Guilty wishes
In my rational mind, I know I believe in certain things. But, like most people, another part of me wishes for things that are totally inconsistent with my rational beliefs.
I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of assembly. I believe people who say stupid, nasty, ignorant, hateful, and bigotted things still have the right to say those things. I believe that they are still free to have hateful clubs and ignorant rallies to support their pet causes. I believe people should be free to be hypocrites, to hold contradictory or downright dishonest views, and to express themselves just as any other person can. I believe choice is paramount, and that supporting freedom of speech/choice isn't worth a thing unless you support those freedoms for the people you most disagree with.
BUT...in that guilty, dark part of my being...
-I wish Creationists could be forbidden to make use of any medical or technological advances that have in any way stemmed from evolutionary theory.
-I wish anybody who gives money to the Catholic Church could be forbidden to purchase condoms or contraceptives, or to receive treatment for AIDS/HIV.
-I wish Christians could be given a choice: either allow every religious holiday for every religious domination to be recognized as a national holiday (and have everything shut down for all of those holidays), or stop having any Christian holidays recognized.
-I wish every anti-choice individual in the country could be kept constantly pregnant, being re-impregnated after every childbirth. Including the male anti-choicers.
-I wish racists could be injected with a solution to change their skin color, making them appear to be one of the races they claim to hate.
-I wish mysogenists could be given sex-change opperations against their will. Same for feminazis.
-I wish people who cannot understand basic science could be forbidden to vote on any scientific issues (stem cells, abortion, etc). I wish any individual who can't pass a basic civics exam ("What is the Bill of Rights? How many branches of government are there?") could be forbidden to vote.
I don't REALLY support these things, and I wouldn't REALLY support them if somebody actually proposed them. But there is that nasty side of me that secretly wishes...
Does anybody else have guilty wishes of this sort?
Botswombata
06-06-2005, 18:51
In my rational mind, I know I believe in certain things. But, like most people, another part of me wishes for things that are totally inconsistent with my rational beliefs.
I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of expression, and freedom of assembly. I believe people who say stupid, nasty, ignorant, hateful, and bigotted things still have the right to say those things. I believe that they are still free to have hateful clubs and ignorant rallies to support their pet causes. I believe people should be free to be hypocrites, to hold contradictory or downright dishonest views, and to express themselves just as any other person can. I believe choice is paramount, and that supporting freedom of speech/choice isn't worth a thing unless you support those freedoms for the people you most disagree with.
BUT...in that guilty, dark part of my being...
-I wish Creationists could be forbidden to make use of any medical or technological advances that have in any way stemmed from evolutionary theory.
-I wish anybody who gives money to the Catholic Church could be forbidden to purchase condoms or contraceptives, or to receive treatment for AIDS/HIV.
-I wish Christians could be given a choice: either allow every religious holiday for every religious domination to be recognized as a national holiday (and have everything shut down for all of those holidays), or stop having any Christian holidays recognized.
-I wish every anti-choice individual in the country could be kept constantly pregnant, being re-impregnated after every childbirth. Including the male anti-choicers.
-I wish racists could be injected with a solution to change their skin color, making them appear to be one of the races they claim to hate.
-I wish mysogenists could be given sex-change opperations against their will. Same for feminazis.
-I wish people who cannot understand basic science could be forbidden to vote on any scientific issues (stem cells, abortion, etc). I wish any individual who can't pass a basic civics exam ("What is the Bill of Rights? How many branches of government are there?") could be forbidden to vote.
I don't REALLY support these things, and I wouldn't REALLY support them if somebody actually proposed them. But there is that nasty side of me that secretly wishes...
Does anybody else have guilty wishes of this sort?
How about every goverment official spend at least 1 yr working in a drive thru of their local fast food joint or as a janitor in the local factory on their wages so they would have a clue what it's like to live below the poverty level. See how that changes their view on world affairs.
How about every govrnment official spend at least 1 yr working in a drive thru of their local fast food joint or as a janitor in the local factory on their wages so they would have a clue what it's like to live below the poverty level. See how that changes their view on world affairs.
Sure, but add in another provision: every "communist" or "worker's rights" advocate who claims CEOs do nothing should be required to run a company for a year. Every person who claims all rich people are lazy and worthless should be required to take on the schedule of (for example) my uncle...he's worth many millions, and he works his blooming arse off. This way, the rich and powerful would be required to see how the poor live, and the less privaledged would be required to see how the rich and powerful live. I think there's a lot of mutual misunderstanding at work.
Kroisistan
06-06-2005, 18:55
Oh yes... yes...
I too have those guilty wishes you list, but here's a few more -
I wish people who support a war would be required to enlist in the military and serve in direct combat. Put your money where your mouth is!
I wish that anyone who is rabidly anti-islamic would be sent to Guantanimo. I'm taking bets on how long he lasts!
I wish I could hurt President Bush. I really really do. I won't(cavieat for the government agents who are surveilling this site), but I really wish I could.
