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Obviously, Hitler won't be in the poll, because he'd receive 100% of the votes. So, I ask you: aside from Hitler, who was the most evil Nazi?

Himmler i imagine

or Mengele.

Actually, Mengele.

Heydrich, without a doubt.

Eichmann

Whispering Legs and Swimmingpool, please elaborate. Neither of those names sound familiar.

I'd agree - along with Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich was definately one of the worst.

Tough call between Mengele and Himmler, but Himmler's overall influence was a lot greater, so I vote for him.

I vote for Himmler.

For the record, I voted for Mengele.

Winifred Wagner and Magda Goebbels

Winifred Wagner and Magda Goebbels

Who and who?

:confused:

Whispering Legs and Swimmingpool, please elaborate. Neither of those names sound familiar.

Reinhard Heydrich was a high-up SS officer one of the organisers of the Holocaust. He was known as the "butcher of Prague". He died in 1942, though.

Adolf Eichmann was the guy the Israelis kidnapped in South America in the 60's (or late 50's?). Again involved in the holocaust.

Reinhard Heydrich was a high-up SS officer one of the organisers of the Holocaust. He was known as the "butcher of Prague". He died in 1942, though.

Adolf Eichmann was the guy the Israelis kidnapped in South America in the 60's (or late 50's?). Again involved in the holocaust.

Thanks, Kanabia. :)

Damn, I wish Heydrich and Eichmann were still alive, so I could pound the snot out of him.

I voted for Himmler for his sheer influence with the Holocaust, and his influence over the SS, linking him to their atrocities in the USSR. Though Eichmann would come a close second.

RB, not sure why Hess was down there. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he particularly did anything before he flew to England and got captured. From my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he was the Fuhrers deputy, and didnt do anything really evil - expect of course, join the Nazis and become powerful, which I guess isnt really that evil.

Who and who?

:confused:

Magda Goebbels was the wife of Joseph Goebbels, who was a very close friend of Hitler and the Reich's propaganda minister.

Winifred Wagner...a relation to Richard Wagner, the composer? :confused:

I voted for Himmler for his sheer influence with the Holocaust, and his influence over the SS, linking him to their atrocities in the USSR. Though Eichmann would come a close second.

RB, not sure why Hess was down there. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he particularly did anything before he flew to England and got captured. From my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he was the Fuhrers deputy, and didnt do anything really evil - expect of course, join the Nazis and become powerful, which I guess isnt really that evil.

I wasn't sure what Hess did, but he was one of the only top Nazis whose name I remembered.

I wasn't sure what Hess did, but he was one of the only top Nazis whose name I remembered.

Ah, I see now. Well, for personal interest - anyone here know if Hess did anything 'evil', or was he just Deputy Leader?

Reinhard Heydrich was a high-up SS officer one of the organisers of the Holocaust. He was known as the "butcher of Prague". He died in 1942, though.

Adolf Eichmann was the guy the Israelis kidnapped in South America in the 60's (or late 50's?). Again involved in the holocaust.

Heydrich ran the Wannsee Conference as a foregone conclusion - he was essentially the idea man behind the Final Solution, and rammed the whole plan through the conference.

There's a great movie with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich, and they recreate the conference using the original notes from the conference.

Frightening.

Thanks, Kanabia. :)

Damn, I wish Heydrich and Eichmann were still alive, so I could pound the snot out of him.

No problem :)

Hm. I think they got their just desserts as it were - Heydrich was assassinated, and Eichmann was sentenced to death - in an Israeli court.


RB, not sure why Hess was down there. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he particularly did anything before he flew to England and got captured. From my admittedly limited knowledge of him, he was the Fuhrers deputy, and didnt do anything really evil - expect of course, join the Nazis and become powerful, which I guess isnt really that evil.

mmm. I don't think he was all that evil; just a complete nutcase.

NHm. I think they got their just desserts as it were - Heydrich was assassinated, and Eichmann was sentenced to death - in an Israeli court.

Good riddance!

Ah, I see now. Well, for personal interest - anyone here know if Hess did anything 'evil', or was he just Deputy Leader?

Well, I know he was heavily interested in spiritual medicine and the like...

