihnk that this is a pity. Sport should be for everyone...by excluding a sport, it is only made more segregated

If we take the rest of the UK or even Ireland as an example, we see that pupils of different religions attend the same schools and it has no detrimental effect on the religious aspects of their lives.

Furthermore, my cousin attends an integrated school and he learns the aspects of religion which are the same in both the Catholic and Protestant faiths.

Old Belfast joke.
Ya a friend of mine from Queens told it to me last Jan when I was in Belfast. I thought it was very funny..the couple next to me didn't tho..kept giving us dirty looks!

If we take the rest of the UK or even Ireland as an example, we see that pupils of different religions attend the same schools and it has no detrimental effect on the religious aspects of their lives.

Furthermore, my cousin attends an integrated school and he learns the aspects of religion which are the same in both the Catholic and Protestant faiths.

Ya but the situation in the North is completely different. (I live in the South) I wasn't brought to dislike Protestants,while my secondary schools was offically Catholic, there were so many different religions in the school, to be honest it made religous classes more interesting! I'm not saying that all Catholics in the North are and vice versa, but if you grow up in a situation like that its can be seen why prejudice exists,

if you grow up in a situation like that its can be seen why prejudice exists,

The purpose of integrating schools would be to remove this prejudice. If Catholic and Protestant children grow up together then they will realise that just because someone is a different religion, it doesn't mean they are secretly plotting to massacre the other's entire community.

there needs to be changes within the community as well. If the parents and local communities still teach that you should distrust and hate eachother, then having integrated schools could just give children a chance to gang up against eachother easier

there needs to be changes within the community as well. If the parents and local communities still teach that you should distrust and hate eachother, then having integrated schools could just give children a chance to gang up against eachother easier
Makes you think that there is truth in: hatred is not learned, it's taught.

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!

Don't know or have no opinion....

I do have a favor, could you send me a genuine IRA AK-47? Much appreciated!

Are the British soldiers. They act as though they control+deserve the north. They open fire on civilians and kill tons (Bloody Sunday, the Forgotten massacre of Belfast, ect.) and the British police (RUC) have been known to detain and torture Irish Catholics. The British army has killed far more people than the IRA has. Lowly terrorists ought to leave the great nation of Ireland!
I'm not surprised that some bastard called "IRA operatives" would say this.

The British army's presence in NI is nothing like what it used to be. They no longer open fire on civilians, while the IRA is not above that. Give sources for your claims. I can't believe you.

I'm in the Republic of Ireland, btw.

Ireland is this messed up little country, if you ask me. The British Invade Ireland, take it over, and basically make it a serf-country for a few hundred years. The Brit's mow down the Irish(with examples like Bloody Sunday, etc). Then they give it independence, but keep the north. Then the Irish start bombing the British.

Now, I'm sure that in the entire history of the Irish-British conflict, the Brit's killed more, but that's really a moot point: The conflicts been around for a few hundred years.

In conclusion, both sides suck.

Don't feed the troll.