I wish that any person who was opposed to stem cell research be given diabetes, alzheimers, or any other horrible disease of one's choice.
I wish people who vote for lower taxes regardless of governmental need be unable to use facilities paid for by tax.
I wish that anyone who opposes legislation to help the poor or reduce the wealth gap have all their property and money confiscated and donated to charity, and they be put on the streets of New York with a set of ratty clothes, a paper bag, and a Hoover blanket.
BUT...in that guilty, dark part of my being...
-I wish Creationists could be forbidden to make use of any medical or technological advances that have in any way stemmed from evolutionary theory.
-I wish anybody who gives money to the Catholic Church could be forbidden to purchase condoms or contraceptives, or to receive treatment for AIDS/HIV.
-I wish Christians could be given a choice: either allow every religious holiday for every religious domination to be recognized as a national holiday (and have everything shut down for all of those holidays), or stop having any Christian holidays recognized.
-I wish every anti-choice individual in the country could be kept constantly pregnant, being re-impregnated after every childbirth. Including the male anti-choicers.
-I wish racists could be injected with a solution to change their skin color, making them appear to be one of the races they claim to hate.
-I wish mysogenists could be given sex-change opperations against their will. Same for feminazis.
-I wish people who cannot understand basic science could be forbidden to vote on any scientific issues (stem cells, abortion, etc). I wish any individual who can't pass a basic civics exam ("What is the Bill of Rights? How many branches of government are there?") could be forbidden to vote.
I don't REALLY support these things, and I wouldn't REALLY support them if somebody actually proposed them. But there is that nasty side of me that secretly wishes...
Does anybody else have guilty wishes of this sort?
Out of my head, you! :p
Bitchkitten
06-06-2005, 19:03
I wish all the people who claim to be middle-class and make over 100,000 dollars a year would ahve live like poor people. And I don't mean 20,000 a year poor. I mean 7,000 a year poor. To go without dental care or eyecare, not available on Medicaid for adults, which is generally not available for healthy adults anyway.
I wish they'd have to use substandard public transportation.
I wish those people who claim racism is dead would be poor blacks in the South.
I wish the anti-choice crowd would be impoverished single moms and have 14 kids.
I occasionally wish we could nuke the whole middle east and be done with the whole problem.
I wish people who are for the death penalty would be wrongly convicted of a capital crime.
Creepy. I've wished of the same things before...
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 19:05
I occasionally wish we could nuke the whole middle east and be done with the whole problem.
I have that wish occasionally. Do you think that's bad?
Botswombata
06-06-2005, 19:07
Creepy. I've wished of the same things before...
I think were all on the same page here.
I see the put the money where your mouth is theme running through this thread.
Why do you think this is?
I have that wish occasionally. Do you think that's bad?
It's only natural to want to get rid of your problems quickly and effectively. Hey, I've wished that somebody would nuke the "Deep South"...
I sometimes wish that various irritating pop stars would be kidnapped and forced to listen to their own so-called "music" non-stop for an entire month, but I don't really feel guilty about it.
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 19:11
It's only natural to want to get rid of your problems quickly and effectively. Hey, I've wished that somebody would nuke the "Deep South"...
I find myself occasionally wishing that the Northeast would just secede from the rest of the US.
I find myself occasionally wishing that the Northeast would just secede from the rest of the US.
Ah, come on... You've gotta bring Illinois along, somehow. You can't leave Chicago behind!!
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 19:15
Ah, come on... You've gotta bring Illinois along, somehow. You can't leave Chicago behind!!
I don't see how we could keep our territorial integrity. I'm sure the US would blockade Illinois or something equally dick.
Sure, but add in another provision: every "communist" or "worker's rights" advocate who claims CEOs do nothing should be required to run a company for a year. Every person who claims all rich people are lazy and worthless should be required to take on the schedule of (for example) my uncle...he's worth many millions, and he works his blooming arse off. This way, the rich and powerful would be required to see how the poor live, and the less privaledged would be required to see how the rich and powerful live. I think there's a lot of mutual misunderstanding at work.
How would this make the rich and powerful see how the poor live? You forgot to add that the CEOs who think that workers are just cogs in the machine, to be replaced at will, should have to spend some time 'on the floor' (what a great special!) for the same amount of time...to remember where they started from. I think it would give them some good insights into running their company too. Plus, everyone BORN into money, rather than having worked for it, should have to get their hands dirty and be blue collar for a while. But none of this Paris Hilton interns crap, please.
Ditto for the misudnerstandings at work.
I don't see how we could keep our territorial integrity. I'm sure the US would blockade Illinois or something equally dick.
Yeah, that would be shit.
Swimmingpool
06-06-2005, 19:17
It's only natural to want to get rid of your problems quickly and effectively. Hey, I've wished that somebody would nuke the "Deep South"...
:eek: Don't you live there?
:eek: Don't you live there?
Texas usually isn't considered part of the "Deep South".