His defection to Britain was on the advice of a mystic of some sort.

Doesn't really count as evil though :p

Whispering Legs and Swimmingpool, please elaborate. Neither of those names sound familiar.
Adolf Eichmann (March 19, 1906 – June 1, 1962) was a high-ranking official in Nazi Germany and served as an Obersturmbannführer in the S.S. He was largely responsible for the logistics of the extermination of millions of people during the Holocaust, in particular Jews, which was called the "final solution" (Endlösung). He organized the identification and transportation of people to the various concentration camps. Therefore, he is often referred to as the 'Chief Executioner' of the Third Reich.

Adolf Eichmann (March 19, 1906 – June 1, 1962) was a high-ranking official in Nazi Germany and served as an Obersturmbannführer in the S.S. He was largely responsible for the logistics of the extermination of millions of people during the Holocaust, in particular Jews, which was called the "final solution" (Endlösung). He organized the identification and transportation of people to the various concentration camps. Therefore, he is often referred to as the 'Chief Executioner' of the Third Reich.

What a fucking bastard. :mad:

What a fucking bastard. :mad:

Go here to see the man who thought of it all.

Here's the notes from his meeting:
http://www.prorev.com/wannsee.htm

No one's said Roß yet?

No one's said Roß yet?

Who was he?

What a fucking bastard. :mad:

Strangely enough though, I think it was Eichmann who was originally against violent measures. As Gauleiter of Austria, he helped many Austrian and Czech Jews emigrate before the war broke out. If it indeed was the same man, I could be wrong....

i voted himmler because he was the architect of the holocaust . To me the most evil nazis are those modern day ones that deny the holocaust ever happened and perpetuate these sickening beliefs.

Thanks, Kanabia. :)

Damn, I wish Heydrich and Eichmann were still alive, so I could pound the snot out of him.

Heydrich was killed by secret agents if I remember rightly. He would travel through town, unescorted in an open car thinking that no one in Czechoslovakia would have the guts to attack him. As 'punishment' for his death, Hitler ordered the destruction of one, and later another village in which every male over the age of 14 was killed and the village destroyed. I think it was then ordered that the village names be removed from all maps.

At least I think that was him.

von Schirach ran Austria (after he turned the Hitler Youth over to Axmann).

Aparantly, several SS officials tried to broker deals to get groups of Jews out in exchange for something.

Heydrich was killed by secret agents if I remember rightly. He would travel through town, unescorted in an open car thinking that no one in Czechoslovakia would have the guts to attack him. As 'punishment' for his death, Hitler ordered the destruction of one, and later another village in which every male over the age of 14 was killed and the village destroyed. I think it was then ordered that the village names be removed from all maps.

At least I think that was him.

Yep, that's him.

Heydrich was killed by secret agents if I remember rightly. He would travel through town, unescorted in an open car thinking that no one in Czechoslovakia would have the guts to attack him. As 'punishment' for his death, Hitler ordered the destruction of one, and later another village in which every male over the age of 14 was killed and the village destroyed. I think it was then ordered that the village names be removed from all maps.

At least I think that was him.

the removal of names -- how Egyptian.

Heydrich ran the Wannsee Conference as a foregone conclusion - he was essentially the idea man behind the Final Solution, and rammed the whole plan through the conference.

There's a great movie with Kenneth Branagh as Heydrich, and they recreate the conference using the original notes from the conference.

Frightening.


Saw that and agree on Heydrich. It was like a board meeting. They knew how to put everything in order.

(Kenneth Branagh also played Shackleton in the story of the Endurance. If you havent seen it yet, its a must-see. Great story. He is a good actor.)

I cant change my vote, but just read a little something on Mengele- some of his practices and experiments.

These men were all treacherous pieces of shit. "F" em all.

Winifred Wagner and Magda Goebbels

NOOOO! THE WAGNER FAMILY WAS INNOCENT! NOT NAZIS! DAMN HISTORY CHANNEL!

NOOOO! THE WAGNER FAMILY WAS INNOCENT! NOT NAZIS! DAMN HISTORY CHANNEL!

