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This post is made for you to say why you are in the political party you are in. If you aren't old enough to register(Like me, I'm only 13), but you know what party you want to join, that's fine. Okay, here it goes.

Why I am a Republican:
I believe that the family is greater than the individual.
I believe in capitalism and the right to own a business.
I am pro-life, including my anti-death penalty stance.
I believe that we need to hunt down the people who shed our blood on Sept. 11 and kill them to help secure the world.
I believe humans are more important than anything else except for God.
I believe that the Republican party can help America.

I am pro-life, including my anti-death penalty stance.
I believe that we need to hunt down the people who shed our blood on Sept. 11

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A slight contradiction don't you think?

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A slight contradiction don't you think?
You're kinda right about that. But you see, my beliefs are shaped by my Catholic faith. And Pope John Paul II even said that the terrorists needed to be taken care of. Anyways, thank you for pointing it out. I'm talking about domestic policies moreover.

.....why i am a...???....um.....pilot! :D

because i dont like big air industries :D!

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals should have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation.

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation. That's cool. Most people wouldn't go unaffliated, but I am glad you stick by your beliefs and don't go for any party.

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals should have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation.

Republicans agree with #1, at least.

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals should have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation.


Just out of curiosity, why don't you support the LP? They support all of those points.

That's cool. Most people wouldn't go unaffliated, but I am glad you stick by your beliefs and don't go for any party.
Well, I feel like if I have nothing else, at least I'll still have my convictions.

Why I am Czardas:

Um...because the other good names were taken?
Because 'Yon-Zharuyg v'Klot' didn't fit?
Because my genetic code runs ATTTCTATTGGATGCTGAGTATGCTAGGATCTTATTAAGAGTCTAGAG....okay, okay, I get your point!

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

Why I am a Democratic Socialist -
- I believe in democracy and a wide array of Civil Freedoms
- I believe that people should act not only for themselves but for the good of society and their neighbours. I believe a man who lives for himself and himself alone is not truly living for anything.
- I believe that people's happiness and rights should come before business profits
- I believe that economic inequality breeds many of the evils of this world
- I believe in Progressive income tax, a national health care system, and generous welfare programs to aid the poor and disenfranchized
- I believe that mankind cannot call himself civilized until he accepts the creation and maintenance of decent condtions of life for all peoples as mankind's universal duty. (stole'd from Albert Einstein)
- I believe in the philosophy "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
- I believe in a strongly secular government, but still in individuals rights to hold religious beliefs
- I am opposed to the death penalty
- I am a pacifist, and socialist parties are usually peaceful

Just out of curiosity, why don't you support the LP? They support all of those points.
Wait. If you're talking about the Classic Liberals, I already support them.

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals should have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation.

Holy crap, I'm with you totally, but right now you need to support the Demecrats, cuz they are for many of those.. points? At least Kerry is...somewht... Still, I respect your decision, even if it's wrong lol

I'm a veal eater, because it's either us or the cows.

Be vigilant!! Order the special!!

Why I am unaffiliated:

- I believe in the free market, because individuals should have the right to freely engage in trade with other individuals and enjoy the product of their labour.
- I believe in the rights of the individual to property, privacy, and self-determination.
- I believe that citizens should be allowed to do with their own bodies as they please, including abortion and drug use.
- I believe in science and technology, and I support cloning and embryonic stem cell research.
- I believe that the United States has zero right to engage in military adventures overseas.
- I believe that all of the major political parties in the United States have no favourable view toward all of these positions, and therefore I refuse to pledge my support to the Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, or any other U.S. political organisation.
Whoa. We should hang out some time.

I would also add several other platforms.
- I believe the government should not be involved in marriage in any way, for gay or straight citizens.
- I believe that there should be no recognized "freedom of religion." Freedom of speech, assembly, and expression should be equally protected for religious and secular matters, and no special treatment should be extended for "religious" reasons (nor should special privaledges be extended for secular reasons).
- I believe prostitution should be immediately legalized. It is legal to have sex, and it is legal to exchange one's work for monetary compensation, so why is it illegal to exchange sexual "work" for money?