Texas usually isn't considered part of the "Deep South".
Yes, Texas is it's own friggin' nation.
Yes, Texas is it's own friggin' nation.
The majority of this state is shitty, in my opinion. There are some nice parts, though... There's the Corpus Christi area, and the Rio Grande Valley (including South Padre Island).
Oh, Houston is nice, but there are way too many conservatives...
I'd like to see people who support sweat shops as a 'natural progression of capitalism which will eventually get rid of itself' working in one of those sweatshops. I'd like people who talk about 'drunken Indians' and who blame us for our living conditions all the time, to go live on a Reservation for a year. I'd like free market capitalists to lose their jobs when their company decides to move to Indonesia. I'd like people who support feeding herbivorous animals OTHER ANIMALS to find ground up human in their next meal. I'd like people who support abstinence education über alles to contract AIDs. I'd like the pharmaceutical companies who spend millions coming up with new drugs for hair loss and erectile dysfunction to all contract a preventable, but ignored disease...like malaria. I'd like rapists to get a taste of their own medicine.
And yet, I don't really want any of these things...not really...
The majority of this state is shitty, in my opinion. There are some nice parts, though... There's the Corpus Christi area, and the Rio Grande Valley (including South Padre Island).
Oh, Houston is nice, but there are way too many conservatives...
My fam and I went on vacation in Texas when hurricane Ivan wiped out our normal condo/beach. Oh, wow, Galveston was nice. The sand was different, but it was firm and great for building sand castles. We had a good time.
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 19:25
Yeah, that would be shit.
Besides, people in the rest of the country don't hate Illinois like they do the Northeast.
And yet, I don't really want any of these things...not really...
I dunno... I'd actually like to see the things you listed happen to such people. It would give them a good "life experience".
My fam and I went on vacation in Texas when hurricane Ivan wiped out our normal condo/beach. Oh, wow, Galveston was nice. The sand was different, but it was firm and great for building sand castles. We had a good time.
Ehh. Port Aransas is much better than Galveston (though Galveston is still nice). South Padre Island has the best beach, but other than that, it's not much else.
Besides, people in the rest of the country don't hate Illinois like they do the Northeast.
True.
Finality and Decay
06-06-2005, 19:28
Oh yes... yes...
I wish people who vote for lower taxes regardless of governmental need be unable to use facilities paid for by tax...
Now I dont know if you know anything about economics but lower taxes raise the economy. So, even though I understand the goverment needs some money, the people need money to pay for there own services, private companies are far more efficent anyway. However dont take me as some radical right wing fanatic, many people on these forums seem to try and take everything one says to the extreme, I am FAR from a right wing. Infact, originally the tax cut plan was a great idea, I mean maybe not the best idea but if it had worked as it was supposed to we would be in great shape right now, what happened was 9/11. The tax cut plans where based on a surplus left by the Clinton administration, not that it had anything to do with Clinton being a good president. If that surplus had continued, which most every economist predicted it would, that would have raised are economy, and inturn raised the surplus. 9/11 however killed the surplus and the problem was not that the tax cut was a bad idea its that Bush is now too stuburn to relise that we need the tax cut stopped. That tax cut however let us avoid a depresion.
I wish that anyone who opposes legislation to help the poor or reduce the wealth gap have all their property and money confiscated and donated to charity, and they be put on the streets of New York with a set of ratty clothes, a paper bag, and a Hoover blanket.
Now I agree that its sad that some people are less fourtunate than others and yes, in the perfect world everyone would make the same amount of money, however thats not possible. This is proven by "attempted communism" if you trully understand what communism asked for its complete equality, no money, no goverment, and everyone is happy and joyfull and equal, however people are evil, either they will take advatage in a situation like this, or, they will just do nothing, no incentive at all to work, because everyone is given food out of the great nice hearts of other workers. The gap in wealth is one of the main reason America has become so powerful, and I think America maybe losing this. The poor are motivated for a better life, they work hard as hell to make ends meat. Some don't make it, but it seems you are not a creationist so, thats life, tough, natural selection calls for death. However others go far beyond the call and go from the poorest of poor to some of the richest. THAT IS THE IDEAL OF THIS COUNTRY. However giving stuff away, well that would weaken this country, alot.
I wish I could hurt President Bush. I really really do. I won't(cavieat for the government agents who are surveilling this site), but I really wish I could...
Yes, I wish I could too, but unlike you I would if I had the chance, I dont have the chance so I wont do it, (please dont kill me secret goverment agents)
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Res Communis
06-06-2005, 19:31
I wish everytime I'm tempted to read these forums I'd get an electric shock. Or a time machine to go back and warn myself not to read this crap.
Either would work!
Kryozerkia
06-06-2005, 19:33
I wish...
- I could kill my ex-boyfriend with my bare hands and walk away with no consequences
- all stupid people were mandated by law to be sterilised
- the religious right was forbbiden from practicing it's religion until got a real education
- we just nuked the Bible Belt
- it was illegal for any right-wing party to exist in Canada
- anyone who listens to rap and hip-hop has to have a lobotomy; they're useless anyway
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 19:35
I wish...