I dunno....whenever I hear "Ride of the Valkyries" I feel like invading Poland.

Himmler. No explanation necessary.

I dunno....whenever I hear "Ride of the Valkyries" I feel like invading Poland.

Well, whenever I hear "No Reservations" by Husker Du, I wanna overdose on painkillers.

...Wait a minute...

>.>

I dunno....whenever I hear "Ride of the Valkyries" I feel like invading Poland.

Damn woody allen

You forgot Albert Speer, the 'the first architect of the Third Reich', who was Hitler's chief architect in Nazi Germany and became in 1942 Minister of Armament in Hitler's cabinet, which prolonged the war for another 2-3 years.

I honestly believe that the Nazis were not as evil as everyone makes them out to be. All they wanted to do was get their ocuntry out of the crippled position that the depression ad the Treaty of Versailles put them in.

Heydrich, without a doubt.

Good choice

I honestly believe that the Nazis were not as evil as everyone makes them out to be. All they wanted to do was get their ocuntry out of the crippled position that the depression ad the Treaty of Versailles put them in.

Yeah, and exterminate the Jews, exterminate the Russians, control everybody with an iron fist, and eventually conquer the world.

Nah, they're definitely really good guys. :rolleyes:

You forgot Albert Speer, the 'the first architect of the Third Reich', who was Hitler's chief architect in Nazi Germany and became in 1942 Minister of Armament in Hitler's cabinet, which prolonged the war for another 2-3 years.

Um im sorry but the nazis had no choice but to keep fightring because churchill and FDR decided that they would only accept an uncondidtional surrender form Germany. So it was an all or nothing fight for Germany

I vote for the pope!

I vote for the pope!

Yes... because the Pope was a high-ranking member of the Nazis*sarcastic*. I know he WAS a Nazi.

Josef Megele. Come on, he inspired "Angel of Death" by Slayer. :rolleyes:

This quiz is terrible, evil is not competetive. You talk about mass murderers in the same way as you would talk about footballers; who scored the most goals, but what about that hattrick in the world cup final - but he prolonged the war the most, who killed the most Jews?...

Anyone who knowingly participated in the holocaust to any extent is entirely evil regardless of whatever else they did. No ranking system, just straight to hell.

Yeah, and exterminate the Jews, exterminate the Russians, control everybody with an iron fist, and eventually conquer the world.

Nah, they're definitely really good guys. :rolleyes:

Alright, there leaders were really evil and really good at propaganda. But they did not want to exterminate the russians. They wanted to stamp out communism, which i am pretty sure every americna wanted to do during the cold war. Also im pretty sure everywhere in Europe people had negative feelings toward jewish people and Nazi Germany took it too far. Im not condoning waht they did. However as far as brinign germany back to a place where they could stand they did a really good job.

Um im sorry but the nazis had no choice but to keep fightring because churchill and FDR decided that they would only accept an uncondidtional surrender form Germany. So it was an all or nothing fight for Germany
And as Speer made that possible, overlooking and even increasing production, your statement doesn't contradict what I have stated.

@ WoodfordGreen: Yes, you're right on that.

I honestly believe that the Nazis were not as evil as everyone makes them out to be. All they wanted to do was get their ocuntry out of the crippled position that the depression ad the Treaty of Versailles put them in.

Tell that to the Millions of murdered Jews, Communists, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Foreigners, and Undesireables that they killed in the name of progress. I can't believe anyone could say something so insensitive and foolish. Adolph Hitler in my opinion is the image that all people should look to compare with Evil. His idealology of hatred and bitterness was the most terrible thing to hit the 20th century.

Goebbels, he was like a portable Hitler.

Josef Megele. Come on, he inspired "Angel of Death" by Slayer. :rolleyes:
Now that is a good song.

*rocks out*

*random drum solo*

*rocks out*

I invoke Godwin's Law! :p

However as far as brinign germany back to a place where they could stand they did a really good job.

Well, yes. They managed to bring unemployment levels to an incredibly low level. Never mind that they did this by 1) Short-term labour projects (eg the Autobahns) and 2) Declaring that women and Jews weren't allowed to be employed and thus didn't count as unemployed on their figures.