Why I am Czardas:

Um...because the other good names were taken?
Because 'Yon-Zharuyg v'Klot' didn't fit?
Because my genetic code runs ATTTCTATTGGATGCTGAGTATGCTAGGATCTTATTAAGAGTCTAGAG....okay, okay, I get your point!

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe


isn't Czardas a style of east european music... or did i dream it in my music lesson...

Why I am unaffiliated
I believe in the individual rather than a community.
I believe in the free market, i.e. no government intervention. I believe that everyone has the right to operate their business and start one as they please, engage in free trade, and other such activities.
I believe that the government should not dicate morals.
I believe in the rule of law.
I believe that the individual is above the concept of god
I believe you should receive what you have worked for.
I do not believe in redistribution of wealth as is now, I favour a flat tax or a sales tax.
I believe that the current parties are polarising the US and that they bring nothing but corruption to the political system.
I believe in independence [ from collective thought]
I believe that private property is essential to a healthy civilisation.
I hold science and technology very dear and I favour stem cell research, embryonic stem cell research, cloning of organs, etc.
I believe that a woman has the right to choose, but the state shouldn't pay for it.
I do not believe in state sponsored murder.
I am a pacifist.
I believe that everyone should be able to do as they please as long as it does not stop another from doing likewise.
I believe in self-determination.
I believe that any non-criminal immigrant should be able to move into the country.
I believe that the US has no right to intervene in another nation's affairs.

Why I am an Anarcho-Communist:

-I believe in Socialism from the bottom up and delivering direct democracy through the trade unions and the workplace, which truly one of the cornerstone of any society, if not the most major.

-I see Western capitalist and social democracies as solely under the control of those with wealth, and the average person has almost no influence in the workings of Government.

-In contrast, I see the increased authority of a central government imposing socialism from above, whether revolutionary, or very unlikely, democratically elected*, as having the potential for disaster and totalitarianism.

-I believe all humans are equal, regardless of gender, race, sexual preference, etc..

-There are certain inalienable rights in society. These include the right to privacy, the right to free speech, and the right to be safe.

-I believe that we should work together collectively to achieve a better society, rather than come into conflict with one another on an individual level...

-I believe that modern technology can help us achieve this end.


*Well, the wealthy almost certainly won't give up their power over government democratically....

Whoa. We should hang out some time.

I would also add several other platforms.
- I believe the government should not be involved in marriage in any way, for gay or straight citizens.
- I believe that there should be no recognized "freedom of religion." Freedom of speech, assembly, and expression should be equally protected for religious and secular matters, and no special treatment should be extended for "religious" reasons (nor should special privaledges be extended for secular reasons).
- I believe prostitution should be immediately legalized. It is legal to have sex, and it is legal to exchange one's work for monetary compensation, so why is it illegal to exchange sexual "work" for money?

I actually agree with all of those too.
I sort of felt that the legality of prostitution fell under both the freedom of market and personal bodily freedom points I'd made.

isn't Czardas a style of east european music... or did i dream it in my music lesson...Yes it is, very perceptive! No-one else has noticed though :( We have a very musically uneducated group of people around here.

As a note, I actually picked that name because it was the name of a former pet dog, nothing to do with the Hungarian dance. (But it does help that Bartok is my third favorite composer.)

~Czardas, Supreme Ruler of the Universe

I actually agree with all of those too.
I sort of felt that the legality of prostitution fell under both the freedom of market and personal bodily freedom points I'd made.
Yeah, it pretty much falls under those, but I know lots of people who claim to support the free market and the right to choose and yet do not support legalized prostitution.

Why I'm not about to post my core political beliefs:

-I feel that I don't need other people to know exactly how I feel about some things.

-I'm too lazy to do it right now.