- I could kill my ex-boyfriend with my bare hands and walk away with no consequences
- all stupid people were mandated by law to be sterilised
- the religious right was forbbiden from practicing it's religion until got a real education
- we just nuked the Bible Belt
- it was illegal for any right-wing party to exist in Canada
- anyone who listens to rap and hip-hop has to have a lobotomy; they're useless anyway
Will you marry me? :D
- anyone who listens to rap and hip-hop has to have a lobotomy; they're useless anyway
Hey, come on now. Appreciating an art is not a crime.
I dunno... I'd actually like to see the things you listed happen to such people. It would give them a good "life experience".
But the process of forcing people to do these things would likely undo any of the good that might come out of it, which is why they remain guilty wishes...
- anyone who listens to rap and hip-hop has to have a lobotomy; they're useless anyway
*raises hand*...you should qualify that a bit...I love rap and hip-hop from OTHER COUNTRIES...because it tends to be quite political and edgy rather than bling-blingy....do I still have to get the lobotomy?
Kryozerkia
06-06-2005, 19:50
Will you marry me? :D
;) aw, how cute! Sorry, but I already have a boyfriend...and we're semi-committed (his sister already sees wedding bells)...
Kryozerkia
06-06-2005, 19:52
*raises hand*...you should qualify that a bit...I love rap and hip-hop from OTHER COUNTRIES...because it tends to be quite political and edgy rather than bling-blingy....do I still have to get the lobotomy?
I mean the crap that has no point, and is about nothing more than bling-blingy, hos, violence et cetera... Basically, the stuff that all sounds the same and leaves nothing for the imagination.
I mean the crap that has no point, and is about nothing more than bling-blingy, hos, violence et cetera... Basically, the stuff that all sounds the same and leaves nothing for the imagination.
Well then...don't confine your genres to hip-hop and rap, because there exists such McDonaldized music in EVERY genre. It should all be flushed for excrement it is!
But the process of forcing people to do these things would likely undo any of the good that might come out of it, which is why they remain guilty wishes...
Yeah. Well, you know what they say...
"You can't always get what you want."
New Sans
06-06-2005, 19:57
Well then...don't confine your genres to hip-hop and rap, because there exists such McDonaldized music in EVERY genre. It should all be flushed for excrement it is!
Speaking of this I wish that the creators of those McDonalds comercials would be loaded onto a boat, driven out to the north pole, and then have the ship sunk.
The Nazz
06-06-2005, 19:58
This one's going to stir up some shit, probably, and I feel really guilty when I have it and would never actually want it to happen but:
sometimes when I look at my student loan payment, I wish the economy would melt down so that my payoff would be a week's wages. I'd never actually want that to happen because it would hurt far too many people, and the bad karma that comes from even wishing it has got to be a bitch, but damn. Sometimes...
Speaking of this I wish that the creators of those McDonalds comercials would be loaded onto a boat, driven out to the north pole, and then have the ship sunk.
I'd be loving THAT!
And have you noticed that on kids channels, while they don't advertise McDonald's products, they have all these commericals with good old Ronald McDonald engaging in physcial activity with kids, and having all sorts of fun...good Branding! :headbang:
Kryozerkia
06-06-2005, 20:05
Oh yeah!
Couldn't we just make it illegal for McDonalds to even exist? :p
New Sans
06-06-2005, 20:06
I'd be loving THAT!
And have you noticed that on kids channels, while they don't advertise McDonald's products, they have all these commericals with good old Ronald McDonald engaging in physcial activity with kids, and having all sorts of fun...good Branding! :headbang:
Well with the amount of healthy materials in their food they damn well better be telling kids to exercise if they are gonna eat there.
Marmite Toast
06-06-2005, 20:18
I have plenty of wishes about what should happen to the bad people of the world, but I never feel guilty about them...
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 20:27
;) aw, how cute! Sorry, but I already have a boyfriend...and we're semi-committed (his sister already sees wedding bells)...
Dang.
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 20:31
*raises hand*...you should qualify that a bit...I love rap and hip-hop from OTHER COUNTRIES...because it tends to be quite political and edgy rather than bling-blingy....do I still have to get the lobotomy?
There exists good rap and hip-hop even in the United States. You just don't see it or hear it because it's about relevant material and not bling and bitches. It doesn't sell Nikes.
Markreich
06-06-2005, 20:48
I wish that liberals were as tolerant towards others as they demand from the conservatives. The street has to go both ways.
...and I wish that conservatives were more about conservation than conservativism. It's about keeping and improving what WE have, fellas, not playing with the system to gain what you want.
Kryozerkia
06-06-2005, 21:03
Dang.