If only we'd stood up to them the first time they tried invading a demilitarized zone... was it the Rhineland or Alcase-Lorraine? Whichever it was, it was the start of their conquests... and they had orders to pull back if we resisted.

We didn't. The rest, as they say, is history.

I invoke Godwin's Law!

So if the originator of the thread loses the debate, does that mean that none of them were evil?

The paradox boggles the mind.

(Yeah, yeah, I know you were joking. Shh)

Oskar Dirlewanger.

Giving orders and being remotely the cause of actions doesn't really denote to me a evil inclined individual as much as someone who is personally a sadist & pedophile. This one particularly who was imprisoned by the Nazi government, that is, before they needed his experience as a military leader to lead Nazi-imprisoned criminals as extra forces for on site extermination squads.

How about Bush?

I vote for the pope!
I don't think that Ratzinger can be legitimately called a Nazi. He was only a Nazi because at the time you would probably be shot if you weren't.

Oskar Dirlewanger.


I totally agree.

The actions taken by the inner circle of the NSDAP and the SS came from a political/racial ideology. However much you disagree with their reasons at least in their minds they did what they did for a purpose. I'm not trying to justify what they did but it puts them a step above Dirlewanger and his ilk. Those "men" were nothing short of monsters. As German officer who fought against the 1944 Warsaw uprising said about the SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger in a report to Hitler "These men are real scoundrals".

On another note I can't believe you put Rudolf Hess on that poll. Of the leaders of the ALL the major powers in World War Two he has the least blood on his hands. He risked his life for peace and they gave him 46 years in prison for it.

I say Eichman. He wasn't realy part of the National Socialist Workers party, so he technically wasn't a Nazi, but he made it possible for them to do the things that they did.

How about Bush?

He's anything but a Nation Socialist Worker. He's more of an Imperialist Conservative Rich-Boy. But as far as Icri's go, he's the most evil.

Mengele, that is, if he is who I think he is. I'm not sure if he's the one who did the human experimentation on prisoners (Jews, communists, gypsies etc.). For example, German pilots were getting shot down over icy waters, so he designed a bunch of suits for these occasions, outfitted captives with them, threw them in icy water, and recorded which one lived the longest. Just what I can think of right now, but he did some horrible things.

The Pope was not a Nazi. He was in the German military, but he was not a Nazi, at least not by choice. If I remember correctly, German law at that time said a boy had to either join the Hitler Youth or go to a concentration camp.

Mengele, probably for the reason that he was hands on with his evil, while most of the high ranking Nazis sat at a desk thinking of the most efficient way to kill Jews.

Mengele. He was another one of those completely sadistic people who did his deeds not for the Nazi ideology, which at least had skewed but viable goals for Germany, but for his own pleasure - I refues to place his actions in the realm of science and medicine because of his disregard for the ethics ingrained [sp?] in both those fields. What he did, particularly to children, was horrid beyond belief - not just killing but torturing men and women, young and old alike, all under the false pretext of medical advancement. He achieved no breakthoughs, no advances, no gain whatsoever, despite all the suffering he caused. Mengele has few equals in terms of sheer senseless violence.

Reinhard Heydrich. He answered the "Jewish Question", as it is known, giving way to the concentration camps and gas chambers of World War II. He was the only Nazi the allies thought was dangerous enough that they had to assassinate him.

Hard to say, Nazi Germany was akin to the sociopath freak show/circus.


I think im going to have to go with Reinhard Heydrich or, the butcher of Prague.

Not only did he trump up charges against one of the Nazi’s top Generals after said general accused him of “Being a Jew” several years before hand, he single handedly managed to outset everyone one above his political office in Czechoslovakia, one after the other, until he was governor.

He referred to them as “My Little Checks”

I don’t know… pretty far up on this list too…So is Rudolf Hess and Adolf Eichmann, Heinrich Himmler, and Josef Mengele

Mengele. He was another one of those completely sadistic people who did his deeds not for the Nazi ideology, which at least had skewed but viable goals for Germany, but for his own pleasure - I refues to place his actions in the realm of science and medicine because of his disregard for the ethics ingrained [sp?] in both those fields. What he did, particularly to children, was horrid beyond belief - not just killing but torturing men and women, young and old alike, all under the false pretext of medical advancement. He achieved no breakthoughs, no advances, no gain whatsoever, despite all the suffering he caused. Mengele has few equals in terms of sheer senseless violence.