I am me because:
- I believe that human life begins once the first conscious thought is processed by the infant brain.
- I believe the death penelty is wrong in any circumstance.
- I believe people have the right to a free, secular education.
- I believe people have the right to free health care.
- I believe people have the right to do what they want with their bodies - be it prostitution, drugs, gay sex, fire-eating.
- I believe Creationists should be disallowed from participating in the creation of course content in schools.
- I believe that war is wrong under any circumstance. (Yes, I know this doesn't work in practise.)
- I believe all people are equal under the law, but not neccesarily in assets. The smartest should be treated as such etc.
- I believe "pure" Socialism is an idealistic fantasy which cannot ever work.
- I believe US-style Capitalism is wrong.
- I believe European style centrism is the most "correct" form of economic government, but not neccesarily the most efficient.
- I believe in a Federal Europe.
- I believe China will economically collapse within 10 years due to severe natural resource depletion.
- I believe the USA is already collapsing under it's own fundamentalist weight.
- I believe that "traditional family values" is an oxymoron - family values change.
- I believe discrimination based upon sex, creed, race or sexuality to be wrong.
- I believe American Republicans are wrong.
- I know George W. Bush is a moron.
- I believe Tony Blair was coerced into the Iraq war, and can no longer repent for fear of political ruin.
- I believe the Iraq and Afganistani wars were wrong - you still haven't caught Osama, mmm?
- I believe that Creationists/Religious Fundamentalists will eventually breed themselves out of existence, since society's intelligence (due to secular education) is now at a level where people are able to recognise the absurdity of their claims.
- I know I'm God, and that you're wrong.

Wait. If you're talking about the Classic Liberals, I already support them.

Nope - LP is the Libertarian Party.

Have a look at their platform, if you haven't already: http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

If you are familiar with it, I am curious as to what points you disagree with, as the points you stated above all seem to be represented there.

I am me because:
- I believe that human life begins once the first conscious thought is processed by the infant brain.
- I believe the death penelty is wrong in any circumstance.
- I believe people have the right to a free, secular education.
- I believe people have the right to free health care.
- I believe people have the right to do what they want with their bodies - be it prostitution, drugs, gay sex, fire-eating.
- I believe Creationists should be disallowed from participating in the creation of course content in schools.
- I believe that war is wrong under any circumstance. (Yes, I know this doesn't work in practise.)
- I believe all people are equal under the law, but not neccesarily in assets. The smartest should be treated as such etc.
- I believe "pure" Socialism is an idealistic fantasy which cannot ever work.
- I believe US-style Capitalism is wrong.
- I believe European style centrism is the most "correct" form of economic government, but not neccesarily the most efficient.
- I believe in a Federal Europe.
- I believe China will economically collapse within 10 years due to severe natural resource depletion.
- I believe the USA is already collapsing under it's own fundamentalist weight.
- I believe that "traditional family values" is an oxymoron - family values change.
- I believe discrimination based upon sex, creed, race or sexuality to be wrong.
- I believe American Republicans are wrong.
- I know George W. Bush is a moron.
- I believe Tony Blair was coerced into the Iraq war, and can no longer repent for fear of political ruin.
- I believe the Iraq and Afganistani wars were wrong - you still haven't caught Osama, mmm?
- I believe that Creationists/Religious Fundamentalists will eventually breed themselves out of existence, since society's intelligence (due to secular education) is now at a level where people are able to recognise the absurdity of their claims.
- I know I'm God, and that you're wrong.
You started out fine, but then you started insulting Republicans and fundamentalists. This thread wasn't for insulting each other, just saying why you are who you are. I don't think it is fair to say that creationists/religious fundamentalists' claims are absurd. Lots of people who aren't creationists/religious fundamentalists would say that your claims are absurd too. It's all a point of view. You have the right to say what you have and that's fine. I don't want you to change your views. But, I have another problem with your reasons. How is George W. Bush, a man who got college degrees at Harvard and Yale, a moron?

Why I'm not about to post my core political beliefs:

-I feel that I don't need other people to know exactly how I feel about some things.

-I'm too lazy to do it right now.
That's fine.

Why I am unaffiliated...

Why unaffiliated? You are the classic example of a libertarian.