Sorry 'bout that, toots...plus you're down there in Jesusland.... ;)
How would this make the rich and powerful see how the poor live? You forgot to add that the CEOs who think that workers are just cogs in the machine, to be replaced at will, should have to spend some time 'on the floor' (what a great special!) for the same amount of time...to remember where they started from. I think it would give them some good insights into running their company too. Plus, everyone BORN into money, rather than having worked for it, should have to get their hands dirty and be blue collar for a while. But none of this Paris Hilton interns crap, please.
Ditto for the misudnerstandings at work.
Oh, I was ADDING that part to the bit the other chap said. Sorry, I wasn't clear on that.
Sdaeriji
06-06-2005, 21:12
Sorry 'bout that, toots...plus you're down there in Jesusland.... ;)
I'm from Massachusetts!
I should add to my list many of the options that have been mentioned...the nuking of the whole Middle East region is something I have a black desire for, though the academic in me would slightly modify that so we would irradiate the region (making it utterly unliveable) but wouldn't destroy the art and architecture. It's sort of like how I feel about the Vatican; I secretly wish many of the people in the Vatican would disappear, but I would never wish harm on the city itself because of the wonderful monuments to human ingenuity and talent that it contains.
I also would like to see some kind of poetically vicious punishment inflicted upon all the teen pop sensations.
I wish the anti-choice crowd would be impoverished single moms and have 14 kids
That's basically my grandmother... no wait, she had 16 kids, one of which who died. She was widowed also.She stayed anti-choice up to the end. Part of your wish granted, i guess. Happy?
Bellania
06-06-2005, 21:18
-I wish the Dems had fielded a better candidate in 2004 and 2000.
-I wish W. was less of an idiot
-I wish Bush actually funded hydrogen power like he said he would during his State of the Union addresses.
-I wish the people who recruited suicide bombers would have the balls to do it themselves, so the damn violence would end.
-I wish the politicians would get the fuck out of the classroom, and let the trained professionals do their damn jobs.
-I wish Bush had actually gone to war, so maybe he'd have been less eager to jump into it.
-I wish portions of the African-American population would stop blaming the man when they're sitting at home doing nothing.
-I wish the man would stop abusing minorities.
-I wish I was a little bit taller, I wish I was a baller, I wish I had a cat in a hat with a bat
-I wish Oprah actually cared about the people on her show.
-I wish Jerry Falwell had to live as a homosexual.
That's all for now
New Sans
06-06-2005, 21:19
I also would like to see some kind of poetically vicious punishment inflicted upon all the teen pop sensations.
Vh1 reality tv shows? Wait those hurt everyone....
Bellania
06-06-2005, 21:25
I also would like to see some kind of poetically vicious punishment inflicted upon all the teen pop sensations.
I would like to beat Britney Spears with a stick until she was on key.
Cannot think of a name
06-06-2005, 21:50
-I wish Jerry Falwell had to live as a homosexual.
I was in a workshop recently where another playwright wrote something similar. Though it was that a 'Falwell' was thrust in a Twilight Zone world where homosexuality was the norm and heterosexuality was the sin.
Cannot think of a name
06-06-2005, 21:55
This one's going to stir up some shit, probably, and I feel really guilty when I have it and would never actually want it to happen but:
sometimes when I look at my student loan payment, I wish the economy would melt down so that my payoff would be a week's wages. I'd never actually want that to happen because it would hurt far too many people, and the bad karma that comes from even wishing it has got to be a bitch, but damn. Sometimes...
Not really alone. The moment me and a friend found out that the richest americans where transfering their wealth to euros both our first thoughts where, "Well, that'll make the student loans easier." assuming they knew something we didn't.
I wish the violence of a crime could be assessed in the number of lives effected, so then people like the Enron and corperate criminals would be hit by three strikes laws and do the time reletive to the damage they do to peoples lives.
Jello Biafra
07-06-2005, 12:06
Even though I am in favor of privacy rights, I wish I could read other people's thoughts.
Even though I am against violent punishment, I wish people who cheat repeatedly on their partners (and don't tell them) would be castrated and/or sutured up.
There are more, but that's what I can think of at the moment.
-I wish Jerry Falwell had to live as a homosexual.
That's all for now
I was in NYC and saw him doing one of his little protest/rally things...There was a woman holding a sign that said "thank god for 9/11", others holding signs saying "AIDS cures FAGS" and things like that. I wanted to put them in a building, crash a plane into it, and then cheer as it fell. I wanted to stab them with a dirty needle and give them aids. I wanted to send them to a poor subsaharan african nation and let them see what hardship is.