While I will not, ever, in any way shape or form, even attempt to disagree with your point that Mengele was an evil, vile, sadist. I don’t think its quite fair to say we didn’t learn anything medically from him.

Not that he did anything for the bettering of medical technology, anything he documented in his studies, while maybe not vital to the medical community, is still medical information that could be used to benefit humans in some way shape or from…which most likely has Mengele spinning in his grave….to think of it…helping people….God forbid![/sarcasm]

Rudolf Höß

It is Rudolf Hess,not "Höss" (yep, "ss" is also OK in gramar)you US fool.

You forget the some top 10 because if your Ignorance.

Bormann (party secretar, even anti minorities before WWI)
Kaminsky (the guy of the brigade named after him, East front)
Heydrich (yep, we know him)
(Mengele is btw a loser in this list).
Eichmann (your US Zionist terrorist-friends in Palistine whil mostly agree about this guy that they hanged later).
Rosenberg (the anti Jew idealogist, a real influancial guy/minister/ideologist)
Dirlewanger (SS polizei Division leader, specialsist in "sonderaktionen")

The list is long but the initial one is wrong and the standards that are used to make such a list are discutable..

BTW it is a bit stupid to ad fat Goering here since he saved lots of jews, allthough a Nazi, (peolple knowed via friends, actors, musicians aso.) in the 3th Reich. (inform yourselfs, it is widespread).

Stupid question for uninformed people. Just google or go to WWII sites and you will find much better informed answers then here.

I vote for none of the above, as I do not see anything wrong with what the NSDAP did during WWII.

Mengele-Angel of Death
so very unethical

*and for those of you who feel it is "cool" to belittle others' opinions because you are a history buff, you can shove it*

I say Eichman. He wasn't realy part of the National Socialist Workers party, so he technically wasn't a Nazi, but he made it possible for them to do the things that they did.



He's anything but a Nation Socialist Worker. He's more of an Imperialist Conservative Rich-Boy. But as far as Icri's go, he's the most evil.
Ahem. Get it right. It's hegemonist, not imperialist.

*and for those of you who feel it is "cool" to belittle others' opinions because you are a history buff, you can shove it*

Must be hard to envie other peoples knowledge. Just read and study (years) you also can reach the allumni levell. Don't be affraid of knowledge. :) BTW try harder with provocations.

Beate paupere spiritu est.

Must be hard to envie other peoples knowledge. Just read and study (years) you also can reach the allumni levell. Don't be affraid of knowledge. :) BTW try harder with provocations.

Beate paupere spiritu est.

I'm not afraid of knowledge...I'm just not specialized in history...my major is Psychology and Neuroscience...I just try not to make others that don't know as much about it feel dumb...I'll provide information, but not call them "US fools" and the like

It is Rudolf Hess,not "Höss" (yep, "ss" is also OK in gramar)you US fool.


I think he was referring to Rudolf Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz, seeing as how Rudolf Hess is already on the list. A good tip for the future, it generally isn't smart to call someone a fool while you're in the process of making a fool of yourself.

Reinhard Heydrich. He answered the "Jewish Question", as it is known, giving way to the concentration camps and gas chambers of World War II. He was the only Nazi the allies thought was dangerous enough that they had to assassinate him.

I strongly agree... his staff drafted the Wannassee Protocol, which made into the policy the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem. Damned competent, amoral, certainly brilliant (he spoke several languages). Ruthlessly ambitious as well. He would have taken care of all of them if he had survived the end of the war and Nazi Germany had too. Only Goering (when sober and paying attention) and Himmler had his degree of ruthless competence (and not always). He would have survived in a victorious Nazi Germany and killed the lot to take power himself.

Too bad Lidice and a hell of a lot of Czechs were murdered to avenge him. Not sure that was worth the price, and the Allies weren't either.