Why I Am A Communist

I believe in fairness, social and distributive justice, and social responsibility.
I believe we all have a responsibilty to each other, just by merit of being alive, and to neglect another or to take more than what is fair, and thus deprive another of what is theirs, is more than simple theft, but is morally reprehensible.
I believe that it is sheer luck that i was born here in an affluent country, and it is my duty, in some shape or form, to help those less fortunate than myself.
I believe that communism, in some of its various guises, can actually hope to achieve the ideological aims put forward by these beliefs, in the long term.
I believe that the pursuit of power and wealth is selfish, small minded and short-termist thinking, and the world would be a better place if cooperation took over from competition and greed as the primary human driving force.
I believe capitalism causes more problems than it solves; especially with regard to social responsibility, equality and fairness, and the destruction of our environment, by supporting and holding in high regard unsustainable levels of economic growth and depletion of natural resources.
I am an idealist and i believe yesterday's answers have nothing to do with today's questions. The system we inherit now is perhaps not the best system for our modern 1st world post-industrial societies, where the struggle is no longer simply to survive, but for meaning.

I am me because:
- I believe that human life begins once the first conscious thought is processed by the infant brain.
- I believe the death penelty is wrong in any circumstance.
- I believe people have the right to a free, secular education.
- I believe people have the right to free health care.
- I believe people have the right to do what they want with their bodies - be it prostitution, drugs, gay sex, fire-eating.
- I believe Creationists should be disallowed from participating in the creation of course content in schools.
- I believe that war is wrong under any circumstance. (Yes, I know this doesn't work in practise.)
- I believe all people are equal under the law, but not neccesarily in assets. The smartest should be treated as such etc.
- I believe "pure" Socialism is an idealistic fantasy which cannot ever work.
- I believe US-style Capitalism is wrong.
- I believe European style centrism is the most "correct" form of economic government, but not neccesarily the most efficient.
- I believe in a Federal Europe.
- I believe China will economically collapse within 10 years due to severe natural resource depletion.
- I believe the USA is already collapsing under it's own fundamentalist weight.
- I believe that "traditional family values" is an oxymoron - family values change.
- I believe discrimination based upon sex, creed, race or sexuality to be wrong.
- I believe American Republicans are wrong.
- I know George W. Bush is a moron.
- I believe Tony Blair was coerced into the Iraq war, and can no longer repent for fear of political ruin.
- I believe the Iraq and Afganistani wars were wrong - you still haven't caught Osama, mmm?
- I believe that Creationists/Religious Fundamentalists will eventually breed themselves out of existence, since society's intelligence (due to secular education) is now at a level where people are able to recognise the absurdity of their claims.
- I know I'm God, and that you're wrong.

Your total lack of a stance on veal and the great cow menace tells me that you are a radical and not to be trusted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/genome/guide/img/cow.jpg

Look... they're up to something!

Nope - LP is the Libertarian Party.

Have a look at their platform, if you haven't already: http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

If you are familiar with it, I am curious as to what points you disagree with, as the points you stated above all seem to be represented there.

Actually, come to think of it, there aren't any points of the party that I have a problem with it. Thanks for clarifying their platform! I'm definitely going to read through the site in greater detail.

Your total lack of a stance on veal and the great cow menace tells me that you are a radical and not to be trusted.
Look... they're up to something!

Addendum:
- I believe meat is great. Kangaroo for all!

Why I Am A Communist

I believe in fairness, social and distributive justice, and social responsibility.
I believe we all have a responsibilty to each other, just by merit of being alive, and to neglect another or to take more than what is fair, and thus deprive another of what is theirs, is more than simple theft, but is morally reprehensible.
I believe that it is sheer luck that i was born here in an affluent country, and it is my duty, in some shape or form, to help those less fortunate than myself.
I believe that communism, in some of its various guises, can actually hope to achieve the ideological aims put forward by these beliefs, in the long term.
I believe that the pursuit of power and wealth is selfish, small minded and short-termist thinking, and the world would be a better place if cooperation took over from competition and greed as the primary human driving force.
I believe capitalism causes more problems than it solves; especially with regard to social responsibility, equality and fairness, and the destruction of our environment, by supporting and holding in high regard unsustainable levels of economic growth and depletion of natural resources.
I am an idealist and i believe yesterday's answers have nothing to do with today's questions. The system we inherit now is perhaps not the best system for our modern 1st world post-industrial societies, where the struggle is no longer simply to survive, but for meaning.