I wish every liberal that wants to give my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy crack heads who do nothing but have more lazy crack heads under our wonderful welfare system be required to house and support one of these lazy crackheads in their own house
I wish anyone who wants to grow HUMAN embrios for stem cell research be required to become human medical test subjects for all such reseach
I wish that anyone opposed to capital punishment be required to have a violent felon convicted of a capital crime live in their house and pay for their upkeep
Manawskistan
08-06-2005, 04:07
I wish every liberal that wants to give my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy crack heads who do nothing but have more lazy crack heads under our wonderful welfare system be required to house and support one of these lazy crackheads in their own house
I wish anyone who wants to grow HUMAN embrios for stem cell research be required to become human medical test subjects for all such reseach
I wish that anyone opposed to capital punishment be required to have a violent felon convicted of a capital crime live in their house and pay for their upkeep
Umm, ok. One of the reasons we have stem cell research on embryos and not fully grown human beings is because we can actually get stem cells from embryos. If stem cells mean I live longer, I'm for it. If stem cells mean that my future wife and children live longer, I'm for it. Hell, if stem cells mean that the old man down the street lives longer, I'm for it. If they want to inject me with a treatment for whatever I may have wrong with me and that involves stem cells, I'm for it. I feel good about the betterment of society in the name of science.
Dempublicents1
08-06-2005, 04:21
I wish every liberal that wants to give my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy crack heads who do nothing but have more lazy crack heads under our wonderful welfare system be required to house and support one of these lazy crackheads in their own house
I think you are imagining things here. I have not heard anyone suggest that we should sit by idly and support crack heads in their habits.
I wish anyone who wants to grow HUMAN embrios for stem cell research be required to become human medical test subjects for all such reseach
Sure, as soon as you can figure out how to ask them at the blastocyst stage what they support and don't, since that's the only point at which we can get ES cells.
I suppose, however, that you would prefer these embryos be thrown out with the trash? That is what will happen to them otherwise.
Eutrusca
08-06-2005, 04:27
In my rational mind, I know I believe in certain things. But, like most people, another part of me wishes for things that are totally inconsistent with my rational beliefs.
[ major snippage ]
I don't REALLY support these things, and I wouldn't REALLY support them if somebody actually proposed them. But there is that nasty side of me that secretly wishes...
Does anybody else have guilty wishes of this sort?
Guilty wishes? Hmmm.
A few years back there was a comic strip called "BC." It was about these stone-age people who ran around doing all sorts of wierd things. If they did something to anger "the gods," a huge lightning bolt would fly out of the sky and "Zot!" them.
My "guilty wish" is that every time someone refused to think about whatever sort of idiocy they were advocating, they would get a massive "ZOT!" :)
Dempublicents1
08-06-2005, 04:27
I sometimes wish that we could license people to have kids - I see way too many poor parents out there.
I sometimes wish that torture wasn't such a horrible thing - so that we could use it on those who have used it themselves.
I also gree with the guilty wish that those who oppose research, whether it be ESC research, or the use of animal models, or any other such rant - should be denied access to any and all medical treatments rising out of such research.
Somtimes I really wish that there was a global eugenics program. With me in charge.
I sometimes wish that we could license people to have kids - I see way too many poor parents out there.
I sometimes wish that torture wasn't such a horrible thing - so that we could use it on those who have used it themselves.
I also gree with the guilty wish that those who oppose research, whether it be ESC research, or the use of animal models, or any other such rant - should be denied access to any and all medical treatments rising out of such research.
Add those to my list :).
Jordaxia
08-06-2005, 04:39
Guilty wishes? Hmmm.
A few years back there was a comic strip called "BC." It was about these stone-age people who ran around doing all sorts of wierd things. If they did something to anger "the gods," a huge lightning bolt would fly out of the sky and "Zot!" them.
My "guilty wish" is that every time someone refused to think about whatever sort of idiocy they were advocating, they would get a massive "ZOT!" :)
That's really not a guilty wish, ya know :D
Sometimes I wish that everyone, everywhere, agreed with me. it's a lot better than the often embarassment I cause to myself when I debate (so I don't break any major rules, but my arguments have more holes than swiss cheese, which is a major rule.. Well, you now have an example.
I'm right, anyway, so I see not the cause for disagreement.
I also wish that ALL women who are physically attractive would burn in somewhere very hot. That's a temporary thing, envy and all that. But this is for guilty wishes, aye?
I wish that the political nasties who I disagree with would die, without the inevitable negative side-effects that it'd cause, like power vacuums and the whole mess. (though this doesn't really seem so guilty.)
Markreich
08-06-2005, 13:17
Sometimes I wish that everyone, everywhere, agreed with me. it's a lot better than the often embarassment I cause to myself when I debate (so I don't break any major rules, but my arguments have more holes than swiss cheese, which is a major rule.. Well, you now have an example.
I'm right, anyway, so I see not the cause for disagreement.
Aha!! That explains it!! ;)
I also wish that ALL women who are physically attractive would burn in somewhere very hot. That's a temporary thing, envy and all that. But this is for guilty wishes, aye?
Hmm. Not sure what do to with that.
Other than this: I was sitting on the train this morning, reading my TIME magazine and minding my own business. The 1st car was the bar car, (almost no seats... and no bar service in the AM) so the 2nd car was crowded. Since my stop is near the beginning of the line, I had a good seat, the aisle of a 3 seater.