I invoke Godwin's Law! :p
The original Godwin's Law only said that there would eventually be a Nazi comparisons. There were no actual comparisons, so you lose for invoking Godwin's Law where it doesn't apply. :D

I think he was referring to Rudolf Hoess the commandant of Auschwitz, seeing as how Rudolf Hess is already on the list. A good tip for the future, it generally isn't smart to call someone a fool while you're in the process of making a fool of yourself.
Says who? Hoess is not "Höss"! you you gave proof to be a total ignorant about WWII for getting this Lagercommandand in a top 10. Read a book and come back in a few years.

A good trip for the future, learn reading. Buy some books and then come back for advise, kiddo.

I vote for the pope!
He's not a Nazi, he's just Emperor Palpatine.

I'm not afraid of knowledge...I'm just not specialized in history...my major is Psychology and Neuroscience...I just try not to make others that don't know as much about it feel dumb...I'll provide information, but not call them "US fools" and the like

I excuse myself to you. I was wrong.
Thought you belonged to the ignorant Rummy extremist (allover) here.
Sorry again, way out of the line of me, towards a decent poster.

Regards

Says who? Hoess is not "Höss"! you you gave proof to be a total ignorant about WWII for getting this Lagercommandand in a top 10. Read a book and come back in a few years.

A good trip for the future, learn reading. Buy some books and then come back for advise, kiddo.

Nor is Hess the same as 'Höss.' In fact, phonetically Höss is pronounced almost the same as Hoess (assuming that the 'oe' is taken as a diphthong and not as separate letters, of course), whereas Hess is quite dissimilar to Höss, as far as phonetics go.

Also, you may want to consider that while some people look simply at the sheer number of atrocities comitted - directly or indirectly - by these men, some look at the rationale behind those atrocities. Mistaken or disillusioned people may commit murder or other atrocities, but only those who do so in a rational mindset, who are able to see the moral implications of their actions and disregard them, can truly be considered 'evil' - at least by my standards.

As there is no empirical formula for evil, you have only succeeded in flaming people for their personal beliefs, reducing this thread to the level of the “You’re wrong, ” “No, I think your wrong, ” “Nuh-uhh” “Uhh-Huhnn” “You suck, ” “No you suck, ” “Well my dad says you’re wrong, ” “Well I hate you,” bantering that ruins what would otherwise be friendly discussions. While you may be more learned and better versed in the history of the National Socialist German Workers Party, you still cannot disagree with opinion and preference, and that is exactly what is being presented in this thread.

So please, take your books, throw them in the garbage, and burn them. While that information can be used to persuade, it cannot be used to prove an opinion. Therefore, on principle alone, you are wrong. (Not your opinions, they’re all great and insightful. Just your incessant bitching about people misspelling a name and disagreeing with you.)

Good day, and good riddance.

:rolleyes:

you you gave proof to be a total ignorant about WWII for getting this Lagercommandand in a top 10

Well since I didn't make this poll nor have I voted in it I fail to see the point in flaming me for putting him in the the top 10.

Well since I didn't make this poll nor have I voted in it I fail to see the point in flaming me for putting him in the the top 10.

Just let it go and accept that he's being a jerk. It's just the way he gets for about a week every month, 'ya know? ;)

I dunno....whenever I hear "Ride of the Valkyries" I feel like invading Poland.

Not Vietnam? Go watch Apocalypse Now! now!

Well, yes. They managed to bring unemployment levels to an incredibly low level. Never mind that they did this by 1) Short-term labour projects (eg the Autobahns) and 2) Declaring that women and Jews weren't allowed to be employed and thus didn't count as unemployed on their figures.

You lie. Women were allowed to be employed.

You lie. Women were allowed to be employed.

a more appropriate way to put that would be "your wrong, women were allowed to be employed"

which is true... families continue to employ a very large number of domestic servants, many of them young German women, throughout much of the war, and a lot of women also served alongside the men in the Flak defenses around the cities, along with other duties such as clerical and nursing roles.

Hitler wanted to keep the women happy, he even allowed substantial production of household goods during the war including makeup etc.

But Germany failed to mobilize women into production work like the Allies did, they used a lot of slave labor instead.