If you change that "communist" to "humanity" and "guises" to "efforts" in the bold section, then you're also a Catholic! ;)

(Before I get jumped on: yes, I'm Catholic.)

Why I am a Democratic Socialist -
- I believe in democracy and a wide array of Civil Freedoms
- I believe that people should act not only for themselves but for the good of society and their neighbours. I believe a man who lives for himself and himself alone is not truly living for anything.
- I believe that people's happiness and rights should come before business profits
- I believe that economic inequality breeds many of the evils of this world
- I believe in Progressive income tax, a national health care system, and generous welfare programs to aid the poor and disenfranchized
- I believe that mankind cannot call himself civilized until he accepts the creation and maintenance of decent condtions of life for all peoples as mankind's universal duty. (stole'd from Albert Einstein)
- I believe in the philosophy "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
- I believe in a strongly secular government, but still in individuals rights to hold religious beliefs
- I am opposed to the death penalty
- I am a pacifist, and socialist parties are usually peaceful
Ditto

Addendum:
- I believe meat is great. Kangaroo for all!

How do I know you're not just one of those sneaky radicals that is just telling me what I want to hear before you steal my veal??

(PS- You're right though. Those McRib sandwiches in the late 70s & early 80s were AWESOME!!)

hmmm
- I believe in the right of a free health care
- I believe a person can do whatever he can with his body, but self-inflicted injuries that are not an accident should not be allowed to be treated.
- I believe tax should be higher
- I believe in educational equality, which means, free education for all, of all levels, unaffected by age or the ammount of times you failed. This is where the tax should apply.
- I believe in the legalisation of drugs should, but all the distribution of drugs should be government controlled and taxed.
- I believe that we should start focusing on alternative energy, since oil is running low. This should be a priority worldwide.
- I believe that the government has no right to decide who to attack(on a massive scale that is), i think this should be the same as elections.

That's about all i can get out of my head. Don't know what it makes me, since i'm no american.

I'm pro-choice, I support gay marriage, and I say kill those involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, but don't use them to go to war with Iraq.

Why I am a Thatcherite Conservative

> I think that privatisation is best for everybody, and that we should privatise all national companies.
> I agree with all Conservative views, except the abortion and euthanasia ones.
> I think that we were right to go to war with Argentina over the Falklands.
> I feel that America is better for Britain than Europe, becuase as Thatcher would say, "Europe was made by history, America was made by philosophy".
> I feel that Britain should keep the pound.
> I agree with a cap on immigration.
> I agree that we should take power from the Trade Unions
> I feel that weshould abolish minimum wage laws.
> I think that we should lower taxes
> I feel that taking funds from public services to lower taxes is the right thing to do.
> And finally i just want to punch Tony Blair and Whatever his name Keneddy in the face.

Why I am a bit of a commie-actually, quite a bit of one:
Because I believe in equality, I guess?
Why I am a "social libertarian":
Because it makes sense to me!
Why I don't consider myself a part of any one party:
I hate politicians.

I think that covers it.

If you change that "communist" to "humanity" and "guises" to "efforts" in the bold section, then you're also a Catholic! ;)

(Before I get jumped on: yes, I'm Catholic.)
catholic?!?

well fair enough, i always wanted one of those funny Bishop's hats :D

It seems that the majority of members of nationstates are liberal. Just a wild guess. I have nothing against it.

It seems that the majority of members of nationstates are liberal. Just a wild guess. I have nothing against it.

Really? I have a lot of things against it.

Really? I have a lot of things against it.
I mean I don't hate them, I just hate their beliefs.