We got to Westport, and a goddess asks to sit in the middle seat. Of couse, I get up to let her in. She had the looks, the voice, and moved like an angel.
I kept my mirrorshades on the whole way, kept conversation to a total minimum, and stole no glances during the ride... Lest I inspire thoughts that would get me a good ass-whooping by my overactive Catholic guilt (and perhaps from my girlfriend). But just seeing her at 6.37 am has made my day... :)
I wish that the political nasties who I disagree with would die, without the inevitable negative side-effects that it'd cause, like power vacuums and the whole mess. (though this doesn't really seem so guilty.)
Now that just makes for no fun at all. :D
Markreich
08-06-2005, 13:19
Guilty wishes? Hmmm.
A few years back there was a comic strip called "BC." It was about these stone-age people who ran around doing all sorts of wierd things. If they did something to anger "the gods," a huge lightning bolt would fly out of the sky and "Zot!" them.
My "guilty wish" is that every time someone refused to think about whatever sort of idiocy they were advocating, they would get a massive "ZOT!" :)
I thought I saw BC in the Daily News funnies (NYC) sometime last week??
(Yeah, it's a good strip. It's not Bloom County or Dilbert, but it's still a good strip...)
Jordaxia
08-06-2005, 13:22
Hmm. Not sure what do to with that.
Other than this: I was sitting on the train this morning, reading my TIME magazine and minding my own business. The 1st car was the bar car, (almost no seats... and no bar service in the AM) so the 2nd car was crowded. Since my stop is near the beginning of the line, I had a good seat, the aisle of a 3 seater.
We got to Westport, and a goddess asks to sit in the middle seat. Of couse, I get up to let her in. She had the looks, the voice, and moved like an angel.
I kept my mirrorshades on the whole way, kept conversation to a total minimum, and stole no glances during the ride... Lest I inspire thoughts that would get me a good ass-whooping by my overactive Catholic guilt (and perhaps from my girlfriend). But just seeing her at 6.37 am has made my day... :)
Well, take all that, allofit, and then add in your desire to BE that person and you'll have the twistedness that makes me want them TO BURN JUST FOR A WHILE. Damnit if I don't have a complex, and UTTERLY messed up gender/sexuality thing in my head. I have to deal with the physical attraction and the envious, ceaseless hatred whenever I go out!
(Though I'm not unique in that, I'm the only me so it's twice as bad. You understand, right?)
Markreich
08-06-2005, 14:17
Well, take all that, allofit, and then add in your desire to BE that person and you'll have the twistedness that makes me want them TO BURN JUST FOR A WHILE. Damnit if I don't have a complex, and UTTERLY messed up gender/sexuality thing in my head. I have to deal with the physical attraction and the envious, ceaseless hatred whenever I go out!
(Though I'm not unique in that, I'm the only me so it's twice as bad. You understand, right?)
Sounds to me like you need a bottle of Jack Daniels and three days in Vegas... :)
Somtimes I really wish that there was a global eugenics program. With me in charge.
Ooh, another good one. I don't really want to play God, but sometimes I really really want to play God...know what I mean?
Liskeinland
08-06-2005, 21:00
Well, take all that, allofit, and then add in your desire to BE that person and you'll have the twistedness that makes me want them TO BURN JUST FOR A WHILE. Damnit if I don't have a complex, and UTTERLY messed up gender/sexuality thing in my head. I have to deal with the physical attraction and the envious, ceaseless hatred whenever I go out!
(Though I'm not unique in that, I'm the only me so it's twice as bad. You understand, right?) I feel that way sometimes, even though I am neither a] a woman, nor b] had any bad experiences with women. :rolleyes:
Stormtrooper squads in huge armour to be sent into the streets to cleanse the chavs with flamers. But that's not really guilty. :(
To have an army of troopers to remove all humans who are undeserving of humanity.
Public flaying. Flaying.
I'm not feeling very guilty about these. Should I be?
LiazFaire
08-06-2005, 21:09
occasional guilty wish to be certain about something...
(i'm a complete philosopher, certainities somewhat rare in my head)
eg, that if i drop a penny, it'll hit the ground... just because it always has done before, does *not* mean that it will this time...
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occasional guilty wish to be certain about something...
(i'm a complete philosopher, certainities somewhat rare in my head)
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*Giggles.* That reminds me of some really stupid things I have done in video games. Like, "Maybe if I jump off the cliff here I won't die." When I do, I just laugh hysterically and try it all over again. :p
Xenophobialand
08-06-2005, 21:30
I have three, although none are political in nature.
The first might be more like a fantasy than a wish, because it involves both Jessica and Ashlee Simpson. Specifically, I'd like Jessica to hold Ashlee down while I kick her in the throat.
The second is that I honestly wish women were more consistent in their desires. They always say they want a man who is funny and respectful, but they never actually pick men who are funny and respectful; they seem to like assholes in practice more than anything else.
The third, coming close to the BC stuff, is that I wish I had a stuffed tiger who could be witty, wise, and could troupe around through a national park of a back yard with me.
I have three, although none are political in nature.
The first might be more like a fantasy than a wish, because it involves both Jessica and Ashlee Simpson. Specifically, I'd like Jessica to hold Ashlee down while I kick her in the throat.
Actually laughed out loud at that...After the first sentence I was sure you were going in a different direction with that "fantasy."
occasional guilty wish to be certain about something...
(i'm a complete philosopher, certainities somewhat rare in my head)
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Another chuckler...you people are so durn witty!! :)
Harlesburg
09-06-2005, 12:34
I once wished someone would die!
They were in a car crash and became paralysed from the neck down then i found out the reasons for me wishing such a thing were partially flawed and i almost fully regreted it.
But since i dont actually have that kind of power its kind of moot.
Sdaeriji
09-06-2005, 12:38
I wish I could realize my idea of the Internet Gun.
Harlesburg
09-06-2005, 12:40
I wish I could realize my idea of the Internet Gun.
Internet Vasectomy for you.
*Evil Glare*
Internet Vasectomy for you.
*Evil Glare*
That's awesome. Can you teach me that trick? :D
Aurores Lunacy
09-06-2005, 13:03
The second is that I honestly wish women were more consistent in their desires. They always say they want a man who is funny and respectful, but they never actually pick men who are funny and respectful; they seem to like assholes in practice more than anything else.
Funny, coz i wish men would make up their minds and actually commit.
I wish wealth was spread out equally among the peoples on this planet.
I wish Mother Nature would just kick our arse and start over... we're killing ourselves anyway with our indifference, so why not just make it quick.
I wish i had a perpetual supply of Haagen Daaz ice cream in my freezer, you know, for emergencies...
The Downmarching Void
09-06-2005, 13:05
I wish short people wouldn't be allowed to design anything functional. Its not fair having to live in a world of midgets, but to have to pay $1000 extra just to get a a matress long enough for comfort, and having to put up with all these public spaces designed in the 50s when the average citizen was nearly a foot shorter. I sometimes short people would all finally finish growing UP like the rest of us
Harlesburg
09-06-2005, 13:43
That's awesome. Can you teach me that trick? :D
What the Vasectomy or the Glare?
Vasectomy similar to the CyberHug but with more malice.
Glare its like eating a unripened Grapefruit also with more malice.
Lesson Number#1 ina series of 1+
I wish short people wouldn't be allowed to design anything functional. Its not fair having to live in a world of midgets, but to have to pay $1000 extra just to get a a matress long enough for comfort, and having to put up with all these public spaces designed in the 50s when the average citizen was nearly a foot shorter. I sometimes short people would all finally finish growing UP like the rest of us
And I wish all the big people would get smaller! They take up so much more room, eat more, have great big long legs that they stretch out across isles and in my way...stupid tall people! START SHRINKING!
Funny, coz i wish men would make up their minds and actually commit.
Dude, I wish exactly the opposite...I wish the man in my life weren't in such a hurry to commit :).
Swimmingpool
09-06-2005, 22:23
I wish all the big people would get smaller!
lol, that's cute.
Funny, coz i wish men would make up their minds and actually commit.
Commitment is overrated!
Swimmingpool
09-06-2005, 22:29
I wish every liberal that wants to give my hard earned money to a bunch of lazy crack heads who do nothing but have more lazy crack heads under our wonderful welfare system be required to house and support one of these lazy crackheads in their own house
That's actually the point of welfare. The government houses the crackhead so we don't have to. :)
I wish that anyone opposed to capital punishment be required to have a violent felon convicted of a capital crime live in their house and pay for their upkeep
That's also the point of prison. The government houses the criminals so we don't have to. :)
Martel France
09-06-2005, 22:30
I wish that anybody who believes in pro-choice, would have to go back in time and see their mother change their mind and be pro-choice, then they'd cease to exist.
I wish any woman who thinks she needs to be a feminist because the USA and West "oppress" women, would have to spend a year in either Sudan, Syria, Iran, or Afghanistan.
I wish that anybody on welfare would have to live in the desert, where survival depends on working.
Swimmingpool
09-06-2005, 22:31
I also wish that ALL women who are physically attractive would burn in somewhere very hot.
My pants, for instance?
The Abomination
09-06-2005, 23:03
I wish I could get all ARAs, anti-globalists and eco-terrorists into a nice large game reserve where they could practice their luddite ways and live in harmony with nature...
In the SUPREMELY unlikely event of their offspring surviving for more than a handful of generations, I want to be unfrozen to lead the worlds first Hippy Hunt. Or, failing that, become their god and lead them to a bright new future of technology and fast food...
Oh wait, GUILTY wishes. Damn.
Jordaxia
09-06-2005, 23:17
My pants, for instance?
Suits me fine... as long as it's firey death.
You have asbestos underwear?
Now that's being prepared.