I mean I don't hate them, I just hate their beliefs.

Oh. good for you.

I mean I don't hate them, I just hate their beliefs.
Yeah? Well, I don't your beliefs, I just hate you! Why? Because I'm racist-I believe the human race is inferior to the alien race(s). I also love you because I love all humans and I'm an irritatingly good person.

Why I am a Republican:
Because you are blissfully ignorant. :p

But, never mind my sarcastic remark...

You can however have fun with me challenging your beliefs. If you truly believe in them so strongly, you'll be able to defend why you do. Do not take this as being a flame or trolling, but I found there being flaws in the logic behind your beliefs, and I'm curious to see why you think this way.

I believe that the family is greater than the individual.

No it isn't. The family is an important element in any civilisation, as it makes you a set of allies for life, but it doesn't mean that they are more important than the individual.

Early in life, having a strong family helps child development, but as a whole, the family isn't always as important.

And how do you define family? Family is a very vague term. It can mean any group of people, even if they are unrelated. You know that Muslims consider themselves to be family; a very large family. The Greeks (as far as I know, from the way my family acts), if you're Greek, you're automatically a cousin.

It's all really relative. The concept is important, but, if a family isn't nuturing, how can it be important? And what makes one kind of family more nuturing than another?

I believe in capitalism and the right to own a business.

But with that right comes responsibility. There are people who aren't qualified to be managers even though they have a right to run businesses. However, they still do because it is their right because of the 'free market' society that America has.

If you believe in that right, surely you must believe in a good work ethic, proper practices, and that exploiting workers for the gains that capitalism presents is a factor. You can't just dismiss the rights of those who work for you in a capitalist society, because they will then revolt because they have a right to be treated fairly and they can leave you and cause you to lose business because of unethical practices.

I am pro-life, including my anti-death penalty stance.
I believe that we need to hunt down the people who shed our blood on Sept. 11 and kill them to help secure the world.

Wow, very nice job of contradicting yourself. You've just completely invalidated your statement about being pro-life like a true Republican.

How can you sit there saying that you're pro-life when in the next direct proceeding statement you talk about bloodshed? I do agree that those who committed the 9/11 atrocities ought to be hunted down like the savage beasts that they are and treated like the common thugs that they are, but, to kill? That then makes you and all they others that believe really no better than those who believe that the Americans that died on 9/11 deserved it.

How will killing more people than were killed on 9/11 help secure the world? The American government is just proving that they can be a bigger bully than the so-called terrorists.

Yes, I understand a need to 'secure' the world, nice youthfully naive belief, but, I'm sorry, but it isn't about to happen. Even the most pacifistic human is inherenatly bellicose. it is in our primitive nature to fight; we fight to survive in many ways, and today's method happens to include many ways, including with guns.

I could go on, but then I'd just be ranting, but do you see where I'm going with this? That while you can hope that the world can one day be secured, that it can't be done by an invading force.

The US is an invading force in Iraq (for example) and there are no two ways about it. And they aren't helping with the securing. In fact, if anything, they have made it worse.

No, I'm not opening this up for debate, as there are already plenty of threads; I'm just pointing out a small flaw in your bright-eyed bushy-tailed idealism; sorry to burst your bubble kid, but someone has to break the rose-coloured glass that mommy and daddy put up for you.

I believe humans are more important than anything else except for God.

If you believe in this tiny microcosm of a world that we live in, it's fine as a small belief, because our world is just a tiny place.

As a macrocosm we are so insignificant that even 'God' is insignficant. There is something more important God, and that is the macrocosm that is the rest of the universe that we only know so much about.

Yes, 'God' is important to you, but, in the bigger picture, is he really that important? Look at how small our planet is... Look at how small humans are... Are we really so all-fired up important that we need to be at the top of the food chain? Or is that just overinflated egotism?

I believe that the Republican party can help America.

uh..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*gasps for air* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!! Oh...that's great for a laugh. *ahem* I'm sorry, but, really, how IS the Republican Party helping America?

If you truly believe that they are helping America, how are they helping?

catholic?!?

well fair enough, i always wanted one of those funny Bishop's hats :D

Ayep. Ironic, no? :)

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Because you are blissfully ignorant. :p

But, never mind my sarcastic remark...

You can however have fun with me challenging your beliefs. If you truly believe in them so strongly, you'll be able to defend why you do. Do not take this as being a flame or trolling, but I found there being flaws in the logic behind your beliefs, and I'm curious to see why you think this way.



No it isn't. The family is an important element in any civilisation, as it makes you a set of allies for life, but it doesn't mean that they are more important than the individual.

Early in life, having a strong family helps child development, but as a whole, the family isn't always as important.

And how do you define family? Family is a very vague term. It can mean any group of people, even if they are unrelated. You know that Muslims consider themselves to be family; a very large family. The Greeks (as far as I know, from the way my family acts), if you're Greek, you're automatically a cousin.

It's all really relative. The concept is important, but, if a family isn't nuturing, how can it be important? And what makes one kind of family more nuturing than another?



But with that right comes responsibility. There are people who aren't qualified to be managers even though they have a right to run businesses. However, they still do because it is their right because of the 'free market' society that America has.

If you believe in that right, surely you must believe in a good work ethic, proper practices, and that exploiting workers for the gains that capitalism presents is a factor. You can't just dismiss the rights of those who work for you in a capitalist society, because they will then revolt because they have a right to be treated fairly and they can leave you and cause you to lose business because of unethical practices.



Wow, very nice job of contradicting yourself. You've just completely invalidated your statement about being pro-life like a true Republican.

How can you sit there saying that you're pro-life when in the next direct proceeding statement you talk about bloodshed? I do agree that those who committed the 9/11 atrocities ought to be hunted down like the savage beasts that they are and treated like the common thugs that they are, but, to kill? That then makes you and all they others that believe really no better than those who believe that the Americans that died on 9/11 deserved it.

How will killing more people than were killed on 9/11 help secure the world? The American government is just proving that they can be a bigger bully than the so-called terrorists.

Yes, I understand a need to 'secure' the world, nice youthfully naive belief, but, I'm sorry, but it isn't about to happen. Even the most pacifistic human is inherenatly bellicose. it is in our primitive nature to fight; we fight to survive in many ways, and today's method happens to include many ways, including with guns.

I could go on, but then I'd just be ranting, but do you see where I'm going with this? That while you can hope that the world can one day be secured, that it can't be done by an invading force.

The US is an invading force in Iraq (for example) and there are no two ways about it. And they aren't helping with the securing. In fact, if anything, they have made it worse.

No, I'm not opening this up for debate, as there are already plenty of threads; I'm just pointing out a small flaw in your bright-eyed bushy-tailed idealism; sorry to burst your bubble kid, but someone has to break the rose-coloured glass that mommy and daddy put up for you.



If you believe in this tiny microcosm of a world that we live in, it's fine as a small belief, because our world is just a tiny place.

As a macrocosm we are so insignificant that even 'God' is insignficant. There is something more important God, and that is the macrocosm that is the rest of the universe that we only know so much about.

Yes, 'God' is important to you, but, in the bigger picture, is he really that important? Look at how small our planet is... Look at how small humans are... Are we really so all-fired up important that we need to be at the top of the food chain? Or is that just overinflated egotism?



uh..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...*gasps for air* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!! Oh...that's great for a laugh. *ahem* I'm sorry, but, really, how IS the Republican Party helping America?

If you truly believe that they are helping America, how are they helping? Those are my beliefs, but I guess I should explain them better. By saying that the family is greater than individuals I mean that family values are more important that the individual's belief in "if it feels good, do it". I agree that if you wish to own a business you must treat your employees well, and if you are corrupt, then by all means, your employees should go on strike.
By saying the two contradicting statements I am meaning domestic issues when it comes to pro-life, but when it comes to defending ourselves against terrorists, we must exterminate them before they exterminate us. My beliefs are shaped by my Catholic faith, and that's why I believe we must destroy the terrorists, for after 9/11, Pope John Paul II himself said that America must retaliate in order to help rid the world of the infection known as terrorism. By saying humans are the most important next to God, I mean that human needs come before the enviroment. I believe the Republican Party will help America because America's moral standards need some repairing.

It seems that the majority of members of nationstates are liberal. Just a wild guess. I have nothing against it.


Yep.　That's　been shown a couple of times from analysis of Political Compass ratings and what not. (Free Soviets did a good one on that last year.)

Wow, now this is getting interesting...

Those are my beliefs, but I guess I should explain them better.

By all means. It'll make this all the more interesting.

By saying that the family is greater than individuals I mean that family values are more important that the individual's belief in "if it feels good, do it".

Yes, as the core system of basic human development and learning, family values are important and they are a corner stone in society, but there needs to be a point in which those values need to step out of the drivers seat to make away for personal rights, do you not agree?

I agree that if you wish to own a business you must treat your employees well, and if you are corrupt, then by all means, your employees should go on strike.

Ah, you're moderate here. That's good.

Capitalism always sounds so extreme and anti-union to left-wingers and some centrists; so, it's nice to see that while you believe in a free-market, that you acknowledge that the workers deserve a voice too.

By saying the two contradicting statements I am meaning domestic issues when it comes to pro-life, but when it comes to defending ourselves against terrorists, we must exterminate them before they exterminate us.

My beliefs are shaped by my Catholic faith, and that's why I believe we must destroy the terrorists, for after 9/11, Pope John Paul II himself said that America must retaliate in order to help rid the world of the infection known as terrorism.

Yes, it is important to fight those who use terrorism as a weapon to instill fear in the hearts of cilvians, but, this is where is a problem. Innocent civilians come into the crossfire, such as the innocents in 9/11, and now the innocent Iraqi and Afghani and other citizens.

If America is going to retaliate, do you not believe that if your country was truly pure in its intentions that it would do everything to protect the bystanders? And all of those who aren't terrorists from both the unscrupolous officers, such as those at Abu Ghraib and (and to a much lesser extent) Guatanamo?

Yes, the late Pope did preach that America had a right to protect itself, but do you truly believe that the excessive number of deaths is truly worth it? And not just the lives of the Iraqis and Afgahnis, but also of the American soliders who are giving their lives for you, your family, and their country?

By saying humans are the most important next to God, I mean that human needs come before the enviroment.

Humans are affected by the environment. We can improve some of our needs by improving the environment, do you not agree? After all, the very air we breath is contaiminated by us. We have medical solutions to help us, but, isn't there a need to fix what we broke? Isn't there a human need to protect the environment that gives us life and sustains us?

I believe the Republican Party will help America because America's moral standards need some repairing.

I won't argue with you here, as much as I think the Reoublican Party is busting at the seams with hypocrites...

- I believe in Progressive income tax, a national health care system, and generous welfare programs to aid the poor and disenfranchized

Welfare programs aren't too generous to the people they're pilfering. Ever thought of that?

Party politics is kind of a joke, if you ask me. No, it’s a huge joke. That’s why I don’t affiliate myself with a party, and just look at issues which take a bit of work in and of itself. Don’t get me wrong, I am an active voter and try to stay informed as best I can, but here’s the thing. If you are a Bush or Kerry supporter, ask yourself: do you really know how these two people act when they’re doing their job? What kinds of bills did Kerry vote for or against in Congress? Do you know? And how do you know, did you read it from a newspaper that says something vague, like “Kerry is in support of social security”, or did you go to the senate website and look it up yourself? What has Bush done about the war in Iraq, if you are so for or against it, as the case may be? Do you have direct sources? Most people don’t, because they’d be totally surprised at what they would find.

Ayep. Ironic, no? :)

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woohoo!!

*excommunicates j00*


what was that you said? ;)

Why unaffiliated? You are the classic example of a libertarian.
I do not believe in parties, they don't contribute anything except corruption IMHO.